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| FatPhil | why have automatic updates just told me CSSU has an upgrade, and then told me that I need to install a new repository (without telling me what the repo is - it looks like it's just community? Will that clash with community-testing and community-thumb? | 00:35 |
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| FatPhil | I'm perturbed that I can be told about an update to a repository it had no prior knowledge of! | 00:36 |
| sicelo | what was the package to be upgraded? | 00:39 |
| sicelo | and just community shouldn't cause any problems .. the package versions will be lower in it | 00:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I don't believe it can tell you to install a repository. It's most likely CSSU Tmaemo12 update | 02:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Automatic updates are run every 24 hours | 03:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It will be the exact time of day you first switched on the device after flashing | 03:02 |
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| FatPhil | IT was something with CSSU and possibly maemo in the name, rather than a recognisable program. | 03:05 |
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| FatPhil | what repo was I supposed to have to have access to zile? | 03:11 |
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| FatPhil | hmmm, apt's confused - it insists qemacs isn't installed, but I did install it, and can run it. (but it's horribly buggy, so I want to purge it) | 03:19 |
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| FatPhil | ah - pebcak - qemacs-nox | 03:26 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | zile will be in extras-devel | 10:37 |
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| FatPhil | Aha - I think I may have tricked myself again... | 12:30 |
| FatPhil | hmmm, nope, apt-cache is being cranky and not showing zile after an update | 12:33 |
| FatPhil | hmm, even the update seemed to have issues - claiming that extras-devel was a duplicate or something | 12:35 |
| FatPhil | not reproduceable | 12:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | apt is not "apt" in maemo | 12:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~hamvsfam | 12:37 |
| infobot | rumour has it, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 | 12:37 |
| FatPhil | Ahhh, happy memories. The number of times the word braindead was flung in the direction of userspace was legion. | 12:41 |
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| FatPhil | HAM isn't showing zile either | 12:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you have extras-devel enabled | 12:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ? | 12:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 12:49 |
| infobot | i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 12:49 |
| FatPhil | Oh, shit - I just deleted my sources.list! | 12:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/zile/2.3.21-3/ | 12:50 |
| FatPhil | wanted a previous ls line in my history, but selected an rm instead! | 12:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | package may not have valid control file, may not show. | 12:51 |
| FatPhil | (a tab-completion was involved too) | 12:51 |
| FatPhil | Do I need the mirror of the old freemantle repos still, now I've upgraded to CSSU? | 12:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | repository.maemo.org/extras[foo] | 12:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Mirror are just for Nokia repos | 12:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yer I don't think zile built properly | 13:00 |
| FatPhil | so I don't need to recreate the maemo.muarf.org lines, or do I? | 13:00 |
| FatPhil | wait a sec - HAM should have a record of the repos it knew about, as it gave them names - where are they stored, I could just copy/paste perhaps? | 13:01 |
| FatPhil | erk, some XML file found... | 13:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have never deleted my sources.list :shrug: | 13:04 |
| FatPhil | top tip - don't do shit as root first thing after waking up! | 13:05 |
| FatPhil | if only my pesky meddling editor saved backup files, like zile does... | 13:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sources.list seems empty for me | 13:07 |
| FatPhil | yeah, I meant the one in .d | 13:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sources.list.d is a folder that contains a hildon-application-manager.list | 13:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that is a file with the repos in | 13:08 |
| FatPhil | that's the guy | 13:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I imagine touching the files and then opening HAM will repopulate | 13:09 |
| FatPhil | /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues seems to be what HAM uses as well, or as an alternative to. | 13:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I imagine /etc/h-a-m/catalogues contains all repos even the disabled ones. HAM will likely fix h-a-m.list if the file structure is correct | 13:11 |
| FatPhil | "likely" ;-) | 13:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | never messed in there before, but HAM must have access to both | 13:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if you disable a repo it needs to store it somewhere, it doesn't just comment it out. | 13:12 |
| FatPhil | for science (and because I know I'll do a reflash tomorrow) I will test that hypothesis! | 13:14 |
| FatPhil | anyone who demands that repo management may only be done in a GUI should be chemically castrated | 13:16 |
| FatPhil | there's more than one layer of hell, userspace, and then lower is guispace! | 13:17 |
| FatPhil | confirmed - the ones HAM knew about were recreated | 13:25 |
| FatPhil | now adding extras-testing and extras-devel the GUI way... | 13:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | don't bother with testing. | 13:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | testing ain't going to be useful with Maemo in it's current position. Great QA concept at the time but not viable currently. | 13:33 |
| FatPhil | OK, will disable | 13:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Currently enough people have to string together to vote a package through garage. That would be more co-ordinated than the way testing used to work. | 13:34 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I would also recommend disabling extras-devel unless you need a specific package. | 13:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Enable install the package then disable so you don't install anything you shouldn't | 13:36 |
| FatPhil | I'm using pinning to keep extras higher priority than -devel | 13:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Not sure on the effect of apt-pinning in Maemo as before Maemo wasn't really designed to use anything other than HAM | 13:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | domains where the way HAM controlled package priority | 13:38 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | all that goes out the window with mirrors and expired keys | 13:43 |
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| FatPhil | even the full HAM route leads me to no zile. | 14:17 |
| FatPhil | Anyway, I have a pubcrawl in a remote suburb to do. And I shall do it without my n9 - I shall use marble! | 14:18 |
| brolin_empey | FatPhil: Can you use an undelete program or otherwise undelete the file(s)? | 14:22 |
| FatPhil | brolin_empey: wan't needed in the end - firstly I managed to recreate it from memory (I'd only just edited it), and secondly that wasn't even necessary, as it's an autogenerated file! | 14:23 |
| FatPhil | (which doesn't say # THIS IS AN AUTOGENERATED FILE - DO NOT EDIT! at the top, which I consider an antipattern | 14:24 |
| brolin_empey | OK. | 14:24 |
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| brolin_empey | Months ago, a subject discussed in this channel was file systems originally designed for magnetic disks still being used on flash memory, such as with Windows NT still using NTFS on SSDs. For the persons who argue that desktop operating systems should use a file system designed specifically for flash memory on SSDs, like Apple is now doing with the Apple File System on Mac OS X, what happens if the user clones an SSD containing a file system designed | 16:26 |
| brolin_empey | specifically for flash memory onto a magnetic medium, such as an HDD? Will things still work well when using the file system designed for fast flash memory on a slow, rotating magnetic medium? Maybe Microsoft chooses to continue using NTFS for Windows NT because of the common practice and ease of cloning one type of drive onto the other type of drive? Yes, I realise that I did not generalise “flash memory” to “solid-state non-volatile memory” but, | 16:26 |
| brolin_empey | as far as I know, solid-state drive in practice usually still equals flash drive unless you call a RAM drive a solid-state drive but RAM is usually still volatile memory and at least some forms of NVDIMM use flash memory to achieve non-volatility. | 16:26 |
| brolin_empey | Somewhat incidentally: Do all x86 smartphones use an Intel x86 platform? Off hand, I cannot think of any non-Intel x86 smartphone. | 16:43 |
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| FatPhil | nor would I want to, then again I don't want to think of an intel x86 smartphone either. | 17:35 |
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