IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2017-02-08

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DocScrutinizer05hi xes! :-)00:34
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xeshi DocScrutinizer05!00:43
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sixwheeledbeastCan't say I have experienced that, but I stopped using my cron/alarmd web radio alarm clock a while back.01:44
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DocScrutinizer05xes: what do you think about running a service?04:12
DocScrutinizer05with a tad of fail2ban magic and the right authentication means I don't think there could be many performance problems. The database stuff needed (if any) seems pretty trivial, so is the max connection count and bandwidth need per client04:20
DocScrutinizer05iirc we still have a idling dns VM, right?04:22
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n810moronI was wondering if anyone has information related to installing Arch Linux on N810s?06:19
n810moronI saw the Debian/Gentoo tutorials06:19
Jueston810moron: likely similar to gentoo tutorial06:23
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n810moronJuseto: it seems like the gentoo tutorial uses a lot of very gentoo-specific scripts. There was a tutorial on but that seems dead now.06:34
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, n810moron needs to learn lingering on in IRC07:13
DocScrutinizer05also "seems dead now"?07:24
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NeKitArch Linux ARM is alive though08:07
KotCzarnynowadays it doesnt really matter, all you need is working bootloader which initializes hw and kernel08:07
KotCzarnyuserland can be transpplanted08:08
KotCzarnyxes: i need some UI design, i'm code guy, not UI and it shows. if you can outline how it should look/work i would gladly implement it08:09
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VajbKotCzarny: u didn't ask me, but OMP would be nice baseline.08:41
KotCzarnyi'm asking anyone interested08:41
KotCzarnyso you want as simple as it gets?08:42
KotCzarnydid you try winamp skin mode?08:42
Vajbwell, what i said and maybe get it integrated well08:42
Vajbi didn't :/08:42
KotCzarnythough i should probably add auto core spawn to gui to make things working for new users08:43
Vajbcan't recall the version i tried, but felt like "ok, but too much everything at once" Maybe menu's and submenu's08:43
KotCzarnyyou can switch to wa mode in options (style menu)08:45
Vajbhmm maybe u can connect efforts with OMP guys? User selectable which one is default player.08:45
Vajbtheir skin and ur engine so to speak08:46
KotCzarnyomp has skins? or are you talking about default ui?08:46
Vajbdefault ui08:47
Vajbi meant that if one wants to he could replace omp with oscp08:48
KotCzarnyanyway, try winamp skin mode if you have a minute or two08:53
Vajbok will do, but don't hold ur breath for it ;)08:53
Vajbbtw do we replacement for defauly gallery?08:54
Vajbdo we have*08:54
KotCzarnyhaven't seen08:54
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Siceloi think there is .. never tried it though09:06
Vajbbtw thought of what xes said and thought that maybe it could be tested via mplayer launching shell script too?09:09
KotCzarnytested what?09:09
Vajbabout that tmo post. Where he said that sometimes when he clicks hi saved shortcut for a radiostream it starts to play something else.09:18
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xesDocScrutinizer05: i have no experience with supl. Or would you mean some kind of supl proxy like this: ? Then, we should evaluate also user's concerns about collected information about imsi,mnc,mcc.. (you know... my supl server setting is disabled)10:06
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xesKotCzarny: thanks. I will try to use it with the will to find something to change :)10:12
KotCzarnyxes, simple outline could be a good start, or quick thoughts10:13
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xesyep, it's easy. It's enough to use it after a night of 3 hours to understand what you can't find or use at first try :)10:16
KotCzarnyits easier on pc because mouse hover actually gives a hint ;)10:17
KotCzarnyreading first time help also helps instead of instantly clicking 'close'10:18
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xesyou are right. But while you forget help informations after some month, if the app is user friendly/instinctive you can use it easily also when you mind is still dreaming or doing something else. Then, this will produce a better integration with the 'human side' and also with the rest of the OS (as secondary effect while trying to reach a good usability)10:24
KotCzarnyuhum, though part of the problem is my usability profile is different from 'default user profile'10:25
KotCzarnyi like 'less clicking/scrolling to do things'10:26
xes...but don't feel this as complaint. Every mind has his shape and paths10:26
KotCzarnywhich results in plenty of controls, which isnt user friendly10:26
KotCzarnystill, i would like it to be usable for others too, that's why i ask for hints10:26
KotCzarnyalso, it's meant to be usable with cursor keys (even in gtk ui mode)10:28
KotCzarnyleft is 'go back/go to parent dir' right is 'play this file/enter dir or archive'10:28
xesplenty of controls is good if inside an easy to guess tree10:29
xesanyway, thanks for your efforts and availabilty, i will come back with some idea :)10:31
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KotCzarnyconnect fan or led10:58
KotCzarnyand test different values10:58
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KotCzarnyeh, echan.10:58
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sixwheeledbeastxes: I have had a look in my alarmed for the script I run to start the radio, it's the same as your post but I am discarding the stdout have you tried that to see if that helps?15:41
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xessixwheeledbeast: the problem is not related only to that script. If you read my post, you can see that the same happens while vieweing a video in the camera-ui2 "preview"16:16
xessixwheeledbeast: then, maybe i'm wrong but i think that in the past that video preview was different, maybe embedded inside camera-ui.. But as said maybe i'm wrong16:21
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sixwheeledbeastI don't have camera-ui2 on my daily device but I will try my old radio script for a bit and see what happens.18:59
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DocScrutinizer05what's the issue?19:29
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, sounds a tad like race with dbus_listen() during app startup. Possibly also related: gstreamer and mafw20:15
bencohthe question would be ... does it happen with stock MediaPlayer, then.20:19
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DocScrutinizer05yes, first of all. Not only stock mediaplayer but also (just) stock alsaped and policyfile, or just stock dbus (proxy) settings, or just stock pulseaudio...20:33
DocScrutinizer05this is a damn complex problem20:34
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DocScrutinizer05aiui there might be differences in stock mediaplayer vs the mediaplayer exhibiting this problem, regarding if and how mafw is used20:36
KotCzarnyhuh, that's why i hate dbus and overcomplicated things20:37
DocScrutinizer05but aiui omp is replacing stock mediaplayer and listens to the very same dbus messages20:38
bencohand it uses mafw as well20:38
KotCzarnybut any app acting as a default player would have to implement such interface20:40
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, so it's either what I originally suspected: race condition when dbus proxy stores the signal and replays it to mediaplayer after process startup, which might happen at a point in time where that process isn't ready to deal with the dbus message yet20:52
DocScrutinizer05or it's totally unrelated to dbus and mediaplayer and rather caused by one of the other domains I listed above20:53
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DocScrutinizer05I suggest to start the mediaplayer with a debug wrapper (or even start the debugger internally inside the mediaplayer) to see exactly what it does, when and why20:55
DocScrutinizer05also don't miss to look into the mediaplayer desktop widget20:57
DocScrutinizer05which might change behavior of mediaplayer by patches applied to hildon desktop or whatever hildon-blabla20:58
DocScrutinizer05(obviously only when that widget is installed)20:58
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DocScrutinizer05a lot of preconditions to check and rule out21:00
DocScrutinizer05the intriguing question is: where is that info (last song played yesterday) stored persistently?21:01
DocScrutinizer05and why doesn'21:02
bencoh"current song" maybe21:02
DocScrutinizer05and why doesn't the new instruction (dbus cmd 'play override that old info21:03
DocScrutinizer05it's either stored in some persisten file with 'settings' like playlists etc, or in some running process work memory aka variables/datastructures21:04
DocScrutinizer05I suspect it's the latter, namely OMP21:05
DocScrutinizer05or the desktop widget21:05
DocScrutinizer05but mafw itself is also a possible culprit, since you could control mafw from multiple frontends, means one frontend instructing a new song playing makes all frontends know about and display that fact21:07
DocScrutinizer05s/from multiple frontends/from multiple frontends concurrently/21:07
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: but mafw itself is also a possible culprit, since you could control mafw from multiple frontends concurrently, means one frontend instructing a new song playing makes all frontends know about and display that fact21:07
DocScrutinizer05at least that's what I think it works like, you would have to ask mohammadAG about details, I never looked into it21:08
DocScrutinizer05anyway mafw is maybe a smart idea, but alas a flawed implementation: it lacks for example gapless playback capabilities21:09
DocScrutinizer05that's why back when the discussion resulted in the conclusion that really high quality media players will want to ignore mafw and coexist with stock mediaplayer instead trying to replace it21:12
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KotCzarnyyeah, gapless (along with x-fade) is on my todo too21:13
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DocScrutinizer05re mafw, I don't know how exactly the API is defined, but it's quite possible it's a mere handling error, e.g. like not stopping but only pausing "the last song of yesterday", and then mafw interpreting a new PLAY command as UNPAUSE and ignoring any parameter that asks for a new media file to playback21:42
DocScrutinizer05in such situation the "persistent storage" would be in mafw itself, but the true culprit would be the controlling process that handles mafw incorrectly21:45
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DocScrutinizer05bencoh: I think the "does it happen with stock media player too" is pretty much to the point. What gives me headache is the "it works ... 80%", which sounds prety much like a race condition. The nasty part about race conditions is to reproduce and/or evaluate them since literally everything you change on the test platform can have an impact to the result22:08
DocScrutinizer05odds are even running OMP under strace will change timing enough so the race doesn't hit anymore22:09
DocScrutinizer05xes: ^^^22:09
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KotCzarnythat link should go into paragrap22:54
KotCzarnydid it for you22:57
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KotCzarnyuh, ECHAN again. sorry.23:07
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OksanaaMaemo Auto-Complete bug: Auto-Complete dictionary for Russian language is contaminated strongly with English words. My impression is that if virtual keyboard is set to Russian, and human is meanwhile typing in English on hardware keyboard, the Auto-Complete catches the words as if they were in Russian.23:52
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