IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-11-14

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CatButtswelp00:23
CatButtsnone of the wiki links help00:23
CatButtsfor updating00:24
CatButtsdoes OTA work anymore?00:44
CatButtsstrangely, can't connect to wireless00:56
CatButtsI can detect networks00:56
CatButtsbrowser fails to us00:56
pkill9has anyone tried porting qt5 to maemo?01:23
pkill9 /compiling it for qt501:24
pkill9maemo*01:24
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CatButtsCSSU testing, yes?01:42
pkill9oh, where can i find CSSU packages? I searched using maemo.org/packages01:44
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OksanaaWhat does CrawlDirectory stand for? And, I think that tracker-cfg GUI adds /home/user/MyDocs/ instead of $HOME/MyDocs/ when I use GUI. What is the significance of the difference?02:30
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whiteponyhello09:31
Vajboff topic q. Pwd > file prints nothing in file. What to use instead?09:39
KotCzarnytry lowercase09:40
KotCzarnypwd > file09:40
Vajbah i did it like that, but now in channel I felt like respecting rules of using captal letter after dot.09:40
KotCzarnyyou never modify commands used for the sake of human grammar09:41
KotCzarnywhat does pwd alone print?09:41
VajbI stand corrected.09:41
Vajbit prints /home/vajb09:42
KotCzarnycheck if you can write to the file09:42
KotCzarnyie. echo 123 > file09:42
Vajbcan09:43
Vajbhmm now it did work09:43
Vajbdoes it matter if i use it after pipe?09:43
KotCzarnyremember that > is special, for example >2 might do something else than > 209:43
KotCzarnyalso, always paste EXACT comman line that you are struggling with09:44
Vajbas of "users > file | pwd >> file"?09:44
KotCzarnyum09:45
Vajbexact line is "date > file | users >> file | pwd >> file"09:45
KotCzarnyif you want multiple redirections you need 'tee' command to duplicate output09:45
Vajball but pwd part wprks09:45
KotCzarnyie. date | tee > file09:45
KotCzarnyotherwise first redirection eats stream and you get empty09:46
KotCzarnytee has -a option for append09:46
Vajbi thought >> should take care of that09:46
KotCzarnyalso think about it, its named pipe for a reason09:46
KotCzarnyit has one in, one out09:46
KotCzarnyonce you flush it somewhere, nothing else gets out09:47
KotCzarny>> is just append version of >09:47
Vajbi see09:49
Vajbtried with "date | tee > file | pwd | tee > file" and got just date. Obviously i didn't understand something :D09:50
KotCzarnynono09:50
KotCzarnydate | tee file | tee file209:51
KotCzarnyand keep in mind what commands do09:51
KotCzarnysome ignore input,09:51
KotCzarnyso in this case there are two gotchas, tee file already writes to file, adding > redirects its output again09:52
KotCzarnyand second, try: echo 123 | date09:52
Vajbit seems i can't make it to work as instructed09:54
KotCzarnydoing homework?09:54
KotCzarny:)09:54
Vajbyeah :D09:55
Vajbtask is to write one liner which writes date, users and current working directory in to a file09:55
Vajbi got all but working directory there09:56
KotCzarnyi can solve it for you09:56
KotCzarnybut i guess it wouldnt be proper09:56
KotCzarny:)09:56
Vajbtell me, is pwd even the correct command?09:56
KotCzarnyhint: echo $PWD09:56
KotCzarnyalso, does one liner means one stream of commands or just multiple commands that just fit in one line?09:57
KotCzarnyanother hint: echo "123 `date`"09:58
KotCzarnybut i've already told too much09:58
Vajbit says one command or commands in one line10:00
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CatButtshey guys, any reccomendation for an awfully scratchy screen?10:20
KotCzarnyexternal part is cheap10:20
KotCzarnyfind any broken device and exchange10:20
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CatButtshttp://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_n95_tvout_pinout.shtml10:40
CatButtshmmmm10:40
CatButtsthis smells like DIY to me10:40
KotCzarnyjust buy the cable used10:41
KotCzarnyi've paid 2 usd with shipping locally10:41
CatButtspffft10:42
* CatButts puts down soldering hammer10:42
KotCzarnyalso, there is a chance cable will be included with the damaged replacement device you will find10:42
KotCzarnyimage quality sucks anyway10:43
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VajbKotCzarny: i solved it by using ; instead of | :)11:42
KotCzarnyyeah, but best would be: echo -e "$PWD\n`date;users`" > file11:43
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Vajbgotta love it stuff. Always more than one solution :)11:52
KotCzarnyexactly11:58
KotCzarny:)11:58
KotCzarnyand when you start using some interpreted languages (perl/php/python/ruby) it's a whole new world11:59
Vajbyeah. So far it's been only typescript12:03
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CatButts~palmos15:43
infobotpalmos is probably the second finest OS this bot knows about15:43
CatButtshehe15:43
CatButts~garnetvm15:43
CatButtshttps://www.okazii.ro/geam-cu-touchscreen-nokia-n900-negru-original-a18986539715:46
CatButtsyeeeeee15:46
CatButtsjust my luck15:46
CatButtsWhere can I find Garnet VM besides the now defunct Access gvm page?15:57
CatButtsarchive.org is not working at the moment15:58
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sicelo~maemo17:39
infobotsomebody said maemo was http://maemo.org or freenode #maemo17:39
atkso, I've flashed this new N900 board to stock everything17:39
atkand I applied CSSU and some stuff17:39
atkwhat's the easiest way to move contacts and message history/call history over from another N900?17:40
atkjust backup communication and calendar on one and restore it all on the other?17:41
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siceloatk: sounds correct17:55
whiteponyhello17:55
sicelohi whitepony17:56
atkthe backup program sits at 0% forever18:03
whiteponywwwwwwwwwww18:07
whiteponysorry18:07
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siceloatk: it is slow iirc. anyway, try doing backup immediately after reboot.18:09
atkthat didn't work either, I'm just going to download this "glogarchive" program which can apparently just backup the comms18:10
atkincidentally, is it possible to boot the n900 without a screen attached?18:10
sicelomaybe your el-v1.db is too big for the backup program to handle. delete some conversations, etc.18:11
atkhmm18:12
siceloyou can also exports contacts as vcards.18:12
atkI keep all my spam emails in a big archive, do you think I'm just going to delete some conversations? :P18:12
atkI exported the contacts, but I want the SMS history on the new phone18:13
sixwheeledbeastdefault backup program yes. can take a while18:13
siceloif all else fails, extract the from the bd. it's sqlite18:13
sicelos/bd/db/18:14
infobotsicelo meant: if all else fails, extract the from the db. it's sqlite18:14
atkok, that works too... I'll do that if all else fails18:14
sixwheeledbeastaren't emails stored in elsewhere18:14
atkon my server, yes18:15
atkI don't care about the emails on the phone though...18:15
atkwait... if backup backs up emails on the phone... that would explain why it takes ages18:15
atkI do indeed have maybe 20000 unarchived spam emails, but the N900 shouldn't have downloaded them18:15
atkI'll delete that email account from the phone first and maybe try again...18:17
sixwheeledbeastsorry I mean on the device, not in the .db18:19
sixwheeledbeastI have just started a backup now, lets see how long it takes. I have no email accounts on the device at the moment.18:22
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sixwheeledbeastbackup just finished, but sat on 0% for ages18:27
atkoh18:29
atkwell, I've just started it again after deleting the email account18:30
atkanother question: how do I install uboot?18:30
sicelosame way  you install everything else - application manager. (or apt-get, which is not generally recommended)18:32
atkoh, so it's just a package?18:33
atkalso: yay! the backup is now at 7%18:33
sixwheeledbeast~uboot18:34
infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8161318:34
atkok18:35
sixwheeledbeastpackages are in the thread with instructions18:35
atkonly 31MB of SMS18:36
atkthat seems like a lot actually... I don't text that many people18:37
atkok, time to replace the motherboard with one with a working keyboard18:37
atkand a working a lot of other things18:37
atkI do hope the SIM and SD slots work18:37
atkit's out of an N900 which looks like it was dropped, hopefully no BGA cracks18:38
sixwheeledbeastThink my backup was 67MB I did everything18:39
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atkmoment of truth...18:46
atktime to see if it can make and take calls18:46
atkI'm sure apple will remove that feature from their phones in the next version, so it might not seem as important.18:47
atkit connected to my network :D18:48
bencohcongratz18:48
atkneed to wait for the network configuration messages18:49
atkit makes and takes calls and receives SMS18:52
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atknow I'll see if that backup worked18:52
atkWhat's the recommended GPS program for the N900?18:55
sicelomaps, you mean? modrana18:55
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/408197018:56
DocScrutinizer05el-v1.db >1MB means your device comes to a grinding halt18:56
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe 2MB18:57
DocScrutinizer05it's a flaw in maemo that Nokia sw engineers never considered to fix: el-v1.db can grow to insane mad size and no process will ever take care to clean that stuff out18:59
atk600k here19:03
DocScrutinizer05another flaw: missing call end time, fixed by stored procedures patch, see ~jrtools19:03
DocScrutinizer05atk: for GPS test there's a tool19:04
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/location-test-gui/19:05
bencohthere's also a more complete, opensource one19:05
bencohgpsdata iirc19:06
DocScrutinizer05nore complete?19:07
DocScrutinizer05more*19:07
bencohshows satellites / strength19:08
DocScrutinizer05^^^ does19:08
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atksicelo: it's complaining about libespeak and espak-data being missing19:08
atkAre those in testing/devel somewhere?19:08
sixwheeledbeastI have used gpsdata19:08
sixwheeledbeastmodrana is more for mapping then GPS19:09
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atkIt would be nice to have something from walking-around mapping and also for driving navigation19:09
sixwheeledbeastmaybe best to pull the master tree from github if you want modrana. I still haven't heard back about getting an updated version in extras-devel.19:10
atkIs it normal for N900 to lock on very slowly (GPS) ? My previous N900 and this N900 both seem to take a while to actually get an accurate reading19:10
DocScrutinizer05takes like 20s here. with SIM19:11
sixwheeledbeastA-GPS should be quick, without can take minutes19:12
DocScrutinizer05if you got no SIM and no working SUPL, then... it can take 30min or forever19:12
atkA-GPS?19:12
sixwheeledbeastsupl a-gps19:13
atkMaybe both devices had a broken SUPL then19:13
atkBecause I've had it take minutes and this is taking minutes19:13
DocScrutinizer05most likely19:13
atkoh well, no GPS for me :P19:13
DocScrutinizer05~supl19:13
infobotsupl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen19:13
atkany map viewer then?19:13
sicelothat factooid should be updated.19:14
sixwheeledbeastsupl.google.com no longer works, only fix at the moment is hacking the hosts file.19:14
DocScrutinizer05feel free :-)19:14
sixwheeledbeast:nod:19:14
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo supl19:14
infobotDocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as supl19:14
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo #maemo supl19:14
infobot#maemo supl -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri Feb  8 08:26:00 2013 (1740 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 56s ago.19:14
atksixwheeledbeast: what do you mean hacking the hosts file?19:14
DocScrutinizer05~literal supl19:14
infobot"#maemo supl" is "<reply> supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen"19:14
siceloatk: modrana for something FOSS. for my needs, built-in Ovi Maps works fantastic.19:15
sixwheeledbeastI am going afk, sicelo knows ;)19:15
sixwheeledbeastbbl19:15
bencohatk: 52.22.201.16 supl.nokia.com19:16
atkcan't I just put the IP in the entry box? (I presume I can't)19:17
siceloiirc that doesn't work. you ae welcome to test :-)19:18
bencohI suppose you'd have some ssl verification issue then, but dunno :)19:19
sicelonote that supl doesn't work without some updates to the certman packages. see tmo.19:19
bencohah, right, there's that too19:19
bencohalthough it works here with stable-ish cssu (and I don't think I manually updated certman)19:19
atkhaving a working keyboard...19:20
atkit's amazing19:20
atk~tmo19:20
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.19:20
bencohI might have manually updated the cert store though ...19:20
atkoh, talk.maemo.org... I always get very confused by that acronym19:21
bencoh:)19:21
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DocScrutinizer05apropos, who's going to run a SUPL server for maemo now?19:32
atkhow do I test if the supl is being used?19:33
DocScrutinizer05now THAT's a very good question19:33
DocScrutinizer05strace liblocation? no idea19:33
DocScrutinizer05find the thread in tmo19:35
atkI think I found it, I'm reading through the pages19:36
atkhmm19:42
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atksupl.google.com _seems_ to work19:42
atkopenssl s_client connects fine19:43
atkgps locks quickly19:43
DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9065119:43
atkyeah... I found that thread19:43
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo supl is also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9065119:44
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0519:44
DocScrutinizer05~supl19:44
infobotsupl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9065119:44
bencohit should be "easy" since your phone has been unused for quite a long time and moved location19:50
bencohreceiving all the needed information to get a cold fix should take roughly 12mn iirc19:51
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atkI did actually wait 12 minutes and got a fix while I was researching these SUPL providers19:51
bencohhmm19:51
bencohthen we can no longer rely on that unless someone know of a reliable way to reset gps19:52
atkon another note19:57
atkwhen I try to install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" via HAM as specified by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 I get: "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy"19:58
sicelothere is a gps cache cleaner in one of the gps bug reports (bugs.maemo.org)20:05
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atkAnd final question: Where do I find quteTube2? I had it installed previously but now I can't find it when searching through HAM20:12
atks/qute/cute/20:13
atkah, I think I need extras20:18
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atkno, I do have extras20:19
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DocScrutinizer05((reliable way to reset gps)) tere's a R&D tool for that21:01
DocScrutinizer05https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c3521:05
DocScrutinizer05btw http://susepaste.org/6030546821:06
DocScrutinizer05warfare: xes: council: cert expired! ^^^21:06
DocScrutinizer05((reliable way to reset gps)) tere's a R&D tool for that  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/clear-gps-cache21:13
atkgood IRC client for N900?21:15
DocScrutinizer05((cold fix should take roughly 12mn iirc)) well, actually every SV (Sat) sends own position (ephemeral) every iirc 40s, so a GPS chip with enough correlators to try receive all possible codes at all possible doppler shifts would get a cold fix in max 40s21:16
DocScrutinizer05without assistance by SUPL or LLRP21:17
DocScrutinizer05RRLP?21:18
DocScrutinizer05~gsm-agps21:18
infobotRRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP21:18
atkcool, that worked21:19
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atkmy lock is taking ages again21:19
atknow let's try google21:19
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atkthat took seconds21:20
N900Buttsman, xchat is kinda fugly21:20
atkso supl.google.com works21:20
atk10/1021:20
atkDocScrutinizer05: today you get a rating of 10/1021:21
atkand so does everyone else21:21
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atkDocScrutinizer05: aside from being fugly, does it work well?21:22
atkand also: does it support SASL21:22
DocScrutinizer05hm?21:22
atkit's authentication based on a client cert21:22
DocScrutinizer05what you're talking about?21:23
atkyou basically have your own self signed cert and provide it to the server and the server has your FP and that's how auth works21:23
atkxchat21:23
DocScrutinizer05ooh21:23
DocScrutinizer05xchat is fine21:23
DocScrutinizer05on N90021:24
DocScrutinizer05~jrxchat21:24
infoboti heard jrxchat is <DocScrutinizer05> iSicelo: regarding xchat: some users say it changes from 'unbearable' to 'best IRC client on N900' by using: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/   <iSicelo> yes. i am one of those users who praised your 'tweaks'21:24
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MaemoButtsa lot of these applications feel like halfarsed ports of desktop ones.21:36
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DocScrutinizer05drive-by ranting?21:43
siceloseems to be CatButts21:44
atksasl on xchat...21:44
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atkeffort_required > effort_available21:45
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atkI think... you didn't do anything...?21:45
DocScrutinizer05ooh21:45
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sixwheeledbeastatk: I don't think your test will work for supl. I imagine if you use supl.google.com and reboot you will not get a fix.21:50
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sixwheeledbeastnot quickly via supl anyway21:50
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atkI don't really see why tbh...21:51
atkthe server IS there21:51
atkthe cert is correct21:51
DocScrutinizer05phmy21:51
DocScrutinizer05ohmy even21:51
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atkI'll try21:52
atkI'm still curious about that u-boot error btw21:54
atkgetting uboot working will be the final piece (I need that so I can put pmOS on an SD card and run it from the N900)21:54
atksixwheeledbeast: I rebooted and got a fix in under 5 seconds21:55
sixwheeledbeasthm well it certainly didn't work for a few people a while back. I assume you haven't edited your hosts file yet then.21:57
atkthe only edit was for supl.nokia.com not for supl.google.com21:57
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atkwith network positioning turned off and a GPS cache clear the GPSData program hasn't even gotten a rough guess of where I am21:58
atkI just turned on network positioning and it took 10 seconds21:59
atkYeah... I think it's working21:59
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MaemoButts_this is rude22:03
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DocScrutinizer05atk: you have a SIM?22:11
atkyes22:11
DocScrutinizer05so see RRLP22:11
DocScrutinizer05I always get cold fix within 15s and hot fix in <5s with SIM22:12
atkDo I need to enable this somehow?22:13
atkI mean, SUPL works atm22:14
DocScrutinizer05ot's actually unclear if "network positioning" also controls RRLP22:14
atkAh22:14
atkI did another test before22:14
atkwhere I passed a broken domain to the entry22:14
atk"ssupl.google.com"22:14
atkI'll try that again after clearing cache22:14
DocScrutinizer05it's however absolutely clear that a missing SIM blocks any RRLP22:14
DocScrutinizer05also correct system time has a massive impact on GPS, as paradox as it sounds22:16
atkI was aware of that22:16
atkIs there some place where I can configure NTP settings on N900?22:16
atkI sometimes have had issues with it automatically updating the time correctly (after reboots)22:17
DocScrutinizer05well, in NTP ;-)22:17
DocScrutinizer05maemo soesn't do NTP22:17
DocScrutinizer05unless you installed NTP package22:17
DocScrutinizer05maemo does cellular time22:17
atkoh...22:17
atkInteresting22:17
DocScrutinizer05also only with SIM, obviously22:18
MaemoButts_~uboot22:18
infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8161322:18
DocScrutinizer05it makes sense when you think about it: not everybody has a data plan, but everybody with a dataplan has a SIM to do cellmo time22:19
siceloif the networks does cellmo time though .. and if it is working22:19
DocScrutinizer05yep ;-D22:20
atk"U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" - installing this gave me an error from HAM22:20
atkit didn't let me install, something about 3rd party package polic22:20
atky22:20
DocScrutinizer05o.O22:20
sicelomakes sense ... it is going to override your kernel22:21
DocScrutinizer05ooh well, kernel is prolly core system protected by nokia trust22:21
atk"!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy"22:21
DocScrutinizer05atk: enable red pill, checkmark "ignore 3rd party policy" OWTTE22:22
DocScrutinizer05~redpill22:22
infobotfrom memory, redpill is http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode22:22
atkowtte - never heard that one before - "or words to that effect" I presume?22:22
DocScrutinizer05yes22:22
DocScrutinizer05meh, I think redpill is available in menu for speedyham, no?22:25
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DocScrutinizer05IOW check CSSU changelock for "enabled red pill in HAM" or somesuch22:26
DocScrutinizer05or simply check your HAM menu22:26
DocScrutinizer05to start with22:26
siceloor, if you're prepared to handle the pieces, use apt-get22:27
DocScrutinizer05should work for uBoot, yes22:28
DocScrutinizer05I'd actually think uBoot qualifies for "cli install package"22:28
DocScrutinizer05you don't want uBoot when you're not root and comfy with cli anyway22:29
atkI am a professional expert linux CLI user, people think I am hacking into a bank when I use my laptop.22:30
atkI think I qualify.22:30
atkAlthough I rarely use apt22:30
atku-boot should have been called uboot from the start22:32
DocScrutinizer05>>Reenabled Red Pill mode.<< http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo522:32
atk"You are going to flash new kernel image into ..... but new version string is not similar...." "old: 2.6.28-omap1" "new: U-Boot 2013.04"22:32
atkthat looks correct22:32
DocScrutinizer05>>Uncomment Red Pill mode GUI option for permanent Red Pill mode<<  Tmaemo1022:33
MaemoButts_What's the firefox version equiv of MicroB that ships with n900?22:33
atkDocScrutinizer05: I tried enabling red pill and it worked but HAM crashed when I tried to ignore the tppp22:34
DocScrutinizer05ugh22:34
atki installed u-boot-flasher anyway22:34
DocScrutinizer05changes in GAM menu should see a restart of HAM22:34
DocScrutinizer05s/G/H/22:34
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: changes in HAM menu should see a restart of HAM22:34
sicelo3.5 or somehting like that, MaemoButts_22:35
atkDocScrutinizer05: it crashed (actually said it crashed), after restarting the option was unset22:35
DocScrutinizer05yes, you should restart it *without* crah22:35
atkha!22:35
atkI'll do that next time22:36
DocScrutinizer05start, set option, quit, start again22:36
atkthe crash happened when I clicked "save"22:36
DocScrutinizer05ugh22:36
atkwell, anyway, uboot is installed22:37
atkand the N900 still works22:37
atkI wonder how I can turn off these TES Morrowind magic style sounds that the phone keeps emitting22:38
atkalthough actually.. I think they're growing on me#22:38
DocScrutinizer05errr *COUGH*  http://paste.opensuse.org/3717720622:38
atkCoworkers found it especially funny when they first heard my old Nokia ringtone.22:38
atkand also the shaking hands jingle22:38
* DocScrutinizer05 blinks22:39
DocScrutinizer05TES Morrowind magic style sounds?22:40
DocScrutinizer05http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Sound22:41
* DocScrutinizer05 scratches head22:41
MaemoButts_You mean the wooshy thing when you plug charger in?22:41
mp107The begging low battery tone also sounds unique22:43
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/389098222:45
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DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/6629214322:47
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DocScrutinizer05ok,   for f in /usr/share/sounds/ui*.wav; do echo $f;play-sound $f; done22:50
DocScrutinizer05atk: control volume in profile settings22:50
DocScrutinizer05"system tones" or somesuch22:51
atkDocScrutinizer05: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDWDS9FjUWw&feature=youtu.be&t=45s22:52
atkhttps://youtu.be/xDWDS9FjUWw?t=45s *22:52
atkthat whistling sound22:53
atkthat's what the "usb plugged in" sound sounds like to me22:53
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it does22:53
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DocScrutinizer05;-P   http://paste.opensuse.org/9184804222:55
* sicelo loves the usb/charger sound!22:55
sicelohehe DocScrutinizer05. that makes sound on every keyboard slide?22:57
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/139567722:57
DocScrutinizer05need this too22:57
DocScrutinizer05and dbus-scripting22:58
DocScrutinizer05search for it on tmo, it's explained there in some completely otgher topic thread ;-)22:58
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/23:03
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DocScrutinizer05sicelo: you can mute the sound by holding lockswitch while sliding open23:05
* DocScrutinizer05 every now and them muses about other funny or useful stuff to trigger by slide-open while holding a button23:06
DocScrutinizer05or, start self-destruction on slide-close while holding lockswitch and vol+ ? ;-D23:08
DocScrutinizer05for the paranoid Bonds err Bournes23:09
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DocScrutinizer05FWIW, for the curious minds: http://paste.opensuse.org/5448955823:12
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/2614027323:16
DocScrutinizer05atk: anyway you can swap /usr/share/sounds/ui*.wav for any other .wav you like23:19
DocScrutinizer05atk: note that for ringtones it's waaay more tricky though23:21
atkIt's fine23:21
atknokia ringtone is the best ringtone23:21
DocScrutinizer05LOL23:21
atkwhen Neo900 arrives, that's going to be my ringtone23:21
* DocScrutinizer05 got some DEVO song23:21
sixwheeledbeaster no. Nokia hands and nokia ringtone are the first things to change.23:24
DocScrutinizer05Q: Are we not men  A: we are DEVO23:24
DocScrutinizer05very convenient uniqueness and spectrum23:25
DocScrutinizer05heck no, N900 lies at me23:26
atksixwheeledbeast: nonsense, how will people know that you're stuck in 2008 if your 2008 nokia phone doesn't even sound like a 2008 nokia phone?23:27
atkheck, I was even thinking how I might keep the nokia handshake on the neo90023:28
sixwheeledbeastEr, opening the keyboard to text. Instantly triggers question of what phone do you have?23:28
DocScrutinizer05https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43gKl9xIME&feature=youtu.be&t=51723:30
DocScrutinizer05https://youtu.be/d43gKl9xIME?t=662 is total misfit for a ringtone, due to dynamic and spectrum23:33
DocScrutinizer05a pity23:33
atksixwheeledbeast: every time someone asks if I have an android or apple phone I have to explain...23:33
atkI mean... I don't get it...23:33
sixwheeledbeastnaturally, same for desktop.23:33
atkWhat are you supposed to change the ringtone to?23:33
atka long beep?23:33
atkthe sound of an old dial phone?23:34
sixwheeledbeastI use the classic "Nokia Low Ring"23:34
atkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqtPKy3h9-k ?23:34
DocScrutinizer05you're aware of the "use as ringtone" option in mediaplayer?23:35
sixwheeledbeastwell for people I don't know.23:35
atkWhy would I want a song as my ringtone?23:35
sixwheeledbeastI have custom ringtones for all contacts23:35
APicWhy not?23:35
atkthen people would know what I listen to23:35
APicSo?23:35
MaemoButtshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=YBOsBY1djr4 did someone say ringtones?23:35
APiclol23:35
atkI don't just tell random people what music I listen to!!?!?!23:35
* Maxdamantus uses the start of Rachmaninov's prelude in A minor23:35
atkOnly close friends get to know that.23:35
Maxdamantusor maybe it's A major, can't remember.23:36
sixwheeledbeastyes, that Low but a newer version from a later Nokia brick23:36
atkwhenever I have any ringtone I find the most generic thing I can find23:37
DocScrutinizer05atk: LOL, when we were young we had a thing called ghettoblaster ;-P23:37
atk15:9 -_-23:38
atkit's five by three23:38
atkfor fucks sake23:38
atk5:323:38
atklearn to divide23:38
atkyou innumerate fucks23:38
DocScrutinizer05huh?23:38
atkwrong channel23:38
atkI was very angry at someone stating an aspect ratio23:38
sixwheeledbeastI like having a custom ringtone for each contact I know who it is before i look at the screen.23:38
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: there's only one √ľackage for per-contact ringtones I know of, and that's a very brittle one23:39
sixwheeledbeastIt's not great but I prefer to have it than not.23:40
DocScrutinizer05yeah. Well could prolly use a sanitize/recover script in sysinit23:41
atksixwheeledbeast: how can you find enough generic ringtones for each contact?23:41
sixwheeledbeastShould have been implemented by Nokia IMO23:41
DocScrutinizer05it's too simple to make that thing mess up your settings and never recover23:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, absolutely >:-(23:42
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sixwheeledbeastI use music, the tracks associated to the person, normally tracks with good intros.23:43
atkhmm23:43
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sixwheeledbeastCan always reflash, and I don't plan on removing it23:43
atkBut then people know what music you listen to.23:43
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atkTelling people what music you listen to is like telling people personal details about yourself.23:44
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sixwheeledbeastI am not worried about that type of information being known in close proximity.23:45
atkhmm23:46
sixwheeledbeastIt's likely they would guess my music taste from my appearance23:46
APic*shrug*23:46
sixwheeledbeastEspecially if I was wearing a Slayer T-Shirt at the time for example...23:46
atkhmm23:46
* atk doesn't understand wearing band shirts either23:47
atkI guess I'm weird23:47
CatButts[21:43] <DocScrutinizer05> drive-by ranting?23:47
CatButtsswitching IRC clients23:47
DocScrutinizer05CatButts: yeah, realized that23:47
atkCatButts: did you find one which supports SASL out of the box?23:47
CatButtswhat's a sauce-el?23:48
atkhmm23:48
sixwheeledbeastI suppose it's to show support to a band and spread there name. I am not a huge band t shirt wearer, but it's an example.23:48
atknever mind23:48
CatButtsIrGGu is one I like so far23:52
CatButtsfor the interface23:52
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