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| sicelo | back to my earlier questions about 2FA, looks like there already is an OTP tool for N900 | 01:42 |
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| sicelo | http://maemo.org/packages/view/otp/ | 01:42 |
| sicelo | no idea how well it works (or how secure it is) | 01:42 |
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| buZz | TOTP i assume? | 01:53 |
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| buZz | ah yes | 01:53 |
| buZz | there is oathtool aswell, at least in debian | 01:54 |
| buZz | RFC 6238 TOTP is what 'google authenticator' uses | 01:54 |
| buZz | you can just copy the seeds out of it , feed them to oathtool and get a key to use on websites for 2FA | 01:54 |
| sicelo | yes, i have seen oathtool, and one of the days i should try compile it for maemo through sb | 01:55 |
| sicelo | i don't have google authenticator anywhere. | 01:55 |
| buZz | > oathtool --totp -b $CODEYOUGOTFROMTHEWEBSITE | 01:55 |
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| buZz | it gives you a QR code to scan usually, the code from that is what you'd use to make a new key each time | 01:56 |
| sicelo | and 'top' n900 doesn't seem to be working. well ... at least facebook says codes are invalid | 01:56 |
| buZz | maybe you need to set it to TOTP instead of HOTP? | 01:56 |
| buZz | its not default on oathtool either | 01:57 |
| sicelo | it only allows switching between HOTP & MOTP, and with HOTP, you can switch between 'time-based' (which i assume is TOTP) and 'event-based' | 01:58 |
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| buZz | weird, if you have a debian box available somewhere you can test oathtool there | 01:59 |
| buZz | apt install oathtool | 01:59 |
| buZz | :) | 01:59 |
| sicelo | yes, left my laptop at work. already installed oathtool on it .. just need to put it to use | 02:00 |
| sicelo | i hope it will build nicely for maemo as well | 02:00 |
| buZz | quite sure, i doubt it has much dependancies | 02:00 |
| sicelo | maybe i should already look in older debian repos .. a few packages work ok from there on maemo | 02:01 |
| Oksanaa | >> <Maxdamantus> Optimally, all RAM should be used, for cache if nothing else. << With Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit, if Task Manager shows high RAM usage (like, 13GB out of 16GB), it means "ultra-slow computer, restart some of those programs". But then, this slowness may also coincide with high (like, | 02:25 |
| Oksanaa | 1725914275) "Page Faults" (whatever they are) for processes. | 02:26 |
| sicelo | (oathtool - at least all the ones on debian repos need higher libc6 than maemos ..) | 02:28 |
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| Maxdamantus | Assuming "page faults" means "major page fault", that means you're copying things in and out of swap, which gets bad when you've run out of non-freeable RAM. | 03:02 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect Windows probably doesn't include disk cache in its "used memory" count, but theoretically, that extra memory should still be used. | 03:03 |
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| Oksanaa | Maxdamantus : Is it possible to have 0 "major page faults"? | 04:20 |
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| Maxdamantus | Oksanaa: sure, if there's no swap. | 04:53 |
| Maxdamantus | and maybe no disk; not sure if memory mapped files' page faults are considered major. | 04:54 |
| Maxdamantus | (swap/pagefile) | 04:54 |
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| Oksanaa | Why do things copied in and out of RAM get bad when computer runs out of non-free-able RAM? | 05:45 |
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| Maxdamantus | Oksanaa: I mean that when you run out of non-freeable RAM, the copying in and out is extreme (bad). | 06:50 |
| Maxdamantus | That is, it shouldn't happen if you have plenty of freeable RAM. | 06:51 |
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| Oksanaa | So, if Windows shows "almost all RAM is used", it means "you are running out of non-freeable RAM"? | 07:51 |
| Oksanaa | As in, SeaMonkey and Firefox and K-Meleon and SumatraPDF and Office and IceChat are all using lots of non-freeable RAM? | 07:52 |
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| brolin_empey | Oksanaa: Main memory (primary storage) is a subset of the total RAM in a computer. Peripherals such as a GPU may have gibibytes of RAM that is not part of main memory. “RAM” is common usage, though, whereas “main memory” and “primary storage” are formal technical terms, like “headphone jack” versus “analog audio connector”. | 08:08 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't know how Windows works. | 08:15 |
| Maxdamantus | but in something like `free` on Linux, it shows you RAM used, and RAM used excluding caches. | 08:16 |
| Oksanaa | Nice | 08:20 |
| brolin_empey | Is one who sums a summer? | 08:21 |
| sicelo | :p | 08:53 |
| brolin_empey | Is one who springs a springer? | 08:54 |
| brolin_empey | Are salesmen in a store selling Commodore computers in the 1970s PET Shop Boys? | 09:10 |
| brolin_empey | I have a 4k UHD display and a 5.25-inch flexible disc drive connected to the same computer. | 09:16 |
| sicelo | (oathtool works very well [on pc]) | 09:31 |
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| Kclamer | Hello | 09:45 |
| brolin_empey | Kclamer: Hello. | 09:47 |
| Kclamer | Found my n900 yesterday, charged it, fired it up and it had an SSU update ready. | 09:49 |
| Kclamer | Can't believe it's still supported! | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | sure, and more goodies are in the works | 09:50 |
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| Kclamer | All the people that keep this up are awesome. The N900 is my favorite phone even after a decade. Still take it out and play some emulators on it. | 09:53 |
| Kclamer | KotCzarny is that like Black Cat? | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | no, catblack | 09:54 |
| Kclamer | Haha, same thing. | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | not at all | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | you dont drink colacoca | 09:55 |
| brolin_empey | Well, “black cat” and “gato negro” are the same. | 09:58 |
| brolin_empey | Or “chat noir” (correct French translation?). | 09:59 |
| Kclamer | I don't think most people would have been able to guess the translation anyway | 10:02 |
| Kclamer | It's probably Polish | 10:03 |
| brolin_empey | Kclamer: Yes, KotCzarny lives in the land of Perl scripts. ;-) | 10:04 |
| * brolin_empey lives in the land of calcium. | 10:04 | |
| Kclamer | Do any of you guys actively develop for Fremantle? | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:05 |
| Kclamer | What are you working on? | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | ~oscp | 10:05 |
| infobot | hmm... oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 10:05 |
| Kclamer | That looks awesome, I remember playing with vlc for streaming my own music from my computer to the N900 | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | there is also mpd for n900 | 10:07 |
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| Kclamer | Now I just open Soma radio and let it go | 10:09 |
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| Juesto | hello | 10:37 |
| Juesto | so I've been able to update the maemo sdk vm | 10:37 |
| Juesto | i think maemo users here do use the lenny archives? | 10:38 |
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| Juesto | Should i dist-upgrade scratchbox??? | 11:03 |
| Juesto | i mean development stuff inside it | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | if you are sucker for punishment, go for it | 11:03 |
| Juesto | ..? | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glutton/sucker%20for%20punishment | 11:08 |
| Juesto | yeah it's not like I don't understand but... | 11:09 |
| Juesto | didn't really liked that reply and gives no further elaboration | 11:09 |
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| Juesto | welp | 11:20 |
| Juesto | quite of a huge issue I've got with Bora scratchbox sdk | 11:20 |
| Juesto | :s | 11:21 |
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| Juesto | ok, installing diablo's maemo-explicit should give me the propertary bits, completing the experience hopefully | 11:25 |
| sicelo | what are you doing with bora? got an N8x0? | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | n8x0 uses diablo | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | bora is for 770 afair | 11:32 |
| sicelo | even worse then :p | 11:32 |
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| Juesto | I'm with the sdk :D | 12:38 |
| Juesto | zero nokia devices | 12:39 |
| Juesto | and bora is broken -_- | 12:39 |
| Juesto | sicelo: scratchbox stuff | 12:41 |
| * sparre has a spare N900. - Unfortunately with a loose micro-USB power connector. | 12:46 | |
| * sparre has to learn how to solder modern electronics. | 12:48 | |
| * sparre hasn't done any serious soldering since he worked on a nuclear reactor. | 12:48 | |
| sparre | (~25 years ago) | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | i assume soldering in nuclear reactor is easier than dabbling with smd | 12:49 |
| sparre | Much easier. | 12:49 |
| inz | Can you hook up your N900 with a micro-reactor | 12:49 |
| inz | no need to fix the connector | 12:49 |
| sparre | Good spacing between the connections on the boards. | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | inz: sure, you can, but it needs separate cart for being mobile | 12:50 |
| sparre | :-) | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | might be whole wagon | 12:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~usbfix | 13:02 |
| infobot | from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt, or to avoid breakage, see ~usb-unplug | 13:02 |
| sparre | sixwheeledbeast: Thanks. | 13:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np | 13:28 |
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| * jonwil is annoyed because he lost the stylus for his N900 :( | 15:25 | |
| bencoh | :( | 15:29 |
| bencoh | can you order a replacement? | 15:29 |
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| jonwil | Posted on tmo, someone there might know what I can get as a replacement without the big costs of buying a new Nokia one (shipping to Oz isn't cheap) | 15:32 |
| Vajb | jonwil: buy from ebay. I got five for 3 dollars | 15:37 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: add shipping to australia | 15:37 |
| Vajb | freeshipping ;) | 15:37 |
| jonwil | After previous bad experiences I refuse to touch eBay... | 15:37 |
| KotCzarny | to eu maybe, but .au.. | 15:37 |
| KotCzarny | that is the land down under | 15:37 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: and if you have 5, just check the shipping to .au and send 2 to jonwil | 15:38 |
| Vajb | well from where I look at it seems that china is closer | 15:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:38 |
| Vajb | to australia | 15:38 |
| KotCzarny | when it comes to shipping costs it's usually not the distance but bulk size | 15:38 |
| Vajb | makes me wonder how is selling the cables good business | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | bulk and returning customers? | 15:39 |
| Vajb | like, I bought few usb cables 0,35$ with free shipping | 15:40 |
| Vajb | might be bulk | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, try sending 1-2 styluses to jonwil | 15:41 |
| Vajb | jonwil: maygbe buy something which has sturdy plastic around and carve your own stylus :p | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | it will be good investment in your n900 future | 15:42 |
| Vajb | probably it would take 10-20$ I think | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | check regular letter options | 15:43 |
| KotCzarny | will be closer to 3-5$ | 15:43 |
| trx | I've bought a complete housing few years ago, it included a stylus. | 15:43 |
| trx | And now i have spare parts too. | 15:43 |
| trx | (I have lost my original stylus) | 15:43 |
| KotCzarny | for me regular letter (<50g) to .au is ~1.5usd | 15:45 |
| KotCzarny | which is the same as to any other country. rates ramp up when you choose to send the same thing as a package or require tracking/declare value | 15:47 |
| bencoh | Vajb: don't you live in singapur? | 15:49 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: i though he lived in .fi | 15:49 |
| bencoh | ah, could be | 15:49 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, bbl | 15:49 |
| Vajb | yeah .fi is my local | 15:52 |
| Vajb | maybe it is my dialect :p | 15:52 |
| Maxdamantus | Mikä ".fi" on? | 15:53 |
| Vajb | I can ask for posting, but it'll be monday untill im home | 15:53 |
| Vajb | Maxdamantus: strictly speaking .fi is just domain | 15:54 |
| bencoh | Vajb: looks liked I mixed you with someone else :) | 15:54 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, I know, just wanted to say something random in Finnish. | 15:54 |
| Vajb | ei se mitään ymmärrän hyvin. Teen sitä itse kokoajan | 15:55 |
| Maxdamantus | En ymmärrä paljon myös. | 15:57 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect you probably know Finnish much better than I do. | 15:57 |
| Vajb | I am rather fluent | 15:58 |
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| Juesto | hello | 20:04 |
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