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| jonwil | Gotta be something I can work on/do that doesn't involve touching nasty code (or code in languages I cant understand like Python or Perl or ARM FPU) | 00:08 |
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| bencoh | freemangordon: http://cgit.notk.org/bencoh/maemo/osso-bookmark-engine.git/ | 01:00 |
| bencoh | might not be perfect, but that's all for tonight | 01:00 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: thanks a lot :) | 01:09 |
| freemangordon | will merge it tomorrow on github | 01:09 |
| bencoh | yw :) | 01:15 |
| Juesto | cool | 01:17 |
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| jonwil | Good that another package has been replaced by FOSS :) | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: could you take a note about jonwil's patch? [2017-02-06 Mon 11:12:58] <jonwil> The source code you need to compile is in the CSSU repo :) | 01:42 |
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| n810moron | hello | 01:42 |
| n810moron | I was wondering if anyone here has experience installing (Arch/Debian/Ubuntu/anything) Linux on a N810? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hellp user with intriguing nickname! ;-) | 01:43 |
| n810moron | :P | 01:43 |
| n810moron | Just grabbed an N810 because I've always wanted a pocket linux pc | 01:43 |
| n810moron | realized i have no experience putting linux on n810s | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N810 has nasty issues with charging, as long as you don't have maemo4 bme running on it | 01:44 |
| n810moron | oh? | 01:44 |
| n810moron | will I be able to charge an N810 over USB? | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charging on N910 is soft100% software controlled afaik | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N810* | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, the N810 doesn't charge over USB | 01:45 |
| n810moron | crap | 01:45 |
| n810moron | i bought it without a USB | 01:45 |
| n810moron | i mean charger | 01:45 |
| n810moron | ;~; | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need a 6V power supply with correct barrel jack, no big thing | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5V, sorry | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply an adapter USB->barreljack | 01:47 |
| n810moron | hm | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AC-4E charger (genuine N810) is rated 5.0V/890mA | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2mm barrel jack | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the latter is a tad nasty to find and handle, very flimsy | 01:48 |
| n810moron | hm | 01:49 |
| n810moron | im looking around and it seems like the Nokia N810 takes USB chargers? | 01:49 |
| n810moron | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Home-Wall-Travel-charger-MICRO-USB-for-Nokia-n810-Internet-tablet-/120937987151?hash=item1c28773c4f:m:miK5kXcRoA7uDoShvb4_AAw | 01:49 |
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| vectis3 | N810 does not charge via usb. | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we had that already, yes | 01:52 |
| vectis3 | sorry Doc, just confirming it. I own four of them. | 01:53 |
| n810moron | :( why is life difficult | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see flashing instructions which do require to first attach USB and start flasher, only THEN attach the 2.1mm OD power plug which will boot up the system from power-down | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the boot-up is donw since charging is software controlled, and it doesn't charge from USB so no bootup there | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the small yellow one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Klinken-_und_Hohlstecker.jpg | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector#Listing_of_DC_coaxial_connectors 2.0mm OD "used in Nokia", first row | 01:59 |
| n810moron | http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-PC-Cable-Charger-For-NOKIA-Astound-C7-E5-E61i-E66-N810-6555-6702-SLIDE-2680-/351204264172 into a standard cellphone charger will work? | 01:59 |
| n810moron | it says it supports the N810 but at this point ebay seems to be more fiction than fact | 02:00 |
| n810moron | also I really appreciate the help Doc | 02:00 |
| vectis3 | n810moron: that looks fine. | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/566370_-ladegeraet-ac-4e-nokia.html | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, yours also looks like matching | 02:02 |
| n810moron | Alrighty! | 02:03 |
| n810moron | Thank you so much :)! | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.amazon.com/NOKIA-AC-4U-WALL-CHARGER-2135/dp/B003UHQFY0 for our third-world-citizens ;-) | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly you might want to use a dedicated charger rather than a USB adapter, since ... well, USB is rated at max 500mA unless you use a dedicated USB outlet charger anyway | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | USB charging never really been a comprehensive concept | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alwys had wide 'niche' usecases where at best it simply fails charging, wors case causes hardware defects | 02:09 |
| n810moron | ;-; | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are notebooks known where attaching such a USB charger adapter would fry the USB port | 02:10 |
| n810moron | hm | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's arguable who's at failt then, since USB are specified as shortcircuit-proof | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also this is historical anecdote which has little relevance nowadays | 02:11 |
| n810moron | welp | 02:12 |
| n810moron | i found a usb charger that can put out 750mA | 02:12 |
| n810moron | close enough :? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sound just ok for this purpose | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, absolutely | 02:12 |
| n810moron | awesome C: | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AC-4E is rated 890mA and Nokia is known to overprovision quite a lot on their chargers | 02:14 |
| n810moron | interesting | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so 750mA will just do | 02:15 |
| n810moron | lovely :) | 02:15 |
| n810moron | im quite excited to play with the n810 when it comes, so you'll definitely be seeing quite a bit of me come this friday :) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're welcome :-) | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and i'm sure you'll like the N81ß at very least the mech make | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's awesome device | 02:16 |
| n810moron | :D | 02:16 |
| n810moron | also just found a 850mA/5.1V charger, which I think is just about right? | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:17 |
| n810moron | :D awesome | 02:17 |
| n810moron | have a wonderful day, bye! | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the 2.0mm barrel plug has one "advantage" over micro-USB plugs for charging: before you damage the device by bending the plug (like happens when N900 drops when plugged to charger) you rather simply breal the damn flimsy plug | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | happened to me already | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those shitty plugs feel like to lever a 100g chocolate with a spaghetto (pasta, dried) | 02:23 |
| Juesto | Perhaps i can flash maemo on nexus 5x? | 02:23 |
| Juesto | or dual boot | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no you can't | 02:24 |
| Juesto | what alternatives do i have to the device itself but using a armel android instead | 02:24 |
| Juesto | for using maemo | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo has not yet been ported to any other devices than 770, N8x0, N900, N9, and beaglboard | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon is working on making it operable on some cheablet | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he and Wizzup and a few others aiui | 02:26 |
| parazyd | yep. the tablet we got is a pretty good platform to test | 02:27 |
| parazyd | the screen resolution is also somewhere in there like n900 | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 there were like 5 or 6 different OS operable | 02:27 |
| Juesto | beaglboard ? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beagleboard_xM | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf | 02:28 |
| infobot | somebody said fptf was the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started#Beagle | 02:28 |
| Wizzup | parazyd: I am planning to continue work on wednesday | 02:28 |
| Wizzup | I probably won't get time before wed | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | done by Carsten Munk aka Stskeeps | 02:29 |
| parazyd | i hadn't had time myself either | 02:29 |
| parazyd | will try to continue tomorrow at bridge. got a fast machine there :) | 02:29 |
| Wizzup | ok, cool :) | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, not even xM I guess, just plain BeagleBoard | 02:30 |
| parazyd | iirc the beagleboard has the same gpu as n900, right? | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has the same SoC | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | almist the same | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc N900 is HS, while BB is GP | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka OMAP3430 vs OMAP3530 | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 indeed is a HS device, but not enabled | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 is OMAP3730 and still very similar GPU | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PVR540 vs N900 PVR530 iirc | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I personally thing it should be backward compatible kust like the complete OMAP3630 is backward compatible to OMAP3430 | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think* | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW it might be faster and have more features but is feature complete to its ancestor | 02:37 |
| Juesto | what i should buy then? | 02:42 |
| Juesto | n900 or n9? | 02:42 |
| Juesto | is there a device where maemo works reliably fast? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 | 02:43 |
| Juesto | n9 is on meego | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is for HARM only, and when Maemo fremantle is zombie then HARM to me smells like rotten hell | 02:44 |
| Juesto | i could buy a n9 | 02:44 |
| Juesto | found in mercadolibre | 02:44 |
| Juesto | but not a full n900 | 02:45 |
| Juesto | different parts instead | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh it's a nice device, but I doubt any CSSU alike activity will arise for N8/HARM ever | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N9* | 02:45 |
| Juesto | and neo900 ? | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 is in development | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and guaranteed to be compatible to maemo fremantle | 02:46 |
| Juesto | does it exist already? | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just with twice as fast CPU and 4 times the RAM | 02:46 |
| Juesto | aka full built yet and usable | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 is in development | 02:46 |
| Juesto | by development you mean..? | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're layouting proto_v2 | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want a Neo900 anyway when you already wonder if you want a N900 | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's way too expensive for your needs | 02:47 |
| Juesto | :/ | 02:48 |
| Juesto | i'll be using it for trying out | 02:48 |
| Juesto | something to explore | 02:48 |
| Juesto | since i already have android | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have no idea about what it's like to use maemo on a phone until you own and use a N900 | 02:49 |
| Juesto | a n900 is literally unobtainable here in argentina also | 02:49 |
| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: or any other maemo device ;) | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I hardly know anybody who wants to go back to android after using maemo | 02:50 |
| Juesto | so the n900 is the "top device" nokia made ? | 02:50 |
| Juesto | of the maemo series | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: yes, Argentina is an awful place to be, for maemonians | 02:50 |
| Juesto | :| | 02:51 |
| buZz | Juesto: yeah its the top model, the others arent phones, just pda/'internet tablets' | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, basically. Though Nokia would say the N9 was | 02:51 |
| buZz | N9-00 | 02:51 |
| Juesto | differences? | 02:51 |
| buZz | which isnt the same as N9 , afaik | 02:51 |
| Juesto | Differences? | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is HARM and locked down into oblivion | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis | 02:51 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 02:51 |
| Juesto | TPM framework? | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sevureboot shit | 02:52 |
| Juesto | interesting | 02:52 |
| Juesto | secureboot* | 02:52 |
| Juesto | aka EFI | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trustzone/M-Shield | 02:52 |
| Juesto | aaaaahhh | 02:52 |
| Juesto | Oh well | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka tivoization | 02:53 |
| Juesto | anyways, is there a way to fix the most prone to break parts of the n900? such as the usb pot | 02:53 |
| Juesto | port | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is broken by design | 02:53 |
| Juesto | ... | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as far as HARM OS is concerned | 02:53 |
| buZz | there is always a way to fix anything | 02:53 |
| buZz | it just might take infinite effort/energy | 02:54 |
| Juesto | hm | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: in this case literally | 02:54 |
| Juesto | anyways | 02:54 |
| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i have good hopes :P | 02:54 |
| Juesto | i am talking about the n900 hardware that is prone to be broken | 02:54 |
| Juesto | asking* | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: since you have to fix not only bootloader but whole HARM which is security infested from top to toes | 02:55 |
| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i already switched topic to n900 :P | 02:55 |
| buZz | +back | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry, flu | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bear with me | 02:55 |
| buZz | *hug* | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parts prone to brwak in N900? let's see... USB jack, flat cable, NASTY "No SIM" aka BGA solder points popping open | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first two easily fixable, latter one almost impossible | 02:57 |
| Juesto | o_O | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then lately it seems the PVR segfault issues increase, maybe it wears out over time too | 02:58 |
| buZz | i have heard someone blew their GSM radio in n900 | 02:58 |
| buZz | it still worked afterwards | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? mind to elaborate? | 02:59 |
| buZz | yeah not sure | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~springfix | 02:59 |
| infobot | i guess springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | related? ^^^ | 03:00 |
| buZz | not sure, may be | 03:02 |
| buZz | well | 03:05 |
| buZz | it did seem interrupted connection caused his radio to not work | 03:05 |
| buZz | or at least, error out | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's hard to make smart meaningful comments on "someone blew their GSM radio in n900" | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically the BB5 modem also is an OMAP system so technically unbrickable. Only failure mode is hw defect | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything else is just a sw bug or hickup | 03:09 |
| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: there doesnt always have to be the perfect answer ;) i dont have more details than that it wasnt transmitting and still functioning | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only 3 known hw failure modes in N900 BB5 are: *- frying by battery reversal *- antenna (or SIM) contact dirty (clean it) *- NASTY: chip BGA solder pints pop open from beding PCB by hard pressure to keyboard | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, how can it function when it's not transmitting? isn't TX a mandatory core function of a CMT? | 03:14 |
| buZz | poor nokia n900 looks like its shot :D http://www.ebay.com/itm/232223529230 | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OUCH | 03:15 |
| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: the n900 itself was functioning, the radio was not transmitting | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah the N900 of course still functions as PDA/computer when the modem peripheral is defect | 03:16 |
| buZz | like a fast n810 | 03:16 |
| buZz | ;) | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 03:16 |
| buZz | or a very fast 770 -with- keyboard | 03:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 never even touched a 770 | 03:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 03:17 |
| buZz | its kinda retrochique now | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I _touched_ raterman's N800 and that made me WANTWANTWANTWANTWANTWANT N8x0, I found the N810 nicer though | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rasterman* | 03:18 |
| buZz | n800 was my first and made my like maemo | 03:18 |
| buZz | me* | 03:18 |
| buZz | in the end i spent about 80 euros to get 770, n800, n810 and 2x n900 | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh!!! | 03:19 |
| buZz | +some money for nokia cases :P | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I spent 80EUR on phnecalls where to get a N810 | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 03:20 |
| buZz | :) | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recently I got me another 5 N810 | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for quite 'cheap' | 03:20 |
| buZz | nice | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my first one was like iirc 350 bucks, or more? | 03:21 |
| buZz | my n810 was 24 euro i think | 03:21 |
| buZz | EUR 23,49 | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then same shop got me a spare one a year later, took them 4 weeks. And a few years later the shop was gone ;-P | 03:22 |
| buZz | and 6 shipping :P | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, you can't be a N810 poineer | 03:22 |
| buZz | oct 2016 | 03:23 |
| buZz | well. bedtime here \o | 03:23 |
| buZz | nn | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when using my N810 as only 'computer' 90% of day, I moaned "IF *ONLY* they had inclided a modem into that thing!!!", then a few months later I learned about Nokia's plans for N900 | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | others felt alike ;-) See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=551420#post551420 | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: n8, see ^^^ for nice dreams ;-) | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blueled is an awesome guy | 03:27 |
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| Vajb | tried to make garage account yesterday, but it failed. So much for the voting of packages... | 09:11 |
| Vajb | i got link and when i set my details it just blurbed "access denied" | 09:11 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: hmm, what is pull address for that repo? | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | i think garage accounts have to be confirmed by admin | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | ~garage | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | hrm. | 09:12 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: git remote add bencoh http://git.notk.org/bencoh/maemo/osso-bookmark-engine.git and then git pull --rebase bencoh master results in: | 09:14 |
| freemangordon | fatal: repository 'http://git.notk.org/bencoh/maemo/osso-bookmark-engine.git/' not found | 09:14 |
| Vajb | well it said that i have link and when i click and put my username and pass it is activated | 09:14 |
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| Juesto | KotCzarny: admin approval is for packages not account validation btw | 09:21 |
| Juesto | freemangordon: tried browsing it? | 09:21 |
| Juesto | or git:// | 09:22 |
| freemangordon | Juesto: git:// doesnt work | 09:25 |
| freemangordon | and yes, I tried browsing it, but that doesn't help muc for doing pull | 09:25 |
| freemangordon | *much | 09:25 |
| Juesto | try downloading it the entire thing then rename to .git ? | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | doesnt git work with http:// too? | 09:28 |
| Juesto | that link seems a empty repository | 09:28 |
| Juesto | or not, i dont know | 09:28 |
| Juesto | bencoh: what's your git config for your git repo? | 09:28 |
| Juesto | .git/config | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | either he didnt setup git/repo properly or it was late | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | or his apache doesnt serve .git things | 09:30 |
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| KotCzarny | no .git dir | 09:30 |
| Juesto | KotCzarny: the entire thing is the .git dir | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | right | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | so he copied wrong subdir | 09:32 |
| Juesto | he has cgit | 09:34 |
| Juesto | hmm freemangordon perhaps you're not specifying the branch you want? | 09:35 |
| Juesto | cgit.notk.org/bencoh | 09:35 |
| Juesto | seems its something where different people publish things | 09:35 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: I probably forgot to configure it for http index update | 09:36 |
| Juesto | hm | 09:36 |
| Juesto | the others people stuff have the same problem, i think, not sure | 09:36 |
| Juesto | or we dont know how that site works | 09:36 |
| bencoh | it's my server. | 09:38 |
| bencoh | 09:29 < KotCzarny> either he didnt setup git/repo properly or it was late | 09:38 |
| bencoh | and KotCzarny is right | 09:38 |
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| bencoh | freemangordon: should work now, sorry about that | 09:45 |
| bencoh | git update-server-info in bare repo, for the record. | 09:46 |
| bencoh | and config it with receive.updateserverinfo = 1 for automatic update on push | 09:47 |
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| KotCzarny | montjoie: why so? | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | ECHAN. eh | 10:35 |
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| zGrr | moin ;) | 12:39 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: yep, it is ok now | 16:37 |
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| sunshavi | +euid | 16:48 |
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| bencoh | freemangordon: :) | 17:19 |
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| Wizzup | Does anyone know if fennec is android only now? I know they dropped maemo a long time ago, but was hoping for non-maemo non-android builds.. | 17:44 |
| Wizzup | (to build it for devuan at some point, perhaps) | 17:44 |
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| Juesto | yes Wizzup | 19:11 |
| Juesto | its also iOS iirc | 19:11 |
| Juesto | perhaps Firefox OS too | 19:11 |
| Juesto | idk about ubuntu touch | 19:11 |
| Juesto | you can try building fennec tho | 19:12 |
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| NeKit | Juesto, Firefox OS is no more, and they dropped B2G code | 19:14 |
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| Juesto | o_O | 19:27 |
| Juesto | yeah well, im outdated since im zlined in moznet | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: fennec was worse than standard FF even at the time they made it genuinely for maemo | 19:44 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: not touch wise | 19:48 |
| bencoh | even touch wise it wasn't that good, but yeah | 19:49 |
| Wizzup | at least it had recent code at the time :) | 19:49 |
| bencoh | more recent than microb you mean | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think fennec was slower and iirc used _more_ RAM than FF | 19:50 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: less exploitable | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't know what's "touch wise" | 19:51 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I don't care about speed, at this point, microb cannot render any site that is useful for me | 19:51 |
| Wizzup | (which is mostly mobile sites of public transport) | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah so you're after GUI / UX adaptions in fennec? | 19:52 |
| Wizzup | yep | 19:53 |
| Wizzup | might still be able to take old fennec and recent xul | 19:53 |
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| bencoh | Wizzup: tbh I' starting to think the best we could do regarding specific "mobile" websites is what cutetube does with *tube sites | 20:03 |
| bencoh | parse html and render it in a non-expensive, native manner | 20:04 |
| bencoh | since websites do break after a while if you stop upgrading browser anyway | 20:04 |
| bencoh | so we'd at least have a decent user experience | 20:05 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: btw some mobile website do work when chaning useragent | 20:05 |
| bencoh | +s | 20:05 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: it's all and dandy if there was free, stable api | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | but due to abusers there isnt | 20:10 |
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| Sicelo | examples of non-working mobile sites? | 20:21 |
| Sicelo | i've used opera mobile, fennec, qml-browser .. and each time i come back to MicroB for sites that *I* use ... for me it works way better than the alternatives .. some sites need a lot of patience though | 20:24 |
| bencoh | uber doesn't work with microb. but does work with one of the others iirc | 20:33 |
| Wizzup | well, I don't care about uber :) | 20:34 |
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| Sicelo | i don't have an uber account, but the home page is loading just fine (just taking forever) ... looks like it's not even mobile page | 20:36 |
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| xes | it's just me ..or nobody else noticed about this? http://talk.maemo.com/showpost.php?p=1522786&postcount=1717 | 22:38 |
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| KotCzarny | xes: i use oscp for media ;) | 22:41 |
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| xes | KotCzarny: is it your default player? | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | havent gotten around to integrate it nicely, but it supports external commands from os | 22:51 |
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| xes | KotCzarny: well, let me say that a better integration and some new style for the ui would make it more usable and attractive | 23:05 |
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