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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: As I have already said, I mostly use only Facebook Messenger, not Facebook, and I use Facebook Messenger because I want to communicate with other persons who use it. I usually use Google Hangouts for persons who are avoiding Facebook but apparently now Facebook Messenger may be used without a Facebook account. | 00:43 |
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| zenev0 | anyone？ | 06:17 |
| zenev0 | how to go into flash mode when uboot is installed？ | 06:17 |
| Maxdamantus | I think holding "u" is meant to do something, but in my experience, you don't need to do anything special on the device. You just have the flasher running on a computer while it boots, connected using USB. | 06:21 |
| Maxdamantus | Since NOLO or something will probe for a flasher on USB before running the kernel/uboot. | 06:22 |
| zenev0 | i recently tried to flash maemo-leste | 06:28 |
| zenev0 | but it doesnt work | 06:28 |
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| zenev0 | it ended up in uboot | 06:43 |
| zenev0 | cant get into flash mode | 06:44 |
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| zenev0 | how can i delete uboot | 06:48 |
| Maxdamantus | zenev0: how are you trying to flash it? | 06:50 |
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| zenev0 | ? | 06:51 |
| Maxdamantus | zenev0: you said "i recently tried to flash maemo-leste", "but it doesnt work" | 06:52 |
| Maxdamantus | zenev0: what are you doing that "doesnt work"? | 06:52 |
| zenev0 | i followed the official instruction | 06:54 |
| zenev0 | but it wont boot | 06:54 |
| Maxdamantus | Do you mean this? https://leste.maemo.org/Nokia_N900#If_you_don.27t_want_to_use.2Finstall_Fremantle.2C_or_want_to_install_quickly | 06:55 |
| zenev0 | yep | 06:56 |
| Maxdamantus | zenev0: well, that boots u-boot, so maybe what you're seeing is the intention. | 06:57 |
| Maxdamantus | zenev0: did you set up the SD card beforehand? | 06:58 |
| zenev0 | yep | 07:00 |
| zenev0 | when i boot from the sd card it goes mmc0 is current device no partition table mmc 0 | 07:02 |
| Maxdamantus | Sounds like the SD card wasn't written to properly. | 07:02 |
| Maxdamantus | How did you do that part? | 07:02 |
| zenev0 | using the official recommended etcher | 07:03 |
| Maxdamantus | Do you at least see multiple partitions when looking at the SD card on a computer (I'm guessing you're using Windows, which has some sort of disk management UI somewhere) | 07:06 |
| Maxdamantus | (I think you can see partitions on Windows by right clicking on "My Computer" and choosing some sort of "manage" option) | 07:06 |
| zenev0 | now i just want to flash fremantle | 07:08 |
| zenev0 | but uboot somehow stopped the device get into flash mode | 07:09 |
| zenev0 | at present i am using an debian live cd | 07:09 |
| Vajb | zenev0: It works like this. Turn off your phone and remove battery. Start flashing like ytou normally would in computer. It will say "no suitable device found". Plug your usb cable to device which has keyboard closed. Plug in battery. Flashing starts immediately. | 07:20 |
| zenev0 | nope | 07:25 |
| zenev0 | it doent work | 07:25 |
| zenev0 | still boot to uboot | 07:25 |
| Vajb | it should not go into uboot if you have keyboard closed. | 07:30 |
| zenev0 | i am sure that i closed it | 07:31 |
| Maxdamantus | It will go into u-boot regardless of the keyboard state. It might avoid showing the menu if it's closed though. | 07:33 |
| Vajb | but did you open it in some part of the process? | 07:33 |
| zenev0 | i am trying again | 07:33 |
| Vajb | keyboard have to be closed the whole process. There is no need for pressing any keys in device | 07:34 |
| zenev0 | still | 07:44 |
| zenev0 | it will boot into uboot | 07:44 |
| zenev0 | and i am 100% sure that i didnt open the keyboard | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | darn, bot is missing again | 07:45 |
| zenev0 | huh? | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | are you sure device is properly connetcted and flashing tool is running BEFORE you put battery in? | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Kotczarny#.7Eflashing | 07:46 |
| zenev0 | when i put the battery in do i need to close the back cover？ | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | no | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | but you need to have usb cable connected and flashing tool already running and waiting for device | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | if you are using linux, use script from the link | 07:47 |
| zenev0 | so i take out battery when i plug in my phone-run the flasher-put back the battery | 07:48 |
| zenev0 | right？ | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:50 |
| zenev0 | i am doing it | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | what os you are running it on? | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | are there any messages from the flasher? | 07:51 |
| zenev0 | waiting | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | what os? | 07:51 |
| zenev0 | debian | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | 64bit? | 07:51 |
| zenev0 | i386 | 07:51 |
| zenev0 | the flasher cant install on 64 | 07:52 |
| KotCzarny | try different usb port? | 07:52 |
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| KotCzarny | try different usb port? | 07:52 |
| KotCzarny | because nolo is unkillable, and usb is tricky sometimes | 07:53 |
| zenev0 | phone wont boot and the flasher is still waiting | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | another thing is trying different usb cable | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | not all of them are made the same | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | and n900 is unkillable | 07:55 |
| KotCzarny | so if it doesnt work at first, mostly it's about setup somewhere | 07:55 |
| zenev0 | is there a telegram group？ | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | this irc channel is better, just might be folks are sleeping still | 07:58 |
| zenev0 | oh right | 07:58 |
| zenev0 | i forget that | 07:59 |
| zenev0 | it still not have any messages | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | what did you try? | 08:02 |
| zenev0 | take out battery when i plug in my phone-run the flasher-put back the battery | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | ok, now try different usb port | 08:05 |
| zenev0 | doing it | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | and when you run out of port, try different usb cable. also, is battery charged? | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | i think device wont go into flasher mode below some level | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | if that's the case, it will be more tricky, because to start charging, it needs to run minimal os | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | if that's the case, rescueos can be run even with broken kernel/os | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | https://quitesimple.org/share/n900/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.3/documentation.txt | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | it can be used to charge battery | 08:15 |
| brolin_empey | Or you can use a Nokia BL-5J/BL-4J battery charger or some other computer that uses BL-5J/BL-4J battery to charge the battery instead of using the N900 to charge the battery. | 08:16 |
| zenev0 | nope it is not tricky | 08:16 |
| zenev0 | yep | 08:16 |
| zenev0 | that is the way that i am | 08:17 |
| zenev0 | using | 08:17 |
| brolin_empey | Or even directly power the battery terminals from a mains power supply like I had to do after I broke the USB connector on my first N900 way back in 2010. | 08:19 |
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| zeneb | the battery is ok | 08:39 |
| zeneb | so i did all this (zenev0) so i take out battery when i plug in my phone-run the flasher-put back the battery again | 08:40 |
| zeneb | it just boot to uboot | 08:40 |
| zeneb | and i dont open up the keyboard | 08:40 |
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| KotCzarny | if it still loads uboot, then nolo (nokia loader) is ok | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | and it's nolo job to put device in flashing mode | 08:42 |
| zeneb | ok so what should i do now | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | what you might still try, press u, then put battery in | 08:42 |
| zeneb | ok | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | i mean, press and hold u | 08:43 |
| zeneb | now the phone boot to uboot menu | 08:44 |
| zeneb | and the flasher says booting device into flash mode | 08:45 |
| zeneb | and now it says suitable usb device not found | 08:45 |
| zeneb | waiting | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | try different cable | 08:48 |
| zeneb | and still no responding | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | try different computer | 08:52 |
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| KotCzarny | try different computer | 08:53 |
| zenev0 | i changed the order | 08:53 |
| zenev0 | now it flashing combined | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fixing bot | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charge you battery! HEHE. I'd say 90% of "flashing fails for me" is due to weak battery and user swearing the battery is totally fine | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pro tip to make sure USB is OK: `tail -f /var/log/syslog` or the equivalent systemd journalctl command I totally fail to recall. Should show the device enumerating | 12:59 |
| Maxdamantus | or the more universal: cat /dev/kmsg | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bot about to resurrect | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum | 13:01 |
| Maxdamantus | (though /dev/kmsg won't give you pretty timestamps) | 13:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lf | 13:03 |
| infobot | i heard #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a pity zenev is not online | 13:05 |
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