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| CatButts | welp | 00:23 |
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| CatButts | none of the wiki links help | 00:23 |
| CatButts | for updating | 00:24 |
| CatButts | does OTA work anymore? | 00:44 |
| CatButts | strangely, can't connect to wireless | 00:56 |
| CatButts | I can detect networks | 00:56 |
| CatButts | browser fails to us | 00:56 |
| pkill9 | has anyone tried porting qt5 to maemo? | 01:23 |
| pkill9 | /compiling it for qt5 | 01:24 |
| pkill9 | maemo* | 01:24 |
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| CatButts | CSSU testing, yes? | 01:42 |
| pkill9 | oh, where can i find CSSU packages? I searched using maemo.org/packages | 01:44 |
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| Oksanaa | What does CrawlDirectory stand for? And, I think that tracker-cfg GUI adds /home/user/MyDocs/ instead of $HOME/MyDocs/ when I use GUI. What is the significance of the difference? | 02:30 |
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| whitepony | hello | 09:31 |
| Vajb | off topic q. Pwd > file prints nothing in file. What to use instead? | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | try lowercase | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | pwd > file | 09:40 |
| Vajb | ah i did it like that, but now in channel I felt like respecting rules of using captal letter after dot. | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | you never modify commands used for the sake of human grammar | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | what does pwd alone print? | 09:41 |
| Vajb | I stand corrected. | 09:41 |
| Vajb | it prints /home/vajb | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | check if you can write to the file | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | ie. echo 123 > file | 09:42 |
| Vajb | can | 09:43 |
| Vajb | hmm now it did work | 09:43 |
| Vajb | does it matter if i use it after pipe? | 09:43 |
| KotCzarny | remember that > is special, for example >2 might do something else than > 2 | 09:43 |
| KotCzarny | also, always paste EXACT comman line that you are struggling with | 09:44 |
| Vajb | as of "users > file | pwd >> file"? | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | um | 09:45 |
| Vajb | exact line is "date > file | users >> file | pwd >> file" | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | if you want multiple redirections you need 'tee' command to duplicate output | 09:45 |
| Vajb | all but pwd part wprks | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | ie. date | tee > file | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise first redirection eats stream and you get empty | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | tee has -a option for append | 09:46 |
| Vajb | i thought >> should take care of that | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | also think about it, its named pipe for a reason | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | it has one in, one out | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | once you flush it somewhere, nothing else gets out | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | >> is just append version of > | 09:47 |
| Vajb | i see | 09:49 |
| Vajb | tried with "date | tee > file | pwd | tee > file" and got just date. Obviously i didn't understand something :D | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | nono | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | date | tee file | tee file2 | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | and keep in mind what commands do | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | some ignore input, | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | so in this case there are two gotchas, tee file already writes to file, adding > redirects its output again | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | and second, try: echo 123 | date | 09:52 |
| Vajb | it seems i can't make it to work as instructed | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | doing homework? | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:54 |
| Vajb | yeah :D | 09:55 |
| Vajb | task is to write one liner which writes date, users and current working directory in to a file | 09:55 |
| Vajb | i got all but working directory there | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | i can solve it for you | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess it wouldnt be proper | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:56 |
| Vajb | tell me, is pwd even the correct command? | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | hint: echo $PWD | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | also, does one liner means one stream of commands or just multiple commands that just fit in one line? | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | another hint: echo "123 `date`" | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | but i've already told too much | 09:58 |
| Vajb | it says one command or commands in one line | 10:00 |
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| CatButts | hey guys, any reccomendation for an awfully scratchy screen? | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | external part is cheap | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | find any broken device and exchange | 10:20 |
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| CatButts | http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_n95_tvout_pinout.shtml | 10:40 |
| CatButts | hmmmm | 10:40 |
| CatButts | this smells like DIY to me | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | just buy the cable used | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | i've paid 2 usd with shipping locally | 10:41 |
| CatButts | pffft | 10:42 |
| * CatButts puts down soldering hammer | 10:42 | |
| KotCzarny | also, there is a chance cable will be included with the damaged replacement device you will find | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | image quality sucks anyway | 10:43 |
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| Vajb | KotCzarny: i solved it by using ; instead of | :) | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, but best would be: echo -e "$PWD\n`date;users`" > file | 11:43 |
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| Vajb | gotta love it stuff. Always more than one solution :) | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | exactly | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | and when you start using some interpreted languages (perl/php/python/ruby) it's a whole new world | 11:59 |
| Vajb | yeah. So far it's been only typescript | 12:03 |
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| CatButts | ~palmos | 15:43 |
| infobot | palmos is probably the second finest OS this bot knows about | 15:43 |
| CatButts | hehe | 15:43 |
| CatButts | ~garnetvm | 15:43 |
| CatButts | https://www.okazii.ro/geam-cu-touchscreen-nokia-n900-negru-original-a189865397 | 15:46 |
| CatButts | yeeeeee | 15:46 |
| CatButts | just my luck | 15:46 |
| CatButts | Where can I find Garnet VM besides the now defunct Access gvm page? | 15:57 |
| CatButts | archive.org is not working at the moment | 15:58 |
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| sicelo | ~maemo | 17:39 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo was http://maemo.org or freenode #maemo | 17:39 |
| atk | so, I've flashed this new N900 board to stock everything | 17:39 |
| atk | and I applied CSSU and some stuff | 17:39 |
| atk | what's the easiest way to move contacts and message history/call history over from another N900? | 17:40 |
| atk | just backup communication and calendar on one and restore it all on the other? | 17:41 |
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| sicelo | atk: sounds correct | 17:55 |
| whitepony | hello | 17:55 |
| sicelo | hi whitepony | 17:56 |
| atk | the backup program sits at 0% forever | 18:03 |
| whitepony | wwwwwwwwwww | 18:07 |
| whitepony | sorry | 18:07 |
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| sicelo | atk: it is slow iirc. anyway, try doing backup immediately after reboot. | 18:09 |
| atk | that didn't work either, I'm just going to download this "glogarchive" program which can apparently just backup the comms | 18:10 |
| atk | incidentally, is it possible to boot the n900 without a screen attached? | 18:10 |
| sicelo | maybe your el-v1.db is too big for the backup program to handle. delete some conversations, etc. | 18:11 |
| atk | hmm | 18:12 |
| sicelo | you can also exports contacts as vcards. | 18:12 |
| atk | I keep all my spam emails in a big archive, do you think I'm just going to delete some conversations? :P | 18:12 |
| atk | I exported the contacts, but I want the SMS history on the new phone | 18:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | default backup program yes. can take a while | 18:13 |
| sicelo | if all else fails, extract the from the bd. it's sqlite | 18:13 |
| sicelo | s/bd/db/ | 18:14 |
| infobot | sicelo meant: if all else fails, extract the from the db. it's sqlite | 18:14 |
| atk | ok, that works too... I'll do that if all else fails | 18:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | aren't emails stored in elsewhere | 18:14 |
| atk | on my server, yes | 18:15 |
| atk | I don't care about the emails on the phone though... | 18:15 |
| atk | wait... if backup backs up emails on the phone... that would explain why it takes ages | 18:15 |
| atk | I do indeed have maybe 20000 unarchived spam emails, but the N900 shouldn't have downloaded them | 18:15 |
| atk | I'll delete that email account from the phone first and maybe try again... | 18:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sorry I mean on the device, not in the .db | 18:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have just started a backup now, lets see how long it takes. I have no email accounts on the device at the moment. | 18:22 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | backup just finished, but sat on 0% for ages | 18:27 |
| atk | oh | 18:29 |
| atk | well, I've just started it again after deleting the email account | 18:30 |
| atk | another question: how do I install uboot? | 18:30 |
| sicelo | same way you install everything else - application manager. (or apt-get, which is not generally recommended) | 18:32 |
| atk | oh, so it's just a package? | 18:33 |
| atk | also: yay! the backup is now at 7% | 18:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~uboot | 18:34 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 18:34 |
| atk | ok | 18:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | packages are in the thread with instructions | 18:35 |
| atk | only 31MB of SMS | 18:36 |
| atk | that seems like a lot actually... I don't text that many people | 18:37 |
| atk | ok, time to replace the motherboard with one with a working keyboard | 18:37 |
| atk | and a working a lot of other things | 18:37 |
| atk | I do hope the SIM and SD slots work | 18:37 |
| atk | it's out of an N900 which looks like it was dropped, hopefully no BGA cracks | 18:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Think my backup was 67MB I did everything | 18:39 |
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| atk | moment of truth... | 18:46 |
| atk | time to see if it can make and take calls | 18:46 |
| atk | I'm sure apple will remove that feature from their phones in the next version, so it might not seem as important. | 18:47 |
| atk | it connected to my network :D | 18:48 |
| bencoh | congratz | 18:48 |
| atk | need to wait for the network configuration messages | 18:49 |
| atk | it makes and takes calls and receives SMS | 18:52 |
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| atk | now I'll see if that backup worked | 18:52 |
| atk | What's the recommended GPS program for the N900? | 18:55 |
| sicelo | maps, you mean? modrana | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/4081970 | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | el-v1.db >1MB means your device comes to a grinding halt | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe 2MB | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a flaw in maemo that Nokia sw engineers never considered to fix: el-v1.db can grow to insane mad size and no process will ever take care to clean that stuff out | 18:59 |
| atk | 600k here | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another flaw: missing call end time, fixed by stored procedures patch, see ~jrtools | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: for GPS test there's a tool | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/location-test-gui/ | 19:05 |
| bencoh | there's also a more complete, opensource one | 19:05 |
| bencoh | gpsdata iirc | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nore complete? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more* | 19:07 |
| bencoh | shows satellites / strength | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ does | 19:08 |
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| atk | sicelo: it's complaining about libespeak and espak-data being missing | 19:08 |
| atk | Are those in testing/devel somewhere? | 19:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have used gpsdata | 19:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | modrana is more for mapping then GPS | 19:09 |
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| atk | It would be nice to have something from walking-around mapping and also for driving navigation | 19:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maybe best to pull the master tree from github if you want modrana. I still haven't heard back about getting an updated version in extras-devel. | 19:10 |
| atk | Is it normal for N900 to lock on very slowly (GPS) ? My previous N900 and this N900 both seem to take a while to actually get an accurate reading | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | takes like 20s here. with SIM | 19:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | A-GPS should be quick, without can take minutes | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you got no SIM and no working SUPL, then... it can take 30min or forever | 19:12 |
| atk | A-GPS? | 19:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | supl a-gps | 19:13 |
| atk | Maybe both devices had a broken SUPL then | 19:13 |
| atk | Because I've had it take minutes and this is taking minutes | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most likely | 19:13 |
| atk | oh well, no GPS for me :P | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~supl | 19:13 |
| infobot | supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen | 19:13 |
| atk | any map viewer then? | 19:13 |
| sicelo | that factooid should be updated. | 19:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | supl.google.com no longer works, only fix at the moment is hacking the hosts file. | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feel free :-) | 19:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo supl | 19:14 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as supl | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo #maemo supl | 19:14 |
| infobot | #maemo supl -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri Feb 8 08:26:00 2013 (1740 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 56s ago. | 19:14 |
| atk | sixwheeledbeast: what do you mean hacking the hosts file? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal supl | 19:14 |
| infobot | "#maemo supl" is "<reply> supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen" | 19:14 |
| sicelo | atk: modrana for something FOSS. for my needs, built-in Ovi Maps works fantastic. | 19:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am going afk, sicelo knows ;) | 19:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bbl | 19:15 |
| bencoh | atk: 52.22.201.16 supl.nokia.com | 19:16 |
| atk | can't I just put the IP in the entry box? (I presume I can't) | 19:17 |
| sicelo | iirc that doesn't work. you ae welcome to test :-) | 19:18 |
| bencoh | I suppose you'd have some ssl verification issue then, but dunno :) | 19:19 |
| sicelo | note that supl doesn't work without some updates to the certman packages. see tmo. | 19:19 |
| bencoh | ah, right, there's that too | 19:19 |
| bencoh | although it works here with stable-ish cssu (and I don't think I manually updated certman) | 19:19 |
| atk | having a working keyboard... | 19:20 |
| atk | it's amazing | 19:20 |
| atk | ~tmo | 19:20 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 19:20 |
| bencoh | I might have manually updated the cert store though ... | 19:20 |
| atk | oh, talk.maemo.org... I always get very confused by that acronym | 19:21 |
| bencoh | :) | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | apropos, who's going to run a SUPL server for maemo now? | 19:32 |
| atk | how do I test if the supl is being used? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT's a very good question | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strace liblocation? no idea | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find the thread in tmo | 19:35 |
| atk | I think I found it, I'm reading through the pages | 19:36 |
| atk | hmm | 19:42 |
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| atk | supl.google.com _seems_ to work | 19:42 |
| atk | openssl s_client connects fine | 19:43 |
| atk | gps locks quickly | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 | 19:43 |
| atk | yeah... I found that thread | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo supl is also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 | 19:44 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~supl | 19:44 |
| infobot | supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 | 19:44 |
| bencoh | it should be "easy" since your phone has been unused for quite a long time and moved location | 19:50 |
| bencoh | receiving all the needed information to get a cold fix should take roughly 12mn iirc | 19:51 |
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| atk | I did actually wait 12 minutes and got a fix while I was researching these SUPL providers | 19:51 |
| bencoh | hmm | 19:51 |
| bencoh | then we can no longer rely on that unless someone know of a reliable way to reset gps | 19:52 |
| atk | on another note | 19:57 |
| atk | when I try to install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" via HAM as specified by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 I get: "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" | 19:58 |
| sicelo | there is a gps cache cleaner in one of the gps bug reports (bugs.maemo.org) | 20:05 |
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| atk | And final question: Where do I find quteTube2? I had it installed previously but now I can't find it when searching through HAM | 20:12 |
| atk | s/qute/cute/ | 20:13 |
| atk | ah, I think I need extras | 20:18 |
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| atk | no, I do have extras | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((reliable way to reset gps)) tere's a R&D tool for that | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c35 | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw http://susepaste.org/60305468 | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: xes: council: cert expired! ^^^ | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((reliable way to reset gps)) tere's a R&D tool for that http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/clear-gps-cache | 21:13 |
| atk | good IRC client for N900? | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((cold fix should take roughly 12mn iirc)) well, actually every SV (Sat) sends own position (ephemeral) every iirc 40s, so a GPS chip with enough correlators to try receive all possible codes at all possible doppler shifts would get a cold fix in max 40s | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without assistance by SUPL or LLRP | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RRLP? | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps | 21:18 |
| infobot | RRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP | 21:18 |
| atk | cool, that worked | 21:19 |
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| atk | my lock is taking ages again | 21:19 |
| atk | now let's try google | 21:19 |
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| atk | that took seconds | 21:20 |
| N900Butts | man, xchat is kinda fugly | 21:20 |
| atk | so supl.google.com works | 21:20 |
| atk | 10/10 | 21:20 |
| atk | DocScrutinizer05: today you get a rating of 10/10 | 21:21 |
| atk | and so does everyone else | 21:21 |
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| atk | DocScrutinizer05: aside from being fugly, does it work well? | 21:22 |
| atk | and also: does it support SASL | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 21:22 |
| atk | it's authentication based on a client cert | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what you're talking about? | 21:23 |
| atk | you basically have your own self signed cert and provide it to the server and the server has your FP and that's how auth works | 21:23 |
| atk | xchat | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xchat is fine | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrxchat | 21:24 |
| infobot | i heard jrxchat is <DocScrutinizer05> iSicelo: regarding xchat: some users say it changes from 'unbearable' to 'best IRC client on N900' by using: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ <iSicelo> yes. i am one of those users who praised your 'tweaks' | 21:24 |
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| MaemoButts | a lot of these applications feel like halfarsed ports of desktop ones. | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | drive-by ranting? | 21:43 |
| sicelo | seems to be CatButts | 21:44 |
| atk | sasl on xchat... | 21:44 |
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| atk | effort_required > effort_available | 21:45 |
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| atk | I think... you didn't do anything...? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | new macro | 21:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | atk: I don't think your test will work for supl. I imagine if you use supl.google.com and reboot you will not get a fix. | 21:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | not quickly via supl anyway | 21:50 |
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| atk | I don't really see why tbh... | 21:51 |
| atk | the server IS there | 21:51 |
| atk | the cert is correct | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | phmy | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy even | 21:51 |
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| atk | I'll try | 21:52 |
| atk | I'm still curious about that u-boot error btw | 21:54 |
| atk | getting uboot working will be the final piece (I need that so I can put pmOS on an SD card and run it from the N900) | 21:54 |
| atk | sixwheeledbeast: I rebooted and got a fix in under 5 seconds | 21:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hm well it certainly didn't work for a few people a while back. I assume you haven't edited your hosts file yet then. | 21:57 |
| atk | the only edit was for supl.nokia.com not for supl.google.com | 21:57 |
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| atk | with network positioning turned off and a GPS cache clear the GPSData program hasn't even gotten a rough guess of where I am | 21:58 |
| atk | I just turned on network positioning and it took 10 seconds | 21:59 |
| atk | Yeah... I think it's working | 21:59 |
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| MaemoButts_ | this is rude | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: you have a SIM? | 22:11 |
| atk | yes | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so see RRLP | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I always get cold fix within 15s and hot fix in <5s with SIM | 22:12 |
| atk | Do I need to enable this somehow? | 22:13 |
| atk | I mean, SUPL works atm | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ot's actually unclear if "network positioning" also controls RRLP | 22:14 |
| atk | Ah | 22:14 |
| atk | I did another test before | 22:14 |
| atk | where I passed a broken domain to the entry | 22:14 |
| atk | "ssupl.google.com" | 22:14 |
| atk | I'll try that again after clearing cache | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's however absolutely clear that a missing SIM blocks any RRLP | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also correct system time has a massive impact on GPS, as paradox as it sounds | 22:16 |
| atk | I was aware of that | 22:16 |
| atk | Is there some place where I can configure NTP settings on N900? | 22:16 |
| atk | I sometimes have had issues with it automatically updating the time correctly (after reboots) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, in NTP ;-) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo soesn't do NTP | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you installed NTP package | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo does cellular time | 22:17 |
| atk | oh... | 22:17 |
| atk | Interesting | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also only with SIM, obviously | 22:18 |
| MaemoButts_ | ~uboot | 22:18 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it makes sense when you think about it: not everybody has a data plan, but everybody with a dataplan has a SIM to do cellmo time | 22:19 |
| sicelo | if the networks does cellmo time though .. and if it is working | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep ;-D | 22:20 |
| atk | "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" - installing this gave me an error from HAM | 22:20 |
| atk | it didn't let me install, something about 3rd party package polic | 22:20 |
| atk | y | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 22:20 |
| sicelo | makes sense ... it is going to override your kernel | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh well, kernel is prolly core system protected by nokia trust | 22:21 |
| atk | "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: enable red pill, checkmark "ignore 3rd party policy" OWTTE | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~redpill | 22:22 |
| infobot | from memory, redpill is http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode | 22:22 |
| atk | owtte - never heard that one before - "or words to that effect" I presume? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I think redpill is available in menu for speedyham, no? | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW check CSSU changelock for "enabled red pill in HAM" or somesuch | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply check your HAM menu | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to start with | 22:26 |
| sicelo | or, if you're prepared to handle the pieces, use apt-get | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should work for uBoot, yes | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd actually think uBoot qualifies for "cli install package" | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want uBoot when you're not root and comfy with cli anyway | 22:29 |
| atk | I am a professional expert linux CLI user, people think I am hacking into a bank when I use my laptop. | 22:30 |
| atk | I think I qualify. | 22:30 |
| atk | Although I rarely use apt | 22:30 |
| atk | u-boot should have been called uboot from the start | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Reenabled Red Pill mode.<< http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo5 | 22:32 |
| atk | "You are going to flash new kernel image into ..... but new version string is not similar...." "old: 2.6.28-omap1" "new: U-Boot 2013.04" | 22:32 |
| atk | that looks correct | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Uncomment Red Pill mode GUI option for permanent Red Pill mode<< Tmaemo10 | 22:33 |
| MaemoButts_ | What's the firefox version equiv of MicroB that ships with n900? | 22:33 |
| atk | DocScrutinizer05: I tried enabling red pill and it worked but HAM crashed when I tried to ignore the tppp | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 22:34 |
| atk | i installed u-boot-flasher anyway | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | changes in GAM menu should see a restart of HAM | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/G/H/ | 22:34 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: changes in HAM menu should see a restart of HAM | 22:34 |
| sicelo | 3.5 or somehting like that, MaemoButts_ | 22:35 |
| atk | DocScrutinizer05: it crashed (actually said it crashed), after restarting the option was unset | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you should restart it *without* crah | 22:35 |
| atk | ha! | 22:35 |
| atk | I'll do that next time | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start, set option, quit, start again | 22:36 |
| atk | the crash happened when I clicked "save" | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 22:36 |
| atk | well, anyway, uboot is installed | 22:37 |
| atk | and the N900 still works | 22:37 |
| atk | I wonder how I can turn off these TES Morrowind magic style sounds that the phone keeps emitting | 22:38 |
| atk | although actually.. I think they're growing on me# | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr *COUGH* http://paste.opensuse.org/37177206 | 22:38 |
| atk | Coworkers found it especially funny when they first heard my old Nokia ringtone. | 22:38 |
| atk | and also the shaking hands jingle | 22:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 blinks | 22:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TES Morrowind magic style sounds? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Sound | 22:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 scratches head | 22:41 | |
| MaemoButts_ | You mean the wooshy thing when you plug charger in? | 22:41 |
| mp107 | The begging low battery tone also sounds unique | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/3890982 | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/66292143 | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, for f in /usr/share/sounds/ui*.wav; do echo $f;play-sound $f; done | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: control volume in profile settings | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "system tones" or somesuch | 22:51 |
| atk | DocScrutinizer05: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDWDS9FjUWw&feature=youtu.be&t=45s | 22:52 |
| atk | https://youtu.be/xDWDS9FjUWw?t=45s * | 22:52 |
| atk | that whistling sound | 22:53 |
| atk | that's what the "usb plugged in" sound sounds like to me | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it does | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P http://paste.opensuse.org/91848042 | 22:55 |
| * sicelo loves the usb/charger sound! | 22:55 | |
| sicelo | hehe DocScrutinizer05. that makes sound on every keyboard slide? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/1395677 | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | need this too | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and dbus-scripting | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | search for it on tmo, it's explained there in some completely otgher topic thread ;-) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/ | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: you can mute the sound by holding lockswitch while sliding open | 23:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 every now and them muses about other funny or useful stuff to trigger by slide-open while holding a button | 23:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, start self-destruction on slide-close while holding lockswitch and vol+ ? ;-D | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the paranoid Bonds err Bournes | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FWIW, for the curious minds: http://paste.opensuse.org/54489558 | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/26140273 | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: anyway you can swap /usr/share/sounds/ui*.wav for any other .wav you like | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: note that for ringtones it's waaay more tricky though | 23:21 |
| atk | It's fine | 23:21 |
| atk | nokia ringtone is the best ringtone | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 23:21 |
| atk | when Neo900 arrives, that's going to be my ringtone | 23:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 got some DEVO song | 23:21 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | er no. Nokia hands and nokia ringtone are the first things to change. | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Q: Are we not men A: we are DEVO | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | very convenient uniqueness and spectrum | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck no, N900 lies at me | 23:26 |
| atk | sixwheeledbeast: nonsense, how will people know that you're stuck in 2008 if your 2008 nokia phone doesn't even sound like a 2008 nokia phone? | 23:27 |
| atk | heck, I was even thinking how I might keep the nokia handshake on the neo900 | 23:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Er, opening the keyboard to text. Instantly triggers question of what phone do you have? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43gKl9xIME&feature=youtu.be&t=517 | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://youtu.be/d43gKl9xIME?t=662 is total misfit for a ringtone, due to dynamic and spectrum | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a pity | 23:33 |
| atk | sixwheeledbeast: every time someone asks if I have an android or apple phone I have to explain... | 23:33 |
| atk | I mean... I don't get it... | 23:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | naturally, same for desktop. | 23:33 |
| atk | What are you supposed to change the ringtone to? | 23:33 |
| atk | a long beep? | 23:33 |
| atk | the sound of an old dial phone? | 23:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I use the classic "Nokia Low Ring" | 23:34 |
| atk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqtPKy3h9-k ? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware of the "use as ringtone" option in mediaplayer? | 23:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well for people I don't know. | 23:35 |
| atk | Why would I want a song as my ringtone? | 23:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have custom ringtones for all contacts | 23:35 |
| APic | Why not? | 23:35 |
| atk | then people would know what I listen to | 23:35 |
| APic | So? | 23:35 |
| MaemoButts | https://youtube.com/watch?v=YBOsBY1djr4 did someone say ringtones? | 23:35 |
| APic | lol | 23:35 |
| atk | I don't just tell random people what music I listen to!!?!?! | 23:35 |
| * Maxdamantus uses the start of Rachmaninov's prelude in A minor | 23:35 | |
| atk | Only close friends get to know that. | 23:35 |
| Maxdamantus | or maybe it's A major, can't remember. | 23:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yes, that Low but a newer version from a later Nokia brick | 23:36 |
| atk | whenever I have any ringtone I find the most generic thing I can find | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: LOL, when we were young we had a thing called ghettoblaster ;-P | 23:37 |
| atk | 15:9 -_- | 23:38 |
| atk | it's five by three | 23:38 |
| atk | for fucks sake | 23:38 |
| atk | 5:3 | 23:38 |
| atk | learn to divide | 23:38 |
| atk | you innumerate fucks | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 23:38 |
| atk | wrong channel | 23:38 |
| atk | I was very angry at someone stating an aspect ratio | 23:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I like having a custom ringtone for each contact I know who it is before i look at the screen. | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: there's only one üackage for per-contact ringtones I know of, and that's a very brittle one | 23:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's not great but I prefer to have it than not. | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. Well could prolly use a sanitize/recover script in sysinit | 23:41 |
| atk | sixwheeledbeast: how can you find enough generic ringtones for each contact? | 23:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Should have been implemented by Nokia IMO | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's too simple to make that thing mess up your settings and never recover | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, absolutely >:-( | 23:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I use music, the tracks associated to the person, normally tracks with good intros. | 23:43 |
| atk | hmm | 23:43 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Can always reflash, and I don't plan on removing it | 23:43 |
| atk | But then people know what music you listen to. | 23:43 |
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| atk | Telling people what music you listen to is like telling people personal details about yourself. | 23:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I am not worried about that type of information being known in close proximity. | 23:45 |
| atk | hmm | 23:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's likely they would guess my music taste from my appearance | 23:46 |
| APic | *shrug* | 23:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Especially if I was wearing a Slayer T-Shirt at the time for example... | 23:46 |
| atk | hmm | 23:46 |
| * atk doesn't understand wearing band shirts either | 23:47 | |
| atk | I guess I'm weird | 23:47 |
| CatButts | [21:43] <DocScrutinizer05> drive-by ranting? | 23:47 |
| CatButts | switching IRC clients | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: yeah, realized that | 23:47 |
| atk | CatButts: did you find one which supports SASL out of the box? | 23:47 |
| CatButts | what's a sauce-el? | 23:48 |
| atk | hmm | 23:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I suppose it's to show support to a band and spread there name. I am not a huge band t shirt wearer, but it's an example. | 23:48 |
| atk | never mind | 23:48 |
| CatButts | IrGGu is one I like so far | 23:52 |
| CatButts | for the interface | 23:52 |
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