| n810moron | im tryimg xchat rn and its pretty nice | 00:11 |
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| n810moron | does installing bash and chsh'ing to it work? | 00:16 |
| n810moron | oh theres a package for it which has setup scripts | 00:24 |
| Maxdamantus | XChat? Is that because you're stuck with an old repository that doesn't have HexChat? | 00:25 |
| doppler | seems that I always find 770s or N800s | 00:25 |
| n810moron | possibly lol | 00:26 |
| n810moron | which repos should i be using | 00:26 |
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| Juesto | telepathy-idle | 00:49 |
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| vectis3 | Isn't HexChat for n900? | 01:09 |
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| Maxdamantus | vectis3: HexChat is the general continuation of XChat, not specific to N900. | 01:43 |
| Maxdamantus | the maintainer of XChat apparently became unresponsive at some point so the other developers just rebranded it and hosted it elsewhere. | 01:44 |
| vectis3 | Maxdamantus: Thanks for the info :) | 01:48 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 10:05 |
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| Oksanaa | LEDs work now, for no visible reason. Which package is better, xiph-support or decoders-support? | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | better for what? | 14:36 |
| Oksanaa | For tracking and decoding wide variety of audio and video files. So far, I have decoders-support installed, and flac and other audio gets tracked and played, while video gets tracked, but some of it gives "Media format not supported" errors. | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | xiph obviously only means ogg/vorbis/theora | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | i would bet that decoders-support has it ot relies on it | 14:39 |
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| Oksanaa | Decoders-support relies on ogg-support, which conflicts with xiph-support. And currently, an ogv with theora encoded video gives error video codec not supported error. | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | because probably ogg-support doesnt have video codec support | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | uninstall ogg-support and xiph-support, install decoders-support and see if it plays more formats? | 14:44 |
| Oksanaa | Decoders-support depends on ogg-support and is already installed. Ogg-support and xiph-support have identical dependencies. | 14:45 |
| Juesto | hey oksanaa | 14:47 |
| Juesto | Strange | 14:47 |
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| Oksanaa | Installing xiph-support seems only to worsen the situation. | 15:00 |
| Juesto | Is ffmpeg available? | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | old one | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | i just compile my player with latest libav statically, less hassles | 15:04 |
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| Oksanaa | Installed back ogg-support, still not playing this theora.ogv video. Siberian hitch from Wikimedia Commons. | 15:10 |
| Juesto | OGV? | 15:11 |
| Juesto | uhm | 15:11 |
| Juesto | link of the file? | 15:11 |
| KotCzarny | ogg is a container, as in 'avi' | 15:11 |
| Juesto | yeah | 15:11 |
| KotCzarny | real codec is called vorbis for audio and theora for video | 15:11 |
| Juesto | i want to look at the file via media info | 15:11 |
| Juesto | oksanaa ^ | 15:11 |
| Oksanaa | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/f/f1/Siberian_hitch.webm/Siberian_hitch.webm.480p.ogv | 15:20 |
| Juesto | Oksanaa: since it's transcoded, what about MP4 ? | 15:26 |
| Juesto | sigh | 15:27 |
| Juesto | its impossible | 15:27 |
| Oksanaa | Prefer open codecs | 15:27 |
| Juesto | webm or theora only | 15:27 |
| Juesto | Does maemo supprot webm? | 15:27 |
| Oksanaa | Webm stutters. Ogv is better. It did work before. | 15:27 |
| Juesto | vp8/vorbis | 15:28 |
| Juesto | Ouch | 15:28 |
| Juesto | Oksanaa: What changed? what broke? | 15:28 |
| Juesto | when it broke? | 15:28 |
| Oksanaa | No Idea. And installing gstreamer0.10-theora doesn't help. | 15:30 |
| Juesto | Do you remember what was installed when it was working? | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | try to play it from command line via gstreamer | 15:31 |
| Juesto | KotCzarny: is custom compiled ffmpeg for maemo good? | 15:32 |
| Juesto | as in, how well your copy works | 15:32 |
| Juesto | it is stable enough for other people to use it? | 15:32 |
| KotCzarny | juesto: since my player is mainliny audio player, i only enable audio codecs | 15:32 |
| KotCzarny | *mainly | 15:32 |
| Juesto | Ah | 15:32 |
| KotCzarny | and it's stable | 15:33 |
| Juesto | well and video? | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | for video i just call gstreamer | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | not that i use it for video, but it was an easy code, so it's there | 15:33 |
| Juesto | Ah i see | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | not to mention software decoding video on single core a9@600mhz isnt going to show fireworks | 15:34 |
| Juesto | Should she try 360p version? | 15:35 |
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| KotCzarny | someone should write dsp optimized video codec for vp8/9 and theora, but that's hard even for people knowing assembly | 15:36 |
| Oksanaa | KotCzarny: gst-launch ffdemux_ogg /home/user/MyDocs/.videos/Siberian_hitch.webm.480p.ogv | 15:37 |
| Oksanaa | works, or says that it works. No idea how to actually see the video on the screen. | 15:37 |
| KotCzarny | oksanaa: you can either check gst cheat sheets or try gst123 (i'm using it in oscp so you can grab it from there or compile your own) | 15:38 |
| KotCzarny | you have to add proper chains (in/decode/out) | 15:38 |
| Juesto | armel assembly specifically right? | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | nope, dsp code | 15:43 |
| Juesto | Hm | 15:43 |
| Juesto | ah right | 15:43 |
| Juesto | isnt there something like mplayer or totem for maemo? | 15:43 |
| Juesto | for sapwood/hildon | 15:43 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it uses software decoding | 15:43 |
| KotCzarny | ie. cpu | 15:43 |
| Juesto | any way to make it use gstreamer? | 15:44 |
| Juesto | as in, is CLI accelerated or not? | 15:44 |
| KotCzarny | gstreamer doesnt have many modern hw codecs | 15:44 |
| * Juesto sighs | 15:45 | |
| L29Ah | damn n900 doesn't want to boot while being charged from my laptop again | 15:47 |
| Juesto | L29Ah: charge a bit then turn it on? | 15:47 |
| L29Ah | charging indication stops after a few seconds | 15:47 |
| Juesto | does it even charge? | 15:47 |
| Juesto | ouch | 15:47 |
| L29Ah | how do i tell? | 15:47 |
| Juesto | wait..? | 15:48 |
| KotCzarny | pulsing amber or green? | 15:48 |
| L29Ah | now the charging indication is locked on its maximum brightness | 15:48 |
| L29Ah | amber | 15:48 |
| KotCzarny | pulsing or constant? | 15:48 |
| L29Ah | used to be pulsing, now constant | 15:48 |
| KotCzarny | might not be charged at all | 15:48 |
| KotCzarny | ~flatbat | 15:48 |
| KotCzarny | ~ping | 15:48 |
| infobot | ~pong | 15:48 |
| Juesto | Rip | 15:48 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 15:48 |
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| KotCzarny | ~flatbatrecover | 15:49 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) | 15:49 |
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| L29Ah | hooked it into a dumb charger, see same behaviour | 15:50 |
| L29Ah | > steady amber | 15:50 |
| L29Ah | ok i guess | 15:50 |
| Juesto | Tried a proper charger? | 15:50 |
| Juesto | ah | 15:50 |
| Juesto | hm | 15:50 |
| L29Ah | dunno what's a "proper charger" | 15:50 |
| KotCzarny | proper charger == original nokia one | 15:50 |
| L29Ah | :D | 15:50 |
| Juesto | sometimes chargers have more power to charge faster | 15:50 |
| Juesto | Lol | 15:50 |
| Juesto | voltage* | 15:51 |
| Juesto | or whatever | 15:51 |
| L29Ah | i doubt n900 supports that | 15:51 |
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| L29Ah | i can just hook my liion charger wires to my 18650 block but i decided to have a try with usb stuff just in case | 15:51 |
| Juesto | be careful | 15:52 |
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| joga | heh... I had problems with charging the n900 before from a powerbank using a certain cable... now I couldn't get it to charge anymore after many attempts, and I was outside home, so got the cheapest microusb cable I could find nearby and woo, no problems charging. It also feels a lot less loose than the previous cable so maybe it's just mechanical wear on the old cable or whatever | 16:07 |
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| L29Ah | no it didn't charge | 18:21 |
| L29Ah | that bastard | 18:21 |
| L29Ah | reporting to be charging but not charging | 18:21 |
| doppler | :( | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | L29Ah: it is charging, but slowly, only 100 mA | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | (assuming it is still connected to your laptop USB port) | 18:36 |
| L29Ah | it got +10mV in 2h on a 4A*h battery | 18:36 |
| L29Ah | (3.40 to 3.41) | 18:37 |
| L29Ah | maybe it didn't even charge and it's the battery capacitance recovered from a current surges of starting up n900 | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | maybe that low current isnt able to charge it? | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | looks normal for 100 mA charge current to me | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | L29Ah: just find 1A wall charger | 18:38 |
| L29Ah | 3.40 to 3.41 is like 1% | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | how did you measure that voltage? | 18:38 |
| L29Ah | i used a wall charger | 18:38 |
| L29Ah | probing the battery | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | is it 1A or 2.1 A? | 18:38 |
| L29Ah | with a multimeter | 18:39 |
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| L29Ah | 1A | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | could you check with your multimeter if there is a short between D+ and D- ? | 18:39 |
| L29Ah | switched to another cable, now it has charged for real | 18:40 |
| L29Ah | 3.55V | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | do you have any charge 'doctor' to confirm any usage? | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | figures | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | mark that other cable as bad | 18:40 |
| L29Ah | and the former cable works just fine for data | 18:40 |
| L29Ah | and it detects the charger somehow over it | 18:41 |
| L29Ah | WTF | 18:41 |
| L29Ah | what's so bad about the cable? | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | contacts? | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | cheap, dumb? | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | might be weared | 18:41 |
| L29Ah | so they have like 3V worth of drop? | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | I doubt bq will wait for 3V drop before stopping the charging | 18:42 |
| L29Ah | what microusb cables should i buy from ebay btw? | 18:42 |
| KotCzarny | 24avg or less | 18:42 |
| L29Ah | they don't specify this as i see | 18:42 |
| KotCzarny | then dont buy those | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | L29Ah: you'd better buy charger, not cables | 18:42 |
| L29Ah | i don't need a charger | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | ok | 18:43 |
| L29Ah | i need a cable for emergency charging from my laptop | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | then get good data cable | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | 4 wires | 18:43 |
| L29Ah | i have a 4A LiIon charger for regular stuff | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | L29Ah: it doesn;t work like that | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | the most you got over USB is 500 mA | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | BUT | 18:43 |
| L29Ah | but i did the test to ensure i can charge it a bit in case i'm in a forest with my laptop and a cable | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, some laptops are fine with much more than 500mA | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | you should have the OS booted, iirc, otherwise you got only 100 mA | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: it is not what port can handle, it is what n900 will draw | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | *not about | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, oh | 18:44 |
| L29Ah | can it be hacked so it draws 1A in every circumstance? | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | L29Ah: yye, you need to short-circuot D+ and D- | 18:45 |
| L29Ah | w/o messing with pcb | 18:45 |
| L29Ah | :( | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | you can rework the canle | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | *cable | 18:45 |
| L29Ah | i expected a software solution | 18:45 |
| L29Ah | i see that n900 boots the kernel even to start charging-blinking stuff | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | not sure, maybe there exists such a solution if you use bme replacement | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | yes | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | oh, well | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | NOLO supports charging as well, but iirc it draws 100 mA only | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | Pali_: ^^^ ? | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | an;t remember the details | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | *can't | 18:47 |
| Pali_ | DocScrutinizer05 ^ | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | :) | 18:47 |
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| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Useful_Mobile_URLs | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | spam detected | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | anyone can clean it/block the user? | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | xes? | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Defining_maemo | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | ugh | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | quite a lot of spam in talk: | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | all users are unregistered | 19:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: I'll look | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:MaemoCommunity_eV | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | for easy spotting click history or diffs | 19:30 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder for how long it went | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | maybe server admin can run some cleanup script (and block posting talk: entries containing links | 19:31 |
| xes | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=60&limit=500 | 19:32 |
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| KotCzarny | xes, yeah, a lot | 19:32 |
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| xes | i will check the wiki's anti spam filter,maybe it's not exaclty aligned to the tmo one | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | i think its because wiki allows anonymous posting in talk: pages | 19:33 |
| xes | (the tmo one has looonger memory for bad guys) | 19:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ok fixed and bliacklisted IP's | 19:37 |
| xes | sixwheeledbeast: thanks | 19:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: Any others? I used to have the time to check for spam on a daily basis but unfortunately not any more. | 19:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Any spam on the wiki ping me I can sort it. | 19:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | xes: np | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | swb: check all anonymous (ip based) adds | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Community_SSU | 19:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: just done that, I can only check back 30 days and I have just blacklists and rolledback those. | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | i cant get history older than 3 dec 2016 | 19:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok 60 days | 19:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh I can manually edit the days in the URL | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | but i would advise someone to run some searches on anonymous adds in talk: pages | 19:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yep 3 dec is as far back as I can search | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | btw. wmo is missing favicon | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | and favicons make links nicer in bookmarks ;) | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/favicon.ico | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | but its referenced in wmo pages: <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico" /> | 19:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I already reported that but NFC what the answer was. | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | just copy it from tmo ? | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | maybe att white T over it to make it distinct | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | *add | 19:52 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: should point to href="/skins/monobookmaemo2009/static/maemo_favicon.ico" | 20:30 |
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| ff_ | can n900 use all 90MB/s r/w speed of https://www.sandisk.com/home/memory-cards/microsd-cards/extremeplus-microsd ? | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | nope. your target is a card with highest iops you can get, not sequential speed | 22:09 |
| ff_ | and the lowest access time? | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but getting real (4k r/w) iops benchmarks is tricky | 22:12 |
| ff_ | some example? | 22:12 |
| ff_ | it's possible make block size bigger then 4k? | 22:13 |
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| KotCzarny | most noname cards have iops in 0.1-1/s range | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | some samsung evo +/pro manage to get ~100iops | 22:15 |
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| ff_ | you're right http://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/reviews/sd-cards/sandisk-extreme-plus-95-90-mbs-64gb-micro-sdxc-memory-card/ only 3MB/s random write, 700ish iops | 23:26 |
| ff_ | ssd are designed for much more iops https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-worlds-first-universal-flash-storage-ufs-removable-memory-card-line-up-offering-up-to-256-gigabyte-gb-capacity 40000 iops, but that's not helpful for n900 | 23:30 |
| Juesto | Nice! | 23:35 |
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