IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-11-21

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CatButtseasy debian isn't all that bad00:22
CatButtsa tad bit slow :P00:22
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OksanaaX depends on Y. I do 'apt-get purge Y'. Does it remove or purge X?02:53
RST38hit does not02:54
RST38hdo autoremove afterwards02:56
OksanaaIs there an autopurge?02:58
OksanaaAh, no, you misread the question.02:58
OksanaaIt's X depending on Y, not Y depending on X.02:58
OksanaaBut still, would 'apt-get autopurge' or 'apt-get autoremove --purge' work?02:59
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DocScrutinizer05never NEVER do autoremove05:00
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infobotrumour has it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam05:26
infobotwell, hamvsfam is, or
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CatButtswhat's the standby time of a nokia n900?07:40
CatButtsI think my battery is whack07:40
KotCzarnyinstall battery-eye07:40
KotCzarnynormal power draw should be 8-10mA07:41
KotCzarnyif its higher, you have something wrong with your device07:41
KotCzarnystatistics will show after a week or two, so keep that in mind07:41
KotCzarnybut you can still estimate how much it draws from the slope of the plot07:42
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KotCzarnyoksanaa: yes, autoremove --purge does its job07:43
KotCzarnybut you have to watch out, on maemo autoremove might bootloop your device07:59
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CatButts>Unfortunately Maemo has a very snappish watchdog that reboots your phone if it thinks it hangs due to a runaway process.09:11
CatButtswell, that explains why it chokes on lzma with large files09:12
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MaxdamantusIt's not *that* snappish.09:24
MaxdamantusThe reason it would cause it with lzma is mostly likely that lzma is using too much memory.09:24
Maxdamantusso everything is in swap.09:24
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DocScrutinizer05autoremove *WILL* wreck your system, even when you don't get bootloop right away. Subtle dysfunctions detected after weeks or months are even worse than bootloop11:29
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sixwheeledbeasta battery monitor would use a little extra battery power while your using it too.11:55
KotCzarnyswb: from my observations it only gather data at user activity points anyway11:56
KotCzarnyie. enabling/disabling screen, charger connect/disconnect etc11:56
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DocScrutinizer05one of the battery monitoring apps was rather a battery capacity tester doing fast discharge12:20
DocScrutinizer05that said, if the app gathers data only while visible or on activity points then it's absolutely fine. I also dodn't see any negative effects from a ` 30` loop, nota bene as long as displaying to a xterm, untested are effects of redirecting output to a file12:22
DocScrutinizer05and for the generic question of standby time I think I've seen before: the device stays up a 10 days in locked mode without wlan and SIM12:25
DocScrutinizer05on WLAN with ssh session and GSM in standby, my device still does several days, mayve 3 maybe 7, not tested it for long time12:26
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CatButts so many oportunities to tweak, so many to brick :P14:41
CatButtsI just want to reduce UI element size14:42
Vajbeasiest would be to just use binoculars backwards ;)14:43
bencohCatButts: did you get a n9 as well?14:44
CatButtsoh wait14:46
CatButtsn9, not n90014:47
CatButtsI am really not paying attention today14:48
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CatButtsI am liking the chroot linux thing on the n90015:48
CatButtswhat would it take to roll own linux image?15:48
CatButtsand how far can I get15:48
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freemangordonCatButts: there is already devuan n900 image16:06
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