IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2017-11-22

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* Oksanaa often uses WLAN, has a SIM card, has to use 3G (2G disappeared in Australia), and said 3G often lacks signal (because Telstra network uses 3G 850MHz band for much of coverage) which might increase drain when phone tries to find non-existent tower02:27
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OksanaaThat said, I currently have an uptime of 1 day 3 hours 35 minutes, and battery indicator isn't red yet. Despite using Bluetooth, filming a video, watching the video, and Bluetoothing this video over to a computer.02:34
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OksanaaI wish I could tell cellular modem to shut down when I am in range of certain WiFi networks (and for phone to auto-connect to said WiFi networks, so that SIP would work instead of cellular)02:58
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DocScrutinizer05I think my N900 does exactly that, OOTB04:12
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CatButtsSoftFP ABI vs HardFP ABI13:44
CatButtswhich one runs on N900?13:44
CatButtsand if both, which one is preferable?13:45
CatButtsregarding precompiled packages that come in multiple flavours13:45
CatButtspackages meant to run on maemo13:52
Hurrian_fremantle is armel, all system libs are softfp13:53
CatButtsso I shouldn't touch hardfp debs, yes?13:54
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CatButtshttps://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/1140 there we go13:59
CatButtsthe answer is no14:00
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Maxdamantusand also, standard Debian "armhf" won't work on N900 because of the CPU bugs.14:17
MaxdamantusSince debian armhf assumes thumb2.14:17
Maxdamantus(won't work reliably, at least)14:18
CatButtsyou mean the two erratas in the wiki that require specially patched kernel?14:21
CatButtsas context https://wiki.maemo.org/Java#Sun_Java_SE_for_embedded this is what I'm trying14:22
CatButtswith java 714:22
bencohMaxdamantus: there are software workarounds to the thumb2 issues ... aren't they merged?14:22
bencoh(merged in kernel and toolchain)14:24
bencohafaict the "thumb" toolchain is a linaro one14:25
bencohand the first errata fix is present in mainline/vanilla14:26
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CatButtsOh hey, I got java running, that's kinda sad14:46
CatButts:p14:46
CatButtsOpenJDK is sucky14:47
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CatButtsofficial embedded superior14:47
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CatButtshttps://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-users@maemo.org/msg13950.html how would I go about using wmctrl on an application that has yet to launch?15:10
CatButtsfrom CLI15:11
CatButtsas opposed to dedicating a shortcut key15:14
CatButtsaka command wrapper15:14
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DocScrutinizer05maemo uses softfp: Hardware floating point using the soft floating point ABI.  passing floats through integer registers to a lib that moves them to the FP registers, and provides results back to caller via interger registers (or stack?). The speed penalty isn't as large as you might think since both use hardware coproc for the heacy lifting (if available, in case of softfp)15:38
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DocScrutinizer05Thumb is pretty much orthogonal to this15:40
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CatButtshmmmm18:11
CatButtsis it possible to detect from CLI if a proccess has a window, on Maemo?18:12
CatButtsI'd have to get the PID on launch, somehow18:12
CatButtsand when the timing is right, I force proccess fullscreen with wmctrl18:14
CatButtsor maybe xdotool18:15
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DocScrutinizer05I think that's not really how hildon works20:27
DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure if matchbox supports it20:27
DocScrutinizer05if I'm not mistaken and matchbox is _not_ our xserver (except maybe in early boot, or at all)20:28
DocScrutinizer05~ükf20:29
DocScrutinizer05~pkg20:29
infobothmm... pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/20:29
DocScrutinizer05ummm  http://maemo.org/packages/view/xserver-xomap/20:29
DocScrutinizer05anyway http://maemo.org/packages/view/xdotool/20:31
DocScrutinizer05CatButts:20:35
DocScrutinizer05           --sync20:35
DocScrutinizer05               Block until there are results. This is useful when you are launching an application want want to wait until the application window is visible.  For example:20:35
DocScrutinizer05                google-chrome &20:35
DocScrutinizer05                xdotool search --sync --onlyvisible --class "google-chrome"20:35
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DocScrutinizer05man xdotool is awesome20:41
DocScrutinizer05swiss army knife20:41
DocScrutinizer05one thing it lacks: record macros20:42
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Maxdamantus01:22:58 < bencoh> Maxdamantus: there are software workarounds to the thumb2 issues ... aren't they merged?20:54
Maxdamantusbencoh: aiui, there are two issues .. one is worked around in a kernel, the other is worked around in userspace.20:55
Maxdamantusbencoh: so even if you're using a kernel with the workaround, the Debian armhf userspace is still subject to the other issue.20:55
Maxdamantusas DocScrutinizer05 alluded to, the issue isn't "hardfp" itself. The issue is just that Debian's "hardfp" distribution makes use of thumb2 as if it works correctly.20:57
Maxdamantuser, Debian's "armhf" distribution*20:57
MaxdamantusOh, maybe it's enabled by default already: https://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00297.html21:09
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CatButtshttps://github.com/jordansissel/xdotool/issues/1421:30
CatButtsfun21:30
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CatButtshttps://pastebin.com/LtXpCQQ5 I tried22:23
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CatButtsI think at this stage, I should look into how Easy Debian does it22:48
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