IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2017-12-01

TheKitwith 2x it will be 1080x54000:00
Vajbok will do tomorrow or somewhere around the weekend. Now i better sleep00:00
WizzupTheKit: ack00:02
WizzupTheKit: don't think I'll get the device any time soon, but we can just as well test on hdmi on the droid400:02
* Wizzup zzz :) 00:03
Wizzupor just on intel I guess.00:03
TheKitnot sure what to do about 3D accel about Droid 400:03
TheKitgetting PowerVR is a pain, I can have some kind of accel with libhybris, but that requires ancient kernel and Android OpenGL ES 2 driver on Droid 4 is pretty nasty compared to newer devices...00:04
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CatButtsI suppose one disadvantage of magnetic usb connectors is attracting dirt that contains iron :P00:27
CatButtsbut that depends on the environments you take your phone in00:28
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DocScrutinizer05U recall a few reports that attested crappy quality of all those magnetic USB thingies00:58
DocScrutinizer05anyway if you get one, please report01:01
vectis3I have been using a magnetic usb charger cable for about 6 months now. Not had any issues so far.01:12
vectis3On my N900, that is.01:14
pkill9vectis3: does it charge from the mains properly? and does it properly transfer data to/from PC, etc properly?01:16
CatButtshow about flashing phone01:18
vectis3I've had no problems charging from the mains. I have used it to load rescueOS.01:19
vectis3I loaded rescueOS onto it from my laptop, but that is the only attempt at transfering data with it.01:25
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Vajbok. Stuck with joy2key so i tried somehing else. As i told earlier I noticed that /dev/input/keypad is ln -s to dev/input/event1 and that when js0 appears even4 gets created. So i ln -s js0 to event4, but that is still missing something09:13
Vajbguess i need something to listen to event4 and passing that to keypad presses, but no idea where to look at09:15
Vajbin joy2key the problem is that it can't find the window to direct keypresses to -X doesn't work as an argument and anything else i tried wont work either.09:16
KotCzarnyho hum. you might try wmctrl to list the windows then pass the proper window to j2k09:17
KotCzarnythere is also --scancodes option which might be doing something low level09:18
Vajbdrnoksnes says it is wm class drnoksnes_startup, but j2k doesn't seem to accept anything but plain -X as window argument09:18
KotCzarnywhat does wmctrl -l says?09:20
Vajbwait me to install it first09:21
Vajbhildon-status-menu, desktop, lots of hildon-home, 6 times sticky notes widget, 9 times kuvat (pictures in english) and three time x terminal09:24
KotCzarnyi meant with that emu running09:24
KotCzarnytry to copy paste it into j2k param09:25
KotCzarnykeep in mind it might need to be the first param09:25
Vajbu mean while line?09:25
KotCzarnyno, just Dr..09:25
KotCzarnybut case might matter09:25
Vajbbut there is minor problem. I can't launch wmctrl -l when actual game is running coz it gets killed when ever i unfocus it09:26
KotCzarnyuse ssh?09:26
Maxdamantus`ln -s js0 event4` probably isn't useful.09:27
KotCzarnyfor now i would like to just try to make it work09:27
Vajbbah :)09:27
Maxdamantusjs* and event* use different protocols.09:27
KotCzarnyit could be made into script later09:27
Maxdamantusevent* is a stream of `struct input_event`s .. js* is something else.09:27
Vajbok i'll try and report back. Now im on my way so can't make any ssh stuff09:28
Vajbshould i try -X Dr.... or -Dr...?09:28
Vajbor even X_Dr09:29
KotCzarnyjust joy2key "DrNokSnes" -someparams09:29
Maxdamantusjs* is a stream of `struct js_event`s.09:29
MaxdamantusSo unless some program figures out (by resolving the link, or figuring out the major/minor numbers of the open fd), it's just going to be interpreting nonsense if it opens a "js*" device when expecting an "event*" device or vice-versa.09:30
VajbMaxdamantus: i just tried to copy what somethign which works, does :)09:31
MaxdamantusIf you're not getting a "js*" device, it'll be because there's nothing in the kernel to create a js device from the input device.09:32
Vajbbtw isn't gamepad with buttons kinda event device?09:32
KotCzarnyyes, but js events09:32
MaxdamantusYes, that's why there's usually an event device created as well as a js device.09:32
Vajbhmm so i might be missing something from the kernel too?09:32
MaxdamantusDifferent applications can interpret the data from different devices.09:33
Vajbwhen i connect that gamepad it creates js0 and event4 and when i do cat js0 i got jibberish when i press buttons so it works in some level09:35
MaxdamantusOkay. If you want a similar thing without jibberish, I suspect `jstest` should be in the maemo repositories .. I think it's part of some SDL package.09:36
MaxdamantusHm, maybe not.09:37
Vajbyeah i have it. Failed to make it work and forgot it :D09:37
Vajbit is package joystick09:38
Vajband it works with command jstest09:38
MaxdamantusOkay, guess my package lists are probably out of date.09:38
Vajbi installed and tried to figure how to fire it up, but i was already lost when i typed joy and hit tab09:38
Maxdamantusjstest /dev/input/js009:39
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Maxdamantusand it should just keep printing the state of the joystick to stdout.09:39
Vajbyes i know now :)09:39
Vajbbut on my way to school so wont be able to test yet09:40
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Vajbwill report back in an 6 hours or so09:40
Vajbwould be neat to make this work to prevent me of doing something usefull ;)09:41
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Vajboh now that i remember. Maemo pdf readers, which i've used, lack one key feature. They don't remember the page were reading09:51
Vajbi kinda like the way iPod does that09:52
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Wikiwide Bootup reason: 32wd_to . Why did this unexpected reboot occur? What was the problem encountered by watchdog?10:32
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WikiwideWhy did C FM radio parrot back sounds it heard in microphone, instead of providing radio? Is it because of the headphones having a microphone?10:55
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* CatButts patiently waits for CSSU Testing to become installable again12:26
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sixwheeledbeastWhy is it not installable?12:38
CatButtsprobably starting from here12:39
CatButtsit tells me that cssu enabler is not found12:39
CatButtswhen using one-click install12:39
m14edThere is life on this channel ?12:40
KotCzarnydefine life12:40
m14edI pass on that12:41
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m14eddefine life that is12:41
CatButtsyou should try ##symbian m14ed :P12:41
CatButtssorry, I mean #symbian12:42
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CatButtsdamned freenode and its double hash fetish12:42
m14eddouble hash does make sense to old men12:43
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sixwheeledbeastI was aware of issues with thumb and curl but not that. Was the update tested before release like it normally is?12:44
CatButtsI tested it :P12:45
sixwheeledbeastlike a couple of people install it from an alternative repo before it's officially released to iron out problems?12:46
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Vajbis curl issue still waiting for me to try to update first curla and then cssu?14:45
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Vajbok it seems that jstest gives me sensible data15:19
Vajbnow i have button values to fill reasonable to j2k15:19
WizzupVajb: re: curl, try it, and let me know :)15:23
Vajbhaha ;)15:24
Vajbok and j2k still fails with "error cant find window to send events to"15:24
KotCzarnyvajb: even with adding window param?15:29
Vajbactually there r four new things with drnoksnes running rom15:30
KotCzarnyyou might also try su - user before15:30
Vajbnokia-n900 drnoksnes15:30
Vajbthen n/a drnoksnes - pinball dreams < twice15:30
Vajband n/a sd1_haa window15:31
Vajbi am starting to think that i wont be solving this15:39
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KotCzarnyho hum. n900 doesnt support wifi-n15:54
drathirbg i guess its normal for that time, and rare the power of device...15:59
KotCzarnyThe IEEE has approved the amendment, and it was published in October 200916:00
KotCzarnymissed by a year, eh16:01
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, since latest CSSU-T I have audio dropout (reproducible, identical) during charger-plugin-swoosh16:37
DocScrutinizer05not that this was a big issue by itself, but it points to a more generic problem16:38
DocScrutinizer05recaler totally roins audio since quite some time already. I wonder if something re PolypAudio changed that's causing all this16:41
DocScrutinizer05recaller totally ruins*16:42
Vajb\o/ i got it to register keypresses!16:45
Vajbinstalling x11-utils was the key16:46
Vajbnow it works via hexid of the window16:46
Vajbnow remains to be solved, how to figure out which is the spawning window id when i start rom...16:47
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DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: even today _many_ devices have no 5GHz WLAN, only 2.4GHz16:58
VajbDocScrutinizer05: i've been playing with gamepad settings on n900...16:59
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: 2.4Ghz should be considered dead, though.17:05
teotwakiToo much interference to get any kind of decent bandwidth.17:05
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: dead? nah, overcrowded17:05
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: That's what I meant17:06
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty happy with everybody and their dog and cat going 2.4, the less mess on 517:07
DocScrutinizer05for your convenience (CSSU-T12):  gconftool -s /apps/osso/status-area-applet-battery/show_charge_charging -t bool true17:09
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: that's the whole point of 5, though. Everyone can use it like crazy, but the shorter spread means you're not as affected.17:17
KotCzarnythe problem is not bandwidth, but human stupidity17:19
KotCzarnymake something free, get it thrashed17:19
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pkill9hmm i'd like this
pkill9using orange pi instead of raspberry pi for extra power18:39
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CatButtsdoes TV out on the n900 activate automagically when plugged in?19:37
KotCzarnyin clone mode19:37
CatButtsthen my cable is less than automagic19:37
CatButtsI solder doohickey19:38
KotCzarnysee pinout19:38
KotCzarnyseems ok19:38
KotCzarnycheck for continuity19:38
KotCzarnyalso if you dont have any shorts19:39
CatButtsseems ok19:41
CatButtsbetter put on some shorts :P19:41
KotCzarnybtw. orange pi uses same av cable pinout19:43
CatButtsdoes any symbol appear when TV-out is engaged?19:54
KotCzarnydont remember, let me check19:55
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KotCzarnyno symbol, but if you click on systray area (clock) it will have tv item19:59
KotCzarnyand will say 'tv enabled'20:00
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KotCzarnybut it will only show when you plug the yellow cable somewhere20:02
CatButtscan I plug only yellow cable?20:03
CatButtsI'll short it to see what happan20:03
KotCzarnyit was enough to plug the yellow one in the usb grabber, doesnt have to be plugged to pc20:03
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CatButtsshorting yellow cable gives me headset symbol20:05
KotCzarnyplug it into some grabber card?20:06
CatButtsplugged it into TV20:06
CatButtsnada on AV20:06
pkill9CatButts: you need to plug the TV out cable into TV first, then plug into n90020:07
CatButtsdid as well20:07
pkill9just checking :P20:07
CatButtsoh wait20:19
CatButtsTV says20:19
CatButtsVideo | L Audio R20:19
CatButtsnot IN20:19
KotCzarnyyou suck? ;)20:19
KotCzarnypray you didnt fry anything20:19
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* CatButts covers his willy in tin foil and sticks it in the mains outlet20:21
kalinhi all :)20:21
CatButtsuh, hello20:21
kalindid someone help me to install boot menu on my N900 pr1.320:22
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CatButts unrelated20:35
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kalini have installed boot menu21:21
kalinbut i have no option to boot from sd card21:21
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DocScrutinizer05let me put it this way: noot menu doesn't create options, it provides the options you configured21:34
DocScrutinizer05boot menu*21:34
DocScrutinizer05also actually boot menu isn't to select different boot systems. You use uBoot for that21:35
CatButtsdoes uBoot make BootMenu redundant?21:37
DocScrutinizer05alas uBoot comes with a wizard that creates uBoot boot entries from bootmenu file tree structure entries, which makes uBoot look like it was related to bootmenu, which it absolutely isn't21:38
DocScrutinizer05CatButts: no, botmenu is *after* kernel booted, just vefore "init" starts21:38
kalini installed Fanoush BootMenu21:39
CatButtsI mean, if you have uBoot, would you even need BootMenu?21:39
kalinuBoot does'nt rise in app manager21:40
DocScrutinizer05so bootmenu is pretty much the first regular program that runs *after* boot, while uBoot is a boot manager running to load kernel21:40
kalinso what i can do to boot from sd card?21:41
pkill9bootmenu is the thing that backs up your rootfs + optfs right?21:45
DocScrutinizer05basically yes. bootmenu starts backupmenu21:45
pkill9uboot lets you load different kernels, whereas bootmenu is kinda attached to the main kernel21:46
DocScrutinizer05kalin: learn how to create a uBoot entry pointing to your kernel and rootgs on uSD21:46
DocScrutinizer05roofs even21:46
CatButtscard must be formated in ext2/3 yes?21:47
DocScrutinizer05I'd think yes21:47
kalinDocScrutinizer05, i have no uBoot in app manager21:48
DocScrutinizer05at least one of the partitions21:48
pkill9if you have correct version of uboot, it can be formatted to ext421:48
DocScrutinizer05kalin: you probably won't install uBoot from app manager21:48
infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or
CatButtsI like siamese21:49
kalindid someone booted ubuntu mobile or arc linux from sd?21:50
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure, yes21:51
CatButtsdrivers are probably main caveat21:51
DocScrutinizer05yes, sure21:51
kalinnow i put kubuntu image with dd to sd card21:51
kalinbut never try this21:52
pkill9yeah i have kalin22:01
pkill9i documented all the issues i encountered22:01
pkill9if you're interested kalin
pkill9i don't use it tho, i switched back to CSSU maemo22:03
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ilewDocScrutinizer51: ping22:43
ilewmerlin1991: ping22:45
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ilewAre you able to update the file: '' and change the package line to 'package = community-ssu-enabler-testing'? doing that will fix the problem CatButts' is having.22:49
CatButtsilew: pong22:50
CatButtsI'll give that a spin22:51
ilewCatButts: Cheers22:52
MaxdamantusIt's probably not going to just work putting a kubuntu image on the SD card.22:53
MaxdamantusYou'd probably need to continue using your own kernel/modules, where you'd boot the system to the point where you can chroot/pivot_root and execv the desired init.22:55
DocScrutinizer05ilew: I'm not in the position to do this. Plase ask merlin199122:58
ilewWizzup: Vajb: Just tested on my dev device, running "apt-get install curl" will fix the dependency and allow you to do the CSSU update.22:58
DocScrutinizer05or, in emergency, ask techstaff aka warfare, xes22:59
DocScrutinizer05ilew: anyway, you should evaluate who's *responsible* for that domain23:00
DocScrutinizer05I'd assume resp edu-guess from URL that it's merlin199123:01
ilewDocScrutinizer05: I don't think being unable to install CSSU testing to be an emergency. So I'll just send merlin1991 an email.23:01
DocScrutinizer05ilew: who prepared and published T12?23:03
ilewDocScrutinizer05: I prepared and pushed it, but merlin1991 ran the import process because I don't have access to the box.23:04
DocScrutinizer05I see23:04
DocScrutinizer05so it's basically you who's responsible23:05
ilewYes, but no permission to do anything about it.23:05
DocScrutinizer05should fix that23:05
DocScrutinizer05seems there's an organizational issue23:06
DocScrutinizer05warfare: ping23:06
DocScrutinizer05warfare: are you aware of what's going on with responsibility for repo VM?23:06
DocScrutinizer05warfare: should ilew have access to that VM?23:07
DocScrutinizer05ilew: isn'23:09
DocScrutinizer05t that a topic for #maemo-ssu?23:09
ilewDocScrutinizer05: People were reporting problems with CSSU updates/installs here, so I thought I'd mention it here just so people can see someone is working on it.23:11
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CatButtsilew: it worked23:12
ilewCatButts: Great, enjoy the new update and thanks for confirming the fix.23:15
pkill9i really need to setup maemo SDK23:16
KotCzarnyjust grab vm image of the sdk?23:17
pkill9hmm yeah i will, i thought it would be a lot slower23:20
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KotCzarnyif you knew how and what, simple chroot fits in ~300MB23:22
KotCzarnyi have pasted the link somewhere in t.m.o23:23
pkill9i got scratchbox and ran the and scripts23:25
CatButtsis the battery indicator fix suppose to be turned on manually or does it come automagically with update?23:25
pkill9but i didn't move it to a suitable directory, it's just in my downloads directory23:25
pkill9i dunno if it registered that as the location somewhere23:25
pkill9what's the battery indicator fix CatButts?23:26
CatButts>When charging, reflect charge status in icon (e.g. battery half full: only upper half of icon animated);23:27
CatButtsoh yeah, needs manual enable23:27
CatButtsoh, the AV cable is working fine, I was just putting it in the wrong holes :P23:36
pkill9oh yeah that bothers me lol23:37
CatButtswhat's a gconf?23:37
pkill9gnome's config system i think23:38
CatButts>Can be enabled/disabled with gconf key /apps/osso/status-area-applet-battery/show_charge_charging23:39
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Wizzupilew: OK, will try that now23:59

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