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badcloud-has anyone managed to boot latest kali?10:42
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badcloud-or any latest distro for that matter12:02
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badcloud-*latest version of distro I mean12:03
DocScrutinizer05heard nothing recently12:05
DocScrutinizer05except maemo devuan12:06
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badcloud-DocScrutinizer05: thanks12:24
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jonwilI have just bought a "unviersal Li-Ion charger" and according to the LCD display on the thing, one of my 3 N900 batteries is currently charging. YAY.14:42
Wizzupnice, those are useful14:42
jonwilYeah with any luck it will fill my battery up to the point that it has enough juice that nolo will allow flasher to see the phone and I can do some fixing...14:44
Wizzupbut the usb port is still fubar right?14:44
Wizzupdid you open it up to look?14:44
jonwilI dont think it is14:44
jonwilIt might not be14:44
jonwilI wont know until14:45
jonwiluntil I actually try it14:45
jonwilThe fact that when I have it plugged into USB and then put in the battery I get a very dim NOKIA logo that has a USB icon for about 2s that then vanishes suggests the port isn't as broken as I thought14:45
Wizzupbetter fix it in place while you can :)14:47
KotCzarnyi hope i was right about your batteries to be flat14:58
buZzjonwil: woooooooot15:05
jonwilOk Flasher can see the phone now. YAY.15:05
buZzcake and alcohol all round15:05
KotCzarnyjonwil: hehe, remember you were saying that all your batts are fine?15:06
KotCzarnytried 3!15:06
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jonwilRescueOS is open15:09
jonwilAnd I am now going to run chargebat script in rescueos and let the actual N900 hardware charge my battery until it wants to stop15:12
jonwilmean time lets use that external charger on another battery15:14
* Wizzup eyes his hildon-desktop powered allwinner tablet15:16
siceloWizzup: model?15:25
Wizzupsome inet thing,15:26
freemangordon_sixwheeledbeast: hi, do you remember the name we choose for the new maemo release last time we discussed it?15:31
freemangordon_KotCzarny: no, I think it was Kona15:33
freemangordon_but I am not sure15:33
KotCzarnyah, right15:33
KotCzarnyremembered 4 letters15:33
KotCzarnyjust didnt know which15:33
KotCzarnyyou sure dont want willie-willie ?15:34
freemangordon_yes, sure :D15:35
freemangordon_Oroshi will be it15:39
freemangordon_any objections?15:39
KotCzarnymissed letters?15:40
freemangordon_well, it is not needed to be in sequental order15:40
freemangordon_example scirocco diablo fremantle harmattan15:41
freemangordon_ok, no objections accepted from now on -
KotCzarnyno name with uan at the end?15:46
freemangordon_wtf is that?15:47
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KotCzarnyA violent squally wind from north or north-northeast in the Gulf of Tehuantepec (south of southern Mexico) in winter. It originates in the Gulf of Mexico as a norther which crosses the isthmus and blows through the gap between the Mexican and Guatamalan mountains. It may be felt up to 100 miles out to sea. See also PAPAGAYO15:52
freemangordon_Wizzup: like what?15:55
Wizzupone sec.15:55
freemangordon_KotCzarny: I am not sure I will be able to pronounce it. sounds more like Eyjafjallajökull15:56
Wizzupwell, just, something not japanese15:57
Wizzuplet me ask a few people from finland15:57
freemangordon_why Finland?15:57
WizzupI mean15:57
WizzupI don't want to dictate anything, just asking15:58
WizzupI don't care much, just preference for not japanese15:58
freemangordon_I am fine either ways, as soon as it sounds tasty :D15:58
freemangordon_oroshi sounded like a kind of sushi, thus I liked it ;)15:58
Wizzupwe could go the openwrt name, find an alcoholic drink16:01
infobotWizzup meant: we could go the openwrt way, find an alcoholic drink16:02
Wizzuplaiva ?16:03
freemangordon_what is that?16:04
freemangordon_this is not a wind16:05
freemangordon_what about Lodos or Leste16:05
Wizzupno, but it fits in the 'burning ship'16:05
Wizzup meme16:05
KotCzarnyThe Oroshi wind which causes unpredictable damage16:05
KotCzarnyMaf\u016b (\u9b54\u98a8 lit., devilish wind, 1853)16:06
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Wizzupok.. how about...16:06
freemangordon_KotCzarny: pidgin cannot read what you wrote :)16:06
freemangordon_Wizzup: lets continue that tradition using wind names16:07
freemangordon_isn;t that island?16:07
freemangordon_choose a one from here16:08
Wizzupfreemangordon_: from the tazmanian devil :)16:08
freemangordon_yes, yes16:08
freemangordon_KotCzarny: Wizzup doesn't like japanese16:08
freemangordon_ok, what about Leste16:08
WizzupWreckhouse ? ;p16:09
freemangordon_or Solano. This is sunglasses as well, but16:10
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freemangordon_too "latino"16:10
parazydmaemo bayamo sounds crap though16:10
freemangordon_hmm, Leste likes me more and more16:11
Wizzup15:10 < parazyd> maemo bayamo sounds crap though16:11
freemangordon_i was thinking about Lodos as well, but I think Maemo Leste sounds better16:11
Wizzupfine with either.16:12
Wizzupand this will match with jessie?16:12
freemangordon_oh, wait16:12
Wizzupmaybe elephanta next :)16:12
freemangordon_no, no, this will match whatever we call release16:12
freemangordon_I think we'll want to rebase to ascii first16:13
freemangordon_before calling it a day16:13
siceloi'm liking 'leste' too16:13
freemangordon_parazyd: ^^^16:13
parazydso, maemo-leste ?16:13
sicelothere's Maestro as well - which seems nicely related to maemo16:13
freemangordon_but, is debit cards brand :)16:14
siceloah yes :)16:14
freemangordon_ok, great, everybody's happy16:14
KotCzarnyleste? lol16:15
Wizzupalmost everybodt16:15
KotCzarnynow for girls!16:15
Wizzuplet's go16:15
WizzupKotCzarny: that's why I went for kawai initially16:15
Wizzup(with one i)16:15
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KotCzarnyi liked kona because it was short to write16:27
Wizzupmy second fav was bayamo16:36
Wizzupmaemo-bayamo just sounds amazing16:36
KotCzarnybay amore mio ?16:37
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parazydWizzup: lmao @ bayamo16:55
Vajbmyrsky, if u prefer finnish16:56
Vajbnot the name of wind perse, but means storm16:56
KotCzarnyso its los angeles angels? ;)16:58
KotCzarnywiatr, burza, huragan16:58
KotCzarnylocal wind related names16:58
Wizzupwe ... already picked a name and made a github orga16:59
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Vajbso it'll be bayamo?17:04
WizzupVajb: :D17:06
Wizzupno, it's not bayamo17:06
Wizzuplaughing irl17:06
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Vajbbayamaemo would have been cool name18:35
Vajbbajamaja is kind of toilet they use at the festival =)18:36
Vajbbtw purism made its fiance mark and announced to be delivering devices at 201918:37
Vajbwill be interesting device for Maemo18:37
Vajbif they keep the opennes they claim18:37
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DocScrutinizer05They claim what?21:14
DocScrutinizer05their Librem13 can't even get schematics21:15
DocScrutinizer05so how are they really more open than any (unlocked) android phone?21:16
VajbDocScrutinizer05: on their web site they claim that basically any os can be run on their device21:17
DocScrutinizer05so? See above21:17
DocScrutinizer05I think N900 is more open21:18
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Vajbbeats my current knowledge to be honest21:18
Vajbim a victim of marketing :)21:18
Vajbbut i think they claim their modem and cpu to be separate21:19
Wizzupthe droid4 has that too21:21
freemangordon_Vajb: what about GPU drivers?21:22
Wizzupetnaviv driver21:22
DocScrutinizer05Vajb: yes they claim that but you couln't really check thanks to lack of any schematics21:23
Vajbfreemangordon_: no idea, can't recall anything about that21:23
freemangordon_Wizzup: but that's REed, right?21:23
DocScrutinizer05I don't doubt the modem is separate but...21:23
Vajbwell let them make first devices and then we dig deep to see what they are about?21:24
DocScrutinizer05e.g. yesterday I tried helping them with battery charging issues in coreboot - they couldn't even tell me which chip is doing the battery management21:24
Wizzupthey are going to to use afaik21:24
DocScrutinizer05they do RE of ACPI21:24
DocScrutinizer05the i.MX8 SoC they plan to use *might* eventually get public docs... or not. Up to NXP21:25
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: wait, what? they don;t know BM chip?21:25
DocScrutinizer05obviously not21:25
freemangordon_could it be they just use some reference chinese board?21:25
DocScrutinizer05Intel Reference design covered with NDA21:26
freemangordon_anyway, /me is back to REing connui21:26
DocScrutinizer05so for Librem13 at least, the only "open" think is the FOSS stuff they upstream. And when that's broken or orphaned, we are with librem13 exactly where we are with any other usual Android hardware that got rooted or sold unlocked21:30
DocScrutinizer05Sailfish anybody? "sorry, you can't reflash it, you need to send it in"21:31
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Vajbwell i could argue that, if they claim that any os could be run. Then it must be user flashable22:01
Vajbbut we'll see22:01
Vajband i wont be buying it. It misses one key feature.22:02
Vajbxy2_: !22:03
DocScrutinizer05I'm not saying they plan to not allow flashing. I just referred to Sailfish to show how you can fsck up on a hw level and still claim you're "open"22:04
Vajbcalm down doc. It'll be two years since they deliver :)22:04
Vajbhmm i think i wanted to say untill22:05
DocScrutinizer05yeah, two years to nourish false expectations and fail on hw design level22:05
Vajbit is a plan!22:06
DocScrutinizer05they have a damn cute marketing team, that's really the most remarkable thing about it22:07
Vajbhaha i love the part where they compare their product to android and ios22:07
Vajbthey should add "consumer can buy it from any store"22:08
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KotCzarnyworldwide guarantee?22:09
DocScrutinizer05I love¡ the part where they say >>A fully standards-based freedom-oriented system, based on Debian and many other upstream projects, has never been done before–we will be the first to seriously attempt this.<<  -- simply neglecting OpenMoko, Maemom Sailfish  and others22:09
DocScrutinizer05exactly paper thin miss from a lie22:10
M4rtinKI've also heard they are very "marketing based"22:11
DocScrutinizer05but the most sad thing in all this is: FSF grant RYF certification to their Librem13 et al22:12
DocScrutinizer05hell, N900 is more "RYF" than Librem1322:13
Vajbu just lost a n00b in me.22:13
DocScrutinizer05google "respects your freedom" FSF certification22:14
DocScrutinizer05or see
Vajbthose hw switches seem pretty convincing22:15
DocScrutinizer05as I said, they have a damn good marketing team22:16
M4rtinKI've heard they are just GPIO22:17
M4rtinKon their laptops22:17
M4rtinKnot really powering of anything22:17
Vajbthings that go "click"22:18
Vajbat least header of the fsf page sounds good, but i must get some sleep22:19
Vajbnite, and c u before 201922:19
M4rtinKI dont have that personally just heard that22:21
M4rtinKhave not seen that personally22:21
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: no, they have a lengthy web page explaining "how smart to have but difficult to implement it is to add two DPDT switches and 4 wires"22:21
DocScrutinizer05I'd be embarrassed as EE when somebody would make such a fuss about the simplest thing in electrics (not even electronics) you could think of22:23
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DocScrutinizer05again, badass marketing22:24
M4rtinKI'm kinda sorry for all the people backing them22:25
M4rtinKwho get fooled by the marketing22:25
DocScrutinizer05they even almost got me22:30
M4rtinKit would be really nice if it was all true22:31
DocScrutinizer05just yesterday I learned about the schematics issue in their librem13 which basically forbids community to contribute to e.g coreboot in a meaningful way22:31
M4rtinKno t nice22:33
DocScrutinizer05this is about as bad as what nokia did, until noia leaked the schematics which aiui Purism never will/can do22:33
M4rtinK& has potential to further ruin the image of mobile Linux/FOOS effort22:33
DocScrutinizer05yes :-/22:33
M4rtinKalso the hardware looks ugly22:34
M4rtinKeq. like a MacBook22:34
DocScrutinizer05that's not something to object/discuss I'd think. That's really just a question of personal preferences22:34
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DocScrutinizer05them perpetuating to diminish/heglect all previous open linux projects is probably the worst thing they do by their campaign to FOSS22:36
DocScrutinizer05too few users who notice it and perveive it as dishonest, too many who really buy that "we're the very first to ever try"22:37
M4rtinKyeah, that's just rude22:40
M4rtinKwithout the other projects they would not even have a chance now22:40
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