IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2020-12-04

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Venemohey guys, does anyone still have a firmware image for the Nokia N950?15:30
sixwheeledbeastI imagine someone may have if you hang about15:31
infobotit has been said that n950 is limited developer kit device from Nokia on Harmattan. To know about flashing — ~flashing-n95015:31
VenemoI'm afraid I lost the backups that I used to have of the fw image15:32
sixwheeledbeast~listkeys n95015:32
infobotFactoid search of 'n950' by key (7): n950order ;; n950-firmawer #DEL# ;; n950 ;; qwazix_n950 #DEL# ;; n950-firmware ;; firmware-n950 ;; n950flash.15:32
infoboti heard firmware-n950 is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from pfft15:32
sixwheeledbeastthat will be dead15:32
infobotfrom memory, n950-firmware is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from
Venemoyeah it's possibly just a bunch of dead links now15:33
sixwheeledbeast:shrug: sometimes a factiod may link to personal copies.15:34
sixwheeledbeastyour not going to get something "officially"15:34
KotCzarnyi think i have some beta firmware15:34
KotCzarnystashed on request15:35
KotCzarny(beta as in some unreleased version after last released one)15:36
Venemohuh, I think I found something on a buired hdd of mine15:36
VenemoI have a "DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_RM680-OEM1-916_ARM.bin"15:36
VenemoI assume this is what you have too, KotCzarny15:37
KotCzarnymd5 is available, you can check15:37
Venemowill download just in case15:38
Venemolooks like the battery is completely dead, too15:41
KotCzarnyi shall charge mine, huh15:41
Venemowill just put it on the charger and see what happens15:42
KotCzarnythis is the thread about this firmware15:42
Venemothe device still has some very old nemo image that I worked on in 2013-ish, now I decided to reflash something on it that actually works, or at least, is supposed to be on it anyway15:42
Venemojust in case I decide to put it up on ebay or something15:43
KotCzarnydarn, you have n950 ?15:43
Venemoyes, though it has spent the last 6-7 years in a box in a drawer15:44
KotCzarnybattery might be dead by now15:44
KotCzarnyor in unstable state when charged15:44
KotCzarnyobserve the bulge15:44
Venemothere is no bulge15:45
KotCzarnybut after charging15:45
Venemoah okay15:47
VenemoI wonder what happened to everyone else's N950. some years ago many people on this channel had one15:47
sixwheeledbeastcollectors item now16:08
siceloi recall some were having issues with screens or something16:17
Venemomine has that issue too.16:17
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clortyou have a n950 Venemo ?  developer device?17:50
clortgot it from nokia or ebay or something?17:50
clortwhy did they go with omap3 instead of omap4?17:51
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clortwell it was sent to devs july 2011, omap4 was available in q1 2011, so probably too early17:54
VenemoI got it in 201118:03
Venemoas part of a developer program at the time.18:03
VenemoI used to make a few apps back then18:03
Venemoclort: AFAIK the reason they didn't use OMAP4 is because OMAP4 doesn't have a modem anymore, or something like that, due to TI having withdrawn from the mobile market by then18:04
clortare there any you are interested in running on maemo-leste Venemo ?18:04
KotCzarnyis it possible at all?18:05
KotCzarnywith all that signed kernel crap etc18:05
VenemoI don't think I would actually want to use the N950 as a daily device anymore18:05
clorti don't know what you speak of.18:05
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
clortthe droid4 is a fine replacement for n90018:06
siceloyes you can run own kernels on N950, but it's definitely painful compared to N90018:06
clortoh okay18:06
VenemoKotCzarny: Aegis works within the OS, and does not apply when you flash a different OS18:06
Venemoit is part of the default operating system18:06
KotCzarnyi must've misunderstood it long time ago18:06
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luke-jrI replaced my N900 with a GPD Win and then GPD Win 222:10
clorthow did that hardware work for you22:10
* CatButts ponders the sanity of installing and using gcc on the N90022:35
sunshaviCatButts: I have tcc for doing on device development22:37
CatButtsI want to divorce JDK7(currently my only way)22:39
CatButtsonly way I've set up so far22:39
CatButtsand return to some good ol C22:40
CatButtsI am considering either on-device22:40
CatButtsor an arm crosscompiler on windows host22:40
sunshavikotczarny has a nice chroot for linux on arm22:42
sunshavijust use an SBC22:43
WizzupYou can just use qemu-user too22:43
sunshavibut tcc works when You only option is the device {perhaps when lining on a queue waiting for something else22:44
CatButtsthing is, I want windows host crosscompiling22:44
CatButtsright, QEMU22:47
CatButtseh, that'll do22:47
sunshaviSingle Board Computer22:50
KotCzarnysunshavi: that chroot could also work on n90022:52
KotCzarnysince it's an arm device22:52
KotCzarnybut he could go even easier way with easydebian22:52
sunshavikotczarny: that should be slow and not easy on the sd22:56
sunshaviand vi22:56
KotCzarnywell, gcc isnt that disk intensive22:56
KotCzarnythe worst part is creating big files with debugging turned on22:57
KotCzarnybut normal compilations are doable on n90022:57
sunshavitcc is paramount on those cases22:57
sunshaviI remember i installed gcc directly on device . And it was very slow22:58
sunshaviBut YMMV :)22:58
KotCzarnyyeah, you have to free as much memory as you can before starting the compile22:58
CatButtsI've read someplace of overclocking the N900 to 1.1Ghz22:59
KotCzarnyoverclocking doesnt do catbuttshit when you start swapping22:59
KotCzarnyits not about cpu speed, but memory being tight22:59
KotCzarnycpu speed is secondary23:00
CatButtsand TCC does not generate the fastest of codes23:02
CatButtsbut can it be worse than Java? :p23:02
sunshavilately   just using my n900 as a mobile terminal and also for watching videos23:03
KotCzarnyi think php might be faster23:03
CatButtsI ain't setting foot there23:03
sunshaviwhen coding has ended i use the chroot  for the final binary23:03
sunshaviBTW: qemu is so slow. It just uses a single thread23:04
CatButtssunshavi, does "watching videos" include youtube, by any chance?23:06
CatButtsI have some for of cutetube, but I don't think it's working anymore23:06
CatButts*some form of23:07
sunshavicatbutts: download it on   workstation  and  samba mounting an watching it  with bencoh player which i have aliased as mpv23:13
CatButtsah, so whole operation not contained to phone23:14
KotCzarnyyou could probably script it with youtube-dl and some player (gst/mplayer/mpv)23:15
CatButtstcc ondevice it is23:20
CatButtsmaybe I can build newer tcc with it23:21
CatButtsI assume package in maemo repos is rather old23:21
MaxdamantusYou can play youtube videos on the normal media player if you download them with `youtube-dl -f 'mp4[height<=576]+m4a'`23:22
MaxdamantusSo don't have to worry about CPU rendering or something.23:22
sunshavifmg fixed cutetube and it was nice having it. perhaps this time cutetube could be also fixed23:26
MaxdamantusPerhaps cutetube could just use youtube-dl, like it should.23:26
MaxdamantusSince youtube-dl is basically *the* project for downloading youtube videos.23:27
CatButtsI can't seem to be able to find tcc repos23:27
MaxdamantusWhen youtube downloading breaks in youtube-dl, someone fixes it.23:27
KotCzarnybut special version that doesnt require 30s to just init itself on n90023:27
CatButts*tcc in repos23:27
Maxdamantus`youtube-dl --help` takes 4s here23:28
Maxdamantuswhich seems .. bearable .. to me.23:28
MaxdamantusNormally when I use youtube-dl on N900, I'm on a slow GPRS network anyway.23:28
KotCzarnyon my bpim1 youtube-dl -h takes ~12s23:29
MaxdamantusIt took 7s the first time I ran it just now, but then 4s the second time (presumably after disk caching)23:30
MaxdamantusI'm running it off an SD card.23:30
KotCzarnyit doesnt matter where23:30
KotCzarnyit's a self contained zip archive23:30
KotCzarnythat unpacks then runs itself23:30
MaxdamantusAh, I just run it directly from the repository.23:30
MaxdamantusSo no building involved.23:31
KotCzarnythat might be the reason then23:31
Maxdamantus~/youtube-dl/youtube_dl/ rather23:32
MaxdamantusI think ` -> youtube_dl/` is a symlink I made, but running either directly seems to work.23:32
MaxdamantusAnd if things break, I'll just do a `git fetch && git checkout remotes/origin/master` and it should be fixed.23:33
KotCzarnyi do youtube-dl -U23:33
KotCzarnywhich also downlods and replaces itself23:33
KotCzarnydarn. cant type dotay23:35
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CatButtswhere can I get tcc for n900? I don't see it in repos23:43
CatButtsright, I think to get this I need to add new catalog23:45
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KotCzarnybut i strongly suspect its in standard repos somewhere23:46
KotCzarnyso apparently its in extras23:50
CatButtsah, derp23:53
CatButtsso I had extras-devel23:53
KotCzarnyits also in extras-devel23:54

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