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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc there's an app to edit the user dictionary | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh wait, completion is 'wider' than spellcheck, it also uses history on top of the dictionary. I guess simply deleting history will do the trick | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: afaik | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not using spellcheck nor autocompletion. Disabled both during 48h after unboxing my first N900 | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (also N810) | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I found it pretty pointless and annoying particularly because it remembers also typos and 'atypical words' in history, and it sucks big time to only use the built-in dictionary and update it manually by allowing only those new words in that are really relevant | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in tests my words per minute *dropped* *significantly* when using autocompletion | 01:03 |
| Oksanaa | No idea about spellcheck aka built-in dictionary. My auto-complete uses only history, which I occasionally clean from misprints. How do wpm drop, if typer can always ignore auto-complete? It's not an aggressive auto-correct. | 01:07 |
| Oksanaa | I would appreciate if auto-complete would recognise words which deviate from sentence case, like PuTTY, or names like DocScrutinizer05, and keep them this way, exempt from sentence case. | 01:10 |
| Oksanaa | One useful and under advertised feature of auto-complete is ability to finish phrases, and not just words. Good morning, for example. However, such phrases have to be manually added to dictionary. And it's unfortunately refusing to remember case in, say, Dunkin' Donuts. | 01:12 |
| Oksanaa | And that's taking all the usefulness out of adding such specially cased phrases to the dictionary. Either user auto-completes to Krispy kreme, or user types Krispy Kreme most of the way just to be able to specify this upper case K. | 01:23 |
| Oksanaa | Normally cased phrases work magnificently, though. I haven't used Auto-complete Editor for a long time, but it is still a useful ace in the sleeve sometimes. | 01:26 |
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| Juesto | If autocorrect doesnt work well i just disable it | 02:12 |
| Juesto | otherwise i just make it so it suggests only instead of autocorrect, additionally i disable autocapitalize | 02:13 |
| Juesto | oksanaa hi :) | 02:13 |
| Oksanaa | Auto-capitalise is mostly useful, it knows dots, exclamations and questions. | 02:15 |
| Juesto | Additionally i disable auto space after dot | 02:16 |
| Juesto | sometimes it is annoying | 02:16 |
| Oksanaa | Well, I would appreciate recognition of triple dot... With which space after dot occasionally interferes. But not always, keyboard behaviour is not necessarily consistent. | 02:24 |
| Juesto | can i pm you oksanaa ? | 02:25 |
| Juesto | ok | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: when you're so obviously experienced in how autocompletion works, I don't understand how you can call "BUG!" the normal and correct behavior of remembering *all* words user types (irrespective if they are in a particular language-specific dictionary or not) | 02:39 |
| Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: Because the corrector should know what words corresponds to X language and should NOT mix them | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also why calling it "auto-complete *dictionary*" then? | 02:40 |
| Oksanaa | It sorts them into language dictionaries incorrectly. | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: and how should it do that? | 02:40 |
| Juesto | Separate each language | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: and how should it do that? | 02:41 |
| Juesto | Android does this very well | 02:41 |
| Oksanaa | I call them dictionaries because they are separate for different languages. If it was all in one mixture, then it wouldn't be a dictionary, but it would be difficult to use. | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then maybe android has a larger more comprehensive dictionary | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 02:42 |
| Juesto | Android has a user dictionary, and a per-language dictionary | 02:42 |
| Oksanaa | Juesto: not good | 02:42 |
| Juesto | and its like saying, a plain database vs a database with folders for each language | 02:42 |
| Oksanaa | There should be user's per-language dictionaries | 02:42 |
| Juesto | Oksanaa: the user dictionary itself has "folders" for each language, so each user dictionary is different between languages | 02:43 |
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| Oksanaa | Okay, good | 02:43 |
| Juesto | And GBoard (previously called Google Keyboard, internal name: LatinIME) has implemented a two language mixture of suggestions/corrections | 02:44 |
| Oksanaa | But built-in predefined per-language dictionaries aren't helpful if different users have different vocabularies. Unless Google aims for uniformity of users' vocabularies. | 02:44 |
| Juesto | it does the job well because it detects what language you're writing to provide the right suggestions | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you said: 1) the keyboard was set to Russian but you typed english words. 2) the history list used for autocompletion stores those english words 3) you imply that those english words are not in the spelling dictionary | 02:44 |
| Juesto | I do not know for sure but yes they're aiming that | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what the heck is the bug? | 02:44 |
| Juesto | Oksanaa: That's not a bug, instead it is a user mistake. | 02:45 |
| Oksanaa | 3) do not have a spelling dictionary afaik ; 1) it's possible when virtual keyboard is set to Russian and hardware keyboard to English? | 02:45 |
| Juesto | you're storing english words in the russian user directionary | 02:45 |
| Juesto | that's still not a bug, it's you doing things wrong! | 02:46 |
| Oksanaa | How to prevent it? Switch virtual keyboard to English just because I am using hardware keyboard? | 02:55 |
| Juesto | Yes or do not use virtual keyboard, Oksanaa | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's actually a bug when not noth the hw and virtual kbd are switched insync | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both* | 02:58 |
| Juesto | Perhaps | 02:58 |
| Juesto | but thing is: the hardware keyboard does not have for russian for example | 02:58 |
| Oksanaa | There is a way to switch languages on hardware keyboard, akin to Ctrl+Shift, I just don't remember the shortcuts. | 03:08 |
| Juesto | why do you seem to forget me oksanaa ? | 03:08 |
| Juesto | and nice, control+shift shortcuts can be hard to learn | 03:09 |
| Juesto | just like PC shortcuts | 03:09 |
| Oksanaa | Смешно. I found that Ctrl+Space switches language... Of virtual keyboard. Well, that's easier than touching the on-screen buttons for switching languages. | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't that ctrl+space or something like that? | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shift+space or Fn+space, somesuch | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, you found it, sorry I sound stupid answering next line what you already wrote | 03:14 |
| Juesto | :) | 03:15 |
| Juesto | no need to sorry | 03:15 |
| Juesto | its fine | 03:15 |
| Oksanaa | No problem, concurrent answers happen all the time. Fn+space may be @, for example. Shift+space is just space, unless mapped otherwise. | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only for virtual kbd? that's a terible bug | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes no sense at all to switch virtual kbd only, on a hw kbd hotkey | 03:16 |
| Juesto | And i still have no idea how to make sdk lanucher use xorg instead of xephyr | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm what? | 03:18 |
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| Oksanaa | Juesto has virtual machine with Devuan and attempts to have fremantle-gtk2 running on it, last I remember? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the maemo apps are 'hardcoded' for a 800*480 display resolution afaik, won't match nicely to most any of your possible plain xorg displays | 03:20 |
| Juesto | Oksanaa: i have to wait since it's already on the works by someone else | 03:20 |
| Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: of course i'll setup a 800x480 display but i want to switch servers | 03:20 |
| Juesto | because xephyr blocks control+shift | 03:21 |
| Oksanaa | Yes, devuan setting up maemo repository or something | 03:21 |
| Oksanaa | Ctrl+Shift? What for? | 03:21 |
| Juesto | Oksanaa: control+shift+<letter> shortcuts | 03:22 |
| Juesto | aka Fn | 03:22 |
| Juesto | ..in maemo keyboard | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/186273/emulate-key-combination-with-xdotool | 03:23 |
| Juesto | ah that seems better, thank you DocScrutinizer05 | 03:23 |
| Juesto | will look later | 03:23 |
| Juesto | bbl | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sandboxing etc - google is your friend ;-) | 03:25 |
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| Oksanaa | Продолжение, if I set Russian as language of hardware keyboard, then Ctrl+Space switches hardware keyboard between Russian and Latin; virtual keyboard isn't affected anymore, no idea where dot is in Latin | 03:31 |
| Oksanaa | Of course, I can still use virtual keyboard, with English and Russian. | 03:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Latin = US layout? | 03:41 |
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| Oksanaa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 | 03:45 |
| povbot | Bug 2501: Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 03:45 |
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| Oksanaa | Latin layout includes бюхъ, which is messed up for English | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I never heard of a 'latin' keyboard layout | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway one thing is pretty obvious: Hildon Input Method stuff needs to be FOSS to receive patches. I wonder why nobody seems to be willing to tackle it | 04:19 |
| Oksanaa | Because it's confusing. Which library.so is responsible for interpretation of Ctrl+Space? Which package does it belong to? How large the package is? | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | search for hildon input method on https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka hildon im | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-input-method-plugins | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-input-method-plugins/blob/master/hildon-im-western-plugin-common3/hildon-im-western-plugin-common.c >>Copyright (C) 2012 Ivaylo Dimitrov <freemangordon@abv.bg><< | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something around there must do the trick | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not necessarily this particular plugin | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also something around there must handle the invocation of vkbd, the shift-lock stuff etc | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'd prolly mutate from Dr Jeckyll to Mr Hyde and start coding away to get shift(-lock) and Fn(lock) state signaled by Indicator LED (pattern) if only I knew where to start | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF is libiphb alias IP heartbeat? Isn't it IP heartbeat that had the vulnerability that allowed heartbleed attack? | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: how does this sound? https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-input-method-plugins/blob/master/hildon-im-fkb/hildon-im-word-completer.c | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA! imengines_wp_set_data("ezitext", (void *)0xBBC58F26); /* WTF ?!? */ | 04:42 |
| Oksanaa | Huh, it should recognise all brackets, as well as ", ?, \, ! and mysterious \xC2\xBF and \xC2\xA1 as marks. Yet I often find a word) added into auto-complete with bracket. | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | check the hex value of the ) | 05:13 |
| Oksanaa | Anyway, shouldn't - and _ and ' be added to marks, instead of being hard-coded separately? | 05:19 |
| Oksanaa | Because marks has only ", not ' | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not that simple, okey-dokey | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, really can't come up with a non_silly example for underline not being a delimiter | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka "mark" | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw nfc what's printf '\uC2BF' or printf '\uC2A1' | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00A1/index.htm | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/c2a1/index.htm | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00bf/index.htm sorry http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/c2bf/index.htm | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;.) | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ¡ ¿ | 06:37 |
| Maxdamantus | 슿슡 | 06:49 |
| Maxdamantus | hangul. | 06:49 |
| Maxdamantus | You can probably press ctrl-shift-u then write the hex digits in your Qt-based IRC client. | 06:50 |
| Maxdamantus | Eh, I suspect I'm still ignored anyway. | 06:51 |
| Maxdamantus | Interestingly, because of hildon-input-method.- | 06:51 |
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| zGrr | moin ;) | 13:56 |
| Michael_a320 | good evening | 13:58 |
| Juesto | morning | 14:04 |
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| n810moron | just got my N810 :D | 18:53 |
| bencoh | yay | 18:53 |
| n810moron | the craziest thing is that theres currently 10 inches of snow outside, and it still came | 18:57 |
| n810moron | it's icy cold to touch lol | 18:57 |
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| Sicelo | you're a happy soul n810moron | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | it's a really beautiful device with superb build | 23:00 |
| n810moron | :) yeah | 23:27 |
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| n810moron | for an N810, should I go xchat or irssi? | 23:39 |
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| n810moron | hello from my N810 | 23:45 |
| n810moron | :) | 23:45 |
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| Sicelo | i don't know .. i have never even seen an N810 in real life :p | 23:55 |
| LjL | i have | 23:55 |
| LjL | maybe i should charge it, too | 23:55 |
| Sicelo | i'd go irssi ... but xchat is gui | 23:55 |
| Sicelo | depends on your needs/likes really | 23:56 |
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