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| Wizzup | ilew: upgrade completed | 00:46 |
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| ilew | Wizzup: Thanks for confirming. | 00:52 |
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| Wizzup | ilew: One thing that I did notice is that this morning I was prompted for a cssu update again, but this time it just wanted to add the normal cssu (not testing) *repo* to ham. Kinda confusing. | 11:58 |
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| CatButts | hai guise | 12:30 |
| CatButts | what's your opinion of the various browsers for the N900 | 12:31 |
| CatButts | I'll start | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | forget about it. unless for really simple things | 12:31 |
| CatButts | stock MicroB: reasonably fast, good integration | 12:31 |
| CatButts | opera mobile: crashy, reasonably fast, can select text | 12:32 |
| CatButts | Fennec: piss slow | 12:32 |
| CatButts | Dillo: rudimentary, very fast | 12:32 |
| CatButts | I like Dillo for what it is | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | main advantage of fennec is ability to render quite complicated pages | 12:32 |
| Maxdamantus | Opera seems like it's more memory-efficient than microB, though I haven't tested that properly. | 12:33 |
| CatButts | prone to locking up | 12:33 |
| CatButts | there's also a bunch of other webkit-based browsers, but I didn't stick for long after one of them hanged | 12:34 |
| inz | anything dillo doesnt render isnt worth virwing | 12:34 |
| Maxdamantus | Usually if I want to render something that doesn't work in Opera I'll use midori in my debian chroot. | 12:34 |
| CatButts | oh yeah | 12:34 |
| CatButts | Midori, that was the one | 12:34 |
| CatButts | not quite so fast :P | 12:34 |
| Maxdamantus | It at least has debug tools, which is somewhat usable on the N900, sometimes useful. | 12:35 |
| Maxdamantus | or developer tools*, usual name for it. | 12:35 |
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| Maxdamantus | It seems reasonably fast, but it hits memory limits easily. | 12:36 |
| CatButts | oh, that explains the lovkup | 12:37 |
| CatButts | *the hang | 12:38 |
| CatButts | http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ I wonder how this would fair on the N900 | 12:38 |
| CatButts | it's C | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | microb can select text | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gossip has it fennec always been slower than plain firefox | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~shortcuts | 12:43 |
| infobot | methinks #maemo gestures is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures#Web_Browser_Gestures | 12:43 |
| Maxdamantus | Trying the old version of netsurf in the old version of debian, seems pretty smooth. | 12:47 |
| Maxdamantus | But the UI isn't very mobile-friendly. | 12:52 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect a decent solution for me would be using conkeror, possibly with the new version of Firefox that is supposedly more memory-efficient and possibly CPU-efficient. | 12:54 |
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| Maxdamantus | Though when I checked a week or two ago, Conkeror didn't work with it, since it's using a bunch of things that are no longer supported (but presumably people will be working on that) | 12:56 |
| Maxdamantus | I'd be pretty comfortable using Conkeror on mobile .. it's fairly keyboard-orientated, but I'd say it's in a good way. | 12:57 |
| CatButts | NetSurf is pretty much ahead of Dillo | 12:58 |
| CatButts | not sure how it compares performance-wise | 12:58 |
| CatButts | probably similar | 12:58 |
| Maxdamantus | I'd expect Dillo to be pretty much the same as Midori or Chrome, assuming they're all using the same version of WebKit/Blink | 12:59 |
| CatButts | Dillo does not use webkit | 13:00 |
| CatButts | own engine | 13:00 |
| CatButts | similarely with NetSurf | 13:00 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm, didn't realise that. | 13:01 |
| Maxdamantus | I think I was thinking of Epiphany. | 13:01 |
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| pkill9 | how do i update the certificate-authority certificates to the latest? I'm getting lots of SSL errors when using some commandline softwarez | 17:41 |
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| pkill9 | my clock and time is set correctly | 17:44 |
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| pkill9 | then again, MicroB verifies youtube correctly, so it seems to be restricted to python, specifically python3.4 | 18:27 |
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| pkill9 | hmm nvm, it's specifically in youtube-dl | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon | 18:45 |
| pkill9 | does he maintain the python3.4 package or the certificates? | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | latter | 19:12 |
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| kalin | does anyone have problem with usb connector on N900? | 19:49 |
| kalin | i have to replace my connector because i can't recharge battery | 19:49 |
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| kalin | now i recharge battery with old 5800XM :D | 19:50 |
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| pkill9 | you may need to fix your USB port kalin, that's a common problem with the n900 apparently | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix | 19:58 |
| infobot | i heard usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt, or to avoid breakage, see ~usb-unplug | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kalin: ^^^ | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, it's actually a common problem with a lot of handheld devices with micro-usb jacks | 20:00 |
| pkill9 | oh ok | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems a few N900 had poor soldering, but... most USB issues are probably just to blame to rough treatment by users | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usb-unplug | 20:02 |
| infobot | i guess usb-unplug is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4 | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my gf shown me "look, I need to place that Samsung note 2 to the edge of table, plug in the powerbank and hang it off the table on cable, to bend the USB so it starts charging" :-S | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike more tech affine people, some users seem to feel absolutely no pain while bending the USB violently in whatever direction. They don't even think it could snap and break | 20:05 |
| CatButts | is php5 suppose to be in RootFS? | 20:10 |
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| CatButts | /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 | 20:15 |
| CatButts | /usr/bin/php5-cgi | 20:15 |
| CatButts | I don't think I intend hosting website from my phone anytime soon :P | 20:16 |
| CatButts | and if I do, it certainly won't be php | 20:16 |
| CatButts | 17mb each file | 20:16 |
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| kalin | thanx guis | 20:21 |
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| kalin | i will try | 20:22 |
| kalin | i have a lot experiance with soldering | 20:23 |
| kalin | but first i have to find usb female connector and new speakers, because mine is damaged from beats audio driver mod | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kalin: seems about right for those jnowles speackers, doublecheck the exact size though! https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-pcs-Earpiece-Speaker-Receiver-For-Nokia-Lumia-822-520-E71-E66-N85-5800-5610-6500/32808465970.html?traffic_analysisId=recommend_3035_null_null_null&scm=1007.13338.80878.000000000000000&pvid=5dffa137-d68e-4891-a388-6d412979422f&tpp=1 | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-pcs-Earpiece-Speaker-Receiver-For-Nokia-Lumia-822-520-E71-E66-N85-5800-5610-6500/32808465970.html | 20:54 |
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| CatButts | is it me, or are not all extras-devel packages available through HAM | 22:28 |
| CatButts | only web interface | 22:28 |
| pkill9 | i think for libraries and stuff you need to use apt-get | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | only packages with user/* category show in ham | 22:37 |
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| Vajb | little update. I got the controller working with j2k and can pass letters to terminal, but can't figure out how to pass them to drnoksnes. No matter which of it's windows i choose, commands never get through. I was apple to feed them in while configuring keys, but not while game is running. So i guess drnoksnes takes keypresses in some other way | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | probably wrong window | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | could be solved if -X switch was working | 22:56 |
| Vajb | it can't be wrong window | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | there is a chance game looks for scancodes on a lower level than x | 22:57 |
| Vajb | it has three windows open while game runs and no matter which i choose they don't work | 22:57 |
| Vajb | yes that is what i suspect too | 22:58 |
| Vajb | also i noticed that if i start drnoksnes from xterm it doesn't support keyboard at all | 22:59 |
| Vajb | anyway, time for me to sleep | 23:00 |
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