IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-11-14

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CatButtsnone of the wiki links help00:23
CatButtsfor updating00:24
CatButtsdoes OTA work anymore?00:44
CatButtsstrangely, can't connect to wireless00:56
CatButtsI can detect networks00:56
CatButtsbrowser fails to us00:56
pkill9has anyone tried porting qt5 to maemo?01:23
pkill9 /compiling it for qt501:24
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CatButtsCSSU testing, yes?01:42
pkill9oh, where can i find CSSU packages? I searched using
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OksanaaWhat does CrawlDirectory stand for? And, I think that tracker-cfg GUI adds /home/user/MyDocs/ instead of $HOME/MyDocs/ when I use GUI. What is the significance of the difference?02:30
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Vajboff topic q. Pwd > file prints nothing in file. What to use instead?09:39
KotCzarnytry lowercase09:40
KotCzarnypwd > file09:40
Vajbah i did it like that, but now in channel I felt like respecting rules of using captal letter after dot.09:40
KotCzarnyyou never modify commands used for the sake of human grammar09:41
KotCzarnywhat does pwd alone print?09:41
VajbI stand corrected.09:41
Vajbit prints /home/vajb09:42
KotCzarnycheck if you can write to the file09:42
KotCzarnyie. echo 123 > file09:42
Vajbhmm now it did work09:43
Vajbdoes it matter if i use it after pipe?09:43
KotCzarnyremember that > is special, for example >2 might do something else than > 209:43
KotCzarnyalso, always paste EXACT comman line that you are struggling with09:44
Vajbas of "users > file | pwd >> file"?09:44
Vajbexact line is "date > file | users >> file | pwd >> file"09:45
KotCzarnyif you want multiple redirections you need 'tee' command to duplicate output09:45
Vajball but pwd part wprks09:45
KotCzarnyie. date | tee > file09:45
KotCzarnyotherwise first redirection eats stream and you get empty09:46
KotCzarnytee has -a option for append09:46
Vajbi thought >> should take care of that09:46
KotCzarnyalso think about it, its named pipe for a reason09:46
KotCzarnyit has one in, one out09:46
KotCzarnyonce you flush it somewhere, nothing else gets out09:47
KotCzarny>> is just append version of >09:47
Vajbi see09:49
Vajbtried with "date | tee > file | pwd | tee > file" and got just date. Obviously i didn't understand something :D09:50
KotCzarnydate | tee file | tee file209:51
KotCzarnyand keep in mind what commands do09:51
KotCzarnysome ignore input,09:51
KotCzarnyso in this case there are two gotchas, tee file already writes to file, adding > redirects its output again09:52
KotCzarnyand second, try: echo 123 | date09:52
Vajbit seems i can't make it to work as instructed09:54
KotCzarnydoing homework?09:54
Vajbyeah :D09:55
Vajbtask is to write one liner which writes date, users and current working directory in to a file09:55
Vajbi got all but working directory there09:56
KotCzarnyi can solve it for you09:56
KotCzarnybut i guess it wouldnt be proper09:56
Vajbtell me, is pwd even the correct command?09:56
KotCzarnyhint: echo $PWD09:56
KotCzarnyalso, does one liner means one stream of commands or just multiple commands that just fit in one line?09:57
KotCzarnyanother hint: echo "123 `date`"09:58
KotCzarnybut i've already told too much09:58
Vajbit says one command or commands in one line10:00
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CatButtshey guys, any reccomendation for an awfully scratchy screen?10:20
KotCzarnyexternal part is cheap10:20
KotCzarnyfind any broken device and exchange10:20
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CatButtsthis smells like DIY to me10:40
KotCzarnyjust buy the cable used10:41
KotCzarnyi've paid 2 usd with shipping locally10:41
* CatButts puts down soldering hammer10:42
KotCzarnyalso, there is a chance cable will be included with the damaged replacement device you will find10:42
KotCzarnyimage quality sucks anyway10:43
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VajbKotCzarny: i solved it by using ; instead of | :)11:42
KotCzarnyyeah, but best would be: echo -e "$PWD\n`date;users`" > file11:43
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Vajbgotta love it stuff. Always more than one solution :)11:52
KotCzarnyand when you start using some interpreted languages (perl/php/python/ruby) it's a whole new world11:59
Vajbyeah. So far it's been only typescript12:03
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infobotpalmos is probably the second finest OS this bot knows about15:43
CatButtsjust my luck15:46
CatButtsWhere can I find Garnet VM besides the now defunct Access gvm page?15:57 is not working at the moment15:58
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infobotsomebody said maemo was or freenode #maemo17:39
atkso, I've flashed this new N900 board to stock everything17:39
atkand I applied CSSU and some stuff17:39
atkwhat's the easiest way to move contacts and message history/call history over from another N900?17:40
atkjust backup communication and calendar on one and restore it all on the other?17:41
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siceloatk: sounds correct17:55
sicelohi whitepony17:56
atkthe backup program sits at 0% forever18:03
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siceloatk: it is slow iirc. anyway, try doing backup immediately after reboot.18:09
atkthat didn't work either, I'm just going to download this "glogarchive" program which can apparently just backup the comms18:10
atkincidentally, is it possible to boot the n900 without a screen attached?18:10
sicelomaybe your el-v1.db is too big for the backup program to handle. delete some conversations, etc.18:11
siceloyou can also exports contacts as vcards.18:12
atkI keep all my spam emails in a big archive, do you think I'm just going to delete some conversations? :P18:12
atkI exported the contacts, but I want the SMS history on the new phone18:13
sixwheeledbeastdefault backup program yes. can take a while18:13
siceloif all else fails, extract the from the bd. it's sqlite18:13
infobotsicelo meant: if all else fails, extract the from the db. it's sqlite18:14
atkok, that works too... I'll do that if all else fails18:14
sixwheeledbeastaren't emails stored in elsewhere18:14
atkon my server, yes18:15
atkI don't care about the emails on the phone though...18:15
atkwait... if backup backs up emails on the phone... that would explain why it takes ages18:15
atkI do indeed have maybe 20000 unarchived spam emails, but the N900 shouldn't have downloaded them18:15
atkI'll delete that email account from the phone first and maybe try again...18:17
sixwheeledbeastsorry I mean on the device, not in the .db18:19
sixwheeledbeastI have just started a backup now, lets see how long it takes. I have no email accounts on the device at the moment.18:22
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sixwheeledbeastbackup just finished, but sat on 0% for ages18:27
atkwell, I've just started it again after deleting the email account18:30
atkanother question: how do I install uboot?18:30
sicelosame way  you install everything else - application manager. (or apt-get, which is not generally recommended)18:32
atkoh, so it's just a package?18:33
atkalso: yay! the backup is now at 7%18:33
infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or
sixwheeledbeastpackages are in the thread with instructions18:35
atkonly 31MB of SMS18:36
atkthat seems like a lot actually... I don't text that many people18:37
atkok, time to replace the motherboard with one with a working keyboard18:37
atkand a working a lot of other things18:37
atkI do hope the SIM and SD slots work18:37
atkit's out of an N900 which looks like it was dropped, hopefully no BGA cracks18:38
sixwheeledbeastThink my backup was 67MB I did everything18:39
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atkmoment of truth...18:46
atktime to see if it can make and take calls18:46
atkI'm sure apple will remove that feature from their phones in the next version, so it might not seem as important.18:47
atkit connected to my network :D18:48
atkneed to wait for the network configuration messages18:49
atkit makes and takes calls and receives SMS18:52
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atknow I'll see if that backup worked18:52
atkWhat's the recommended GPS program for the N900?18:55
sicelomaps, you mean? modrana18:55
DocScrutinizer05el-v1.db >1MB means your device comes to a grinding halt18:56
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe 2MB18:57
DocScrutinizer05it's a flaw in maemo that Nokia sw engineers never considered to fix: el-v1.db can grow to insane mad size and no process will ever take care to clean that stuff out18:59
atk600k here19:03
DocScrutinizer05another flaw: missing call end time, fixed by stored procedures patch, see ~jrtools19:03
DocScrutinizer05atk: for GPS test there's a tool19:04
bencohthere's also a more complete, opensource one19:05
bencohgpsdata iirc19:06
DocScrutinizer05nore complete?19:07
bencohshows satellites / strength19:08
DocScrutinizer05^^^ does19:08
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atksicelo: it's complaining about libespeak and espak-data being missing19:08
atkAre those in testing/devel somewhere?19:08
sixwheeledbeastI have used gpsdata19:08
sixwheeledbeastmodrana is more for mapping then GPS19:09
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atkIt would be nice to have something from walking-around mapping and also for driving navigation19:09
sixwheeledbeastmaybe best to pull the master tree from github if you want modrana. I still haven't heard back about getting an updated version in extras-devel.19:10
atkIs it normal for N900 to lock on very slowly (GPS) ? My previous N900 and this N900 both seem to take a while to actually get an accurate reading19:10
DocScrutinizer05takes like 20s here. with SIM19:11
sixwheeledbeastA-GPS should be quick, without can take minutes19:12
DocScrutinizer05if you got no SIM and no working SUPL, then... it can take 30min or forever19:12
sixwheeledbeastsupl a-gps19:13
atkMaybe both devices had a broken SUPL then19:13
atkBecause I've had it take minutes and this is taking minutes19:13
DocScrutinizer05most likely19:13
atkoh well, no GPS for me :P19:13
DocScrutinizer05~supl19:13 known to be broken, use alternatives like! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen19:13
atkany map viewer then?19:13
sicelothat factooid should be updated.19:14 no longer works, only fix at the moment is hacking the hosts file.19:14
DocScrutinizer05feel free :-)19:14
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo supl19:14
infobotDocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as supl19:14
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo #maemo supl19:14
infobot#maemo supl -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri Feb  8 08:26:00 2013 (1740 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 56s ago.19:14
atksixwheeledbeast: what do you mean hacking the hosts file?19:14
DocScrutinizer05~literal supl19:14
infobot"#maemo supl" is "<reply> known to be broken, use alternatives like! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen"19:14
siceloatk: modrana for something FOSS. for my needs, built-in Ovi Maps works fantastic.19:15
sixwheeledbeastI am going afk, sicelo knows ;)19:15
atkcan't I just put the IP in the entry box? (I presume I can't)19:17
siceloiirc that doesn't work. you ae welcome to test :-)19:18
bencohI suppose you'd have some ssl verification issue then, but dunno :)19:19
sicelonote that supl doesn't work without some updates to the certman packages. see tmo.19:19
bencohah, right, there's that too19:19
bencohalthough it works here with stable-ish cssu (and I don't think I manually updated certman)19:19
atkhaving a working keyboard...19:20
atkit's amazing19:20
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, tmo is, or, or It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.19:20
bencohI might have manually updated the cert store though ...19:20
atkoh, I always get very confused by that acronym19:21
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DocScrutinizer05apropos, who's going to run a SUPL server for maemo now?19:32
atkhow do I test if the supl is being used?19:33
DocScrutinizer05now THAT's a very good question19:33
DocScrutinizer05strace liblocation? no idea19:33
DocScrutinizer05find the thread in tmo19:35
atkI think I found it, I'm reading through the pages19:36
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atkopenssl s_client connects fine19:43
atkgps locks quickly19:43
atkyeah... I found that thread19:43
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo supl is also
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0519:44
DocScrutinizer05~supl19:44 known to be broken, use alternatives like! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen, or
bencohit should be "easy" since your phone has been unused for quite a long time and moved location19:50
bencohreceiving all the needed information to get a cold fix should take roughly 12mn iirc19:51
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atkI did actually wait 12 minutes and got a fix while I was researching these SUPL providers19:51
bencohthen we can no longer rely on that unless someone know of a reliable way to reset gps19:52
atkon another note19:57
atkwhen I try to install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" via HAM as specified by I get: "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy"19:58
sicelothere is a gps cache cleaner in one of the gps bug reports (
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atkAnd final question: Where do I find quteTube2? I had it installed previously but now I can't find it when searching through HAM20:12
atkah, I think I need extras20:18
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atkno, I do have extras20:19
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DocScrutinizer05((reliable way to reset gps)) tere's a R&D tool for that21:01
DocScrutinizer05warfare: xes: council: cert expired! ^^^21:06
DocScrutinizer05((reliable way to reset gps)) tere's a R&D tool for that
atkgood IRC client for N900?21:15
DocScrutinizer05((cold fix should take roughly 12mn iirc)) well, actually every SV (Sat) sends own position (ephemeral) every iirc 40s, so a GPS chip with enough correlators to try receive all possible codes at all possible doppler shifts would get a cold fix in max 40s21:16
DocScrutinizer05without assistance by SUPL or LLRP21:17
infobotRRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or
atkcool, that worked21:19
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atkmy lock is taking ages again21:19
atknow let's try google21:19
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atkthat took seconds21:20
N900Buttsman, xchat is kinda fugly21:20
atkso works21:20
atkDocScrutinizer05: today you get a rating of 10/1021:21
atkand so does everyone else21:21
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atkDocScrutinizer05: aside from being fugly, does it work well?21:22
atkand also: does it support SASL21:22
atkit's authentication based on a client cert21:22
DocScrutinizer05what you're talking about?21:23
atkyou basically have your own self signed cert and provide it to the server and the server has your FP and that's how auth works21:23
DocScrutinizer05xchat is fine21:23
DocScrutinizer05on N90021:24
infoboti heard jrxchat is <DocScrutinizer05> iSicelo: regarding xchat: some users say it changes from 'unbearable' to 'best IRC client on N900' by using:   <iSicelo> yes. i am one of those users who praised your 'tweaks'21:24
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MaemoButtsa lot of these applications feel like halfarsed ports of desktop ones.21:36
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DocScrutinizer05drive-by ranting?21:43
siceloseems to be CatButts21:44
atksasl on xchat...21:44
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atkeffort_required > effort_available21:45
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DocScrutinizer05#maemo +q *butts21:45
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atkI think... you didn't do anything...?21:45
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DocScrutinizer05new macro21:45
sixwheeledbeastatk: I don't think your test will work for supl. I imagine if you use and reboot you will not get a fix.21:50
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sixwheeledbeastnot quickly via supl anyway21:50
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atkI don't really see why tbh...21:51
atkthe server IS there21:51
atkthe cert is correct21:51
DocScrutinizer05ohmy even21:51
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atkI'll try21:52
atkI'm still curious about that u-boot error btw21:54
atkgetting uboot working will be the final piece (I need that so I can put pmOS on an SD card and run it from the N900)21:54
atksixwheeledbeast: I rebooted and got a fix in under 5 seconds21:55
sixwheeledbeasthm well it certainly didn't work for a few people a while back. I assume you haven't edited your hosts file yet then.21:57
atkthe only edit was for not for
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atkwith network positioning turned off and a GPS cache clear the GPSData program hasn't even gotten a rough guess of where I am21:58
atkI just turned on network positioning and it took 10 seconds21:59
atkYeah... I think it's working21:59
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MaemoButts_this is rude22:03
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DocScrutinizer05atk: you have a SIM?22:11
DocScrutinizer05so see RRLP22:11
DocScrutinizer05I always get cold fix within 15s and hot fix in <5s with SIM22:12
atkDo I need to enable this somehow?22:13
atkI mean, SUPL works atm22:14
DocScrutinizer05ot's actually unclear if "network positioning" also controls RRLP22:14
atkI did another test before22:14
atkwhere I passed a broken domain to the entry22:14
atkI'll try that again after clearing cache22:14
DocScrutinizer05it's however absolutely clear that a missing SIM blocks any RRLP22:14
DocScrutinizer05also correct system time has a massive impact on GPS, as paradox as it sounds22:16
atkI was aware of that22:16
atkIs there some place where I can configure NTP settings on N900?22:16
atkI sometimes have had issues with it automatically updating the time correctly (after reboots)22:17
DocScrutinizer05well, in NTP ;-)22:17
DocScrutinizer05maemo soesn't do NTP22:17
DocScrutinizer05unless you installed NTP package22:17
DocScrutinizer05maemo does cellular time22:17
DocScrutinizer05also only with SIM, obviously22:18
infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or
DocScrutinizer05it makes sense when you think about it: not everybody has a data plan, but everybody with a dataplan has a SIM to do cellmo time22:19
siceloif the networks does cellmo time though .. and if it is working22:19
DocScrutinizer05yep ;-D22:20
atk"U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" - installing this gave me an error from HAM22:20
atkit didn't let me install, something about 3rd party package polic22:20
sicelomakes sense ... it is going to override your kernel22:21
DocScrutinizer05ooh well, kernel is prolly core system protected by nokia trust22:21
atk"!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy"22:21
DocScrutinizer05atk: enable red pill, checkmark "ignore 3rd party policy" OWTTE22:22
infobotfrom memory, redpill is
atkowtte - never heard that one before - "or words to that effect" I presume?22:22
DocScrutinizer05meh, I think redpill is available in menu for speedyham, no?22:25
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DocScrutinizer05IOW check CSSU changelock for "enabled red pill in HAM" or somesuch22:26
DocScrutinizer05or simply check your HAM menu22:26
DocScrutinizer05to start with22:26
siceloor, if you're prepared to handle the pieces, use apt-get22:27
DocScrutinizer05should work for uBoot, yes22:28
DocScrutinizer05I'd actually think uBoot qualifies for "cli install package"22:28
DocScrutinizer05you don't want uBoot when you're not root and comfy with cli anyway22:29
atkI am a professional expert linux CLI user, people think I am hacking into a bank when I use my laptop.22:30
atkI think I qualify.22:30
atkAlthough I rarely use apt22:30
atku-boot should have been called uboot from the start22:32
DocScrutinizer05>>Reenabled Red Pill mode.<<
atk"You are going to flash new kernel image into ..... but new version string is not similar...." "old: 2.6.28-omap1" "new: U-Boot 2013.04"22:32
atkthat looks correct22:32
DocScrutinizer05>>Uncomment Red Pill mode GUI option for permanent Red Pill mode<<  Tmaemo1022:33
MaemoButts_What's the firefox version equiv of MicroB that ships with n900?22:33
atkDocScrutinizer05: I tried enabling red pill and it worked but HAM crashed when I tried to ignore the tppp22:34
atki installed u-boot-flasher anyway22:34
DocScrutinizer05changes in GAM menu should see a restart of HAM22:34
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: changes in HAM menu should see a restart of HAM22:34
sicelo3.5 or somehting like that, MaemoButts_22:35
atkDocScrutinizer05: it crashed (actually said it crashed), after restarting the option was unset22:35
DocScrutinizer05yes, you should restart it *without* crah22:35
atkI'll do that next time22:36
DocScrutinizer05start, set option, quit, start again22:36
atkthe crash happened when I clicked "save"22:36
atkwell, anyway, uboot is installed22:37
atkand the N900 still works22:37
atkI wonder how I can turn off these TES Morrowind magic style sounds that the phone keeps emitting22:38
atkalthough actually.. I think they're growing on me#22:38
DocScrutinizer05errr *COUGH*
atkCoworkers found it especially funny when they first heard my old Nokia ringtone.22:38
atkand also the shaking hands jingle22:38
* DocScrutinizer05 blinks22:39
DocScrutinizer05TES Morrowind magic style sounds?22:40
* DocScrutinizer05 scratches head22:41
MaemoButts_You mean the wooshy thing when you plug charger in?22:41
mp107The begging low battery tone also sounds unique22:43
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DocScrutinizer05ok,   for f in /usr/share/sounds/ui*.wav; do echo $f;play-sound $f; done22:50
DocScrutinizer05atk: control volume in profile settings22:50
DocScrutinizer05"system tones" or somesuch22:51
atk *22:52
atkthat whistling sound22:53
atkthat's what the "usb plugged in" sound sounds like to me22:53
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it does22:53
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* sicelo loves the usb/charger sound!22:55
sicelohehe DocScrutinizer05. that makes sound on every keyboard slide?22:57
DocScrutinizer05need this too22:57
DocScrutinizer05and dbus-scripting22:58
DocScrutinizer05search for it on tmo, it's explained there in some completely otgher topic thread ;-)22:58
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DocScrutinizer05sicelo: you can mute the sound by holding lockswitch while sliding open23:05
* DocScrutinizer05 every now and them muses about other funny or useful stuff to trigger by slide-open while holding a button23:06
DocScrutinizer05or, start self-destruction on slide-close while holding lockswitch and vol+ ? ;-D23:08
DocScrutinizer05for the paranoid Bonds err Bournes23:09
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DocScrutinizer05FWIW, for the curious minds:
DocScrutinizer05atk: anyway you can swap /usr/share/sounds/ui*.wav for any other .wav you like23:19
DocScrutinizer05atk: note that for ringtones it's waaay more tricky though23:21
atkIt's fine23:21
atknokia ringtone is the best ringtone23:21
atkwhen Neo900 arrives, that's going to be my ringtone23:21
* DocScrutinizer05 got some DEVO song23:21
sixwheeledbeaster no. Nokia hands and nokia ringtone are the first things to change.23:24
DocScrutinizer05Q: Are we not men  A: we are DEVO23:24
DocScrutinizer05very convenient uniqueness and spectrum23:25
DocScrutinizer05heck no, N900 lies at me23:26
atksixwheeledbeast: nonsense, how will people know that you're stuck in 2008 if your 2008 nokia phone doesn't even sound like a 2008 nokia phone?23:27
atkheck, I was even thinking how I might keep the nokia handshake on the neo90023:28
sixwheeledbeastEr, opening the keyboard to text. Instantly triggers question of what phone do you have?23:28
DocScrutinizer05 is total misfit for a ringtone, due to dynamic and spectrum23:33
DocScrutinizer05a pity23:33
atksixwheeledbeast: every time someone asks if I have an android or apple phone I have to explain...23:33
atkI mean... I don't get it...23:33
sixwheeledbeastnaturally, same for desktop.23:33
atkWhat are you supposed to change the ringtone to?23:33
atka long beep?23:33
atkthe sound of an old dial phone?23:34
sixwheeledbeastI use the classic "Nokia Low Ring"23:34
atk ?23:34
DocScrutinizer05you're aware of the "use as ringtone" option in mediaplayer?23:35
sixwheeledbeastwell for people I don't know.23:35
atkWhy would I want a song as my ringtone?23:35
sixwheeledbeastI have custom ringtones for all contacts23:35
APicWhy not?23:35
atkthen people would know what I listen to23:35
MaemoButts did someone say ringtones?23:35
atkI don't just tell random people what music I listen to!!?!?!23:35
* Maxdamantus uses the start of Rachmaninov's prelude in A minor23:35
atkOnly close friends get to know that.23:35
Maxdamantusor maybe it's A major, can't remember.23:36
sixwheeledbeastyes, that Low but a newer version from a later Nokia brick23:36
atkwhenever I have any ringtone I find the most generic thing I can find23:37
DocScrutinizer05atk: LOL, when we were young we had a thing called ghettoblaster ;-P23:37
atk15:9 -_-23:38
atkit's five by three23:38
atkfor fucks sake23:38
atklearn to divide23:38
atkyou innumerate fucks23:38
atkwrong channel23:38
atkI was very angry at someone stating an aspect ratio23:38
sixwheeledbeastI like having a custom ringtone for each contact I know who it is before i look at the screen.23:38
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: there's only one √ľackage for per-contact ringtones I know of, and that's a very brittle one23:39
sixwheeledbeastIt's not great but I prefer to have it than not.23:40
DocScrutinizer05yeah. Well could prolly use a sanitize/recover script in sysinit23:41
atksixwheeledbeast: how can you find enough generic ringtones for each contact?23:41
sixwheeledbeastShould have been implemented by Nokia IMO23:41
DocScrutinizer05it's too simple to make that thing mess up your settings and never recover23:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, absolutely >:-(23:42
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sixwheeledbeastI use music, the tracks associated to the person, normally tracks with good intros.23:43
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sixwheeledbeastCan always reflash, and I don't plan on removing it23:43
atkBut then people know what music you listen to.23:43
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atkTelling people what music you listen to is like telling people personal details about yourself.23:44
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sixwheeledbeastI am not worried about that type of information being known in close proximity.23:45
sixwheeledbeastIt's likely they would guess my music taste from my appearance23:46
sixwheeledbeastEspecially if I was wearing a Slayer T-Shirt at the time for example...23:46
* atk doesn't understand wearing band shirts either23:47
atkI guess I'm weird23:47
CatButts[21:43] <DocScrutinizer05> drive-by ranting?23:47
CatButtsswitching IRC clients23:47
DocScrutinizer05CatButts: yeah, realized that23:47
atkCatButts: did you find one which supports SASL out of the box?23:47
CatButtswhat's a sauce-el?23:48
sixwheeledbeastI suppose it's to show support to a band and spread there name. I am not a huge band t shirt wearer, but it's an example.23:48
atknever mind23:48
CatButtsIrGGu is one I like so far23:52
CatButtsfor the interface23:52
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