IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2017-10-12

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* enyc meeps10:47
KotCzarnyno one's home, coma back later10:49
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CatButtsdoes PalmOS and related get any love these days?10:55
KotCzarnydoes it work on n8x0/n900 ?10:55
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CatButtsvery unlikely10:56
KotCzarnythen no10:56
CatButtsPalm and Maemo are the two platforms that I look kindly to10:57
CatButtsMaybe older Windows Mobile if I pull some hairs :P10:57
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CatButtsdoes this count?10:58
KotCzarnyas long it's usable11:00
KotCzarnyand doesnt eat battery too much11:00
CatButtsI never really liked Android11:02
CatButtsmy main gripe is the capacitive touchscreen setting the standard for UI design11:03
CatButtsno stylus smaller than a meat sausage11:03
KotCzarnyon the plus side you can control it with your willy11:04
KotCzarnyas long its not smaller than sausage :P11:04
CatButtsI remember something along those lines involving iphone's fingerprint lock11:05
jonwilMy god getting anything Android that is even remotely close to non-sucky is impossible without spending a fortune...11:15
jonwilLooking in the phone store today all the Android phones worth thinking about as a permanent replacement (e.g. Samsung Galaxy) cost over $1k11:15
KotCzarnyjonwil, i can look for used n900 here11:16
KotCzarnyshould fit in 30-50usd11:16
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jonwilThe biggest problem I have with anything overseas is that I have had bad issues with PayPal in the past and refuse to use it for anything.11:21
jonwilSo finding one that I can pay for without using PayPal is hard11:21
KotCzarnyi can get it and send to you11:22
jonwilI am still investigating if I can find my current N900 somehow11:22
jonwiland get it working again11:22
jonwilIf I could find a way to charge my batteries to full, that might allow me to do something.11:22
KotCzarnybl-5j was used in a bunch of phones11:23
KotCzarnyeven in some recent ashas11:23
jonwilAn external charger for a BL-5J would be perfect if I could find one11:25
jonwilI know they exist, I just dont know where the hell I get one from11:26
KotCzarnyany li-ion charger could do i guess11:26
KotCzarnyif you are careful11:26
CatButtsdo these batteries come with built-in protection circuits?11:27
KotCzarnythat means if pins order/size is the same you can try to hold it even if it wouldnt fit11:27
CatButtsor better yet, alligator clips11:27
CatButts yup, built-in circuit11:29
jonwilI am going to try something I saw on TMO where I plug it into the wallcharger and then insert the battery and just leave it even if its bootlooping or otherwise doing something11:32
jonwilIt cant make things any worse11:32
jonwilAnd it may well add juice to the battery somehow using the deep level nolo battery logic mentioned in the tmo post I found11:33
infobotwell, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.11:33
KotCzarnytalking about this one?11:33
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)11:35
KotCzarnyor this one?11:35
jonwilYeah its not going that far, I dont get amber lights at all11:35
KotCzarnywhat did you do to the poor thing?11:36
KotCzarnyhmm, spam alert on, anyone?11:41
jonwilThe USB port may or may not be broken (i.e. some pins are making contact but other pins may not be) but regardless of that state the system is broken to the point it cant load any kernel modules and therefore cant boot whatever is on the flash at all (either normally or booting backupmenu)11:41
jonwilBest guess from what I was able to see when I did have flasher able to talk to the phone was that the kernel booted and then loaded the root FS which tried to load all the modules then the kernel said "hey module xyz is incompatible with this kernel" and couldn't load it.11:42
jonwilThen it tried to start all the userspace daemons11:43
jonwilwhich looked for their kernel drivers from the modules that didn't load11:43
jonwiland couldn't find them so they exited11:43
jonwilWatchdogs kicked in and tried again11:43
jonwilbefore kicking the phone offline since essential system processes refused to start11:43
jonwilIf the USB port isn't broken and I can get a battery that's charged up to the point I can get flasher to talk to the device (ideally one that's full) then I can attempt to boot the stock maemo PR1.3 fiasco image, get the phone to start up, copy off all my data and reflash the thing.11:45
jonwilBut if I cant get a battery that is charged enough or the USB port really is broken, I think my N900 is dead11:45
KotCzarnykeep it, good screen is valuable spare part11:46
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jonwilThe screen on the thing is scratched up11:46
jonwili.e. its not "good" anymore11:46
KotCzarnybut works?11:46
jonwilSeems to do11:46
KotCzarnyand external bezel is quite easy to replace11:46
jonwilIts like there is a layer of plastic on top of the screen (not a screen protector but actually part of the screen) and that top layer has come off in a bunch of places11:47
jonwilif you know what I mean11:47
jonwilBut its still worth keeping if I do end up with another N900 just because other parts may be useful.11:47
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KotCzarnysixwheeledbeast: ping11:54
jonwilSo my options at this point are:12:20
jonwil1.Find someone in Brisbane (or close enough that shipping is cheap and fast, i.e. not from Europe or China or somewhere) who can get me a fully charged and 100% guaranteed to work BL-5J that doesn't cost a fortune12:20
jonwil2.Find someone in Brisbane (or close enough that shipping is cheap and fast, i.e. not from Europe or China or somewhere) who can get me a working device (another phone or a charger) that can charge a BL-5J that doesn't cost a fortune12:20
jonwil3.Get a new N900 somehow (again in a way that doesn't cost a fortune, doesn't mean waiting weeks/months for shipping from Europe and doesn't mean people on here spending their own hard-earned money to buy a phone on my behalf and then more on top of that on fast shipping to Oz plus whatever Customs decides they want me to pay in fees/taxes/etc when it does get here assuming the increased...12:20
jonwil...regulations on shipping of Li-Ion batteries dont get in the way) and then maybe using the fully charged battery from the new one to see if my USB port on the old one works or not12:20
jonwilor 4.Buying some other device (either from a local phone shop or from a suitable online retailer) and moving to an OS and platform that isn't stuck using cryptography that's more than 10 years old the access the web...12:20
KotCzarnywish you luck upgrading any droid that vendor isnt supporting longterm12:25
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jonwilIf I did go to Android I would go for one that has a 100% unlocked firmware and can be totally reflashed with whatever I want, that has a vibrant dev community over on xda-developers or similar and has solid support from one of the alternative ROM options out there.12:32
jonwilAnd I would not buy it from any carrier-run store, I would go for a generic non-carrier version to avoid any extra bloatware or locks the carrier may have wanted12:32
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jonwilBuying something generic also may cost less than the outright no-contact, phone-is-mine-forever price the carrier options would want me to pay.12:33
KotCzarnyi often go for used ones, because i dont need current fluff12:33
KotCzarnyand after a week or two they usually stop being used for anything else than phone/im/camera12:34
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jonwilI used my N900 a lot for web browsing and such12:53
jonwilI dont plan to use my current temp phone for anything beyond calls and SMS and clock/time for the most part because I dont want to have to figure out all the crap Alcatel and Vodafone did to the UI, because I dont want to give anyone who might have access to whatever my phone is doing anything remotely private or sensitive and because I dont want to have to set up accounts and other crap.12:56
jonwilOr give the thing any kind of access to my existing Google accounts12:57
KotCzarny-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 121M Dec 30  2012 plasma_theme_Amarok-Mockup.data13:03
KotCzarny-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  33M Dec 30  2012 plasma_theme_Amarok-Mockup.index13:03
sixwheeledbeast KotCzarny: pong?13:24
KotCzarnyswb: spam alert on wiki13:24
sixwheeledbeastoh spam on wmo, I'll check been afk for a few days13:24
sixwheeledbeastI normally zap it daily13:25
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sunshaviCatButts: palm works on n90016:33
CatButtsvia the emu, I assume16:40
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sunshaviCatButts: yes17:02
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