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| DocScrutinizer51 | kernel updates work as usual, just you need to update a zimage file instead of flashing a binary to a NAND partition | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the maemo stock kernel packed together with uboot as siamese twin file for flashing to NAND will never see any updates, I guess | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what you update is e.g. the uboot powerkernel image file | 01:28 |
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| CatButts | ooh, keepassx updated | 01:41 |
| CatButts | I hope it's a pleasant surprise and a usable GUI :P | 01:42 |
| CatButts | it is | 01:44 |
| CatButts | they unfuckled the topbar menu | 01:44 |
| CatButts | and made it usable on the n900 | 01:44 |
| CatButts | kudos to that | 01:44 |
| pkill9 | Wizzup: is it possible to tell the kernel to only charge up to 80% battery in maemo-leste? | 01:47 |
| pkill9 | if possible it would be good to have that option | 01:48 |
| pkill9 | nice CatButts | 01:48 |
| CatButts | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348544204072288257/380981105232314368/screenshot00.png previous state :P | 01:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | updated | 01:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Oh. 1 feb it was pushed to repo, still only v1 db's tho. | 02:03 |
| pkill9 | what does it look liek now CatButts? | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: that's a question of charging hardware more than a question of kernel. condonable but severe very common misconception | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not everything in a device is software | 03:10 |
| pkill9 | ok | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually a controversial consideration if charging and battery management is a genuine kernel task at all, even when a particular hardware allows or requires software taking care about battery management | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway in N900 you can't really do charge-80% | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you could but that's a very hacky thing then, and for sure has no place in kernel | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw charge-80 is way less effective than discharge-30 | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | regarding battery live span | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW don't deplete your battery further than 30, ideally 50% SOC, ever | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | one 80->0 cycle is as damaging to battery as maybe 5 100->30 cycles | 03:19 |
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| pkill9 | oh ok | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and unlike charge-80, the system actually could do shutdown at discharge-30, you even could configure that. Not a kernel issue either | 03:23 |
| pkill9 | nice | 03:23 |
| pkill9 | what about charge 800>30 | 03:23 |
| pkill9 | 80->30 * | 03:23 |
| pkill9 | would that be the best? | 03:24 |
| pkill9 | if so, maybe just configure an alert sound when it reaches 80% charge | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as mentioned, it's not really supported by hardware to stop charging at 60%. you need nasty software hacks to make the phone stop charging before end-of-cahrge got detected | 03:24 |
| pkill9 | like my dumbphone beeps every now and then when it's fully charged and still plugged in | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/60/80/ whatever | 03:24 |
| pkill9 | no i mean, is it best for battery longevity to stop charging at 80% and start charging at 30% | 03:25 |
| pkill9 | just manually disconnecting from power when it reaches 80% charge | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that would be best for battery. well almost. better is 50<->85 | 03:26 |
| pkill9 | shame battery tech sucks on smartphones | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disconnecting from battery however means you start another discharge cycle | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err disconnecting from charger | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while N900 would either start recharging when battery falls to 76 or 80% and stops when battery charge current falls below a threshold of iirc 16mA | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a 100->75->100 cycle is easier to the battery than a 80->30->80 cycle | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even assuming you would re-connect the charger as soon as battery falls to 30% | 03:29 |
| pkill9 | ok | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you forget it and battery discharges to EndOfCharge voltage, that does damage to the battery | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as a matter of fact, my N900 are udling at charger and charged to 100% at 96% of the time, hardly ever discharging further than 50%, and the batteries survived that in pretty good condition for 5 and more years | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this minute: http://paste.opensuse.org/4214364 | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually it has even lower floating charge current, but I used it off-charger for a 10 minutes some gours ago | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hours* | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/82182452 | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might also be the Polarcell that behaves a tad different | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 charger design is superior. That's why you could start up a Neo900 without any battery at all inside, or with completely depleted battery. No bootloop deadlock for flashing ;-) | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbat | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbat-recover | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys flatbat | 03:45 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'flatbat' by key (2): flatbatrecover #DEL# ;; flatbatrecover. | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover | 03:45 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bootloop | 03:46 |
| infobot | i guess bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 03:46 |
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| brolin_empey | CatButts: Are you using Windows 10 for x86-64? If yes, you can try to use the Linux subsystem for Windows 10 to run x86-64 (ELF) Linux executables on Windows 10. | 08:28 |
| brolin_empey | There are also a few other (all inactive inclusive-or only for old versions of Windows NT?) third-party/community projects to run Linux ELF executables on Windows NT, such as http://cowlark.com/lbw/ , http://atratus.org/ , and LINE. | 08:43 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: You can boot an N900 or other mobile computer whose hardware is designed so that the computer is always powered by the battery terminals without a battery installed if you use a laboratory/bench power supply to directly power the battery terminals. ;-) | 08:49 |
| brolin_empey | Seriously, I did that after the USB connector broke/came loose on my first N900. | 08:51 |
| brolin_empey | Speaking of USB connectors, I keep forgetting that I wanted to check if something exists as a COTS product: a USB cable with both a microUSB plug and a USB Type C plug (I think plug?) on one end of the cable, like the StarTech USB cables I have with both a miniUSB plug and a microUSB plug on one end of the cable. | 08:56 |
| brolin_empey | The only device I have that uses a USB Type C connector is still the XHCI PCI Express card I used to add USB 3 connectivity to my LGA775/Socket-T (Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad) tower computer at home and work. | 09:00 |
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| CatButts | [08:28] <brolin_empey> CatButts: Are you using Windows 10 for x86-64? If yes, you can try to use the Linux subsystem for Windows 10 to run x86-64 (ELF) Linux executables on Windows 10. | 09:07 |
| CatButts | naw | 09:07 |
| CatButts | windows XP | 09:07 |
| brolin_empey | CatButts: Windows XP for x86-32? | 09:10 |
| CatButts | sure | 09:10 |
| brolin_empey | CatButts: Then you can try to use LBW if you install Interix. Why are you still using Windows XP, though? | 09:11 |
| CatButts | I feel at home! | 09:12 |
| brolin_empey | CatButts: Because you live in 2001? | 09:12 |
| CatButts | https://github.com/MyTDT-Mysoft/DllCompat | 09:12 |
| CatButts | maybe | 09:12 |
| CatButts | oh, so LBW is like WSL, before the WSL, right? | 09:14 |
| brolin_empey | Or 2008 for Windows XP Service Pack 3, which was released only for x86-32 even though Windows XP was released for x86-64 in 2005. | 09:14 |
| CatButts | I use the POSReady 2009 variant | 09:15 |
| CatButts | I stop getting updates this year :P | 09:15 |
| CatButts | my goal is to try my hand at making a portable, standalone zip with tools | 09:16 |
| Maxdamantus | Time to become a luser. | 09:16 |
| CatButts | I'd rather be a win-ner | 09:17 |
| CatButts | I brush with linux from time to time, but I'd rather windows for desktop use | 09:18 |
| CatButts | and everyday use | 09:18 |
| brolin_empey | Maxdamantus: Dave Cutler is my hero. ;-) | 09:18 |
| CatButts | https://github.com/riscv/riscv-gnu-toolchain/tree/master/linux-headers/include/linux/netfilter_ipv4 huston, we have a problem | 09:19 |
| CatButts | same filenames with different case | 09:19 |
| CatButts | only some of netfilter headers, out of all SDK source have this | 09:19 |
| Maxdamantus | I did that once. | 09:20 |
| Maxdamantus | https://github.com/Maxdamantus/hsstyx | 09:20 |
| Maxdamantus | Should probably avoid that if I get around to continuing with that project. | 09:20 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/funstuf.png | 09:22 |
| CatButts | so, what is typical use of these headers | 09:22 |
| CatButts | no doubt, I will be missing them, and any pack I will be making wil be at best a half-arsed deal, due to this alone | 09:23 |
| CatButts | *will | 09:23 |
| brolin_empey | Windows NT can, with its Installable File System support, support *nix file systems such as ext2/3/4 where it is somewhat common to have a directory containing multiple entries whose names differ only in case. | 09:24 |
| CatButts | yes | 09:24 |
| CatButts | but it's implemented in such a way, that you have to explicitly call for that support | 09:24 |
| CatButts | https://stackoverflow.com/a/34000339 | 09:24 |
| CatButts | I suppose it's a remanent of old DOS/early windows days | 09:25 |
| brolin_empey | I do not remember but NTFS may support that use case even if it requires changing the default configuration. | 09:25 |
| CatButts | it does | 09:25 |
| CatButts | it is in fact, case sensitive | 09:25 |
| CatButts | >The older Microsoft Windows filesystems VFAT and FAT32 are not case-sensitive, but are case-preserving. | 09:26 |
| CatButts | there you go | 09:26 |
| CatButts | up to win98 | 09:27 |
| CatButts | maybe early NT | 09:27 |
| CatButts | >Starting with Windows NT 3.1, [NTFS]it is the default file system of Windows NT family. | 09:27 |
| CatButts | so, what be these headers I pointed out? | 09:28 |
| CatButts | from the little reading I've done, I gather it's network packet manipulation | 09:28 |
| brolin_empey | Windows NT 3.1 is the first final/public release of Windows NT, from 1993. | 09:29 |
| brolin_empey | Windows 98 is not the last release of the original Windows series. Windows Me is. | 09:31 |
| CatButts | then I stand corrected | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: I'm EE, why do you tell me such obvious stuff? | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I referred to Neo900's ability to boot from USB power without battery | 09:34 |
| brolin_empey | VFAT can be used on all of FAT12, FAT16, and FAT32. I can even use VFAT on FAT12 on a 5.25-inch flexible disc on Windows 10 for x86-64 if I want. | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since the charger is unrelated to the system power branch | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so even while the battery is low voltage, the USB can provide sufficient voltage to the Vsys rail | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it will throttle battery charging sufficiently to not exceed the configured VBUS supply minus the Vsys current | 09:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so worst case the system can consume 100% of the power available from VBUS, while battery doesn't get charged at all during that time | 09:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for modem operation, you need a 2A USB power supply | 09:39 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I was joking by being literal because I redd some message from you saying something about booting without a battery installed usually not being possible (on N900 or other common mobile computer design, not on Neo900). I quickly looked through the backlog but do not see the message I was referencing. | 09:39 |
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| brolin_empey | CatButts: When you mount vfat on Linux, you should specify shortname=winnt in the mount options. | 10:02 |
| CatButts | I assume that's what n900 does by default with the MyDocs | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: aah ok, sorry I'm a tad tired and so didn't notice the joke | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: sequel to my former post: http://paste.opensuse.org/69029801 | 10:09 |
| Wizzup | pkill9: doubt it | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: mount ->> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noatime,nodiratime,noauto,nodev,exec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0000,rodir) | 10:13 |
| CatButts | mixed | 10:14 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Anyway, many things are not obvious if you have not studied a subject from an accurate and up-to-date source or are otherwise not familiar with a subject. | 10:19 |
| brolin_empey | Is it obvious that I cannot literally give you two cents in cash because I live in Canada, which removed the 0.01 CAD coin from circulation a few years ago? ;-) | 10:24 |
| brolin_empey | I mean I cannot give you exactly 0.02 CAD in cash but I can still give you exactly 0.05 CAD in cash. | 10:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 hands brolin_empey a plate shears | 10:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess 0.125CAD (a quarter) will do for all practical purposes, also eliminates lots of debates about precision of the cutting | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure your 5ct is also worth more in metal than the nominal value, like all those mini coins do, almost everywhere | 10:55 |
| CatButts | I got bored and made dependency map of pesky netfilter files | 11:07 |
| CatButts | https://pastebin.com/7nNmmhpV | 11:07 |
| CatButts | whoops, https://pastebin.com/q636exwL | 11:10 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Did you mean 0.0125 CAD? | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err yes, sorry | 11:24 |
| brolin_empey | OK. I think that would be technically illegal to cut a coin, though, because the tangible money (cash) is the property of the government? | 11:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not sure | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on country and legislation | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | maybe that's why they are afraid of bitcoins | 11:45 |
| brolin_empey | Incidentally: Does MediaWiki seriously lack the ability to return all items that are in multiple categories, such as both “Mobile phones with an integrated hardware keyboard” and “Android (operating system) devices”? It seems that the answer is yes but I do not think I have ever actually taken the time to search the Internet for an answer to this question. | 11:53 |
| brolin_empey | The English-language Wikipedia should also have a category for mobile devices using an x86 SoC since such devices are a minority compared to devices using an ARM SoC, in case someone has plenty of free time (CatButts?). | 11:57 |
| CatButts | yes, stick ReactOS on mobile phone | 11:57 |
| CatButts | :p | 11:57 |
| CatButts | what would these even use? | 11:57 |
| CatButts | Atom CPUs? | 11:57 |
| CatButts | something of low TDP, anyway | 11:58 |
| CatButts | and low power as well | 11:58 |
| brolin_empey | CatButts: Yes, usually an Intel Atom SoC for somewhat recent devices. | 11:59 |
| CatButts | ReactOS does compile to ARM | 12:01 |
| CatButts | kind of a novelty, in my mind | 12:02 |
| CatButts | I imagine emulating x86 and a low-end(by today's standards) ARM device would pe | 12:02 |
| CatButts | *be | 12:02 |
| CatButts | highly unpleasant user experience | 12:03 |
| CatButts | would it be slower than running applications through Java Runtime? | 12:03 |
| CatButts | I imagine so | 12:03 |
| CatButts | *on a low-end | 12:05 |
| CatButts | I think I need to put food in my stomach, I can't even type properly anymore | 12:05 |
| brolin_empey | Windows NT for ARM began shipping years ago, first when Windows Phone 8 (if I recall correctly) replaced the Windows CE kernel with the Windows NT kernel. Windows 10 was released for the Raspberry Pi version 2 and later. | 12:10 |
| CatButts | yeah | 12:12 |
| CatButts | I think they also have emulation | 12:12 |
| CatButts | x86 on ARM | 12:13 |
| CatButts | or x86-54 | 12:13 |
| CatButts | https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/7/13866936/microsoft-windows-10-arm-desktop-apps-support-qualcomm | 12:14 |
| brolin_empey | Few notebook computers used to use an AMD x86 CPU but that situation seems to be changing. | 12:16 |
| brolin_empey | Yes, at least HP and Asus have announced plans to release a notebook computer running Windows 10 on a Qualcomm (Snapdragon) ARM SoC later this year. | 12:18 |
| * CatButts gently pats ReactOS on head and watches it grow slower than paint dries | 12:20 | |
| CatButts | I call it pessimistic admiration | 12:20 |
| brolin_empey | I wonder if any of these notebook computers will use an LED display instead of an LCD. | 12:21 |
| brolin_empey | Woz finally met Jack Tramiel near the end of Jack’s life but I wonder if Woz or Steve Jobs ever met Chuck Peddle. | 12:26 |
| pkill9 | i tried ReacTOS in a VM, i liked the retro feel, it really felt like using windows 98 | 13:07 |
| pkill9 | other than that, it doesn't do much, lol | 13:07 |
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| CatButts | it's pretty much alpha | 13:09 |
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| Juesto | of the maemo original devs, which are remaining with interest in maemo? | 17:17 |
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| MartiniMoe | hi there! :) im looking for firmware and flasher (for linux) for my n900. sadly i dont get the hint in the topic >_> could anyone help me? | 17:59 |
| Juesto | ~flasher | 17:59 |
| infobot | refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 17:59 |
| Juesto | MartiniMoe: ^ | 17:59 |
| Juesto | ~firmware | 17:59 |
| infobot | from memory, firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher | 17:59 |
| MartiniMoe | Juesto: ah, a bot, thanks! :) | 18:00 |
| Juesto | MartiniMoe: you type what does the topic says | 18:00 |
| MartiniMoe | ~lf | 18:00 |
| infobot | [#maemo lazyflashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 18:00 |
| Juesto | lol | 18:00 |
| MartiniMoe | thats great! :D | 18:02 |
| MartiniMoe | ~combined | 18:02 |
| infobot | combined is, like, the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ | 18:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | If flashing from linux lf is the way. | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lf | 21:35 |
| infobot | somebody said #maemo lazyflashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 21:35 |
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