IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2017-10-15

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jonwilYES YES YES, my N900 is alive!00:18
jonwilFor the first time since this whole saga began, I have the scrolling dots00:19
jonwilGot the N900 to appear in Flasher and imminently flashed rootfs/Fiasco (no combined). So now unless something has gone wrong, I should be able to recover (and restore) the backupmenu backup I made earlier00:19
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jonwilbefore I do anything though I am going to copy the backupmenu backup off the phone00:23
jonwilI am now convinced that the only way to truly kill a N900 is a hardware failure (genuinely broken USB, cellular modem failure, whatever)00:24
sicelowelcome back!!!00:34
jonwilNow I am installing backupmenu whereupon I will reboot and restore my BM backups which will restore my phone to what it was before I installed CSSU00:35
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jonwilThen I will carefully install CSSU-testing00:35
jonwiland figure out very carefully what packages to install on top of that00:35
jonwilI have copied the BM backups of the phone along with everything else visible in "mass storage mode"00:36
KotCzarnyi still think uboot should check for some key before booting default config00:39
KotCzarnythen if key is pressed to boot into rescueos or the like00:40
jonwilI never had uboot installed00:41
jonwiljust nolo00:41
jonwilso that doesn't factor into it00:41
KotCzarnybut it would be nice for unbreaking rootfs00:43
KotCzarnymaybe even add flash image for internal reflash00:44
sicelowouldn't that be too much for u-boot .. remember we're limited to 2MB iirc00:44
KotCzarnyunless you repartition emmc and keep it that way00:45
KotCzarnyor maybe detect 'restore sdcard' inserted00:45
KotCzarnythen load things from there00:45
jonwilThe good news is that I am down $70 for the temporary crap phone and $45 for the external charger. Much cheaper than the cost of any new-to-me device with the desired feature set (likely including another N900)00:46
siceloKotCzarny: you can do that with bootmenu+uboot00:47
jonwilI think I will keep my SIM in the temp crap phone until I have finished restoring my old phone though00:47
jonwilThat way I can make calls while CSSU installs etc00:47
sicelojonwil: should look at rooting that android  :-)00:47
jonwilits got a locked bootloader I believe00:48
sicelowon't nearly be as good as the  N900, but will sure suck less00:48
sicelouh oh00:48
jonwilplus there is no reason to proceed with it now that my N900 is back up00:48
KotCzarnyjonwil: universal li-ion charger would surely be handy00:49
jonwilYep, I do have that now00:49
jonwiland it is handy00:49
KotCzarnypity you didnt order it in the past from china00:49
KotCzarnywould be few times cheaper and might be better00:49
KotCzarnyhindsight 20/2900:49
jonwilI have 3 batteries, one is the original (with the Nokia hologram sticker) which is sitting in the charger right now, one looks like the Nokia but without the hologram (possibly knock-off) and is sitting next to the charger waiting to be charged and the third is a 3rd party I bought from a "we sell batteries for everything" store and that's in my N900 right now00:50
jonwilI left it charging overnight on the external and when I got up the external said it was full00:51
KotCzarnythere were original nokia batteries without holo00:51
KotCzarnybut remember, if you are going to store batteries outside the device, discharge to ~40%00:51
jonwilwhy do that?00:52
jonwilWhat's wrong with storing charged batteries loose?00:52
KotCzarnyli-ion thing00:52
KotCzarnystoring empty/100% full makes them deteriorate faster00:52
KotCzarnyalso, keep them cool00:54
jonwilNow restoring backupmenu backup hopefully00:54
jonwilrestored rootfs, now restoring optfs00:56
jonwilAlthough since my clock is wrong its telling me "xyz timestamp is in the future"00:56
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jonwiloptfs restore complete01:00
jonwillets hope this has worked01:00
jonwilnow rebooting back to hopefully what I had before I started this mess01:00
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jonwilNow to install cssu-t and go from there01:05
infobotjrtools is probably
Maxdamantus10:39:53 < KotCzarny> i still think uboot should check for some key before booting default config01:31
MaxdamantusYou would just have a different default config that does that.01:31
KotCzarnyi know, i have implemented it in h3droid01:32
KotCzarnystill too lazy to apply it onto n90001:32
MaxdamantusI suspect the default configuration for N900 is probably already sufficient for that.01:33
MaxdamantusSince it goes through the partitions it can read looking for "boot.scr" or something.01:34
MaxdamantusMy boot.scr causes it to always show pali's boot menu.01:35
sicelohence my bootmenu comment earlier ... you can boot anything, even rescueOS01:36
KotCzarnybut i meant it to be standard feature01:36
MaxdamantusSo the N900 uboot images all have rescueOS inside them?01:37
siceloMaxdamantus: no.01:37
KotCzarnyand maybe fiasco images too01:37
MaxdamantusKotCzarny: the uboot image is meant to fit inside the "kernel" flash partition.01:38
Maxdamantuswhich is something like 4MB, dunno.01:38
KotCzarnythat's why i commented that it could look for data on sdcard01:38
KotCzarnyand if found, to trigger rescue menu01:38
MaxdamantusRight, it already does that, except it looks for a "boot.scr", which is more powerful.01:38
Maxdamantusbecause the boot.scr can just include the commands to boot anything.01:39
siceloKotCzarny  should just try it :)01:39
KotCzarnyso we need nice prepared sdcard image that would allow reflash/rescueos when inserted01:39
Maxdamantusor it can include the commands to populate and show the boot menu.01:39
Maxdamantuss/the //01:40
infobotMaxdamantus meant: or it can include commands to populate and show the boot menu.01:40
jonwilNote to self: NEVER run apt-get upgrade on an N900, especially if you have extras-devel or cssu-devel in your repo list01:40
KotCzarnyjonwil, doing newbie flops?01:40
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KotCzarnyit's standard warning to every new n900 owner we give here01:40
jonwilIts often the "power users" who forget the basics01:41
jonwilbecause they think they know better and ignore or forget the "newbie" advice01:41
sicelog'nite all o/01:41
KotCzarnynite nite01:41
MaxdamantusI think the main thing to do is encourage people to actually use uboot, since if you have one of the normal N900 uboot images that are floating around, you should be able to rescue your device regardless of whether your USB port works, etc01:42
Maxdamantus(just as long as you have a charged battery)01:42
Maxdamantus(and an SD card)01:42
jonwilNot having an SD card is part of my problem.01:42
DocScrutinizer05well, discharging to 40% is a tad over the top. 80% will do just fine01:43
jonwilAnyone want to suggest what sort of memory card I should be looking for for the N900?01:43
KotCzarnyjonwil, what are you going to store on sdcard?01:44
KotCzarnychroot or just media?01:44
DocScrutinizer05basically just go ~0.2V below max voltage, which would be like 4.0V, to store cel, then01:44
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: congrats01:44
jonwilI want one to store backups from backupmenu01:44
DocScrutinizer05any SD will do01:44
jonwiland also other general stuff01:44
KotCzarnythen any reliable one will do01:44
KotCzarnybeware kingstones/nonames/fakes01:44
jonwilWould any of these work? which of these should I buy
jonwilGuessing either of the first 2 in the list would be fine01:45
DocScrutinizer05forget EXTREME, waste of money01:45
Maxdamantusjonwil: all of them would work.01:45
jonwilI figure the $14.95 one should be more than enough01:46
jonwilWhat size is internal emmc on N900 again?01:46
KotCzarnythe more, the merrier01:46
Maxdamantus32 GB01:46
KotCzarny32gb is nicer than 1601:46
DocScrutinizer05eMMC 3201:46
* Maxdamantus has a 128 GB SD card.01:46
DocScrutinizer05~28 available01:46
* DocScrutinizer05 got himself a 128GB uSD, just because so many of his music is FLAC01:48
* KotCzarny likes module music01:51
jonwilOf course now I need to figure out how to get my SIM card to fit in N900 again since I had to punch it out to smaller size for the temp crap phone.01:51
KotCzarnytunes ranging from 1kB to few megs01:51
KotCzarnyjonwil, put it back into cutout01:51
jonwilAlthough I suspect I can just use the bit I punched it out of as adapter01:51
KotCzarnyyou can use some thin tape to keep it in01:52
jonwilok, cssu-testing now installed01:54
jonwilNow to manually install those packages that are outdated in CSSU-testing where being out of date actually makes a difference01:55
jonwilok, I screwed up and need to restore my backupmenu backup and then reinstall CSSU again. My clock is wrong and all the file dates on my system are out of whack meaning I need get my clock set right THEN install CSSU-testing again02:03
jonwilI kept getting "timestamp in the future" errors that should have been a sign I did something wrong.02:04
KotCzarnymaybe BM should also save some timestamp02:05
KotCzarnyto keep things sane02:05
KotCzarnyand set clock if device is in the past02:05
jonwilYeah it should keep a timestamp of when the backup was made02:07
jonwiland if the backup is newer than the phone clock, set it to whatever is set in BM02:07
jonwilI do love that its a lot harder to loose your personal user data on an N900 than it is on an iPhone or Android02:08
jonwilok, my clock is now set correctly02:08
jonwilMeaning I can restore my BM backup again and get no errors I hope02:08
jonwilThen in goes CSSU-testing02:09
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DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't even worry about timestamps at all02:39
DocScrutinizer05orjust: man tar02:39
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jonwilwell my phone is up with the correct clock and BM restored with no errors02:40
jonwilSo now I just need to install CSSU-testing and we are good to move forward02:40
DocScrutinizer05ift did restore without errors in the first place as well, just told you *warnings* about tar restoring file mtimes that are into the future with respect to current system time02:43
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DocScrutinizer05no idea about apt02:44
DocScrutinizer05prolly also just warnings02:45
DocScrutinizer05anyway nobody really bothers what mtime your files have02:45
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: anyway nothing really bothers what mtime your files have02:46
DocScrutinizer05except for incremental backups that are not supported by any known backup method (except rsync) on maemo02:47
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jonwilNow installing cssu-enabler02:52
DocScrutinizer05I hope you fixed the repos beforehand, seems I recal cssu-installer might blow chunks otherwise02:58
DocScrutinizer05aah wait, BM restore, so prolly a moot point03:00
DocScrutinizer05thought you did system flashing03:00
jonwilWhat I did in order was:1.Flashed stock Fiasco. 2.Installed BM. 3.Restored my backup with incorrect clock. 4.Installed CSSU-T with incorrect clock. 4.Re-installed my BM backup with correct clock and now I am re-installing CSSU-T03:03
jonwilwhich will give me what I want :)03:03
jonwilOnce I get CSSU-03:04
jonwilcssu-t installed I will be good to go I hope03:04
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jonwilI think I will manually download any deb files from cssu-devel and install them with dpkg, that way I never worry about packages from that repo I dont want03:05
jonwiland dont risk getting whatever it was before that lead to the bootloop03:06
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jonwilwhich was probably related to thumb stuff03:07
jonwilaha, its clock-ui that's the one to avoid03:16
jonwilIt seems like clock-ui (the version in cssu-devel and the version in cssu Git) builds as thumb even on the non-thumb master branch. Not good.03:21
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: >>download any deb files from cssu-devel and install them with dpkg<< sounds like an excellent plan to me03:21
DocScrutinizer05ouch @ thumb build03:22
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jonwilI suspect somehow that caused something to screw up re kernel or modules or both and that caused the problems with kernel modules unable to load and then boot issues03:23
DocScrutinizer05wird story but you know... computers ;-D03:23
jonwilI am going to talk to fmg about that clock-ui thumb problems :)03:24
DocScrutinizer05yeah, please do03:24
jonwilits his fault anyway, he made the relavent commits :P03:24
jonwilcssu-testing clock-ui (whatever version that is) seems not to be affected I dont think03:24
jonwilotherwise a lot more people would have issues03:25
DocScrutinizer05about cssu-devel actually you shouldn't *want* any of the packages from there. Packages are broken by definition as long as they are in cssu-devel03:25
jonwilI will be installing very select packages that are newer than cssu-testing based on things I know I want and know are safe enough to install03:26
jonwile.g. I need newer maemo-security-certman03:26
jonwiland I need newer connui-home-cellular03:26
DocScrutinizer05well, be prepared to help debug those then03:27
DocScrutinizer05as soon as they are considered bug-free they should not stay in cssu-devel03:27
jonwilThe problem is we have no-one to update cssu-testing03:27
DocScrutinizer05that's a problem in deed if it's true. what's with merlin1991?03:28
jonwilSo there are a lot of newer versions that should be in cssu-testing but aren't03:28
jonwilAnd there are versions in git that should be in cssu-devel (or even cssu-testing)03:28
jonwilQuite a few of the packages I am going to install on top of CSSU-testing are packages I was running on my phone before I started down the whole CSSU journey03:29
jonwilso I know they are safe enough03:29
jonwilSome I will need to read changelogs of and make a decision there03:29
jonwilAnything I am not sure about wont get installed.03:30
DocScrutinizer05just make sure you make BM backups to roll back03:33
jonwilOk cssu-t is installed, now to do a BM backup and start installing more03:46
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jonwilok, installed everything I want, now making one more BM backup before I call it done, reboot into Maemo, plug it into the charger and then leave it alone until its full again05:55
jonwilI didn't install anything that looked risky such as things having to do with bootup or modules05:56
jonwilto avoid any chance of a repeat of last time05:56
jonwilOr not, something I installed made some hildon package not start. Let me see what the story is06:04
jonwilprobably something mis-compiled somewhere06:05
jonwilIt gets as far as the set-time menu before not displaying h-d after that06:06
jonwilI know what I did wrong and how to fix it06:18
jonwilI suspect some of the more recent clones (e.g. hildon-plugins-notify-sv) aren't as stable as I have been lead to beleive06:24
jonwilOr they didn't compile properly on my box for some reason06:24
jonwilI know what I screwed up and I know what I need to do to unscrew it06:25
jonwilTime for one final BM backup and we are done07:03
jonwilIt seems like some of the recent clones by FMG (the ones that aren't in cssu-devel at this point) aren't as safe as I thought they were07:05
jonwilwell actually after this BM backup is finished, I got one more thing to do, copy said BM backup off the phone to my PC for safety07:06
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jonwilI just wanted to thank everyone on here for whatever help may have been given when it came to getting my phone going again.07:15
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jonwilWithout the great people in this community the N900 wouldn't be anywhere near as great a phone.08:21
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rhombusDocScrutinizer05: are you around?22:27
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: Amazing -- and great22:28
DocScrutinizer05long time no see22:28
rhombusI see you found a communications person22:28
rhombushow is that working out?22:28
DocScrutinizer05well, come ci come ca´22:28
rhombusI'm not sure how to interpret that :)22:29
DocScrutinizer05always need more help22:30
rhombusIs that person not following through on their commitments?22:31
rhombusAnyway, I'm here primarily because -- don't freak -- I haven't flashed my N900 yet.22:32
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rhombusI tried reading through the log of our last conversation on this topic where you suggested lazyflashing22:33
rhombusI haven't done this yet because I wanted to back up the phone first, and it's not really clear how that works, either.22:33
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rhombusAlso -- I have the phone connected as a USB mass storage device to my system right now, and I can't find Nokia N900 directory where I have my Notes files saved22:35
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: did you step away from the computer? I hear that sometimes people actually need to use the toilet. But I think that's just a rumour.22:36
DocScrutinizer05USB mass storage only exports MyDocs/ but not ~user/22:38
infobotmethinks backupmenu is, or one-click install handling dependency issues:
DocScrutinizer05does backup everything except MyDocs22:38
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: so I should reconnect and choose PCSuite instead?22:39
DocScrutinizer05so suggested procedure: install BM, do a backup to MyDocs/backups/foobar, then copy ;yDocs to PC via mass storage22:39
DocScrutinizer05alternatively do BM backups to a uSD card22:40
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rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I don't get it, though, the last time I connected to the phone I was able to copy over my files, now I all I see is the DCIM directory with some photos in it22:42
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: Also... how do I get root privileges?22:42
infobotmethinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here:, or, or <ShadowJK> rootsh gives you "sudo gainroot", to get root privs but user environment (similar as "su"), and "root", which gives you root privs root env (similar to "su -")22:42
DocScrutinizer05via Application mamager22:43
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: That's how I install things, is it?22:43
DocScrutinizer05high level hints:22:44
infobotjrtools is, like,
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: Sorry for all the questions. Do I have to install BM via WLAN? Or can I copy it onto the phone via the USB mass storage connection?22:49
DocScrutinizer05Use WLAN internet, click in N900 browser22:50
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DocScrutinizer05there's an expert way to download the needed *.dpkg files and install them using dpkg -i <file> but that's not recommended22:52
DocScrutinizer05also you need root for that ;-D22:53
rhombusyeah, I'm still really confused about where stuff is and how this all works, I don't want to brick the phone22:53
DocScrutinizer05err well, *maybe* not, you probably could locate the files in microB browser under file://... and click on them22:53
DocScrutinizer05you cannot brick the N90022:53
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: Really? I read somewhere that if certain files are deleted, then it can't be charged and you can't connect or some such22:54
rhombusit looked like an ominous warning22:54
DocScrutinizer05worst case you could nuke your MAC and BT MAC addr etc22:54
rhombusok, well that's reassuring :)22:55
DocScrutinizer05only if you do *very* bizarre things, for which you need root anyway ;-)22:55
rhombusOk, I am trying to load BM and it's saying "mirror, read WARNING!)22:55
DocScrutinizer05e.g. you shouldn't run nandtest22:56
DocScrutinizer05ignore that22:56
rhombuswhat is
DocScrutinizer05a repo replacing dead Nokia22:56
rhombusso I can select "add" and proceed?22:56
rhombusI had to do it four times22:57
DocScrutinizer05yeah, probably adds four new repos22:57
rhombus"Installation wird vorbereitet, bitte warten" -- crazy22:57
rhombusI see a progress bar22:57
DocScrutinizer05that will take ages now22:57
DocScrutinizer05then even longer without any progress bar... WAAAAIT!22:58
rhombusOk, the progress bar is now about halfway through22:58
rhombusthree quarters22:58
rhombus99 %22:58
DocScrutinizer05it might take up to 15 minutes22:58
rhombusoh, it's cycling22:58
rhombusNow I just see the Application Manager main screen22:59
infobothmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM, now included in CSSU.22:59
infobotcssu is probably, or (Community Seamless Software Update)22:59
rhombusyou anticipate many questions22:59
infobotsomebody said jrtools was
rhombusI looked at jrtools but to be honest it was a bit cryptic to me23:00
rhombuswhat I want to do is23:00
DocScrutinizer05HAM is finished when it shows meaningful content and not just an empty screen23:00
rhombus1. back up my phone. I have loads of short messages and contacts that I want to save.23:00
DocScrutinizer05for contacts and msgs use "backup" app from applicationsmenu23:01
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I see the App Manager main screen with "Uninstall" and "Download" and "Update". Is that meaningful content? :)23:01
DocScrutinizer05click on "uninstall" and type "rootsh"23:01
DocScrutinizer05should show up -> close the screen23:02
DocScrutinizer05close HAM23:02
DocScrutinizer05open xterm23:02
DocScrutinizer05type "root"23:02
rhombusok, I'm doing a backup through the native tool first23:03
rhombusThere's also my calendar, if I lose that, I'm screwed23:03
rhombusok, backup complete, 3.5 MB saved23:03
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: How do I get the backup off the phone?23:03
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DocScrutinizer05it asked you where to backup to, no?23:04
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: um23:05
rhombuswhereever that is :)23:05
DocScrutinizer05on eMMC23:05
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: that's internal memory?23:06
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: ok i didn't see rootsh in the installed applications23:06
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I interrupted the BM install because I wasn't sure that I need it if I've got a backup of my communications etc.23:07
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: was that a mistake?23:07
DocScrutinizer05try finding rootsh in HAM "install"23:07
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: App Manager is checking updates :/23:07
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: It does that automatically, yes?23:08
DocScrutinizer05once a week23:08
DocScrutinizer05per default, iirc23:08
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: so I browse the HAM using the internal browser?23:08
DocScrutinizer05no, you open HAM and click on "install"23:09
DocScrutinizer05err "Download"23:09
DocScrutinizer05then you use kbd and type "rootsh"23:09
DocScrutinizer05it starts a incremental search23:10
rhombusah, ok -- is HAM what it's called with an English interface?23:10
DocScrutinizer05Hildon application Manager23:10
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I think I have a small problem here23:11
rhombuswhen I select "Download" it churns and I get a blank screen23:11
DocScrutinizer05takes ages23:11
rhombusah, ok23:11
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rhombusas long as I know I have to wait I'm fine waiting :)23:11
rhombusmy screen blanks quickly. Will it wake up when it's done?23:12
DocScrutinizer05eventually it *will* come up with icons23:12
rhombusby "blank" I mean goes dark23:12
DocScrutinizer05use slider screen or shuft key to light it up again23:12
DocScrutinizer05slider key**23:12
rhombusNow it says "Program list partially updated. Some catalogs are not available. Verify catalog details."23:12
rhombusAh, those are the old Nokia catalogs23:13
DocScrutinizer05can you dismiss this dialog?23:13
rhombusNokia Apps, Nokia system updates and Ovi23:13
DocScrutinizer05yes, you should deactivate them23:13
rhombusHow do I do that?23:13
DocScrutinizer05not now ;-)23:13
rhombusah, ok23:13
rhombusI see a screen with a bunch of categories now23:14
rhombusEducation, Office, Development, etc23:14
DocScrutinizer05you eventually go to HAM's menu, select "catalogs" and click on the 3 defect ones, a new rewuester opens that has a "deactivate" button or the like23:14
DocScrutinizer05click "all"23:15
rhombusright, I saw the catalogs button23:15
rhombusok, clicked all.23:15
rhombuslots of stuff here23:15
DocScrutinizer05type rootsh23:15
DocScrutinizer05after "roo" you should already see it23:16
rhombusgot it23:16
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rhombusit is downloading 1 GB23:17
rhombusor it seems that way at least, it is very slow23:17
rhombussorry, 1 KB :P23:17
rhombusbut the progress bar is inactive. What's up with that?23:18
rhombusIs it supposed to be this slow?23:18
DocScrutinizer05ignore it23:18
rhombus1 application successfully installed! Hooray!23:18
rhombusok, so now I can get root if I need it.23:19
DocScrutinizer05test it23:19
DocScrutinizer05open xterm; root<enter>; id<enter>23:20
DocScrutinizer05step1 accomplished23:21
DocScrutinizer05disable catalogs now23:21
rhombusok, so I was right that I need root, correct?23:21
DocScrutinizer05you need root for a lot of the more funny stuff, yes23:21
rhombusSo for the catalogs, all I have to do is select "deactive", correct?23:22
DocScrutinizer05also disbale maemo-extras-devel catalog23:22
DocScrutinizer05if it's enabled23:22
rhombusit says... (*DOOM!*)23:22
rhombusI'm afraid to touch it23:22
DocScrutinizer05My joke23:22
rhombusI have to wait for HAM to update the app list23:23
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rhombusThis is like waiting for the bus23:23
infobotwell, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM, now included in CSSU.23:23
rhombusso I can install speedyham now, right?23:23
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DocScrutinizer05you should install CSSU23:24
rhombusoh right23:24
rhombusbut I should flash the phone first, no?23:24
rhombusok, I disabled maemo-extras-devel catalog23:24
DocScrutinizer05unless you know the phone has a working untampered system23:25
rhombusit is updating again at incredible spee- er, I mean incredible slow23:25
DocScrutinizer05in which case you could go CSSU right away23:25
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: no, I have no idea whether the system is untampered23:25
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DocScrutinizer05then reflash23:25
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: in fact, I am a bit ashamed I waited this long to flash it23:25
infobotfrom memory, lazyflashing is
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I was just too busy :/ which is a stupid excuse23:26
DocScrutinizer05no, isn't23:26
rhombusok, so all I have to do is enter that one single command, and it does the whole flash routine?23:26
rhombusWhat happens to my backup?23:26
DocScrutinizer05your backup should be safe unless you flash 'all' which I don't recommend. You should copy the backup to PC via mass stoage23:27
DocScrutinizer05or actually, you should do flash "all"23:28
rhombusthat was also my intuition23:28
rhombushow do I get the backup to mass storage?23:28
DocScrutinizer05and NEVER keep USB mass stoare attached while doing backup, or take photos or whatever23:28
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I tried to mount the phone but it failed because the HAM was open23:28
DocScrutinizer05when you can't find the backup, odds are you already had USB mass sto enabled during backup23:29
rhombuslet me mount the phone again first before I guess23:29
DocScrutinizer05in mass storage mode basically you must not use the phone at all23:29
DocScrutinizer05umplug, reboot, do backup, plug and select "mass storage", find backup in mass stoarge23:30
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: ok23:30
rhombusI just mounted the phone and all I see is a DCIM directory and "System Volume Information"23:30
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: Ah, sorry23:31
rhombusI missed your last message23:31
rhombusunplug, reboot, do backup23:31
rhombusgot it23:31
rhombusI haven't rebooted in ages23:31
DocScrutinizer05mass sorage umounts the MyDocs from N900 system so it has no access to that volume anymore as long as mass sto active23:32
rhombusmakes sense23:32
DocScrutinizer05even worse: the phone doesn't notice that23:32
rhombusI just held down the power button23:32
rhombusthe LED went white23:32
rhombusnow the phone is unresponsive23:32
rhombusI presume that means it is off23:32
DocScrutinizer05it takes 20s to really shut off23:33
rhombusvery cunning, this phone23:33
DocScrutinizer05the press power buttin until white light all brught23:33
rhombusit does all sorts of automatic and crazy shit, as though it has a mind23:33
rhombusok, I think that was 20 s23:34
rhombusor 4023:34
DocScrutinizer05it's a full linux system just like your PC (I hope)23:34
rhombusLinux thinkpad_T500 4.9.16-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Jul 9 16:49:15 CEST 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux23:34
rhombusI do not use toy operating systems23:34
rhombusexcept at work, where I am forced to (ugh)23:35
DocScrutinizer05it booted?23:35
rhombusNow I see an adult taking the hand of a small child23:35
rhombusphone booted23:36
rhombuslet me wipe the last backup and redo it23:36
sicelonokia pedophile :p23:36
rhombus"come with me, I have candy"23:37
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rhombusvery nice23:37
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DocScrutinizer05see ~jrtools how to use it23:38
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DocScrutinizer05sorry for shameless self-hyping23:39
xy2_rhombus: you should probably update gentoo-sources btw..23:39
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rhombusxy2_: why is that? these were still current at the last update23:41
rhombusxy2_: but they are not anymore, I just noticed23:41
* DocScrutinizer05 announces afk in a few minutes23:42
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: ok, hang tight, I just had to go to the door for a second23:42
rhombusCan you stick around a few minutes while I do the flash?23:42
DocScrutinizer05if you hurry23:42
DocScrutinizer05but GET YOUR BACKUP first!23:43
DocScrutinizer05to your PC23:43
rhombusI am redoing the backup as we speak23:43
rhombusor type23:43
rhombusbackup complete23:43
rhombusok, so now mount the USB mass storage?23:44
rhombusAh, now I can see my shit again!23:44
rhombusIt pays to reboot, it appears23:44
sicelowpa2 broken it seems,
DocScrutinizer05it pays ti unplug USB massrage when doing stuff on phone23:45
rhombusBut I wasn't doing anything on the phone when I first connected23:46
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: hooray, finally¡¡23:46
rhombusI couldn't see all the storage23:46
DocScrutinizer05maybe a jiccup23:46
rhombusa jiccup, exactly what I was thinking23:47
rhombusok, I have copied the backup over to my PC23:47
DocScrutinizer05lazyflashing "all?YES"23:47
rhombusnow disconnect, yes?23:47
DocScrutinizer05then run lazyflashing and follow instructions. Already shutdown phone23:48
rhombusAlready shutdown phone?23:48
rhombusOh, you mean I've done that step already23:48
rhombusaren't I supposed to remove the SIM?23:48
DocScrutinizer05no, you should do it23:48
rhombusah, you mean shutdown phone now?23:48
rhombusshutting down now23:49
infoboti guess lazyflashing is
DocScrutinizer05wait 20s, then remove SIM and battery23:49
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rhombusopening this phone is an art23:50
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DocScrutinizer05meanwhile lazyflashing should show instructions, right?23:51
DocScrutinizer05or is it still downloading?23:51
rhombusum, I haven't turned the phone back on yet23:52
rhombushad trouble getting the SIM out23:52
DocScrutinizer05you don't!!!23:52
rhombussorry, totally confused23:52
rhombusI run the lazyflashing on my PC!23:52
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: Sorry!23:53
DocScrutinizer05bp :-)23:53
DocScrutinizer05np even23:53
rhombusI need to change this command as I don't have sudo23:53
rhombusI use su exclusively23:54
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: where is it calling sudo?23:55
DocScrutinizer05in the c&p commadline23:55
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rhombussorry, blind today23:55
DocScrutinizer05you can spit that up into two lines23:56
rhombusWelcome to N900 flasher tool v3.1!23:56
rhombusso I answer YES?23:57
DocScrutinizer05it will proceed downloading the images23:57
rhombusif you want to flash your homedir and MyDocs too (aka eMMC flashing), answer 'YES'23:58
rhombusI want this, yes?23:58
DocScrutinizer05to flashh all, you answer YES23:58
DocScrutinizer05wait, a last question23:58
DocScrutinizer05you did backup your stuiff via BM niw?23:58
rhombusuh oh: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory23:58
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: no, I didn't. Should I? I just used the native backup tool23:59
DocScrutinizer05you have contacts and msgs etc via regualar backup, but you may want a complete system backup too, just in case23:59
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rhombusDocScrutinizer05: ok, so I need to start the phone up again and install BM23:59

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