| thp | of ClutterActor objects | 00:02 |
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| thp | the window rotation is a little bit more complicated, as it involves an animation (timeline) | 00:03 |
| lardman | hmm, I never realised quite the functionality possible with .install files | 00:09 |
| ZogG | thp, so what is popup updates you wanna do? | 00:09 |
| lardman | it will require bastardising the Ubuntu apt: uri, so I'm not sure whether to just start afresh | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | well | 00:09 |
| lardman | hole in the ground? | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | thp, it needs work, but... http://i52.tinypic.com/2s7cfpw.jpg | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | scrolling is still up/down though | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | tbh, I find it better if we could rotate in the same way windows are rotated | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | as in, change res to 480x800 | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | change mouse pointer direction, etc | 00:12 |
| thp | MohammadAG: nice start :) | 00:12 |
| lcuk | look at the rotated branch | 00:12 |
| lcuk | that is already done MohammadAG | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | kalfa | 00:13 |
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| thp | lcuk: what's the repo url again? | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | git://gitorious.org/~kalfa/fremantle-hildon-desktop/kalfa-hildon-desktop.git | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | -> http://maemo.gitorious.org/~kalfa/fremantle-hildon-desktop/kalfa-hildon-desktop | 00:15 |
| thp | can we rebase kalfa on top of cssu or are there merge conflicts? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | thp it was fairly recent, it should be possible to look at a straight merge to test | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | cherry picking might do well here | 00:16 |
| lcuk | but you will only know to try it | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | it's actually two versions old from upstream 142 | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | (140) | 00:16 |
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| MohammadAG | 139 is the portrait branch | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Scrolling along the short axis would be quite cool in the portrait launcher, tbh | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | err wtf | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | why were kalfa's patches dumped | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | oh heh | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | my phone rebooted | 00:24 |
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| thp | too many kills of h-d there? | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | no, battery ran out (bme was stopped) | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | killing h-d doesn't kill my device, R&D mode :p | 00:27 |
| thp | oh, yeah | 00:27 |
| thp | it looks like kalfa's portrait launcher was introduced before the editable launcher? | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | this is actually cool | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | why? | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | edit works fine | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't rotate though | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | if only the task nav can be rotated now | 00:29 |
| thp | MohammadAG: can you push that merged thing to the cssu repo? | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | as you can see, the background rotates, so it's still landscape even in portrait | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | thp, hmm? | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | the merge request? | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Eh? How does the background work? It stays the same way (in relation to the device)? i.e. if it was a photo, the person would be on their side? | 00:30 |
| thp | you merged kalfa's portrait launcher branch locally or did you just build that branch? | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa the background stays the same | 00:30 |
| thp | screenshot! ;) | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | sure, when tracker remembers it has to list images :p | 00:31 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Cool. I have abstract backgrounds anyway | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | http://i53.tinypic.com/amp2c0.jpg | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/264tgmp.jpg <- landscape | 00:33 |
| Jaffa | Photo! | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | (second screenshot is not kalfa's) | 00:33 |
| Jaffa | Isn't that showing fewer columns? | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 00:33 |
| thp | nice one :) | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | 3 | 00:33 |
| Jaffa | Intentional? | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | of course :p | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | 5 won't fit | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | "won't fit" where? | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | <Jaffa> Isn't that showing fewer columns? <-- second screenshot? | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | Yes | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | that was me mucking around with h-d | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/i55f9f.jpg Jaffa | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | Cramped ;-) | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | Cool stuff with the portrait | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | cramped indeed, but I know someone who likes it like that :p | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | well, if the labels were fixed | 00:35 |
| * MohammadAG shuts down laptop | 00:35 | |
| Jaffa | Task manager doable using same approach? | 00:35 |
| thp | MohammadAG: does that merge cleanly into cssu HEAD? | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | thp, very doubtful | 00:35 |
| thp | so you just built the kalfa branch without the cssu stuff I assume? | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 00:36 |
| thp | i'll try a merge | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | it's 12:36, can't think about stuff :p | 00:36 |
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| MohammadAG | thp | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | I have a concept for orientation lock | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | but it needs gconf, transitions.ini isn't ideal | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | Ooh. Status menu? Power menu best probably? | 00:40 |
| thp | 23:40 here ;) | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | a status bar applet | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | well, either | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | they'd change the gconf value | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | and in the same way your forced rotation patch works (always returns TRUE iirc) | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Status bar applet with 3 buttons: auto, lock portrait (if supported), lock landscape (if supported) | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | if the gconf value is set to true, then always return FALSE | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | Trouble is an orientation lock shouldn't work the same as the force rotation patch (as it currently stands) | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | well, landscape lock at first should be easy | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | True. I might want to lock my device into portrait when browsing the web lying down in bed. | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | actually, for landscape, it should | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | true, but that's harder to implement | 00:42 |
| * Jaffa had an idea for orientation sensor which went off face sensor rather than accelerometer. | 00:42 | |
| Jaffa | True | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | you're checking for the portrait flag, and the gconf value | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | and that's probably easier said than done | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Not *that* hard (unless we're also checking the portrait flag, the gconf value and the whitelist of apps to force) | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | well, yeah | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Probably not if the existing code checks the flag | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | landscape forcing should be easy though | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | all apps support landscape | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | Yeah. Step 1 :-) | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | so, thp, what do you think? | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | it'd need to check if the value is true, if true, return FALSE for portraitable | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: From an architecture pov it sounds good, assuming the code in question can get to gconf nicely at that point (and without a penalty of going through dbus or something to get the gconf value) | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, gconf is nice | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | gconf_value_get_int(key) is all that's needed | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | afaik | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | There's a get_bool | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | Although you want 3 values ultimately | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | gconf_value_get_int(gconf_client ,key) is all that's needed | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | well, int might work better, more future proof | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | unless we want to lock the current state | 00:46 |
| thp | what's the key and the possible values and their meaning? | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | Ooh. bit mask. | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | Bits 0-1 indicate whether: auto, landscape, portrait | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | Bit 2 indicates whether force rotation ignoring flag | 00:47 |
| thp | turns out the "-nc" flag to dpkg-buildpackage will save me some time from now on.. doh! | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | or 0 default, 1 landscape, 2 portrait | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | Status bar menu would set values 0, 1, 2. | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | thp, I always use it :P | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | thp, how many cores does your device have? | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | Hardcore hackers/modders could set third bit manually | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | And the forcerotation goes from transitions.ini. | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | Or should transitions.ini be kept? | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | no | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | it should be kept | 00:48 |
| thp | MohammadAG: 2, but the sdk is running inside virtualbox | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | as it is, no reason to get rid of it | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | i always export MAKE="make -j 2" | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Just thinking of the return condition; but could have an early-exit "if" | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | well, 4 here | 00:48 |
| thp | let's see if that merged branch builds now.. | 00:48 |
| thp | yay :) | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | yay = built? | 00:49 |
| thp | yes | 00:49 |
| thp | nice! | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | you could tie it to forcerotation | 00:49 |
| * Jaffa wants to - but won't have time this weekend - to look at making forcerotation use the whitelist, as discussed | 00:49 | |
| thp | is there a whitelist already? | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | Cos then it can default to on, as long as the whitelist is relatively conservative | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | thp: No, meant implement one ;-) | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | Battery dying. | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | G'night | 00:50 |
| thp | Jaffa: night | 00:51 |
| thp | man, that portrait launcher is hot | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | indeed :) | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | all that's left is a portrait task launcher | 00:52 |
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| MohammadAG | err, manager | 00:52 |
| Jaffa | And hildon-home ;-) | 00:52 |
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| Jaffa | Big leap to be able to stay in portrait, tho | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 00:53 |
| thp | too bad task switcher sits between launcher and apps | 00:53 |
| psycho_oreos | especially when it comes to calling | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-home is just a container | 00:53 |
| thp | portrait launcher -> portrait apps already works without rerotation | 00:53 |
| * lardman has written a new install format for barcodes, I guess I should write a script to convert an existing .install file into a string to be pasted into a barcode generation site | 00:53 | |
| thp | merged here: http://gitorious.org/~thp/community-ssu/thps-hildon-desktop | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | thp, only gtk ones | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | fapman goes to landscape then portrait | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | a portrait task man would solve it | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder where kalfa is | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Webpage too (paste content or URL), spits out new URL and QR code (using the existing services) | 00:56 |
| lardman | yeah, I'll have to work on that bit ;) | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | tbh, if I was coding it lardman | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | I'd just make a .install file in /tmp and launch that | 00:57 |
| lardman | yes, well that is what I do | 00:58 |
| lardman | but it's a question of how to encode the .install file in a barcode | 00:58 |
| lardman | as encoding the whole thing is quite wasteful and generates large barcodes | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | encode the apt sources.list line? | 00:58 |
| lardman | that is also not ideal | 00:59 |
| lardman | some repos are often present | 00:59 |
| lardman | and also that isn't the way the .install files work | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | ham ignores them | 00:59 |
| lardman | install files can contain multiple repos and packages to be installed | 01:00 |
| lardman | and they also give a name for the repo | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | well | 01:01 |
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| MohammadAG | i'd just parse the sources.list line | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | after first " " = url | 01:01 |
| lardman | I thought it would also be easier to just convert existing .install files as they are, without needing to split things up (though I don;t know how much the install file features are actually used) | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | second, distro iirc | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | etc | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | then encode the name before deb | 01:02 |
| lardman | that means the user either has to encode the entire repo name (even for e.g. extras) or I have to talk to apt directly | 01:02 |
| lardman | s/name/uri | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | encode the name | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, gotta sleep | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | night :) | 01:03 |
| lardman | night :) | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | also, lardman | 01:04 |
| thp | see ya MohammadAG | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | you said gstreamer can do gapless playback, right? | 01:04 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: yes | 01:04 |
| lardman | though there are caveats of course | 01:04 |
| lardman | depends on playbin implementation | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | I'll poke around mafw's source then, should be able to get it working in stock mediaplayer | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | mafw's fully open source | 01:05 |
| lardman | I guess it ought to work as the decoding is on the CPU | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | I'll have a look tomorrow | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | again, night :) | 01:05 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: ping me and I'll dig out the links | 01:05 |
| lardman | night night | 01:06 |
| thp | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/6 | 01:11 |
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| thp | http://youtu.be/1w2khe3zqwM | 01:44 |
| arcean | thp: nice! ;) | 01:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | if that sort of rotation was enabled globally, it might even catch apple fans' attention | 01:49 |
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| wmarone | psycho_oreos: if the blanking could be resolved, maybe. if the RDF isn't too strong. | 01:53 |
| psycho_oreos | wmarone, well at least for starters the rotation seems to be faster than the originally supplied rotation which was really slow in its own ways.. slow and laggy. | 01:55 |
| wmarone | no argument there | 01:56 |
| wmarone | but it was designed to ride out the blanking that occurs | 01:56 |
| wmarone | that and I suppose it wouldn't hurt for gtk to be double buffered, would resolve the visible gui redraw | 01:58 |
| wmarone | I suspect that would take even more work | 01:58 |
| psycho_oreos | heh I wouldn't know the specifics of what causes the blanking however I'm sure many n900 owners have had gripes with that, notably when demanding n900 to also act as a phone (which on many occasions beforehand was noted that the phone functionality was an addon) | 01:59 |
| wmarone | right | 02:00 |
| wmarone | though, imo, the phone UI should not switch dynamically during a call | 02:00 |
| wmarone | not that we can fix that one | 02:00 |
| psycho_oreos | well not as yet :D | 02:01 |
| wmarone | the blanking isn't a problem there, it's the wobble between portrait and landscape, which wouldn't work even without the blank | 02:01 |
| wmarone | indeed, I suspect that will be replaced before long :) | 02:01 |
| psycho_oreos | well notably if blanking wasn't such a big issue under making/receiving phone calls, iirc titan did note that the CPU was underclocked to 250MHz | 02:04 |
| wmarone | which isn't a huge problem | 02:05 |
| wmarone | the usability problem stems from the fact that the display blanks during a rotate immediately after activating the screen due to the proximity sensor | 02:06 |
| wmarone | then people chase it back and forth | 02:06 |
| psycho_oreos | nope but then again it might be of something noteworthy that somewhere along the line it may have been the cause | 02:06 |
| wmarone | running at 500mhz wouldn't help it any, since it's not -slow-, just erratic | 02:07 |
| wmarone | if it were locked into portrait (or landscape, by user preference) during a call, there wouldn't be an issue | 02:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | indeed however the app seems wanting to change as per user's preferences. Although I didn't make any mentioning of how running at 500MHz would be slow, if the phone app makes the CPU to be clocked at 250MHz and blanking doesn't seem to be an issue there however when running normal applications that usually depends the CPU to be above the speeds of 250MHz but then the blanking is more evident. Doesn't that tells one there might be something potentially | 02:09 |
| psycho_oreos | happening? :) | 02:09 |
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| wmarone | The app isn't changing due to user preferences, it's usually behaving according to the "Automatic" setting in display orientation. | 02:12 |
| wmarone | the problem comes in when the display is rotated and has that momentary blank immediately following activation of the screen | 02:13 |
| wmarone | resolving the blank would improve the smoothness of operation, and locking the phone rotation UI (and getting rid of the "automatic" setting) would solve the issue | 02:14 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm | 02:14 |
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| zimmski | Hi! I have question regarding the CSSU install. How do I check if everything updated successfully? For example I configured blurless=1 in the transition.ini and restarted my n900 but it still is blurry. | 02:19 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, sure about that latest merge request? | 07:21 |
| MohammadAG | s/latest/last/ | 07:21 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: what do you mean with "sure"? ;) | 11:30 |
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| Kaptenen | It looks like the next update will be awesome... :) | 13:00 |
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| Jaffa | thp: a quick look showed a *lot* of files being changed. | 13:51 |
| * Jaffa is sure mardy would have something to say ;-) | 13:52 | |
| psycho_oreos | time will tell ;) | 13:56 |
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| MohammadAG_ | thp, it's including old commits again | 14:58 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: which old commits? | 17:06 |
| thp | Jaffa: yes, that's the merged branch. it's separate commits, though (gitorious just shows a single diff for a single merge request | 17:07 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, I'm not home, but looking at the merge request, it has stuff that's already there | 19:26 |
| mirr0r | MohammadAG, you are doing very nice work for the community.. Of course all the others too.. Thanks | 19:27 |
| thp | MohammadAG: what's already there? | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | thp, mind linking me to the merge request? on the N900 :p | 19:29 |
| thp | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/6 | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | thp postinst is one | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | debian/rules | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | those are matan's patches | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not planning to reapply them :p | 19:34 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: haven't you applied them already? | 20:18 |
| thp | if so, merging the branch won't redo the same thing twice, it will just work | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, patch is a nice clever little tool | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | patch? this is git :p | 21:29 |
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