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| pkill9 | is it possible to put .desktop files in .local/share/applications/hildon on the desktop? It doesn't appear in the menu for adding shortcuts to the desktop when in there, but it does appear in that menu when the .desktop file is in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 01:08 |
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| ilew | Wizzup: If you can't install the latest curl first via apt then install curl libcurl3 via dpkg using the debs from http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/c/curl/ | 09:47 |
| Wizzup | isn't the problem that the new libcurl was not build for thumb as well? | 09:50 |
| bencoh | shouldn't you have both repositories in place with some pinning/preference configuration when using thumb? | 09:51 |
| bencoh | (both -testing and -thumb) | 09:51 |
| Wizzup | I never did that before | 09:51 |
| Wizzup | So that'd be a new thing | 09:52 |
| bencoh | I use neither of them, so I'm basically asking | 09:52 |
| ilew | Aren't higher versions in test installed over thumb packages? | 09:52 |
| Wizzup | ilew: I think that's the problem here. I haven't seen what the new version of curl is, but I wrote the exact dep error in here | 09:52 |
| Wizzup | 11:59 < Wizzup> Unable to update 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package'. Conflict with application packages: curl (7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1+thumb1) | 09:52 |
| ilew | Wizzup: I think you'll get the same error if you have the non-thumb curl installed before the update. | 09:54 |
| Wizzup | Weird | 09:54 |
| ilew | Wizzup: Because curl has a dependency on libcurl3 and mp-freemantle-community-pr has a dependency on libcurl3 but not curl. | 09:54 |
| Wizzup | mm, so I can remove curl perhaps. | 09:55 |
| ilew | But it might try to remove libcurl3 with it? | 09:55 |
| Wizzup | Perhaps, yeah. | 10:02 |
| ilew | Wizzup: I'll reflash my n900 and try to get the same conflict. | 10:07 |
| Wizzup | let me know if you need more info from me | 10:14 |
| Wizzup | I'll mention the repos I have activated in a bit, have to do something first | 10:14 |
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| Vajb | Wizzup: i have same error, but without thumb part | 10:37 |
| Vajb | and obviously i don't have thumb installed | 10:37 |
| ilew | Vajb: Can you update curl before you install CSSU? | 10:37 |
| Vajb | i was planning to try and update curl via apt during weekend | 10:37 |
| Vajb | didn't try yet, but apt shows there is newer version of curl to be installed | 10:38 |
| Vajb | think i'll install backupmenu first still :) | 10:38 |
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| ilew | Wizzup: My dev phone can't seem to find my wifi network here. I'll have to test it on the weekend sorry. | 10:56 |
| Wizzup | okay, sure :) | 11:00 |
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| ilew | Wizzup: Actually try running 'dpkg -r --force-depends curl' | 11:07 |
| ilew | That will remove curl but keep libcurl3 installed still. | 11:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to all Mac users: check your security updates! | 14:07 |
| CatButts | mac hack | 14:10 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | oops, login as root with no password, affects High Sierra. | 14:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's considerably less machines affected than Intel's latest vulnerability tho. | 14:32 |
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| pkill9 | would this be a good thing to have in the n900 to reduce chance of usb breaking? https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Lightning-Magnetic-charging-transfer/dp/B074SK7SLG?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B074SK7SLG | 20:47 |
| pkill9 | sorry for large link | 20:47 |
| pkill9 | smaller link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Lightning-Magnetic-charging-transfer/dp/B074SK7SLG | 20:48 |
| CatButts | hmmmmmm | 20:48 |
| CatButts | I'd say yes | 20:48 |
| pkill9 | think i might get some | 20:49 |
| CatButts | I already did the thing involving lotsa solder, though :P | 20:49 |
| pkill9 | ah hehe | 20:49 |
| pkill9 | i don't wanna risk soldering, i think i need a soldering iron witha finer point anyway if i was to fix the usb port ont he n900 | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: just plug/unplug the usb proper and you will never have usb port problem | 20:50 |
| CatButts | I used my clunky 100W one | 20:50 |
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| KotCzarny | proper being 'no wiggling, no bending' | 20:50 |
| CatButts | you need to get camera flex cable out of the way | 20:50 |
| pkill9 | yeah, i do make sure to be careful when unplugging | 20:50 |
| pkill9 | and plugging | 20:50 |
| pkill9 | i just wanna reduce risk as much as possible, n900s are becoming rarer i think :P | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | get few spares, they are cheap, problem solved :P | 20:51 |
| pkill9 | true :p | 20:52 |
| CatButts | what's a convenient way to list applications installed through maemo's HAM to console? | 20:54 |
| CatButts | without whatever dependencies they have | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: for usbfix you need a decent beefy iron | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo usb | 21:14 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo usb' by key returned no results. | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo usb* | 21:14 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo usb*' by key returned no results. | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the F... | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys usb | 21:14 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'usb' by key (18 of 46): 2.4.18 usbnet ;; ibot's usb ;; marcusbrutus ;; musb ;; rdiff-backup-usbstorage ;; speedtouch usb ;; that if his wireless and usb ;; uk usb keyboards ;; unplug-usb ;; usb hci ;; usb howto ;; usb mice ;; usb mouse ;; usb networking ;; usb patch ;; usb-brush ;; usb-fix ;; usb-host. | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usb-unplug | 21:15 |
| infobot | usb-unplug is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4 | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal usb-unplug | 21:15 |
| infobot | "usb-unplug" is "http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4" | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<CatButts> what's a convenient way to list applications)) do a maemo-backup, then inspect the tarball backup file, it has a list of apps to re-install on restore | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not as straight as "list to console" but works | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mc helps a lot | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mc can browse into tarballs | 21:19 |
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| Vajb | hey. I got my bluetooth gamepad connected and buttonpresses are registered when i do "cat /dev/input/js0" but drnoksnes is still not seeing it. So obviously i need to tweak some more | 21:55 |
| Vajb | do i need to link that said js0 to some event or what should i do? | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | more likely you need to tell the app where your joy is | 21:55 |
| Vajb | can i link it to event1 which is already linked to keyboard? | 21:56 |
| Vajb | i guess not, but worth to ask | 21:56 |
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| Vajb | KotCzarny: i believe that is the case, but it seems kinda tricky to find correct place to search for | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | https://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-43050.html | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, seems it needs some configuration | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | this example probably maps js to kb input | 21:58 |
| Vajb | hmm is it safe to link two devices to same event? | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | as long you dont sit on the controller and press the buttons uncontrollably | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | on pc the usual way to map js for games was joy2key app | 22:01 |
| Vajb | ln whines that event exists already | 22:03 |
| Vajb | ln -s js0 event4 | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | no, not that event | 22:05 |
| Vajb | err 1 | 22:05 |
| Vajb | it claims ln: file exists | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | i mean, i thought you have used to map js0 to kb events | 22:06 |
| Vajb | nope | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | does drsnoksnes support js0 interface? | 22:07 |
| Vajb | i don't know | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | try running it with -h or --help param | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | or checking manual page | 22:07 |
| Vajb | there is only keyboard option | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | then there is high chance you need app to map js0 into kb events | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | usually using some app | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | check if joy2key is available in repos | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74303 | 22:10 |
| Vajb | doesn't seem to be in repos | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | lets see if it builds in sb | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23380 Nov 30 20:14 joy2key_1.6.3-1_armel.deb | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | want it? | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | https://31.135.195.151:20281/n900/joy2key_1.6.3-1_armel.deb | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | compiled in sb without any changes | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | so you can build yourself using files from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/joy2key or grab my deb | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | i didnt remove docs because they are tiny and useful | 22:19 |
| Vajb | oh, and it should just work out of the box then? :) | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | well, it would still require you to configure it to map presses to kb codes | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | but yeah, most likely | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | otoh might be useful to remotely control your n900 with gamepad ;) | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | one part where it could fail would be multi key presses, but up for you to test | 22:22 |
| Vajb | hey maybe something that would work with oscp as well :) | 22:23 |
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| KotCzarny | oscp has plethora of methods to control it | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | one could easily write remote app that would read js0/kb and send commands to oscp | 22:24 |
| Vajb | hehe ham says it is incompatible | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | huh? built in sdk o.o | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | where's my n900.. | 22:31 |
| * CatButts tries it on his phone that he's about to flash, anyway | 22:31 | |
| KotCzarny | worked fine with dpkg -i | 22:32 |
| CatButts | gui installer doesn't like it | 22:33 |
| CatButts | *ham | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | probably missing some maemo specific deb fields | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | and/or using wrong pkg category | 22:34 |
| Vajb | i see | 22:34 |
| Vajb | hmm also noticed that event4 got created at the same time js0 connects | 22:34 |
| Wizzup | this should work with python2.5 if you use the compat mode - https://github.com/MerlijnWajer/uinput-mapper | 22:35 |
| Wizzup | I had it packaged for maemo at some point, but I don't know where. | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | Section: x11 | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | might be the reason ham dislikes it | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, since it doesnt requires anything special you might just go with dpkg -i | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | in this case | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | or even unpack the binary and copy to /usr/local/bin or something | 22:37 |
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| * CatButts lazilly screencaps all pages of HAM installed-app catalog | 22:50 | |
| CatButts | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348544204072288257/385899863998464000/Screenshot-20171130-210149.png | 23:08 |
| CatButts | hmmmm | 23:08 |
| CatButts | peculiar | 23:08 |
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| CatButts | does this have anything to do with recent update, or did I botch something up? | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | you did botch something | 23:15 |
| CatButts | I reflashed combined | 23:16 |
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| CatButts | added muarf_all | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | VSSU isn't included in any of the standrad repos, since it's a repo of its own | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU even | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | VSSU enabler istalls the CSSU repo | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, CSSU | 23:17 |
| CatButts | the .install file comes with this new repo | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you install CSSU-enabler by one-click on ~CSSU | 23:18 |
| CatButts | I did, from maemo wiki | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously not, after full flash | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-11-30 Thu 22:16:34] <CatButts> I reflashed combined | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-11-30 Thu 22:16:43] <CatButts> added muarf_all | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now fo and install CSSU | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go* | 23:19 |
| CatButts | I am not sure where you are taking me | 23:21 |
| CatButts | do I need to reflash emmc as well? | 23:21 |
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| CatButts | are you saying I reflashed combined AFTER trying to install CSSU? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you flashed rootfs and this nuked sources.list(.d/*) | 23:21 |
| CatButts | yes | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so for whatever reason you want to upgrade cssu-enabler, it's not found since the CSSU repo is not in spources.list | 23:22 |
| CatButts | then I added muarf all, then tried one-click install file | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or did you try to one-click install CSSU when that error popped up? | 23:23 |
| CatButts | ^yes | 23:24 |
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| CatButts | using testing variant | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, I also noticed something very strange: some "os-upgrade" package | 23:24 |
| CatButts | didn't try release | 23:24 |
| CatButts | *stable | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did somebody rename some package on CSSU-T? | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did anybody *test* the new CSSU-T release? | 23:26 |
| CatButts | I did! | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "Operating System" WTF? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I can install this thing until I get blue in the face, it stays in "updates" - size 0kB | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Program: Operating System (magic:sys) Updates to all system packages | 23:30 |
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| CatButts | I guess I'll wait, then | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Community SSU (testing) enabler This will install Maemo 5 Community SSu (testing) update" | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "community-ssu-enabler Scripts, GPG keys and Zone files for Community SSU catalogs" | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SIC | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the latter without icon | 23:35 |
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| CatButts | I broke Maemo :P | 23:35 |
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| pkill9 | is it possible to connect an external monitor via usb to the n900 and output at higher resolutions? | 23:36 |
| Wizzup | https://jmcomms.com/2017/11/29/gemini-pda-20-years-on-meet-the-all-new-psion-series-5/ | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC http://paste.opensuse.org/31097148 | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: forget about it, single core at 500mhz is already severely limited | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ükin theory yes, there are USB attached "graphics cards" | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: ^^^ | 23:38 |
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| KotCzarny | not to mention memory limited | 23:38 |
| pkill9 | yeah, i guess a separate device like a raspberry pi would be better | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm I guess "Operating System" only shows with special redpill settings in HAM | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's this DisplayPort or whatever it's called | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* work for text and graphics but for sure will suck badly on refresh rate for video | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you'd need a maemo compiled driver for it | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: forget about rpi, go orange pi! | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | : | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | ) | 23:42 |
| CatButts | I've yet to get off me bum and solder the 3.5 to composite cable | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're probably better off with mere remote-X11 though | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | via TCP | 23:43 |
| pkill9 | KotCzarny: looks interesting | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | https://linux-sunxi.org/Table_of_Allwinner_based_boards | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | here, for comparison | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | oranges at the bottom | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | one nice thing is mainline kernel support for a20, h3, h5 etc | 23:45 |
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| pkill9 | seriously tho, $25?? that's so cheap for everything it has | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | consider boards with emmc | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | 30-50MB/s isnt bad | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | much better than sd (which is limited to 22MB/s max) | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | best deal is orange pi pc +2e | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | 16gb emmc, 2gb ram | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | still, they are quite weak for the desktop usage | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | good for android toys, movie players, linux home servers etc | 23:47 |
| pkill9 | yeah | 23:47 |
| pkill9 | that's what i was thinking of it for | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | you can also get cheap A33 based tablet for ~30-40usd | 23:48 |
| pkill9 | A33 is CPU? | 23:48 |
| TheKit | <Wizzup> https://jmcomms.com/2017/11/29/gemini-pda-20-years-on-meet-the-all-new-psion-series-5/ | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | not cpu, soc | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | cpu is either a7 or a53 | 23:48 |
| pkill9 | what's soc? | 23:48 |
| TheKit | wonder how Maemo will look on that | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | system-on-chip | 23:48 |
| pkill9 | ah | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | ie. complete computer in one chip | 23:49 |
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| Vajb | ok i can't seem to make it fly tonight | 23:55 |
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| KotCzarny | vajb: make it work in xterm first | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | ie. map the js buttons to some keys a b c d etc | 23:56 |
| Vajb | it works there, but now it whines it doesn't have window to send commands to | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | try -x11 switch? | 23:57 |
| Vajb | i guess -X is not valid argument in maemo or i need something else | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | erm -X | 23:57 |
| Wizzup | TheKit: me too :p | 23:57 |
| Wizzup | TheKit: the res is very high | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: maybe you can try rootwin as window name | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | or "" | 23:59 |
| TheKit | GTK+3 supports HiDPI, but currently only integer-scaling | 23:59 |
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