IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2017-07-22

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FalconSpysDocScrutinizer05:  My HAM catalog has the maemo repo with Fremantle 1.2 as the distribution and catalog of free/non-free (still not home with the device in front of me..going by memory)00:23
FalconSpysI tried the OTA update using the *#0000# but it didnt bring up device manager00:23
FalconSpysI tried installing the CSSU from the wiki but when I get to the update all packages part it says I need to hook my phone up to my PC in PC Suite Mode and running the Nokia PC Suite00:23
sixwheeledbeast^Ah you have your device, what version does it say Settings > About00:25
sixwheeledbeast^PC suite basically means there's an issue installing packages from the repos.00:26
FalconSpyssixwheeledbeast^: I dont have my device infront of me. I said this was all based on memory00:31
FalconSpysDo I need to switch my repo distribution to fremantle 1.3?00:32
sixwheeledbeast^ok, no. you will likely need change the repos completely00:32
FalconSpysTo what? I had extras, extras-dev, and extras-testing00:33
DocScrutinizer05FalconSpys: you need to fix your catalogs, see
DocScrutinizer05Nokia repos are no more00:42
DocScrutinizer05extras* are maemo repos, not nokia base repos. And actually it's strongly deprecated to have extras-devel and extras-testing enabled00:43
DocScrutinizer05they are mutually exclusive, and should only get enabled for installing a particular package that's not available (in the wanted version) in maemo-extras00:44
DocScrutinizer05then disable them immedaitely after you installed that one package. NEVER keep them active while doing a generic update00:45
DocScrutinizer05when you inspect the "catalogs" in HAM, you'll notice the Nokia and Nokia-SSU repos are tagged as defect00:46
DocScrutinizer05that's why your update fails00:46
DocScrutinizer05you're licky though, fixing catalogs is just two clicks in maemo browser away ;-) just go to and follow the instructions there, I.E. click 'recommended.install'00:48
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FalconSpysIll give it a shot when home with the device. Thanks DocScrutinizer05  :) I am hoping that fixes the issue. As I said spent the past 4 or 5 nights trying to flash firmware / get Pali's U-boot installed01:04
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sixwheeledbeast^As I say check what version your on and whats installed first.01:13
DocScrutinizer05btw I never heard about OTA update triggered by dialing *#0000#01:28
DocScrutinizer05maemo is not centered around phone function, it mostly works like a normal desktop debian linux01:29
DocScrutinizer05you do pretty much all updates on the device, via HAM or sometimes via apt01:29
DocScrutinizer05flashing only needed to recover an unbootable device, basically01:30
DocScrutinizer05or for a complete reset01:30
FalconSpysDocScrutinizer05:  I remember seeing some site that said I can trigger it by dialing those keys. Probably just some BS website01:31
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DocScrutinizer05first check what OS version you got as sixwheeledbeast^ recommends. See "settings" -> "About...". Then fix your catalogs as suggested by me. Then go to HAM and check for updates, possibly there will be a few01:53
DocScrutinizer05make sure extras.testing and extras-devel are disabled before you check. Then inszall all the available updates which should get you to PR1.3 if you're not there already. Then follow the instruction on CSSU website to get a lot more of important updates01:54
FalconSpysSounds good! Ill give it a shot in about 3 hours :)01:55
DocScrutinizer05then you can install Pali's uBoot01:55
DocScrutinizer05also via HAM, or via apt-get01:55
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FalconSpyso DocScrutinizer05 / sixwheeledbeast^ Version 10.2010.19-109:53
FalconSpyFollowed the instructions you gave me DocScrutinizer05 with the catalog. All I see in my updates is the Community  SSU package09:56
FalconSpyDo I need to restart the phone first or should stuff just immediately show in HAM under update?10:17
FalconSpyNope that didnt do it10:27
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FalconSpy would it be the nokia-ssu install one?10:36
infobothmm... maemo-repos is
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FalconSpyWell I have extras repo10:41
FalconSpyIm trying to upgrade from PR 1.2 to PR 1.3 but nothing I am finding is working10:42
JuestoCorrectly set up?10:42
FalconSpyWhat do you define as correctly setup? I followed the instructions by DocScrutinizer05 for
FalconSpydisabled all catalogs but the ones it installed10:43
FalconSpyLet me try the apt-get after adding catalog11:05
FalconSpy1010 updates...11:05
sixwheeledbeast^FalconSpy you still about11:22
sixwheeledbeast^how are you doing11:23
FalconSpywell I followed the link DocScrutinizer05 put in11:23
FalconSpyNothing was showing via HAM for downloads/updates11:23
FalconSpyDid a apt-get update and upgrade and its doing about 1000 upgrades11:23
sixwheeledbeast^First thing with Maemo is never update with the CLI, unless you know what your doing. It was never designed for that11:24
FalconSpySo apt-get update / upgrade is wrong to do?11:25
FalconSpyNothing was showing in HAM at all11:25
sixwheeledbeast^HAM need refreshing and with stock HAM it can take 24 hours to display automagically11:26
FalconSpyI refreshed, checked the logs11:26
sixwheeledbeast^Or you refresh manually and it takes upto 30 minutes or so.11:26
FalconSpyWell I refreshed manually...nothing showd11:26
infobotmethinks ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham11:26
sixwheeledbeast^yay infobots back11:27
FalconSpyI hit refresh about 10 times...11:27
infobotsixwheeledbeast^: :)11:27
FalconSpywell I cancelled the apt-get upgrade..11:28
sixwheeledbeast^FalconSpy: Was the device clear from old software.11:28
FalconSpyI would imagine so? It was a stock device that I bought from Amazon11:29
sixwheeledbeast^Or did it have a load of stuff on from the previous user11:29
FalconSpywell ebay11:29
FalconSpyLooks like it was wiped11:29
FalconSpybefore i got it11:29
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sixwheeledbeast^Right, personally my next step would be trying to get your flasher working and flash PR1.3.x on to it11:31
sixwheeledbeast^What desktops do you have available?11:31
FalconSpyWindows 10, Win 8.1, Mac OSX Yosemite11:32
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sixwheeledbeast^Ok well I have used Win7/6 and Ubuntu. Do you have the flasher installed on all of them?11:35
FalconSpyon Windows 10 and Mac yes11:36
FalconSpyFlasher would just sit at awaiting suitable usb device even though the Windows 10 sees it in update mode11:37
FalconSpyeven after running flasher then plugging it in11:37
FalconSpyMac doesnt see it at all as far as I know11:37
sixwheeledbeast^Lets try Win10 then. Power down your device. Use stock Nokia USB lead in a rear USB port11:39
sixwheeledbeast^Best to use a port with no hubs inbetween or the like.11:39
sixwheeledbeast^Do you have PR1.3 FW ready and the Emmc image ready?11:40
infobot[combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or, or
FalconSpyI dont think I have either of those. Or at least not the correct ones11:40
FalconSpydownloading it now11:41
sixwheeledbeast^the last link has root image11:42
sixwheeledbeast^the community is not permitted to redistribute the image when Nokia disappeared. The ones found in the community are personal copies, normally with checksums11:43
infobotrefer ~flashing; (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):; list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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FalconSpyalright got both11:46
sixwheeledbeast^So you have flasher 3.5 installed to Win10, and both images to flash11:47
FalconSpyOnly saw 1 .bin file?11:49
FalconSpyonly link that worked was with 1 .bin11:49
sixwheeledbeast^Yer that's just the rootfs image.11:50
FalconSpyidk what other image you are referring to then11:51
sixwheeledbeast^Lets start with that to establish the flasher is working11:51
sixwheeledbeast^We need to follow the flashing instructions from here on the page
sixwheeledbeast^Have you used that guide before?11:56
FalconSpyive attempted to follow the guide before11:58
FalconSpySuitable USB device not found, waiting11:58
FalconSpyUsual message I see11:58
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FalconSpyHeld U plugged device in11:59
FalconSpyshows usb icon top right11:59
FalconSpyStill shows that message11:59
sixwheeledbeast^ok, I assume 64 bit have you tried any of the 64 bit workarounds?12:00
FalconSpyim not aware of any 64 bit work arounds12:01
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sixwheeledbeast^From Win7 onwards the drivers would not run as they where unsigned. Scroll further down the wiki page to troubleshooting and workarounds for 64 bit12:02
FalconSpyalright ill give option 1 a go12:06
FalconSpybe back12:06
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FalconSpyalright disabled my unsigned drivers12:16
FalconSpystill sits at Suitable USB device not found, waiting.12:19
FalconSpyThere we go...followed Option 512:25
FalconSpyFinishing flashing... done12:25
FalconSpyCMT flashed successfully12:25
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FalconSpyWhat next sixwheeledbeast^? Also thank you for all your help you've given thus far12:26
sixwheeledbeast^oh cool it flashed12:26
sixwheeledbeast^I was going to say the backup option would be an Ubuntu VM or LiveCD12:27
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sixwheeledbeast^Option 412:28
FalconSpySo it says version 21.2011.38-1 now12:28
sixwheeledbeast^welcome to PR1.3.112:28
sixwheeledbeast^No we fix your repos12:28
infobotsixwheeledbeast^ meant: Now we fix your repos12:28
FalconSpySo use ?12:29
sixwheeledbeast^I have never used it but seems the simplest way yeh. Use recommended, navigate there with MicroB on the device12:30
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FalconSpywell got everything I needed but stillc ant get u-boot installed12:38
FalconSpybreaks the 3rd party package policy12:38
sixwheeledbeast^Right before you do anything else maybe worth thinking about using backupmenu to backup your fresh device. Unless your happy reflashing if you mess up12:42
infobotwell, backupmenu is, or one-click install handling dependency issues:
FalconSpyfine with reflashing now that I can12:43
sixwheeledbeast^Next it CSSU which is the community updates/bugfixes since pr1.3.112:45
infobotrumour has it, cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)12:45
sixwheeledbeast^Open that page with MicroB click on Stable12:46
FalconSpyok got that installed12:48
sixwheeledbeast^Did it reboot?12:49
FalconSpyno but I do have a ton of updates now12:50
sixwheeledbeast^run them in HAM and allow it to do it's thing, reboot etc. you may have to run again12:51
sixwheeledbeast^remember HAM is slow...12:52
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FalconSpyKeep getting unable to update X conflicting app package...continue installing12:57
FalconSpylooks like just all libqt stuff12:58
FalconSpyi dont think it loaded the updates from CSSU12:59
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FalconSpyoh...ddint run the enabler13:01
sixwheeledbeast^FalconSpy: that maybe why yes13:04
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FalconSpyAwesome. Thank you for your help sixwheeledbeast^ :)13:16
sixwheeledbeast^FalconSpy: np are you all sorted now?13:17
sixwheeledbeast^uboot etc?13:17
FalconSpyIs there a central repo for all of this stuff? Over the course of you helping me I must have seen so many repo links etc13:17
FalconSpyYea uboot is installed13:17
sixwheeledbeast^Not really as I say when the offical repos where removed it was taken into the community to use "Private Work Directories" due to issues in redistribution13:18
FalconSpyId be interested in trying to set something up...seeing as how difficult this was for a complete beginner with the n900 etc13:19
sixwheeledbeast^Long term users backed everything up themselves. The sources move (hence all the broken links)13:20
FalconSpyAs I said id be interested in setting something else up as a mirror13:21
FalconSpyJust need to know what to do on my end to assist13:21
sixwheeledbeast^This is how they are currently distributed personal copies, not ideal but the best option at the moment.13:24
FalconSpywell its 3am ill look into it in the morning. Thanks for your help!13:24
sixwheeledbeast^I think you would have been fine if you used Linux to flash there is more support and less workarounds.13:25
sixwheeledbeast^np gn o/13:25
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WikiwideThe only apk so far which worked in apkenv on N9 Harmattan is Petals Redux, and not ideally either.  Granted, I tried only 4 apks altogether : StaySafe UNSW, MICOMM v3, and KPhotoAlbum.13:57
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WikiwideKPhotoAlbum gives lots of errors "Unimplemented pthread_*"14:03
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Vajbhehe saw 8bitdo brand bluetooth game pad and immediately thought if it might work with n900 and zsnes...20:08
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DocScrutinizer05((<FalconSpy> I hit refresh about 10 times...)) I', *sure* that helped a lot to speed up things ;-P21:00
DocScrutinizer05((Long term users backed everything up themselves)) see and muarf. You don't need more21:08
DocScrutinizer05maybe useful:21:08
infoboti heard jrtools is
DocScrutinizer05((<sixwheeledbeast^> I think you would have been fine if you used Linux)) see:21:09
infobotlazyflashing is, like,
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sixwheeledbeast^Good to know it's possible on Win10 for future reference tho.21:10
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sixwheeledbeast^That firmware page is just a mess, but the issue is legacy bookmarks etc21:13
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FalconSpysixwheeledbeast^ the Option 5 as I said did the trick for me23:12
FalconSpyOr maybe it was combination of Option 1 and 5 since I did both23:13
sixwheeledbeast^Most likely both. Allowing unsigned drivers and 64-bit workaround with libusb-win32.23:14
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