IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2017-11-11

opt1musI think quite a few nonfunctioning USB ports on N900s disagree, to each their own00:00
DocScrutinizer05and finally, razher than filing away the latches, you can simply push them inwards slightly with your fingernails, to make them a tad softer00:01
opt1mushmm, perhaps bending them if that's possible would be favorable00:01
opt1musif they can be made to remain less proud00:02
DocScrutinizer05I used ~40 N900 and had no issues with ISB on a single one of them00:02
DocScrutinizer05I seen a dozen times how users abused their devices while unplugging USB00:03
DocScrutinizer05as a general rule, never use both hands for unplugging, correct unplugging is done with two fingers of one hand basically00:04
opt1musI baby mine, so it's never parted company from the board, so perhaps I'll never find out personally how much force is required to do so00:04
opt1musmaybe I've just been unlucky in having microUSB cables that've had overprominent prongs on them00:06
DocScrutinizer05some are a bitch initially, yes. Pencil and a 10 minutes of prying out the plug with fingernail and then remating it fix this00:12
DocScrutinizer05you can easily do 20 to 30 partial (1 - 2mm) unplug+replug cycles per minute00:12
DocScrutinizer05use a soft pencil (HB, B...) to 'lubricate' the exterior of the plug a bit00:13
opt1musinteresting technique, it's not like I use a wood rasp on it though00:14
DocScrutinizer05but the most important thing is to learn how to correctly unplug: grab the plug on *small* sides with your thumb and digit finger so close to the case that you can "roll" your fingertips against the case to pry out the plug00:15
DocScrutinizer05alternatively insert fingernail between plug and case and pry out plug with your nail00:18
DocScrutinizer05again bysupporting the finger(nail) against the case00:19
DocScrutinizer05NEVER hold case with one hand and _pull_ the plug with the other hand, creating all the force out of your elbows00:20
DocScrutinizer05or shoulders rather00:20
DocScrutinizer05you must be avle to unplug using one hand only, while the device sints on a pillow or other soft surface and doesn't get pushed into it00:21
DocScrutinizer05you must be able to unplug using one hand only, while the device sits on a pillow or other soft surface and doesn't get pushed into it00:22
opt1musis this pillow made from silk, or Egyptian cotton?00:25
opt1musI jest...00:25
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pkill9is it normal that when usb is plugged in, it kinda wobbles side to side?02:01
pkill9does that mean my usb port is gonna break?02:01
opt1musthere'll be a very small amount of movement, but fractions of a millimeter02:05
opt1musbut if it's mm of movement then I'd very careful02:05
opt1musI'd be careful either way02:06
opt1musif there was literally zero play at all; I'd be concerned02:07
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brolin_empeyopt1mus: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy?07:17
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WikiwideUnder what conditions does Camera app duplicate itself, freeze (to the point that Ctrl+Backspace command shows image being cropped, instead of resized, in camera's viewfinder), and generally become unresponsive?11:01
WikiwideI experienced it today after changing battery. I haven't encountered this problem in a while. It was made worse by general slowness of response of software.11:02
MaxdamantusWikiwide: ime it gets worse with a larger DCIM directory.11:15
Maxdamantusbut I think it can happen regardless.11:15
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DocScrutinizer05Wikiwide: I *think* this is related to an unknown bug in DSP. IIRC Pali or freemangordon know more details12:35
DocScrutinizer05I witnessed similar symptoms especially while shooting movies12:36
WikiwideYes, I was trying to shoot a movie when this happened. And my DCIM directory is quite large, with a "never delete, unless this image is boring _and_ was already emailed somewhen" policy13:00
MaxdamantusI suspect moving things out of the DCIM directory would have a massive improvement.13:06
WikiwideHmm, so it's not a tracker issue, it may be a strictly DCIM issue?13:07
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* Maxdamantus wrote a small script that moves things into separate directories based on month.13:07
MaxdamantusDunno if tracker contributes to it, but I don't use tracker and I remember having that issue pretty badly until I cleaned out DCIM.13:08
Maxdamantus(and by "cleaned out", I just mean moving the files to another directory)13:10
MaxdamantusPresumably so camera-ui doesn't have to scan over them or something, dunno.13:10
Maxdamantusas for viewing the images again, I use QImageViewer from the repository, which seems to be a lot nicer at dealing with changing directories than the normal "Photos" application.13:12
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DocScrutinizer05it might be tracker as well. I'm not sure. But a scenario of swap hell is plausible, when the camera process allocates buffers for the data pending to get written, and the system swaps out stuff to make space for those buffers, but the buffers can only get flushed when the storage bandwidth isn't hogged by the swap process anymore --> deadlock13:41
DocScrutinizer05this is a quite common scenario when a process constantly tries to write data at a rate not available from the system in current state. Swap kicks in and aggravates the situation13:43
DocScrutinizer05a system may run for hours at a IO write rate close to the bandwith limit, and occasionally one other process add a tiny additional load to IO and that makes the whole system going over the top13:44
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pkill9is anyone else unable to rotate the screen using xrandr in an alternate distro?18:01
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sunshaviHi on my n900 sms messages just get showed after restart. Seems the service (daemon) rtcom-messaging (whatever) is not running. Any idea how to start the service?19:55
DocScrutinizer05starting manually won't solve any problems19:57
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DocScrutinizer05there's a reason (called "problem") why any service isn't running though it usually should19:58
sunshavimmm. this package seems close sourced. So no any pkg for reinstalling it19:58
sunshaviflashing my only option?19:58
DocScrutinizer05given the root cause of the problem is completely unclear, yes19:58
sunshavithanks Docscrutinizer0519:59
DocScrutinizer05though I'd recommend a few other approaches first19:59
sunshavii am all ears19:59
DocScrutinizer05it's not unheard of that weird SMS content made services segfault19:59
sunshavibtw i have 2 n900s19:59
sunshavirtcom-messaging-ui dissapeared from the phone root partition20:00
sunshavii have cp'd files from the second n90020:00
sunshavithis rt-messaging-ui is web based. would be nice a gtk one20:01
sunshavithose messages that r not showed (they are stored on my phone) (or the cellular provider has them stored)?20:02
DocScrutinizer05also a "ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db" might be worth it20:02
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sunshavidatabase is present but not updated20:03
DocScrutinizer05delete it20:04
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sunshavishould i restart or send an sms to the phone from another phone?20:07
DocScrutinizer05el-v1.db gets restored pristine during next boot20:09
DocScrutinizer05^^^ for reference20:09
DocScrutinizer05so reboot, then send test SMS20:10
DocScrutinizer05I guess /home/user/.rtcom-messaging-ui/draft.db might be the template for el-v1.db20:11
sunshavii do not have locate installed. should i install it?20:11
DocScrutinizer05nah, a find / -name '*rtcom-messaging-ui*' -ls will do20:12
DocScrutinizer05will take ages though20:12
DocScrutinizer05and actually it doesn't provide much relevant info to you that is not already in
infoboti guess pkg is
sunshavigoing to restart the phone20:17
DocScrutinizer05you got /usr/bin/rtcom-messaging-ui and /usr/bin/rtcom-messaging-ui.launch20:18
DocScrutinizer05this looks suspicious: /home/user/MyDocs/downloads/rtcom-messaging-ui.tgz20:19
sunshavithat is the one i brought from my other n900 phone20:21
sunshavido you have the deb pkg?20:21
DocScrutinizer05it's in repo20:22
DocScrutinizer05seems sth messed up your system thoroughly, though20:22
DocScrutinizer05no idea how it can be "not installed" on your N90020:23
sunshavimmm. the repo urls are in /etc/...?20:23
DocScrutinizer05the repo urls are in HAM20:23
infobotjrrepos is, like,
DocScrutinizer05you're not, by any mishap, using fapman?20:31
* CatButts perks ears20:31
DocScrutinizer05...or decided to answer "yes" when apt.get suggested to uninstall a 23 dozen packages?20:32
sunshaviprobably yes, my root partition was full20:32
sunshavithis n900 has a broken screen20:33
sunshavilooking for the command for opening an url from cli on my notes20:33
DocScrutinizer05hmm ouch. Than won't help since HAM will ask you to nod off, after you clicked the URL20:34
sunshavifound it20:34
infoboti guess fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam20:36
infobotwell, hamvsfam is, or
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sunshavithanks DocScrutinizer0521:00
sunshavii have another question. which is the file i should replace from command line for changing the selected ring tone?21:01
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DocScrutinizer05sunshavi: that's a very tricy one21:31
DocScrutinizer05needs edits in at least 3 places21:31
DocScrutinizer05sunshavi: what's wrong with your display?21:32
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sicelosays it's broken. maybe physically :-/21:39
sunshavinot broken. But I can not extract one of the bolts21:40
sunshaviso removing the bolt not possible (what is the word one you can not remove the bolt cos the tool has not grip on the bolt?)21:41
sunshaviDocScrutinizer05: replacing the file in three places looks nice to me. as everything is going to be done with just one touch21:43
sunshaviand also for having custom sounds for the alarm. i could have a cron changing the sound before the alarm fires21:43
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