| peterleinchen | oksana, see here: http://maemo.org/community/council/2014-12-30_meeting_minutes/ | 00:00 |
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| juiceme | RzR, I also think so, we have a good Council here! | 00:00 |
| RzR | so I won't disturb much since every one know the place | 00:00 |
| peterleinchen | latest one was just sent to maemo-community mailing list | 00:00 |
| RzR | juiceme: it's not councilor to tell but community | 00:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyway yeah, they're basically a summary of what was discussed/decided at the meeting, who attended the meeting (including non-council-memeber participants), and for councilor (or others expected to be at the meeting) who was abscent. | 00:00 |
| juiceme | :) | 00:00 |
| RzR | and I am part of it ;) | 00:00 |
| RzR | so beware I am staring at you | 00:01 |
| Oksana | Ok, so how to send to http://maemo.org/community/council/ ? | 00:01 |
| peterleinchen | RzR, at least we will get some input from COMMUNITY then ;) | 00:01 |
| RzR | ;) | 00:02 |
| peterleinchen | oksana, I will tell you later (via mail or PM) | 00:02 |
| Oksana | Ok, thanks. | 00:02 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oksana: your maemo.org account should be given permissions to log in as a councilor and post specifically through the webpage that automatically puts the minutes to the relevant places (incl. sending by email) | 00:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | and then I presume peterleinchen's explanation will cover the rest. | 00:03 |
| peterleinchen | Oksana, please send me your mail via talk PM then I can sen you template and details | 00:03 |
| Oksana | Ok, doing it. | 00:03 |
| peterleinchen | we will need techstaff to assign the new council to mailing alias an give rights | 00:04 |
| juiceme | so, that's sorted out then! | 00:04 |
| peterleinchen | Oksana, great! :) | 00:04 |
| juiceme | yes, the mailing list was tho other important thing | 00:04 |
| peterleinchen | I will give you all help needed to get you going | 00:04 |
| juiceme | I pinged xes before but he's afk | 00:04 |
| juiceme | chem|st, who can set up the mailing list? | 00:05 |
| Win7Mac | techstaff | 00:06 |
| peterleinchen | xes, ping | 00:08 |
| peterleinchen | warfare, pin | 00:08 |
| chem|st | juiceme: techstaff@ | 00:08 |
| MentalistTraceur | Can I see the expansion of the "$techstaff" variable? :P | 00:08 |
| peterleinchen | see above | 00:08 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 00:08 |
| MentalistTraceur | That's the complete list? | 00:09 |
| MentalistTraceur | Smaller than I thought, but k. | 00:09 |
| chem|st | MentalistTraceur: that is what peterleinchen thinks at least... | 00:09 |
| peterleinchen | chem|st, jaja :) | 00:09 |
| chem|st | MentalistTraceur: that is merlin, the two above fmg, myself and some others | 00:10 |
| chem|st | mentioned by name are sysops and framework maintainers | 00:10 |
| MentalistTraceur | *Nod* | 00:10 |
| peterleinchen | chem|st, thx. yes those two were/are the ones council talks to mainly | 00:11 |
| chem|st | chainsaw, pali et al add up the rest of the infra | 00:11 |
| juiceme | so, if you all could please email techstaff at maemo dot org your primary email (or where you want you council mail to go) | 00:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | Gotcha. Thank you both. | 00:11 |
| juiceme | and RzR, if you could mail them to drop you off the list? | 00:12 |
| Oksana | Ok, what about thumb target in auto-builder? Just reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda#Possible_Tasks | 00:13 |
| juiceme | mmh, I think that was never investigated, should be doable | 00:14 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen: just like asking me for merging posts on tmo... there are moderators for such stuff | 00:14 |
| chem|st | juiceme: collect all names and adresses and send one email to techstaff please... | 00:14 |
| juiceme | yes that could be the best way to do, and not individually. | 00:15 |
| juiceme | okay, so please PM mr your prefered email addresses and I'll arrange it. | 00:15 |
| MentalistTraceur | juiceme: I don't mind saying mine publically: mentalisttraceur@gmail.com | 00:16 |
| juiceme | thanks | 00:16 |
| peterleinchen | chem|st, you will not forgive me? ;) (thought it needs some admin task) | 00:16 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, mine you know | 00:17 |
| juiceme | Just note that this channel is logged to web, and there still are email harvesting robots out there :( | 00:17 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen: I will remind you every time you come up with "ask the admin" when there are other levels of contact more appropriate | 00:18 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, sure, no change needed for us | 00:18 |
| juiceme | :P | 00:18 |
| MentalistTraceur | Well, if my email isn't already public from my prior community and council activity, then there's some demigodly power keeping it private and I have nothing to worry about. | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen | chem|st, okay :) (agreed and accepted) | 00:20 |
| juiceme | well same goes for my address too... except I have a mail domain admin who is a real demigod, djinn and a bitch for swatting the spammers :) | 00:20 |
| chem|st | ;) | 00:21 |
| Oksana | Okay, will send PM to juiceme with my email. | 00:21 |
| juiceme | thx | 00:21 |
| peterleinchen | oksana, to me too, please | 00:21 |
| MentalistTraceur | (While I can't say google is that great, they do spam-filter rather well...) | 00:22 |
| Oksana | peterleinchen: To you, already did. :-) | 00:22 |
| chem|st | juiceme: sounds like my spamassassin "shoot them all and let god sort them out" | 00:22 |
| Oksana | :D | 00:22 |
| chem|st | people find me in reverse search now... | 00:22 |
| juiceme | yes, he starts with that and has some extra twists even I don't know about added :) | 00:22 |
| juiceme | gerbick, so that leaves you! | 00:23 |
| juiceme | gerbick, send me a PM with your email address | 00:24 |
| Oksana | Send PM through TMO to juiceme so that he would ask techstaff to add the email address to Council mailing list ^ | 00:24 |
| Oksana | I did, just now :-) | 00:25 |
| gerbick | will do | 00:25 |
| gerbick | done and done | 00:26 |
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| Oksana | Who could investigate the do-ability of thumb target in auto-builder? | 00:28 |
| MentalistTraceur | Well, I could investigate... but it's likely I wouldn't get anywhere since I know nothing about it. | 00:30 |
| MentalistTraceur | :P | 00:30 |
| peterleinchen | oksana, pali is the one to ask about | 00:30 |
| * peterleinchen thinks | 00:30 | |
| peterleinchen | as far as I remember from TMO ... | 00:31 |
| Oksana | MentalistTraceur: How is it going with PHP scripts? ;-) https://toosa.swagman.org/svn/maemo_elections | 00:34 |
| MentalistTraceur | Well, I suspended that so that I wasn't distracted while we were having this meeting. | 00:36 |
| MentalistTraceur | Figured I'd pick that up after we were done, email/IRC you all if I found something of note. | 00:36 |
| juiceme | it's worth checking the handling of empties | 00:36 |
| Oksana | Meeting that lasts for two and a half hours? ;-) | 00:36 |
| juiceme | sure | 00:36 |
| Oksana | :-) Thank you. | 00:36 |
| juiceme | wel actually the meetings last as long as needed, often not this long | 00:37 |
| MentalistTraceur | Well, I was late, so to me the meeting has lasted only 1.5 hours. | 00:37 |
| juiceme | we are quite long-winded talkers afk :) | 00:37 |
| MentalistTraceur | But either way we haven't really officially ended the meeting. | 00:37 |
| juiceme | but indeed it is true it is my bed-time | 00:37 |
| MentalistTraceur | Did we formally decide that Oksana is Chair yet? | 00:37 |
| juiceme | I do wake up at 05:45 on weekdays | 00:38 |
| juiceme | I second that | 00:38 |
| * Oksana woke up today at 05:30. But it's rare. | 00:38 | |
| juiceme | so its proposal and 2 seconds, Oksana, do you formaly agree? | 00:38 |
| Oksana | Yes :-) | 00:39 |
| juiceme | thanks! | 00:39 |
| Oksana | Thank you! | 00:39 |
| gerbick | good. Oksana for chair it is, right? | 00:39 |
| juiceme | yes | 00:39 |
| peterleinchen | Oksana, Great :) | 00:39 |
| MentalistTraceur | Well, mine was more like a "non-objection" than a "second"-ing, but works either way. | 00:39 |
| juiceme | AOB before we close? | 00:39 |
| juiceme | or actually, no need to close really, sometimes just someone needs to go | 00:40 |
| Oksana | Who is the current System Admin of Autobuilder? X-Fade used to be: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure#Services | 00:41 |
| gerbick | that'll be me... I'm so in trouble for ignoring this meeting | 00:41 |
| gerbick | wait, the have to go part | 00:41 |
| gerbick | not Admin of Autobuilder | 00:42 |
| juiceme | :) | 00:42 |
| warfare | er, pong. | 00:42 |
| juiceme | warfare, hi! | 00:42 |
| warfare | hi juiceme :) | 00:42 |
| peterleinchen | warfare, hi :) | 00:42 |
| warfare | hi * ;) | 00:42 |
| Oksana | Welcome! Good morning | 00:42 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, looks like two of us have to go. | 00:43 |
| peterleinchen | mentalist and traceur? ;) | 00:43 |
| * Oksana thought same | 00:43 | |
| MentalistTraceur | juiceme and gerbick, if I understood their statements correctly. | 00:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | I am good to stay for a while. | 00:43 |
| Oksana | juiceme: Did you send email to techstaff?.. | 00:43 |
| peterleinchen | warfare, that was my ping about | 00:44 |
| warfare | I've just read backlog. | 00:44 |
| peterleinchen | about setting up council alias | 00:44 |
| juiceme | Oksana, done already :) | 00:44 |
| peterleinchen | and of course access rights on MO | 00:44 |
| juiceme | te checque is in da mail :) | 00:44 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Though I will need to charge my N900 from which I am connected in the near future, and I have a bad tendency to aimlessly walk around while thinking, so I may end up wandering afk for periods of time while it is charging) | 00:44 |
| * Oksana thinks it's healthier than sitting in front of screen | 00:45 | |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, yes, will do that too :) | 00:45 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, th | 00:46 |
| * peterleinchen is saying bad words to my keyboard | 00:46 | |
| warfare | [x] done. | 00:47 |
| Oksana | Thank you! | 00:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | By the way, I just want it officially on record that I am really greatful to Aapo Rantalainen for putting GCC 4.6 in the N900 community repos. | 00:48 |
| peterleinchen | warfare, excellent! thank you | 00:48 |
| Oksana | peterlein?.. | 00:48 |
| warfare | the tmo stuff has to be done bei chem|st or xes. | 00:48 |
| MentalistTraceur | I wouldn't have fwknop running on my N900 if it wasn't for that (the GCC 4.2 in the SDK repo compiled it but it segfaulted) | 00:49 |
| MentalistTraceur | Which actually makes me want to add an addendum to the aforementioned autobuilder question: what's the GCC version on the autobuilder? | 00:49 |
| juiceme | okay, now I need to say goodnight! | 00:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | Night juiceme. | 00:50 |
| juiceme | nad have a happy start of the new year :) | 00:50 |
| juiceme | (I'm just off my holidays and tomorrow's the 1st workday this year...) | 00:51 |
| Oksana | Happy New Year :-) | 00:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | I move we formally wrap up this meeting, it seems we've wrapped up everything we needed to address in our first meeting? | 00:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | (But that said, as aforementioned, I am still good to stay on IRC for a while, if there's anything we do need to do) | 00:52 |
| Win7Mac | thanks everybody and good nite o/ | 00:52 |
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| Oksana | Ok, is there any kind of web-archive for the Council mailing list, or is it mail-only? | 01:05 |
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| peterleinchen | oksana, there is on MO | 01:06 |
| peterleinchen | oksana, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ | 01:08 |
| warfare | council@ isn't a mailing list, just a mailalias. | 01:08 |
| Oksana | Thank you for clarification :-) | 01:09 |
| peterleinchen | oops, yes. council alias has no archive | 01:10 |
| peterleinchen | above link is "only" maemo-community | 01:10 |
| Oksana | peterleinchen: What about the form (template?) to send meeting minutes to everywhere? | 01:11 |
| Oksana | And do I understand garage.maemo.org correctly that it will forward to me emails sent to wikiwide at... ? :-) | 01:16 |
| Oksana | Strange... I thought there was a place to specify IRC nickname in Maemo.org account, but I cannot find it anymore. As if it disappeared into thin air. | 01:19 |
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| peterleinchen | oksana, mail is out | 01:26 |
| Oksana | Thank you :-) | 01:27 |
| peterleinchen | what about garage.maemo.org and mails to wikiwide? do not get that part? | 01:27 |
| peterleinchen | IRC nicks can be specified on maemo.org: http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ | 01:28 |
| Oksana | Thanks for the link! I haven't noticed it before. It just seemed to me that I could add IRC nick to my profile through garage.maemo.org | 01:31 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Oksana, I'm curious: "Oksana" happens to be a Russian name: is that what your IRC handle is supposed to represent? And if so, does that mean you're Russian yourself? | 01:54 |
| Oksana | Yes, country of birth, correct :-) | 01:55 |
| Oksana | Not country of residence, though. Not for a long time. | 01:55 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ah. Same here. Born in Russia, lived there until about 7.5 years old. Then my family moved to the USA. | 01:56 |
| Oksana | My birth certificate is USSR-issued :-) Result of paper lag, since USSR was in pieces by then. | 01:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Just double checked, hence delay in reply.) | 02:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | Mine too. | 02:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | Technically I think the USSR was still around when I was born, as a legal entity. | 02:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | I was born 1991-03-30 | 02:04 |
| Oksana | Still, cutting it close. My birthday is 1992-06-22, the longest day in the year - actually, the shortest one, in Southern Hemisphere? | 02:08 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah, if it's longest in Northern Hemisphere, I think logically that always implies it's the shortest in Southern. | 02:09 |
| peterleinchen | Sorry to disturb your personal chat here ;) | 02:10 |
| MentalistTraceur | You are forgiven. | 02:10 |
| peterleinchen | but I need to go asleep! | 02:10 |
| peterleinchen | :) | 02:10 |
| peterleinchen | so any questions right now? | 02:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oh, I understood it as us having kinda ended the meeting a while ago, so I interpret that as you being free to go. | 02:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | ..whenever, our questions be damned. :) | 02:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | But, as it so happens, I appreciate you delaying to ask if we have questions on our behalf. | 02:12 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyway, no questions from me. | 02:12 |
| peterleinchen | so long then and gnite | 02:13 |
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| Oksana | That's fun. Results to be announced: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2013 | 04:28 |
| MentalistTraceur | Lol. | 04:46 |
| MentalistTraceur | Outdated/poor documentation is universal. | 04:46 |
| Oksana | Council mail-alias gets spam ;-) | 06:38 |
| juiceme | good morning people :) | 07:26 |
| juiceme | Oksana, yes the council alias is a spamwell too. Fortunately pretty easy to filter off from the real stuff. | 07:27 |
| MentalistTraceur | Morning. Welcome back. | 07:27 |
| MentalistTraceur | I myself am going to bed shortly. | 07:27 |
| juiceme | heh, working in shifts | 07:35 |
| juiceme | somewhat neat that, it follows that someone is active at any given hour on da globe. | 07:36 |
| juiceme | going to have coffee now. | 07:36 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah, I like that about stuff: I like that modern technology enables us to combine our natural predispositions (being awake at varying times for various reasons, for example), into tangible end results (e.g. improved "uptime" of "Council"). | 07:38 |
| MentalistTraceur | And I am saddened when so many human endeavors (governments, companies, etc) keep not reaping as many benefits from it as they can at least partly due to in part social/cultural inertia and generally just 'stuck-ness'. | 07:39 |
| MentalistTraceur | [/rant] | 07:39 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, afk for a while as I get ready for bed. | 07:40 |
| juiceme | as it happens, there was a proposition at our company (of which I am not sure was ever taken into use though...) | 07:40 |
| juiceme | that due to only 1/3th of the workforce being at work at any current time of the day, we'd only need 1/3th of the sw licenses for various office SW | 07:42 |
| juiceme | of course that foes without say for various floating licenses for engineering tools, but this was about windows/office stuff | 07:43 |
| juiceme | s/foes/goes/ | 07:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | *Nod* Seems very reasonable. (And prone to nuking by lawyers paid by less than ethically ideal companies...) | 07:49 |
| MentalistTraceur | (..though admittedly though, I think software licenses are already less-than-ethically-ideal....) | 07:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | (..all else being equal. I recognize there are circumstances where they are the most ethical available alternative, as with most things...) | 07:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | [/rant #2] | 07:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, afk again. | 07:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | Speaking of Microsoft stuff, I am reminded of two things: 1, last year there was a university class I was taking: required to submit assignments in Open Office XML format or whatever that stuff's called. That is to say, MicroSoft's .docx, .pptx, etc, formats. | 08:01 |
| juiceme | yeah, they do get a foot in the doorway by providing cheap/subvented office tools to schools. Poor children learn to use them and expect it as normal to use MS "standards" in the future | 08:06 |
| juiceme | fortunately not all are so thight, you are able to fight in somewhat, for example my son uses Linux & libreoffice at home to do assignments, and it is okay to hand out printed copies, no need to use the office formats. | 08:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oh right I forgot to finish my point, got distracted: One of those assignments was some throwaway (as in, I thought it was of limited value) paper needed to write on arbitrary computer-sciency topic. | 08:40 |
| MentalistTraceur | So I wrote one on the evil that is closed formats, especially in an educational setting. | 08:41 |
| MentalistTraceur | Turned it in like a week late to punctuate that it was harder for me to find a Microsoft Office instance to use. | 08:41 |
| MentalistTraceur | Incidentally, after that, they allowed submission in PDF format too. | 08:41 |
| MentalistTraceur | There was another minor story, which was item #2, where I was going to comment that I got an implicit agreement out of one of my job's IT people, when he asked me why I use LibreOffice at work even though they pay for MS Office licenses, to which I said because if more people were like me, they'd not need to pay so much for licenses. | 08:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | ..the fact that he kinda agreed gave me warm fuzzy feelings inside. | 08:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyway, t'was small talk that would've made more contextual sense right after your mention of MS licenses, | 08:44 |
| MentalistTraceur | not now after such a delay... | 08:44 |
| MentalistTraceur | But anyway, I must depart now. | 08:44 |
| MentalistTraceur | Night/morning/good-day all. | 08:44 |
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| juiceme | kolp, morning :) | 09:59 |
| kolp | morning juiceme | 10:00 |
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| Oksana | Moin. ((that due to only 1/3th of the workforce being at work at any current time of the day, we'd only need 1/3th of the sw licenses for various office SW)) Try to apply that to hardware (aka office computers, office phones, and such) :-) | 23:57 |
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