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| MohammadAG | thp, patch merged | 00:42 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, what's the appmenu pattern for? | 00:42 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: for animating the sys menu and application menu (slightly different from the dialog pattern) | 02:03 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, ping | 02:27 |
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| Sc0rpius | libvte4: Depends: libvte-common (= 1:0.16.14-0mh9.m5) but 1:0.16.14-0mh9.m6 is to be installed | 03:09 |
| Sc0rpius | now that's a problem it should be >= | 03:09 |
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| Sc0rpius | Depends: osso-applet-display (>= 1.5.4+0cssu1) but it is not installable | 03:27 |
| Sc0rpius | :( | 03:27 |
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| SpacedOut | MohammadAG: I just sent a merge request for modest, two trivial compile fixes. I'm actually looking into the idle support, and have it working, but I'm working on the select instead of polling every 1/2 second, so hopefully there will be more patches coming. | 05:19 |
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| Sc0rpius | compile fixes_ | 05:54 |
| Sc0rpius | ? | 05:54 |
| Sc0rpius | lemme check that | 05:54 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 05:55 |
| Sc0rpius | the first one was my mistake, the next_message(self) thing | 05:56 |
| Sc0rpius | and the second one, was kinda my mistake too, but we actually rea | 05:56 |
| Sc0rpius | reapplied a commit that was reverse | 05:56 |
| Sc0rpius | the IDLE support works, but drains battery heavily, that's why it has to be implemented very carefully. The support is in tinymail already | 05:57 |
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| SpacedOut | Sc0rpius: That's the part I'm working on. I have the idle select patch from three years ago by Philip Van Hoof applied, it's currently blowing up, but I haven't yet looked into the details, that's next. | 06:18 |
| SpacedOut | I'm actually running the tinymail with IDLE enabled (minus select patch), and the battery usage is fine. That's because idle support is only active when you're in a mailbox and I assume only that mailbox. I'm just making sure to not leave it in a mailbox :) | 06:20 |
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| Sc0rpius | nice, man | 08:32 |
| Sc0rpius | and btw thanks for those patches, I really missed them. I'm coding tree view mode right now so I could have missed those for at least a week more | 08:32 |
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| Lava_Croft | cssu was not a success here:( | 09:43 |
| Lava_Croft | lovely patches etc tho! | 09:43 |
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| Lava_Croft | If at first your don't succeed... | 10:12 |
| Jaffa | Lava_Croft: Checked http://wiki.maemo.org/Community-SSU/Installation_FAQ? | 10:17 |
| Lava_Croft | Jaffa: yeah, i just flashed both rootfs and emmc | 10:18 |
| Lava_Croft | installin cssu atm | 10:19 |
| Lava_Croft | not that technical, but overly curious | 10:19 |
| Lava_Croft | so you get used to flashing the n900 | 10:19 |
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| patrickm | Hello | 16:43 |
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| MohammadAG | hey PatrickM | 16:45 |
| PatrickM | Hello MohammadAG | 16:45 |
| PatrickM | Just catching up on CSSU | 16:48 |
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| ZogG | PatrickM start developing than =) | 18:15 |
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| PatrickM | Hello ZogG | 18:19 |
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| Lava_Croft | Hooray, cssu is running on my N900 | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | Wonderful work, guys | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | and gals | 19:57 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 19:57 |
| Sc0rpius | but it's not running in my scratchbox anymore :( | 19:57 |
| Sc0rpius | it can't find the osso applets in the repo | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | aww | 19:58 |
| Sc0rpius | so I'm afraid I'd have to pull them from git and install them from there | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, any chance you could send your horizontal scrolling fix? | 20:05 |
| * MohammadAG wonders why his laptop's lagging | 20:05 | |
| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: thank you for the work you and your friends have done so far, and will do in the future | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | it will keep maemo happy | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | and in extent, me | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | you're welcome :) | 20:07 |
| Sc0rpius | well I'm trying to get all in place first again | 20:08 |
| Sc0rpius | but I can't seem to install community-ssu in my scratchbox | 20:08 |
| Lava_Croft | its a bright light in these dark(er) days :) | 20:08 |
| Sc0rpius | it fails on dependences, are the osso-display and osso-notificationlight applets in the repo? | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 20:10 |
| Sc0rpius | but in the i386 repo? | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: is it wise to let fapman handle all the cssu stuff (or make it try to handle it) | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | fapman not being an adult toy | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | fapman ignores warnings, so I suggest not to | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, no, I don't build for i386 | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | ok | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | thanks | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | then I wonder how can you keep your scratchbox up to date :S heh | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | I don't use i386 :p | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | I always edit & test on device | 20:13 |
| Sc0rpius | oh... | 20:13 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 20:14 |
| Sc0rpius | the thing is | 20:18 |
| Sc0rpius | I can't find osso-applet-display-mr0 in the repo | 20:18 |
| Sc0rpius | so the install fails, even in armel | 20:18 |
| Sc0rpius | osso-applet-display: Depends: osso-display-l10n-mr0 but it is not installable | 20:19 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder why nobody else hit that problem | 20:19 |
| Sc0rpius | I think it's because is a closed package that all N900 has, that's why we can't install CSSU in scratchbox anymore | 20:20 |
| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: Maybe I overlooked it, but are the patches for screen rotation around the z axis and forced auto-rotation from Thomas Perl in CSSU? | 20:27 |
| Lava_Croft | I can't seem to (easily) find out if its so | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | Forced and Z axis rotation, yes | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | menu rotation, kalfa | 20:27 |
| Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features | 20:28 |
| Lava_Croft | there is no need/possibility to configure either? | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | transitions.ini | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | I find a section about the screen rotation transition | 20:30 |
| Lava_Croft | Why am I looking at config files from the N900 itself | 20:31 |
| * Lava_Croft ssh's | 20:31 | |
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| MohammadAG | they're not in the CSSU yet | 20:32 |
| Lava_Croft | ah | 20:32 |
| Lava_Croft | Got me there | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | I'll push them either tonight or tomorrow max | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | that's why I'm asking Sc0rpius if he has patches :p | 20:33 |
| Lava_Croft | :> | 20:33 |
| Lava_Croft | I like the almost rolling-release like update speed | 20:33 |
| Lava_Croft | "Merged Thomas Perl's patches to configure font size in the application menu." | 20:43 |
| Lava_Croft | That is in current? | 20:43 |
| Lava_Croft | (im sorry if im missing some easy way to check this) | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | yes, iirc it is | 20:44 |
| Lava_Croft | hm | 20:45 |
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| Sc0rpius | ok fixed the half of it | 20:55 |
| Sc0rpius | now: Depends: libvte4 (>= 1:0.16.14-0mh9.m6) but it is not going to be installed | 20:55 |
| Sc0rpius | and latest in repo is .m5 :S | 20:55 |
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| PatrickM | Hello people | 21:13 |
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| Venemo | hello PatrickM | 21:16 |
| PatrickM | Hello | 21:16 |
| PatrickM | When I read the the chat lines, I saw a remark about ssh. Is the N900 reachable from the outside with SSH or do I need to config something first? | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | just install openssh-server | 21:21 |
| PatrickM | SSH from a computer isn't allowed (I get a "connection refused") | 21:21 |
| PatrickM | ok | 21:21 |
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| PatrickM | Ok, ssh is working now. But only if I login as root. Should I set a password for user or simply skip that (and always ssh as root)? | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | you can change the password, it won't break anything | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | though I always ssh as root | 21:30 |
| Sc0rpius | well it seems I finally have something working | 21:30 |
| PatrickM | My idea as well (skipping the ssh -> users -> su - root part) | 21:30 |
| Sc0rpius | ? | 21:31 |
| Sc0rpius | when you ssh, you ssh as root | 21:31 |
| Sc0rpius | so you | 21:31 |
| Sc0rpius | don't need to root | 21:31 |
| Sc0rpius | you're already root | 21:31 |
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| Sc0rpius | and this new keyboard is driving me crazy already, all of that was supposed to be in a single line | 21:31 |
| Sc0rpius | ok so you folks want horizontal scrolling, let's take a look | 21:32 |
| PatrickM | True Sc0rpius, but as a rule (with Linux) you NEVER ssh as root for security reasons. But in this case it is something different. | 21:32 |
| Sc0rpius | yes, but sadly that's the way it is in the N900 | 21:32 |
| PatrickM | No discussion, I agree with you ;-) | 21:32 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm not even sure if you can ssh as user | 21:32 |
| * Sc0rpius tries | 21:33 | |
| PatrickM | Yes you can as user (ssh -l user <ip n900>) | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | you can | 21:33 |
| PatrickM | but you need to set a password for user | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | I just use ssh user@ip | 21:33 |
| PatrickM | as I already asked ;-) | 21:33 |
| Sc0rpius | well yes you can but you have to assign a password for it first. | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | I just use ssh user@ip as well | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | I just tried it, it worked | 21:34 |
| PatrickM | But then you would want to prevent ssh as root on the N900 which seems a bit too far fetched. | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | but I always ssh as root | 21:34 |
| * PatrickM looks satisfied at his console screen (while ssh's to his N900) | 21:37 | |
| PatrickM | And THAT is why I love the N900. | 21:37 |
| PatrickM | At work I showed my collegues how to ssh into our webserver and reboot. | 21:37 |
| PatrickM | They didn't get it ... | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | I love the N900 cause it got me into an awesome community and got me into development :) | 21:38 |
| PatrickM | +1 | 21:38 |
| Sc0rpius | you can even run a VNC server on the N900 | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | or an apache2 server :p | 21:38 |
| Lava_Croft | its basically the dream i had as a kid | 21:39 |
| Lava_Croft | a pc that fits in my pocket | 21:39 |
| PatrickM | Yeah, me too. Linux-to-go | 21:39 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont care for phones at all | 21:39 |
| PatrickM | Everything I own runs on Linux. Server, workstations and my phone :o) | 21:39 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, i use what suits the situation:) | 21:40 |
| Lava_Croft | but in the case of PC's, there is a lot more 'freedom' than with mobile devices | 21:40 |
| Lava_Croft | in general | 21:40 |
| Lava_Croft | n900 has no competition | 21:40 |
| Lava_Croft | but that's all just boring talk | 21:41 |
| Lava_Croft | i rather pet my n900 | 21:41 |
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| PatrickM | Anyway, great community and lots of future development. Hope to become a part of that. | 21:44 |
| PatrickM | Nokia might have EOL'd the N900, well I do not. | 21:45 |
| PatrickM | By the way, does the N900 close idle SSH connections? | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | not that I know of | 21:49 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 21:49 |
| Sc0rpius | it's weird but I can see Modest doing things right about horizontal scrolling | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | sometimes when I'm using ssh over USB, I disconnect the USB and plug it back in half an hour later | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, we just need to set mov-mode | 21:50 |
| PatrickM | I did an ssh and it was idle for some time and my terminal did respond. Had to close it and reconnect my N900 through wifi again. | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | that's probably Wi-Fi PSM | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | Power Saving Mode | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | you could keep ping google.com running in a shell to stop it | 21:51 |
| PatrickM | Right... hadn't thought of it. | 21:51 |
| Sc0rpius | it is set and correctly unless the defines are wrong: | 21:51 |
| PatrickM | Ahh... N900 went black, let me check ... | 21:51 |
| Sc0rpius | "movement-mode", MODEST_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH, | 21:51 |
| Sc0rpius | though it should be... "mov-mode" instead? | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | src/hildon2/modest-hildon-pannable-area-scrollable.c:g_object_set (obj, "mov-mode", HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_HORIZ, NULL); | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | src/hildon2/modest-hildon-pannable-area-scrollable.c:g_object_set (obj, "mov-mode", HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH, NULL); | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | src/hildon2/modest-hildon-pannable-area-scrollable.c:g_object_set (obj, "mov-mode", HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_VERT, NULL); | 21:52 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah but | 21:52 |
| Sc0rpius | look at | 21:52 |
| Sc0rpius | "src/widgets/modest-msg-view-window.c" | 21:52 |
| Sc0rpius | that's the message view window. IT correctly creates a hildon pannable area | 21:52 |
| Sc0rpius | but I think it's a typo... movement-mode instead of mov-mode... | 21:52 |
| Sc0rpius | because the previous line shows the horizontal bar correctly, and the horizontal scroll bar is shown: | 21:53 |
| Sc0rpius | modest_scrollable_set_horizontal_policy (MODEST_SCROLLABLE (priv->main_scroll), GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC); | 21:53 |
| Sc0rpius | so MohammadAG , I think it's just a typo... they put movement-mode instead of mov-mode | 21:53 |
| Sc0rpius | I'll try it let's compile it. | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | same | 21:54 |
| Sc0rpius | same? | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | <Sc0rpius> I'll try it let's compile it. | 21:54 |
| Sc0rpius | oh ok | 21:54 |
| Sc0rpius | well since I still have problems with my scratchbox I guess you'll finish first :P | 21:54 |
| PatrickM | Got to be off for today. Take care you all. | 21:55 |
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| Sc0rpius | well my autotools are broken | 21:58 |
| * Sc0rpius is pretty sure that typo will fix that | 21:58 | |
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| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: You can disable PermitRoot in /etc/ssh/sshd_config if ou want | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: There's no inherent reason SSH as root is needed for SSH on Maemo | 22:00 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah I should do that | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, I can scroll horizontally in portrait mode, can you? | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | if not, then I guess that was indeed a typo | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | using #ifdef MODEST_TOOLKIT_HILDON2 just in case | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, so, can you? | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | or Jaffa, need a confirmation so I can commit | 22:09 |
| Sc0rpius | well I can't even compile | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm stuck at ./autogen.sh | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | I lost all my scratchbox environment :( that's why I'm dealing with the installation again | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | I think you don't need the #ifdef lemme read again.. | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | did you try /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core start? | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, no, I mean can you scroll horizontally in portrait mode? | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | all my emails scale to vertical only, so portrait mode is the only way I can test if this is fixed | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm it's nice with the #ifdef since GTK has no definition of movement-mode or mov-mode or whatsoever | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | oh in portait mode? haven't checked. But anyway the horizontal scroll never worked (even in landscape) | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | oh I found an email that needed to be scrolled horizontally even in landscape | 22:13 |
| Sc0rpius | that's why "I hit the bug" | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | so I guess this fixes it | 22:14 |
| arcean | yup, hildon-pannable-area.c contains only "mov-mode" | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: On Windows laptop over N900. :-( | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11910#c2 | 22:19 |
| povbot | Bug 11910: Unable to horizontal scroll | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | now if only we can fix that new message button, it's the only thing preventing portrait mode | 22:20 |
| Sc0rpius | I'll fix that it's easy | 22:27 |
| Sc0rpius | what it's NOT easy is to fix my scratchbox first | 22:27 |
| Sc0rpius | is | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, <MohammadAG> did you try /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core start? | 22:28 |
| Sc0rpius | hmmm no, let's see | 22:29 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder what that does | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | starts mount points | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | without those, compilation fails | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | usually because configure scripts fail without the mounts | 22:30 |
| Sc0rpius | I see, well but it seems I'm missing some packages | 22:31 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm installing gtk-doc-tools right now | 22:31 |
| Sc0rpius | you pushed the fix to the git so I can pull it later? | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, see bmo comment above | 22:31 |
| Sc0rpius | nice nice | 22:32 |
| Sc0rpius | when that's maemo12 coming? :) | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | well, although thp filled hildon-desktop with features, I feel I should update at least two packages in an update | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | and if the "New message" button is an easy fix, we can add portrait mode to modest | 22:33 |
| Sc0rpius | ok it seems I was just missing gtk-doc-tools | 22:39 |
| Sc0rpius | let's see if I can build | 22:39 |
| Sc0rpius | and yes, it definitely fix the horizontal scrolling, so it was just a typo... :) | 22:44 |
| Sc0rpius | I have this mail from Credit One Bank that is never resize, it has fixed size I guess. Modest never resizes it | 22:45 |
| Sc0rpius | now I could read it with horizontal scrolling in Modest | 22:45 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | Portrait mode modest would be cool | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Is the portrait launcher merged and going to be enabled by default? | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | yes Jaffa | 22:47 |
| Jaffa | Shiny | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, it should be controlled by the orientation lock concept, whenever that's implemented | 22:48 |
| * Jaffa had a thought: if we had a Bugzilla entry for every new feature (presumably we do for every bug), we could use the Bugzilla plugin in MediaWiki to trivially do a: "What bugs are fixed in the CSSU" and "What new features are in the CSSU" filters | 22:49 | |
| Sc0rpius | it seems that the .po files aren't open right? | 22:49 |
| Sc0rpius | if we add strings to Modest, they won't work | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | well, there have been community contributions to modest | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | maemo 5 actually | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | where the whole OS was translated | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | timeless can probably answer more | 22:59 |
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| timeless | MohammadAG: ?? | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | <Sc0rpius> it seems that the .po files aren't open right? | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | <Sc0rpius> if we add strings to Modest, they won't work | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> well, there have been community contributions to modest | 23:44 |
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| timeless | po files are generally closed yes | 23:48 |
| timeless | po files can of course be msgunfmt'd | 23:48 |
| timeless | and you can then add things you're missing | 23:48 |
| timeless | (or things which were already missing at ship for portrait) | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | then how do we ship them? | 23:48 |
| timeless | "we"? | 23:48 |
| timeless | note that there was some agreement to make available the english files | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | well, me, I always use "we" when talking about the ssu | 23:49 |
| timeless | so that some chinese(?) localization team could do something | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, saw those in modest's source | 23:49 |
| timeless | well, one possibility is that you don't update the strings | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | which is best | 23:49 |
| timeless | the other possibility is you get agreement to be given access to the po's | 23:50 |
| timeless | or you cheat and msgunfmt+merge+msgfmt | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | so we can't reverse the .mo files and add strings to them? | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | ah, so that's not illegal then | 23:50 |
| timeless | sure you can | 23:50 |
| timeless | well | 23:50 |
| timeless | that's the problem | 23:50 |
| timeless | the EU basically sucks | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 23:51 |
| timeless | it'd probably be legit for you to do the formatting on the device | 23:51 |
| timeless | but it's quite likely that distributing the merged file would be problematic | 23:51 |
| timeless | you'd want to consider talking to a lawyer | 23:52 |
| timeless | fwiw, i've taken an approach closer to "don't talk about fight club" | 23:52 |
| timeless | i've replaced the vast majority of the translations | 23:52 |
| timeless | and am willing to claim that what i have is an original work + things for which there are no other logical choices | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | well, there's your answer Sc0rpius | 23:53 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 23:53 |
| timeless | on device would basically involve shipping an extra po-like file + a script which did the msgunfmt + cat + msgfmt | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | well | 23:54 |
| timeless | note that msgfmt and friends are not part of a standard install | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | we need to pull in the .debs and upgrade those | 23:54 |
| Sc0rpius | actually I would recreate all the po's using msgunfmt if that's the case | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | modest-l10n-* | 23:54 |
| timeless | so you'd need to depend on it | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | or was it modest-i18n | 23:54 |
| Sc0rpius | and then compile them to gmo as usual, but that would be a "CSSU interpretation of the translations" | 23:54 |
| timeless | Sc0rpius: all things considered, those are a better choice | 23:55 |
| timeless | the nokia strings are awful | 23:55 |
| Sc0rpius | indeed | 23:55 |
| timeless | i'd give you mine, but you need to be aware that providence is questionable | 23:55 |
| timeless | (disadvantage of having access to sources is that at the very least i'm arguably tainted) | 23:56 |
| Sc0rpius | don't worry, we can recreate them all | 23:56 |
| timeless | i'd be quite happy to have my strings used, i didn't write them to have them sit around :) | 23:57 |
| Sc0rpius | and I guess CSSU people can fix some strings if they sound weird in their own native language | 23:57 |
| Sc0rpius | and the new message button is not as easy as I thought since my first test didn't work | 23:58 |
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