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| chem|st | chainsawbike: always fun to read, thanks made my evening, again! | 01:38 |
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| juiceme | hi! | 23:01 |
| peterleinchen_ | hiya | 23:01 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, how's things? | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, tired (again ;) | 23:03 |
| juiceme | same here, unfortunately. there's loads of non-maemo thingies I need to do and on top of this current hoopla :) | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | especially of reading "blame you, blame me, I am the only, ..." | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme: yes! | 23:04 |
| juiceme | yes. However, the TMO thread is a necessary thing, and there have been good ideas in it, even though there are few pages of the accusing kind. | 23:05 |
| peterleinchen_ | so what about rZr? will he join (or we still have SEP) | 23:05 |
| juiceme | I think RzR's still on holiday | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes that thread IS a good thing. as it started a few members to give some feddback | 23:06 |
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| juiceme | so, Doc's not here and likely not coming. Niel's here neither, and I suppose the same goes for him. | 23:08 |
| nieldk | Hi ;) | 23:08 |
| juiceme | nieldk, hello! | 23:08 |
| juiceme | nieldk, just thought you're not coming in :) | 23:08 |
| peterleinchen_ | whoo | 23:08 |
| nieldk | had to get some caffeine LOL | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | nieldk, are you here as free member? | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | or councilor??? | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | and caffeine is in here :j | 23:09 |
| juiceme | the latter I hope :) | 23:09 |
| nieldk | Yes, latter. Got a bit upset with a certain persons behaviour | 23:10 |
| juiceme | yes. We do need to address that problem. | 23:10 |
| nieldk | totally agree | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | nieldk, do not get me wrong | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | but on/off/on/off/on? | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | especially as we really need to address that as council | 23:11 |
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| nieldk | Depends really, we cant move forward as it is in my opinion, with a councelor working against -it seems - not only board and council, but also members | 23:12 |
| juiceme | Now I have mailed Doc and asked for official confirmation of stepping down from Council, but have not got a reply from him. On the other hand he has multiple times said on TMO that he has stepped down | 23:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | not the first time ... | 23:13 |
| juiceme | Also, he no longer signs his TMO posts as Councillor | 23:13 |
| peterleinchen_ | but I personally see his posts as resignation | 23:13 |
| nieldk | I believe he stepped down officially by his latest (at least two times) statements | 23:13 |
| nieldk | +1 | 23:13 |
| juiceme | so I am likely to believe he has made his mind up there | 23:13 |
| RzR | hi | 23:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | together with his absence here | 23:14 |
| RzR | here i am | 23:14 |
| juiceme | RzR, hiya1 | 23:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, salut | 23:14 |
| nieldk | hi RzR | 23:14 |
| RzR | i did read the emails partially | 23:14 |
| RzR | so doc left ? | 23:15 |
| nieldk | thats how we interpret his statements on TMO | 23:15 |
| juiceme | RzR, that is likely. He has announced it, but not to Council offcially | 23:15 |
| juiceme | technically that causes no problems, as 3-5 councillors is required to hold office | 23:16 |
| nieldk | we need to come to an agreement, if we will accept his retirement statement on TMO as being accepted as official. That would go at work also, you are supposed to resign in writing, but for example email can be considered written resignment. IF your boss at least accepts it | 23:19 |
| nieldk | so, I vote that his statement on TMO can be considered an official step-down | 23:19 |
| RzR | 23:20 | |
| juiceme | I second that vote. He has the right to do so. | 23:20 |
| RzR | i was checking the wiki/forum community input page ... nada | 23:21 |
| juiceme | there's no official protocol for that, or at least I could not find it from wiki | 23:23 |
| RzR | sorry tapped random on my phone | 23:23 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:24 |
| juiceme | RzR, you on 2G or something? | 23:24 |
| RzR | yes | 23:25 |
| juiceme | Okay, so how are we on things? RzR, peterleinchen_, your vote? | 23:26 |
| nieldk | RzR, peterleinchen_ whats your vote on accepting docs step-down as being official? | 23:26 |
| RzR | i have a suggestion | 23:27 |
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| RzR | based on neil and doc announces | 23:28 |
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| juiceme | yes | 23:28 |
| juiceme | ? | 23:28 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, confirm | 23:28 |
| peterleinchen_ | had some probs | 23:28 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, IRC's like that sometimes :) | 23:29 |
| peterleinchen_ | confirm docs posts seen as official resignation | 23:29 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, more a user prob ;) | 23:29 |
| nieldk | welcome back \^/ | 23:29 |
| juiceme | okay. RzR, you have some suggestion? | 23:29 |
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| juiceme | ... losts of drops here... will I be the next? | 23:30 |
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| RzR | councilors should not annouce resignation elseshere than our private mailing list | 23:30 |
| juiceme | nieldk, welcome back \^/ | 23:30 |
| nieldk | LOL clicked the wrong X | 23:30 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, | 23:31 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, yes but if that is not coming? | 23:31 |
| juiceme | RzR, I agree with you on that, common courtesy decrees that resignation should be announced first in "the family" | 23:31 |
| juiceme | However, Joerg did nor reply to me when I asked for confirmation | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | @all | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | what about: we see him as off-the-council and write it in MoM | 23:33 |
| peterleinchen_ | so he needs to argue against if he likes | 23:33 |
| RzR | then the rule should be simple | 23:33 |
| juiceme | yes, agreed | 23:34 |
| RzR | silent concensus | 23:34 |
| peterleinchen_ | nieldk, and you? | 23:34 |
| RzR | but afaik the coucil did not contact him | 23:34 |
| nieldk | sounds like a good solution | 23:35 |
| RzR | only individuals | 23:35 |
| RzR | so he has the right to remain silent | 23:35 |
| RzR | but lets do it the official way | 23:35 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, you see juiceme as individual, not council? ;) | 23:36 |
| RzR | and ask him if he resigned or missing in action | 23:36 |
| RzR | he is part of it | 23:36 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, I did not sign off with "juiceme on the behalf of the council", unfortunately | 23:37 |
| juiceme | if that makes any difference | 23:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay, if that matters | 23:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | send it once more .... :p | 23:37 |
| RzR | no.problem lets fwd that email and add us | 23:37 |
| nieldk | then we need to create a statement on TMO, where we accept his reignation, with a referral to the post(s) | 23:38 |
| nieldk | ^could^ | 23:38 |
| RzR | but this is good to have it in minutes | 23:38 |
| juiceme | yes, doable. | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay, council sees him off as long as he does not answer or claims against | 23:39 |
| RzR | and what is the reasonable delay we're about to wait ? | 23:39 |
| peterleinchen_ | we are already waiting 4 weeks for him | 23:40 |
| juiceme | until next week's meeting? | 23:40 |
| juiceme | hmm yes | 23:40 |
| peterleinchen_ | not appeared during meeting times | 23:40 |
| peterleinchen_ | juicem,yes | 23:40 |
| RzR | but from my perspective he has not resigned until he send the annoucement to cummunity | 23:40 |
| nieldk | A week seems fair | 23:40 |
| nieldk | RzR he stated on TMO, and he removed his sigjnature to show e is off | 23:41 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, he has done so on TMO | 23:41 |
| peterleinchen_ | I do not see reasonability to act differently on TMO or community mailing list (silence) | 23:42 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | as much as I regret AND do not understand!!! | 23:43 |
| RzR | may we kindly ask him to post something to confirm it ... if not we'll consider he resigned | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, he HAS confirmed on TMO | 23:44 |
| RzR | well then we need to confirm in list | 23:44 |
| juiceme | but not on council mailing list... | 23:44 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:44 |
| RzR | if he.does not | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, Ä | 23:45 |
| RzR | so giving him a week or more to do it his own is better than doing that in place of him | 23:45 |
| juiceme | I feel that is at least the polite way of going at it, if not the most effective | 23:46 |
| RzR | yea are we hurry ? | 23:46 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, may you send mail again 'on behalf of council' with CC to CC | 23:47 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, no | 23:47 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, I'll do it | 23:47 |
| nieldk | good | 23:47 |
| RzR | add that we will annouce it.our way if he does not | 23:47 |
| RzR | may we prepare the annouce | 23:48 |
| nieldk | FTR the post in questyin, is here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1440211&postcount=6 | 23:48 |
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| RzR | and allow. | 23:48 |
| Win7Mac | dears, are you serious, please realize this guy is pushing you (or anybody disagreeing on smth) around just like he did with Mentalist Traceur (and qwazix, or was he only blindly following?) For refference: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-04-05.log.html#t2013-04-05T22:12:14 | 23:48 |
| RzR | and allow him to read it and maybe react before it will be sent | 23:49 |
| juiceme | nieldk, thanks | 23:49 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, hi! | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | hi | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | he's gambling on this | 23:50 |
| RzR | lets make it short | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | that alone disqualifies him | 23:50 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, please explain? | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | whatever, i said what i wanted to say | 23:51 |
| juiceme | okay. | 23:52 |
| RzR | lets make it short and factual ... after some internal emails and tmo did annouce he resigned and now remain silent for a week at.... so the remaining council is officialising | 23:54 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, I fear we have problems of working until we have got this thing solved. Hence we are discussing the correct way to handle it | 23:54 |
| RzR | this | 23:54 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:54 |
| Sicelo | RzR: +1 | 23:54 |
| RzR | no more meeting on n9 i hate this swkb | 23:54 |
| juiceme | Sicelo, hi! | 23:54 |
| Sicelo | hi :) | 23:55 |
| RzR | i miss hwkb | 23:55 |
| juiceme | RzR, using N9? | 23:55 |
| RzR | yea and mosh and irsii | 23:55 |
| juiceme | been there too :) | 23:56 |
| nieldk | love that device | 23:56 |
| nieldk | despite it being crippled by N | 23:57 |
| RzR | n9 <<< n950 | 23:57 |
| juiceme | RzR, N9's a lot more durable than N950 :) | 23:57 |
| nieldk | oh yes | 23:57 |
| RzR | both are doomed anyway | 23:58 |
| RzR | so we are | 23:58 |
| juiceme | mmmh.. I _don't_ feel that doomed myself :) | 23:58 |
| nieldk | me neither | 23:59 |
| RzR | to move back to meeting what about referendum ? | 23:59 |
| peterleinchen_ | DOOM 1/2 or 3? | 23:59 |
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