| DocScrutinizer05 | so when you nuke NOLO, you can boot from MMC1 | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | watch out, maemo renames/swaps MMC1 and MMC0(?) during boot, if a uSD is inserted | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/unsorted-whatever/omap34xx-boot-order | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://blog.csdn.net/yasin_lee/article/details/7229349 seems to be a copy, but... | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | The SDCard x-loader looks for a FAT32 partition on the first MMC controller and scans the top level directory for a file named "u-boot.bin". It then transfers the file into main memory and transfers control to it. | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Bokia's xloader will not do that, you need a geberic xloader from TI for that | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops forgot >>quote marks<< | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>The SDCard x-loader looks for a FAT32 partition on the first MMC controller and scans the top level directory for a file named "u-boot.bin". It then transfers the file into main memory and transfers control to it.<< http://blog.csdn.net/yasin_lee/article/details/7229349 | 00:14 |
| sy | so some packages depend on kernel for power user, but I installed the uboot package variant instead | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, which packages depend on kernel-power? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they should depend on a property instead | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if at all | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually any package that needs powerkernel specific features should determine if those are available, at runtime, not install time | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since obviously you could boot same rootfs from different kernels, via uBoot | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sy: *which* packages depend on KP? | 00:29 |
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| brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast: I was acknowledging that I had redd your reply to me from 10:14 UTC on Thursday. Note that I do not know your geographic location. | 07:09 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 10:39 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | brolin_empey: oh, I get you now, UK. | 10:53 |
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| Juesto | hi | 11:07 |
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| Wikiwide | Quite exhausted. How do I get routing working in Mappero? | 12:21 |
| Wikiwide | I get "Connection terminated unexpectedly", most of the time. | 12:23 |
| Wikiwide | Sometimes DBus NoReply | 12:23 |
| Wikiwide | Granted, I am using cellular internet, because WiFi signal is weak. Either my N900 is damaged, modem's antenna is damaged, or settings need to be changed. | 12:27 |
| Juesto | hi there | 12:36 |
| Juesto | Wikiwide: probably just timing outs, not much to do given you're on cellular internet, a weak wifi signal may have speed | 12:37 |
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| Juesto | Wikiwide: were you ever able to connect to it? | 12:45 |
| Juesto | s/it/successfully/ | 12:45 |
| infobot | Juesto meant: Wikiwide: were you ever able to connect to successfully? | 12:45 |
| Juesto | damnit | 12:45 |
| Juesto | anyways | 12:45 |
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| Vajb | update to my "touch screen acting weird when touched from top left corner" Today i noticed that if i "support" the screen by pressing it gently towards body from low left corner, it works as expected. So i guess my problem comes to worn slide mechanism. | 13:15 |
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| sicelo | 00:29 < DocScrutinizer05> sy: *which* packages depend on KP? .... seems to be KP-related packages, at least according to apt-cache rdepends | 13:27 |
| Juesto | interesting | 13:28 |
| sy | yeah, i don't think kernel power with uboot 'provides' kernel power | 13:28 |
| sy | so packages incorrectly think it's not there | 13:28 |
| Juesto | Wizzup: so parazyd got pc builds yet? | 13:28 |
| sy | and try to flash it | 13:28 |
| sy | then i say no and stuff breaks | 13:29 |
| sicelo | sy: what is the package you're referring to as kernel power with uboot? | 13:30 |
| Wizzup | Juesto: pc builds? do you mean for a VM? | 13:30 |
| Wizzup | http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/virtual-machines/20180207/ amd64 vm images | 13:30 |
| sy | sicelo: not at my n900 rn but something like Kernel Power (U-boot package) | 13:31 |
| sy | from ham | 13:31 |
| sicelo | that's just the zImage/uImage iirc :-) | 13:31 |
| sy | yes | 13:31 |
| sy | that's all i needed | 13:32 |
| sicelo | so yes it doesn't really need to depend on KP, because *it is* KP ;) | 13:32 |
| sy | oh | 13:32 |
| sy | wait | 13:32 |
| sy | i misread | 13:32 |
| sy | ignore what i said | 13:32 |
| sy | I'm dumb | 13:32 |
| sicelo | at least in my understanding | 13:32 |
| Juesto | its okay :) | 13:32 |
| Juesto | Wizzup: well, yeah that's something, how much firmware does it support yet? | 13:33 |
| sicelo | i just hope it installs kernel modules if they aren't already there | 13:34 |
| Wizzup | Juesto: what do you mean | 13:34 |
| Juesto | like, real hardware | 13:34 |
| Juesto | and drivers | 13:34 |
| Wizzup | it's a generic devuan kernel, so I assume so? | 13:35 |
| Juesto | linux firmware = driver mega package supported by the kernel | 13:35 |
| Juesto | oh fancy | 13:35 |
| Juesto | so it should have decent speeds on a laptop theoretically | 13:35 |
| sy | sicelo: so the kernel power package i installed was Linux kernel for power user (boot image for U-boot) | 13:38 |
| Juesto | are most of the bugs listed in maemo-leste bugtracker reproducible on original nokia? | 13:39 |
| sy | and the package that diuretics l depends on the wrong package is Linux kernel for power user (settings and overclock) | 13:39 |
| Wizzup | What do you mean, original nokia? | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | i guess he means stock/cssu | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | ie. fremantle | 13:40 |
| Wizzup | I doubt that most of the issues/bugs apply. It's different userspace base (no libhal, but udev, upower, etc), different kernel, different kernel-userspace interfaces | 13:41 |
| Juesto | Wizzup: many would appreciate a raw image of the system "hard drive" | 13:44 |
| Juesto | for non-vm purposes and uncommon configurations due to the specialized software requirement imposed by those formats | 13:45 |
| Wizzup | Juesto: many? :p | 13:47 |
| Wizzup | you're the first to ask about it | 13:47 |
| Wizzup | you can also just install devuan ascii, with openrc as option, then add our repo and install hildon-meta | 13:47 |
| Juesto | Wizzupwith the image it's easier ;) | 13:55 |
| dreamer | Lazyesto | 13:55 |
| dreamer | :P | 13:55 |
| Juesto | and it has a useful purpose of offering maemo-leste standalone | 13:56 |
| Juesto | heh :) | 13:56 |
| Juesto | Wizzup: ^ | 13:56 |
| dreamer | Wizzup: my intention still is to try maemo-leste this weekend ;) | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: sdcard image with fremantle boot integration would be nice for non-technical users | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | dreamer: cool, hopefully we have the kernel battery bug fixed by then | 13:57 |
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| Wizzup | KotCzarny: not sure what exactly you mean - how would that work, and finally: want to work on it? ;) | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, dual boot? | 13:58 |
| Juesto | booting up leste and maybe install on top of Fremantle to upgrade it? | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | for those who just want to try out without messing (too much) with their devices | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | leste and fremantle will be probably incompatible | 13:58 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: do you mean a package for fremantle? | 13:59 |
| Juesto | so either dual boot or upgrade path | 13:59 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: we're still pre-alpha, so not a lot of thought has been given to update paths, and I don't rule out people will have to reflash images in the near future | 13:59 |
| sy | was anyone able to get a security device working? | 13:59 |
| Juesto | or yeah, try to improve Fremantle with backported FOSS blobs | 13:59 |
| sy | like yubibey or a card reader | 13:59 |
| sy | i just need usb host mode and pcsc | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, sd-only os? with the only exception to add an item to uboot menu | 13:59 |
| Wizzup | Juesto: that is explicitly not our goal, but I'm sure connman and icd2 can be added to cssu by someone | 13:59 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: it already is sd-only ; we just need the uboot menu item | 14:00 |
| Juesto | alright | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:00 |
| Juesto | i know it's beyond the project but it's a good idea ;) | 14:00 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: you just take the image, xzcat image.img.xz | dd of=/dev/<mmccard> | 14:00 |
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| Wizzup | KotCzarny: and them from uboot, select 'u boot console' and type 'run sdboot' | 14:01 |
| Wizzup | s/them/then/ | 14:01 |
| infobot | Wizzup meant: KotCzarny: and then from uboot, select 'u boot console' and type 'run sdboot' | 14:01 |
| Wizzup | c'est ca | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | then yeah, definitely updating uboot to autodetect or even contain static option to boot (chain boot?) to sdcard | 14:02 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. how big is the packed image? | 14:02 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/n900/20180215/ | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, 250M | 14:06 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: there's also a sunxi image: http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/olimex-lime2/20180209/ | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | it might be feasible to even make online installer | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:06 |
| Wizzup | (but no mali in there yet) | 14:06 |
| Juesto | netinstall? | 14:07 |
| Juesto | that could work | 14:07 |
| Wizzup | 12:59 < sy> i just need usb host mode and pcsc | 14:09 |
| Wizzup | host mode should work eventually/soon enough, there's debugfs, so you can use testmode to force it | 14:09 |
| Wizzup | and then just install usbutils, pcsc-lite, ccid and such | 14:09 |
| Wizzup | bbiab. | 14:10 |
| sy | Wizzup: debugfs? | 14:12 |
| Wizzup | mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug (iirc) | 14:12 |
| dreamer | Wizzup: ah, what's the bug? | 14:12 |
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| CatButts | butts | 14:12 |
| dreamer | cats | 14:12 |
| CatButts | by our powers combined | 14:13 |
| Wizzup | dreamer: instead of reporting "discharging" is reports "not charging", which confuses upower, so it doesn't actually stop with the charging animation - https://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=151869726709281&w=2 | 14:13 |
| Wizzup | also see replies | 14:13 |
| CatButts | what's new in the last two months? | 14:13 |
| Wizzup | dreamer: btw, this might be better suited for #maemo-leste | 14:13 |
| CatButts | my phone has received little love | 14:13 |
| Wizzup | dreamer: yet another channel to add to the list :p | 14:13 |
| dreamer | Wizzup: hmmmmmmmm, ok maybe :) | 14:14 |
| sy | Wizzup: why does a debug filesystem help with host mode? | 14:15 |
| sy | not sure i understand | 14:15 |
| Wizzup | sy: n900 doesn't really have 'otg pin', so you need to force the controller to host mode, which is done using debugfs | 14:15 |
| Wizzup | there's a lot of info on it | 14:16 |
| Wizzup | ~hostmode | 14:16 |
| infobot | [hostmode] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ, or see ~hostmode-powered | 14:16 |
| sy | oh | 14:16 |
| sy | I'm getting key expired errors on some repos | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 14:49 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | but it's normal | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | since nokia is no more | 14:49 |
| sy | right | 14:52 |
| sy | but the errors are on the muarf repos | 14:52 |
| sy | oh | 14:52 |
| sy | there only mirrors | 14:53 |
| sy | is there a way i can ignore this | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, just turn your eye away | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:08 |
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| * CatButts wonders if it's possible to cross-compile software for the N900 on windows | 15:19 | |
| CatButts | I suppose I'd need a specific version of GCC | 15:22 |
| CatButts | and probably other complications as well | 15:22 |
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| CatButts | besides compiling, there's also packaging! | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | sure, install virtualbox and use vb image | 15:25 |
| CatButts | I mean, having tools directly on windows | 15:27 |
| CatButts | at least the crosscompile | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | useless | 15:27 |
| CatButts | not even the crosscompile? | 15:28 |
| CatButts | guess I will have to be stubborn and help myself, KotCzarny :p | 15:34 |
| sy | can i flash kernel power then u boot? | 15:34 |
| sy | or will it break things since u boot comes with a kernel | 15:34 |
| CatButts | I think you need to install special KP for u-boot | 15:35 |
| CatButts | u-boot will then load that KP | 15:35 |
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| sy | ugh | 15:49 |
| sy | but packages depend on the kp that i can't use with uboot | 15:50 |
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| sy | Wizzup: confused about how to install pcsc-lite and ccid | 16:06 |
| Wizzup | my comments were not for fremantle | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | I suggest you don't even try to do it | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | everything there is too old to work with the keys (gnupg, pcsc-lite, ccid, etc) | 16:08 |
| sy | oh shit | 16:08 |
| sy | Wizzup: you meant leste? | 16:09 |
| Wizzup | I was describing a hypothetical situation with recent kernel and distro, yes | 16:09 |
| Wizzup | I wasn't recommending to do it now, but you can try to post host mode tools/scripts | 16:09 |
| Wizzup | s/post/port/ | 16:09 |
| infobot | Wizzup meant: I wasn't recommending to do it now, but you can try to port host mode tools/scripts | 16:09 |
| sy | right | 16:10 |
| sy | could h-e-n work on leste? | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | yes. | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | but you will have to port it | 16:11 |
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| * CatButts thinkens | 17:19 | |
| CatButts | first thing I should ask myself | 17:22 |
| CatButts | is what dificulties would I encounter with using GCC versions other than the one used in Maemo SDK for N900 | 17:23 |
| CatButts | I want to make an SDK-in-a-zip type thing | 17:23 |
| CatButts | windows and and linux have very different mentalities to how software should be installed/placed | 17:24 |
| CatButts | windows has a monolithical "slap everything into a single folder" thing going | 17:25 |
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| CatButts | linux is "put application parts into corresponding places" | 17:25 |
| CatButts | in the OS' folders | 17:26 |
| CatButts | there's exists a minimal ext2 image with maemo SDK(circa 50mb) | 17:27 |
| CatButts | for running directly on the N900 via chroot | 17:27 |
| CatButts | no doubt, that has the required headers/sources/libs | 17:28 |
| CatButts | and I am hoping to marry that with the appropiate crosscompiler | 17:28 |
| CatButts | (for windows host) | 17:29 |
| CatButts | for starters, I want to compile "Hello World" and run it on the device | 17:29 |
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| CatButts | anyone wish to hint me on some possible difficulties regarding old libs/kernel and gcc versions? | 17:33 |
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| pkill9 | Guix aims to solve the problems caused by dumping different parts of programs into one folder, it's working quite nicely | 17:41 |
| pkill9 | basically each software package gets it's own directory tree, even if within that directory tree it uses folders like /lib, /share, etc | 17:42 |
| CatButts | ah, that's neat | 17:42 |
| CatButts | but I am running windows | 17:43 |
| pkill9 | ah | 17:43 |
| CatButts | and for windows I stubbornly want a toolkit | 17:43 |
| CatButts | without VM images | 17:43 |
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| Juesto | CatButts: nope there isnt but nokia's ubuntu lucid vmware, it's for best that way | 20:11 |
| Juesto | although i think something was made for Windows but no idea actually | 20:12 |
| CatButts | I could attempt the same | 20:12 |
| CatButts | at least, as far as collecting the right libs and headers/sources, the proper gcc version for them and making a working binary | 20:13 |
| Juesto | you have it on that vm, CatButts | 20:13 |
| Juesto | why waste time figuring out | 20:14 |
| CatButts | so I rip those out of VM and supply crosscompiler myself | 20:15 |
| CatButts | and make a windows doohickey! | 20:15 |
| Juesto | again im not sure if there's anything for Windows | 20:15 |
| APic | lol | 20:15 |
| Juesto | CatButts: pointless anyway, cygwin and mingw | 20:16 |
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| CatButts | yes, but I'd have to have right versions of headers/libs to match the outdated stuff of Fremantle | 20:18 |
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| Juesto | use the vm | 20:40 |
| Juesto | that one matches your needs | 20:40 |
| CatButts | use the VM, Luke! | 20:46 |
| APic | lol | 20:47 |
| CatButts | Juesto, I stubbornly want to use tools directly on windows, without VM intermediary | 20:48 |
| Juesto | then, you wont code | 20:50 |
| Juesto | Google is your friend | 20:51 |
| Juesto | idc | 20:51 |
| Juesto | CatButts: All you can do in windows is make apps with qt creator | 20:52 |
| CatButts | I don't like Qt | 20:52 |
| Juesto | Then bad news for you | 20:53 |
| CatButts | surely it's not impossible to compile helloworld.c on windows and have it run on the n900 | 20:54 |
| pkill9 | just switch to linux | 20:56 |
| CatButts | no | 20:56 |
| Juesto | pkill9: ignore him, he said it twice | 20:57 |
| CatButts | who ignore who and for what reasons, Juesto | 20:58 |
| CatButts | *ignores | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: sy: yes, "Linux kernel for power user (settings and overclock)" obviously MUST NOT depend on KP directly, since KP comes in two packages: *-flasher (lives on NAND) and *-uboot-image (as a file) | 21:00 |
| Juesto | why the separation? | 21:01 |
| sy | some might not want to use power as a kernel | 21:01 |
| sy | not all the time* | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: uBoot and kernel live in same NAND partition, and powerkernel leaves no space for uBoot | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so uBoot means you have stock kernel on NAND and when you want KP you need the KP-uboot-zimage or whatever the name | 21:08 |
| Juesto | ah i see | 21:09 |
| Juesto | so it is better to carry uboot separately if installing powerkernel? | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Linux kernel for power user (settings and overclock)" needs to depend on a *property* "KP" that's provided by both. Or actually it doesn't need to depend on anything like that, rather check *AT RUNTIME* if everything as expected regarding kernel | 21:10 |
| Juesto | s/installing powerkernel/powerkernel is installed/ | 21:10 |
| infobot | Juesto meant: so it is better to carry uboot separately if powerkernel is installed? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when uboot is installed you need the KP-uboot-zimage | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you had KP(-on-NAND) and then install uBott (with stock kernel) I wonder if the device will even bootloop since kernel modules might not match kernel | 21:17 |
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| Juesto | how well would the system work with kernel updates? | 22:12 |
| Juesto | especially when uboot is separate and using power kernel | 22:12 |
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| sicelo | Juesto: some of it does not some care, but then u0boot is not a package for everyone | 22:37 |
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