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| badcloud- | has anyone managed to boot latest kali? | 10:42 |
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| badcloud- | or any latest distro for that matter | 12:02 |
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| badcloud- | *latest version of distro I mean | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heard nothing recently | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except maemo devuan | 12:06 |
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| badcloud- | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 12:24 |
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| jonwil | I have just bought a "unviersal Li-Ion charger" and according to the LCD display on the thing, one of my 3 N900 batteries is currently charging. YAY. | 14:42 |
| Wizzup | nice, those are useful | 14:42 |
| jonwil | Yeah with any luck it will fill my battery up to the point that it has enough juice that nolo will allow flasher to see the phone and I can do some fixing... | 14:44 |
| Wizzup | but the usb port is still fubar right? | 14:44 |
| Wizzup | did you open it up to look? | 14:44 |
| jonwil | I dont think it is | 14:44 |
| jonwil | It might not be | 14:44 |
| jonwil | I wont know until | 14:45 |
| jonwil | until I actually try it | 14:45 |
| jonwil | The fact that when I have it plugged into USB and then put in the battery I get a very dim NOKIA logo that has a USB icon for about 2s that then vanishes suggests the port isn't as broken as I thought | 14:45 |
| Wizzup | better fix it in place while you can :) | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | i hope i was right about your batteries to be flat | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:58 |
| buZz | jonwil: woooooooot | 15:05 |
| buZz | :) | 15:05 |
| jonwil | Ok Flasher can see the phone now. YAY. | 15:05 |
| buZz | \o/ | 15:05 |
| buZz | cake and alcohol all round | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil: hehe, remember you were saying that all your batts are fine? | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | tried 3! | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:06 |
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| jonwil | RescueOS is open | 15:09 |
| jonwil | And I am now going to run chargebat script in rescueos and let the actual N900 hardware charge my battery until it wants to stop | 15:12 |
| jonwil | mean time lets use that external charger on another battery | 15:14 |
| * Wizzup eyes his hildon-desktop powered allwinner tablet | 15:16 | |
| sicelo | Wizzup: model? | 15:25 |
| Wizzup | some inet thing, | 15:26 |
| Wizzup | http://www.plaisio.gr/tablet/tablets/tablets-all/Turbo-X-Twister-16GB-Mauro-Tablet-7-WiFi.htm | 15:26 |
| Wizzup | br | 15:26 |
| Wizzup | b | 15:26 |
| freemangordon_ | sixwheeledbeast: hi, do you remember the name we choose for the new maemo release last time we discussed it? | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | miko? | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | miho | 15:33 |
| freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: no, I think it was Kona | 15:33 |
| freemangordon_ | but I am not sure | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | ah, right | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | remembered 4 letters | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | just didnt know which | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | you sure dont want willie-willie ? | 15:34 |
| freemangordon_ | yes, sure :D | 15:35 |
| freemangordon_ | Oroshi will be it | 15:39 |
| freemangordon_ | any objections? | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | missed letters? | 15:40 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm? | 15:40 |
| freemangordon_ | ah | 15:40 |
| freemangordon_ | well, it is not needed to be in sequental order | 15:40 |
| freemangordon_ | example scirocco diablo fremantle harmattan | 15:41 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, no objections accepted from now on - https://github.com/maemo-oroshi | 15:45 |
| KotCzarny | no name with uan at the end? | 15:46 |
| freemangordon_ | no | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | Tehuantepecer | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:47 |
| freemangordon_ | wtf is that? | 15:47 |
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| KotCzarny | A violent squally wind from north or north-northeast in the Gulf of Tehuantepec (south of southern Mexico) in winter. It originates in the Gulf of Mexico as a norther which crosses the isthmus and blows through the gap between the Mexican and Guatamalan mountains. It may be felt up to 100 miles out to sea. See also PAPAGAYO | 15:52 |
| freemangordon_ | Wizzup: like what? | 15:55 |
| Wizzup | one sec. | 15:55 |
| freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: I am not sure I will be able to pronounce it. sounds more like Eyjafjallajökull | 15:56 |
| Wizzup | well, just, something not japanese | 15:57 |
| freemangordon_ | :D | 15:57 |
| Wizzup | let me ask a few people from finland | 15:57 |
| freemangordon_ | ok | 15:57 |
| freemangordon_ | why Finland? | 15:57 |
| Wizzup | nokia? | 15:57 |
| freemangordon_ | ok | 15:57 |
| Wizzup | I mean | 15:57 |
| Wizzup | I don't want to dictate anything, just asking | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | I don't care much, just preference for not japanese | 15:58 |
| freemangordon_ | I am fine either ways, as soon as it sounds tasty :D | 15:58 |
| freemangordon_ | oroshi sounded like a kind of sushi, thus I liked it ;) | 15:58 |
| parazyd | lol | 16:01 |
| Wizzup | we could go the openwrt name, find an alcoholic drink | 16:01 |
| Wizzup | s/name/way/ | 16:02 |
| infobot | Wizzup meant: we could go the openwrt way, find an alcoholic drink | 16:02 |
| Wizzup | laiva ? | 16:03 |
| freemangordon_ | what is that? | 16:04 |
| Wizzup | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/laiva | 16:04 |
| freemangordon_ | this is not a wind | 16:05 |
| freemangordon_ | what about Lodos or Leste | 16:05 |
| Wizzup | no, but it fits in the 'burning ship' | 16:05 |
| Wizzup | meme | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | The Oroshi wind which causes unpredictable damage | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | Maf\u016b (\u9b54\u98a8 lit., devilish wind, 1853) | 16:06 |
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| Wizzup | ok.. how about... | 16:06 |
| freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: pidgin cannot read what you wrote :) | 16:06 |
| freemangordon_ | Wizzup: lets continue that tradition using wind names | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | tazmania | 16:07 |
| freemangordon_ | isn;t that island? | 16:07 |
| freemangordon_ | Wizzup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_local_winds | 16:07 |
| freemangordon_ | choose a one from here | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon_: from the tazmanian devil :) | 16:08 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroshi | 16:08 |
| freemangordon_ | yes, yes | 16:08 |
| freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: Wizzup doesn't like japanese | 16:08 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, what about Leste | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | Wreckhouse ? ;p | 16:09 |
| freemangordon_ | or Solano. This is sunglasses as well, but | 16:10 |
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| parazyd | bayamo | 16:10 |
| freemangordon_ | too "latino" | 16:10 |
| parazyd | maemo bayamo sounds crap though | 16:10 |
| freemangordon_ | yeah | 16:10 |
| parazyd | lmao | 16:10 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm, Leste likes me more and more | 16:11 |
| freemangordon_ | oops | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | lodos? | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | 15:10 < parazyd> maemo bayamo sounds crap though | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | hahahaha | 16:11 |
| freemangordon_ | i was thinking about Lodos as well, but I think Maemo Leste sounds better | 16:11 |
| Wizzup | fine with either. | 16:12 |
| Wizzup | and this will match with jessie? | 16:12 |
| freemangordon_ | yes | 16:12 |
| freemangordon_ | oh, wait | 16:12 |
| Wizzup | maybe elephanta next :) | 16:12 |
| freemangordon_ | no, no, this will match whatever we call release | 16:12 |
| Wizzup | hmm | 16:12 |
| freemangordon_ | I think we'll want to rebase to ascii first | 16:13 |
| freemangordon_ | before calling it a day | 16:13 |
| sicelo | i'm liking 'leste' too | 16:13 |
| freemangordon_ | parazyd: ^^^ | 16:13 |
| parazyd | so, maemo-leste ? | 16:13 |
| freemangordon_ | mhm | 16:13 |
| parazyd | done | 16:13 |
| sicelo | there's Maestro as well - which seems nicely related to maemo | 16:13 |
| parazyd | https://github.com/maemo-leste | 16:14 |
| freemangordon_ | but, is debit cards brand :) | 16:14 |
| sicelo | ah yes :) | 16:14 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, great, everybody's happy | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | leste? lol | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | maemo-les | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | almost everybodt | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | :P | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | now for girls! | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | let's go | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: that's why I went for kawai initially | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | lol | 16:15 |
| Wizzup | (with one i) | 16:15 |
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| KotCzarny | i liked kona because it was short to write | 16:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:27 |
| Wizzup | my second fav was bayamo | 16:36 |
| Wizzup | maemo-bayamo just sounds amazing | 16:36 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 16:36 |
| KotCzarny | bay amore mio ? | 16:37 |
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| parazyd | Wizzup: lmao @ bayamo | 16:55 |
| Vajb | myrsky, if u prefer finnish | 16:56 |
| Vajb | not the name of wind perse, but means storm | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | so its los angeles angels? ;) | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | wiatr, burza, huragan | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | local wind related names | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | halny | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | orkan | 16:59 |
| Wizzup | we ... already picked a name and made a github orga | 16:59 |
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| Vajb | so it'll be bayamo? | 17:04 |
| parazyd | https://github.com/maemo-leste | 17:04 |
| Wizzup | Vajb: :D | 17:06 |
| Wizzup | no, it's not bayamo | 17:06 |
| Wizzup | laughing irl | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | lesbyamo | 17:07 |
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| Vajb | bayamaemo would have been cool name | 18:35 |
| Vajb | bajamaja is kind of toilet they use at the festival =) | 18:36 |
| Vajb | btw purism made its fiance mark and announced to be delivering devices at 2019 | 18:37 |
| Vajb | will be interesting device for Maemo | 18:37 |
| Vajb | if they keep the opennes they claim | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | They claim what? | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | their Librem13 can't even get schematics | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so how are they really more open than any (unlocked) android phone? | 21:16 |
| Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: on their web site they claim that basically any os can be run on their device | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? See above | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think N900 is more open | 21:18 |
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| Vajb | beats my current knowledge to be honest | 21:18 |
| Vajb | im a victim of marketing :) | 21:18 |
| Vajb | but i think they claim their modem and cpu to be separate | 21:19 |
| Wizzup | the droid4 has that too | 21:21 |
| freemangordon_ | Vajb: what about GPU drivers? | 21:22 |
| Wizzup | vivante | 21:22 |
| freemangordon_ | FOSS? | 21:22 |
| Wizzup | etnaviv driver | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: yes they claim that but you couln't really check thanks to lack of any schematics | 21:23 |
| Vajb | freemangordon_: no idea, can't recall anything about that | 21:23 |
| freemangordon_ | Wizzup: but that's REed, right? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't doubt the modem is separate but... | 21:23 |
| Wizzup | yes | 21:24 |
| Vajb | well let them make first devices and then we dig deep to see what they are about? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. yesterday I tried helping them with battery charging issues in coreboot - they couldn't even tell me which chip is doing the battery management | 21:24 |
| Wizzup | they are going to to use i.mx afaik | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they do RE of ACPI | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the i.MX8 SoC they plan to use *might* eventually get public docs... or not. Up to NXP | 21:25 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: wait, what? they don;t know BM chip? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously not | 21:25 |
| freemangordon_ | could it be they just use some reference chinese board? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Intel Reference design covered with NDA | 21:26 |
| freemangordon_ | ah | 21:26 |
| freemangordon_ | anyway, /me is back to REing connui | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so for Librem13 at least, the only "open" think is the FOSS stuff they upstream. And when that's broken or orphaned, we are with librem13 exactly where we are with any other usual Android hardware that got rooted or sold unlocked | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sailfish anybody? "sorry, you can't reflash it, you need to send it in" | 21:31 |
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| Vajb | well i could argue that, if they claim that any os could be run. Then it must be user flashable | 22:01 |
| Vajb | but we'll see | 22:01 |
| Vajb | and i wont be buying it. It misses one key feature. | 22:02 |
| xy2_ | kb? | 22:03 |
| Vajb | xy2_: ! | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not saying they plan to not allow flashing. I just referred to Sailfish to show how you can fsck up on a hw level and still claim you're "open" | 22:04 |
| Vajb | calm down doc. It'll be two years since they deliver :) | 22:04 |
| Vajb | hmm i think i wanted to say untill | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, two years to nourish false expectations and fail on hw design level | 22:05 |
| Vajb | it is a plan! | 22:06 |
| Vajb | ;) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they have a damn cute marketing team, that's really the most remarkable thing about it | 22:07 |
| Vajb | haha i love the part where they compare their product to android and ios | 22:07 |
| Vajb | they should add "consumer can buy it from any store" | 22:08 |
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| KotCzarny | worldwide guarantee? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I love¡ the part where they say >>A fully standards-based freedom-oriented system, based on Debian and many other upstream projects, has never been done before–we will be the first to seriously attempt this.<< -- simply neglecting OpenMoko, Maemom Sailfish and others | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly paper thin miss from a lie | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | I've also heard they are very "marketing based" | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the most sad thing in all this is: FSF grant RYF certification to their Librem13 et al | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, N900 is more "RYF" than Librem13 | 22:13 |
| Vajb | u just lost a n00b in me. | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google "respects your freedom" FSF certification | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom | 22:14 |
| Vajb | ah | 22:14 |
| Vajb | those hw switches seem pretty convincing | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as I said, they have a damn good marketing team | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | I've heard they are just GPIO | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | on their laptops | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | not really powering of anything | 22:17 |
| Vajb | things that go "click" | 22:18 |
| Vajb | at least header of the fsf page sounds good, but i must get some sleep | 22:19 |
| Vajb | nite, and c u before 2019 | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900/2017-10-13#20317932; | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | I dont have that personally just heard that | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | have not seen that personally | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: no, they have a lengthy web page explaining "how smart to have but difficult to implement it is to add two DPDT switches and 4 wires" | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be embarrassed as EE when somebody would make such a fuss about the simplest thing in electrics (not even electronics) you could think of | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | again, badass marketing | 22:24 |
| M4rtinK | I'm kinda sorry for all the people backing them | 22:25 |
| M4rtinK | who get fooled by the marketing | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they even almost got me | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | it would be really nice if it was all true | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just yesterday I learned about the schematics issue in their librem13 which basically forbids community to contribute to e.g coreboot in a meaningful way | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | no t nice | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is about as bad as what nokia did, until noia leaked the schematics which aiui Purism never will/can do | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | & has potential to further ruin the image of mobile Linux/FOOS effort | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes :-/ | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | also the hardware looks ugly | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK | eq. like a MacBook | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not something to object/discuss I'd think. That's really just a question of personal preferences | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | them perpetuating to diminish/heglect all previous open linux projects is probably the worst thing they do by their campaign to FOSS | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too few users who notice it and perveive it as dishonest, too many who really buy that "we're the very first to ever try" | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that's just rude | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | without the other projects they would not even have a chance now | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 22:40 |
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