| Maxdamantus | atk: but you trust all the binary blobs you run on N900 that were provided by Nokia? | 00:03 |
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| atk | of course not, but they're way more manageable and can be slowly removed | 00:03 |
| atk | and are way easier to audit | 00:03 |
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| sunshavi | CatButts: nice and great. It's going to be useful when i need to load files | 00:34 |
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| Maxdamantus | anyway, as for "shouldn't really be running programs you don't trust on any device", that would mean you basically can't look at any website. | 00:45 |
| Maxdamantus | Because the current web is built around the idea that you don't have to trust the content of random things your web browser happens to load. | 00:46 |
| Maxdamantus | Since even though they involve running arbitrary computations on your computer, there shouldn't generally be a way for a website to access files from your filesystem or read/write memory in other processes. | 00:48 |
| Maxdamantus | in iOS (and presumably Android), that pattern extends to all "apps" you run on the device, even though they involve running native ARM code. | 00:48 |
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| Maxdamantus | in Maemo, everything is just running as either "user" or "root" and they can use standard features in Linux to access files/processes owned by that user. | 00:50 |
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| Oksanaa | Whatever sandboxing Android and such try to use, I am guessing that their drivers aren't Minix-style safe. | 01:54 |
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| Maxdamantus | Are you referring to the systems Intel are running in their chipsets? | 02:10 |
| Maxdamantus | If so, no, nothing is safe from something the CPU or chipset might decide to do. | 02:11 |
| Maxdamantus | as for what sandboxing would be sufficient, you can already do sufficient sandboxing, even on Linux 2.6 | 02:13 |
| Maxdamantus | though at that point you'd need to worry about possible privilege escalation exploits that have been developed since then. | 02:13 |
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| Oksanaa | Hmm... I didn't know about Minix-inside-x86 when I was saying that. | 02:23 |
| Oksanaa | I just referred to microkernel operating system being inherently safer from malicious drivers. | 02:24 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah, okay. | 02:25 |
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| Maxdamantus | So hopefully running apps will generally not involve loading kernel drivers provided by the app. | 02:26 |
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| CatButts | ~flash | 07:18 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 07:18 |
| CatButts | ~adobe | 07:26 |
| infobot | it has been said that adobe is an array of lawyers. I could tell you what it means, but I'd have to Killu | 07:26 |
| CatButts | ~macromedia | 07:27 |
| infobot | macromedia is probably http://www.macromedia.com | 07:27 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders what Killuing is. | 07:29 | |
| Oksanaa | It's in Net-Speak | 07:36 |
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| CatButts | does N900 touchscreen replacement involve dealing with icky-sticky glue? | 12:17 |
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| hurrian | IIRC no, the N900 screen isn't optically bonded to the digitizer | 12:48 |
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| jkepler | Oksanaa: do you know if there's a Minix-style OS one can run on the N900? | 12:57 |
| bencoh | jkepler: http://wiki.minix3.org/doku.php?id=developersguide:minixonarm | 13:00 |
| bencoh | I guess you could port there work to n900 | 13:00 |
| bencoh | since the beaglebone is quite close hardware-wise | 13:01 |
| bencoh | the omap3 one at least | 13:01 |
| bencoh | but no jtag and serial would make it quite painful | 13:03 |
| bencoh | (and +no serial) | 13:03 |
| jkepler | Thanks. Porting it's above my current skill-level, but maybe one day, as I learn more about operating systems. | 13:24 |
| CatButts | coincidentally, I was reading http://wiki.maemo.org/R%2526D_mode | 13:32 |
| CatButts | regarding serial | 13:33 |
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| CatButts | hmm, no escape key on Maemo keypad | 14:57 |
| CatButts | it's kinda funny when you have applications that assume desktop key layouts | 14:58 |
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| joga | CatButts, it can be added | 16:10 |
| joga | or, uh... nm, guess I misunderstood what you meant.. | 16:10 |
| CatButts | the menus of Quake 2, you can never escape! | 16:20 |
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| joga | CatButts, just use console to set all settings ;) | 18:07 |
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| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ /etc/apt/preferences.d? | 18:21 |
| timeless | i'm having trouble using it w/ two files :-( | 18:21 |
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| timeless | ok, turns out i just can't read the `apt-policy` output correctly :) | 18:27 |
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| CatButts | http://www.mediafire.com/file/6y8x0ob9g8p7khw/adobe-flashplayer-10.deb oh goody | 19:48 |
| CatButts | joga, what's the tilde, then :P | 19:54 |
| joga | haven't tried... but you can atleast rebind stuff in the config if all else fails :) | 19:56 |
| * CatButts fetches htop urgently to kill orphaned, cpu munching flash player | 20:05 | |
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| CatButts | I like Flash, I can run code at 5 times more CPU usage and warm my hands at the same time | 20:57 |
| CatButts | ok on PC, not so much on the n900 :P | 20:57 |
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| sicelo | CatButts: maemo applications do not assume desktop key layouts. | 21:19 |
| CatButts | to reword my statement, ported applications that expect keys found on standard desktop keyboards, but not so much the n900 | 21:21 |
| CatButts | Is the 'Community SSU' app catalogue a subset of 'Community SSU (testing)'? | 21:23 |
| sicelo | you can map Esc to something too :-) ... and any other pc key you need | 21:24 |
| sicelo | Is the 'Community SSU' app catalogue a subset of 'Community SSU (testing)'? - maybe consider them to be distributions (debian). community suu is what we call Stable, and the othr is self-explanatory. you will typically 'track' only one of them at a given time | 21:28 |
| CatButts | yes, one of them is disabled in my catalogue list | 21:30 |
| CatButts | was wondering if stable has applications not in testing | 21:30 |
| sicelo | no | 21:32 |
| sicelo | all CSSU flavors contain updated versions of stock applications. nothing extra | 21:33 |
| sicelo | so it follows that they will have the same number of applications (might not be exactly the same, but you get the idea) | 21:33 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | if anything testing has alternatives to the stock versions but nothing extra. Maybe Orientation Applet but that's it. | 23:51 |
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