IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2017-02-01

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NeKitJuesto, where are you stuck exactly?00:45
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DocScrutinizer05aiui at hildon config whatever00:49
DocScrutinizer05without better problem description it's hard to suggest a solution00:49
freemangordonNeKit: seems I broke some backages when I moved stuff from upstart-dev to maemo-system-service-dev00:49
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freemangordonpackages even00:50
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freemangordonI forgot to fix build-dependencies of 2-3 packages00:51
freemangordonwhich is not surprising, give the number of packages ported so far :)00:51
freemangordonJuesto:  what about forking those problematic packages on github, fixing debian/control and requesting a merge back?00:52
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Juestofreemangordon: i  dont really like forking on github :p03:38
Juestoapologies for the inactivity,03:40
JuestoNeKit: read the pastebin i pasted today03:42
Juestofreemangordon: im not completely familiar with debian packaging.. and perhaps i could make a git .patch ?03:43
* Juesto is having some personal crisis\....03:44
MaxdamantusWhat's wrong with forking on github?03:48
MaxdamantusYou can fork after you've done all the work.03:49
Maxdamantusthen just add your fork as a remote to the local repository you were working in, push to it, create a pull request.03:49
Maxdamantusthen after the changes are merged you can remove your fork from github.03:50
Juestoits just a mess for me03:57
JuestoBecause locally it means switching repositories Maxdamantus03:57
Juestoor im missing something03:57
MaxdamantusSwitching repositories?04:47
MaxdamantusNo, you clone the original repository.04:47
Maxdamantusso now you have your own copy, on your computer .. you write your code there.04:47
Maxdamantusthen you add your github repository as another remote, so you have remotes/origin as the original repository and remotes/juesto as your own one.04:48
Maxdamantusthose are just references to other repositories from the repository on your computer.04:48
Maxdamantusif you have permission, you can push to them (you'll probably be able to push to your own github repository ("juesto"), no the original ("origin"))04:49
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Maxdamantusgit remote add juesto
Maxdamantusgit push juesto HEAD:implement-some-feature04:51
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Maxdamantusthen you can make a pull request for the "implement-some-feature" branch on your github repository.04:52
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Juestoah thank you05:14
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Juestoand im more a tortoisegit user than git cli06:10
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MaxdamantusPresumably you can do it in tortoisegit too.06:29
* Maxdamantus just uses git, and gitk/tig for searching through things.06:29
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Maxdamantusgitk refers to some git-gui that I think lets you commit/push/fetch etc, but I've never used it.06:34
Juestoah no clue, will look at it later06:39
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xescan we still call it "router"?
KotCzarnysure, it routes packets around15:11
KotCzarny340eur is a bit steep though15:11
xesKotCzarny: fact it routes :)15:12
KotCzarnyif it was ~100eur i would buy it in an eye blink15:12
KotCzarnyfor now i've settled for banana pi r115:13
KotCzarnyarmada 385 is very nice though15:13
inzIf only there was a way to get them properly hooked up to ADSL/VDSL line (i.e. without another box)15:16
xesKotCzarny: well, you can live very well also with a BtHomeHub 5a + openwrt... but that turris is really a monster15:16
KotCzarnyinz: mini-pcie adsl modem? usb?15:16
xesinz: there is an sfp-vdsl adapter15:16
KotCzarnyor that.15:16
inzKotCzarny, last I looked for USB ones, I failed. Maybe it was just me =) Didn't realize turris had mPCIe15:18
KotCzarnyinz: 3 of them15:20
bencohlooks cute15:21
bencoh(the router)15:21
bencoh15:16 < xes> inz: there is an sfp-vdsl adapter15:23
bencohohwell, $100 for a vdsl sfp15:25
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parazydKotCzarny: keep in mind the bpi r1 has only one ethernet controller15:43
KotCzarnyi know15:43
parazydand the wifi drops sometimes15:43
KotCzarnyi've added battery backup for a bit more stable work15:43
parazydit's the 8192cu realtek crap15:43
KotCzarnyand dont use wifi15:43
buZzxes: eh, no15:43
buZzthats not a router :P15:43
KotCzarnywhole board is the cheapest/lowest you can get15:43
buZzit only has a single ethernet device15:44
buZz(and a switch between it)15:44
KotCzarnybuzz: you can add more via sfp/minipcie15:44
buZz-as is- its not a router15:44
buZzor not a good one15:44
bencohbuZz: not exactly no15:44
buZzholy fuckstick @ price15:44
buZz  <-- real router15:45
buZz~4x cheaper15:45
bencohit has a ethernet switching processing unit15:45
Juestohey, how's progress btw15:45
buZzbencoh: you ever used a marvell?15:45
buZzbencoh: they're shite15:45
* Juesto has took a break15:45
bencohbuZz: yeah, they're not "shit"15:45
buZz:) ok15:45
parazydbut can it run devuan? :p15:45
KotCzarnybroken site, doesnt work without js :P15:46
buZzthey are not THE shit15:46
bencohparazyd: probably ;p15:46
bencohbuZz: they've had issues like pretty much every chip vendor15:46
buZzyeah, as in near no docs, poor performance vs competing chips, and basically be a laughing stock15:46
bencohI'm currently working fulltime on imx(freescale)-based boards, while they're the most open you can get these days, they have their pile of issues as well15:46
buZzbut beside that i guess its fine15:46
* buZz throws some dockstars into the fire15:48
bencohand actually they do have a nice (almost-)reference design for network applications and as such is used in quite a few network appliances15:48
bencohespecially regarding the thing your ranted about (the hw ethernet switch)15:48
buZzracism gets used a lot aswell, still dont think its viable :P15:48
bencohand so is java, riight ;p15:49
buZzbencoh: broadcom is also used a lot in networking15:49
buZzdoesnt mean its any good15:49
bencohbuZz: blobs aside, they're not that bad15:49
buZzi'm not sure how they could be any worse :P15:49
bencohbelieve me they could15:49
Juestosome help..?15:51
bencohwhat about?15:51
Juestonot sure, i...15:51
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Juestohi Oksanaa :)15:59
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Juestoi guess i've burned out and i want someone to verify16:25
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buZzdid you post some update to that forumlink?17:15
Juestonot really17:16
Juestoi dont even have a tmo acc buZz17:17
buZzi dont think i do either17:17
buZzits probably easy to make one :P17:17
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bencohit should be17:24
Juestoit is17:27
Juestohow do i link tmo and ?17:45
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Juestowhy isnt very inutive17:52
Juestolike its missing things17:52
Juestoxes ?17:52
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bencohwhich things are you referring to?18:08
Juestobencoh: missing links, such as loggoing out from, editing the profile, etc18:10
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JuestobuZz: posted18:23
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Juestofreemangordon: hildon is broken, missing configure18:30
bencohif you're talking about sources from a git repository (as opposed to a dist tarball) then it's "normal" and you're suppose to either generate it using autotools18:31
bencohor build using dpkg-buildpackage assuming there is a debian/18:31
Juestobencoh: It fails to generate it18:31
bencohmissing autoconf/automake/libtool/whatever maybe>18:32
Juestothere's missing rules for some packages18:32
JuestoNo rule to make target 'distclean' bencoh18:33
bencohah, right18:33
bencohthat's silly, it just tries doing distclean before generating the whole autotools environment18:33
bencohbut can't make distclean since there is no makefile yet18:33
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buZzJuesto: awesome!!!18:37
DocScrutinizer05((<buZz>  <-- real router)) full ack18:43
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DocScrutinizer05ERpro here18:45
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DocScrutinizer05of course it has proprietary blobs for the proprietary hw turbo that handles roting on a mere hw level to achieve 2 million packets per second18:47
warfareThe Octeon also does IPSec and pppoe encaps in hardware. Quite a nice beast for the price.18:50
DocScrutinizer05octeon is the CPU of ERpro?18:52
warfareyes. It's a mips core with all the packet forwarding/offloading stuff.18:53
warfareAlso found in Junipers SRX100 where they disabled all the nice hw offloading.18:53
DocScrutinizer05aah 'offloading' was the right term18:54
DocScrutinizer05not "proprietary hw turbo"18:55
DocScrutinizer05ok, it's obviously not open hardware afaict. Anyway runs a pretty 'normal' linux aiui18:56
DocScrutinizer05duh! why, Juniper, WHY?18:57
warfare$reasons. Probably because then the "lowend" device would have been too fast.18:58
DocScrutinizer05ok, offloading of course is less versatile regarding what you can filter etc18:58
DocScrutinizer05depends on particular implementation though. Also the option to only offload some but not all packets19:01
DocScrutinizer05warfare: any info on details how Octeon implemented offloading? FPGA or something more hardwired?19:02
warfareDocScrutinizer05: No idea, probably hardwired19:06
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Juestoalso seems that clockd-dbg requires libiphb0 0.0.41 but the installed one is .1719:09
Juestonow im stuck with alarmd19:10
Juestounable to uninstall alarmd-dbg19:10
DocScrutinizer05warfare: do you know where Ubiqiti provides the sourcecode? and which distro it is based on?19:10
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Juestopali: i broke my packaging :/19:11
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Juestounable to remove alarmd19:13
Juestobut now i cant install alarmd either19:13
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Palihow unable?19:13
xesubiquity... blobs.. "Not fixed by Vendor, the bug is a feature"
JuestoWould you like to connect to vnc?19:14
Palino vnc here19:14
PaliI do not understand how you cannot uninstall it?19:15
Paliyou broke dpkg database? or what?19:15
KotCzarnyhe is learning de*uan apparently19:17
Palidpkg --remove or dpkg --purge must work19:19
Paliif not some --force-help should help19:19
Paliand if still not, then dpkg database is broken and you should reinstall system19:19
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Juestoits still inconsistent19:27
Juestoand reinstalling is worse, kind of19:27
DocScrutinizer05gawd! I should immediately update19:36
JuestoPali: i guess i should create user 'user' and group 'users'19:40
DocScrutinizer05xes: I don't completely understand the issue, particularly did Ubiquiti refuse to fix that vulnerability?19:40
Juestoits getting worse19:42
Juestodsmesock_connect: no such file or directlry19:49
Juestowhen trying to start alarmd service pali19:49
Paliso... is dsme running?19:49
Juestotheres no dsme service19:51
Juestoit cant start19:52
Juestothe dbus service19:52
Juestoyou're at work or something?19:54
DocScrutinizer05BBL - with some luck :-)19:54
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DocScrutinizer05AAAAND firefox shows EdgeMAX surface again, incl all fancy gadgets20:01
* DocScrutinizer05 nukes chrome20:01
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DocScrutinizer05dsmesock_connect: No such file or directory ---  subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 120:09
DocScrutinizer05I have a strong suspicion you got no dsme installed and running ;-)20:10
DocScrutinizer05append "||:" to end of a few pre-removal lines that may fail20:11
DocScrutinizer05Juesto: ^^^20:14
JuestoDocScrutinizer05: dsmetools -d gives the same sock connect error20:15
DocScrutinizer05of course20:15
DocScrutinizer05that's the point20:15
DocScrutinizer05fsckng dsmetool has no means to *list* the monitored daemons/processes it started20:19
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DocScrutinizer05but I can bet my ass on >>user      1083  0.0  0.6   4004  1508 ?        Ss   Jan17   0:02 /usr/sbin/alarmd<< being started via dsme20:20
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DocScrutinizer05cat /etc/init.d/alarmd20:22
DocScrutinizer05$DSMETOOL -U user -G users -f "$DAEMON $DAEMON_OPTS"20:22
DocScrutinizer05elif [ "$USE_DSMETOOL" = "no" ]; then ... else ^^^20:23
DocScrutinizer05so when you don't have DSME installed, you should set $USE_DSMETOOL" = "no", and if the pre-removal file doesn't obey that then that's clearly a bug20:24
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: Pali: ^^^20:26
DocScrutinizer05or PEBCAK when $USE_DSMETOOL = "no" but user failed to run apt-get in an environment where it actually is visible20:27
DocScrutinizer05Juesto: try:  USE_DSMETOOL="no" dpkg -i alarmd_*.deb20:29
DocScrutinizer05also could you please provide the pre-removal script in pastebin?20:30
DocScrutinizer05or the complete *.deb20:30
DocScrutinizer05so I could check20:31
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DocScrutinizer05or maybe you first want to check what's sttaus of your dsme* install20:33
DocScrutinizer05don't know if you already installed it and whether it's supposed to be running/working20:33
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DocScrutinizer05maybe starting at >>dsmetools -d gives the same sock connect error<< is actually a good vector to tackle it20:35
DocScrutinizer05no idea how >>/sbin/dsme -p /usr/lib/dsme/<< is supposed to be started, when and by what20:36
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /etc/event.d/dsm*20:38
DocScrutinizer05LOL  /etc/event.d/dsme-thermal20:41
DocScrutinizer05 for your convenience20:42
Juestocan vnc DocScrutinizer05 ?20:49
DocScrutinizer05VNC on maemo somewhat works, yes20:50
DocScrutinizer05both directions afaik20:50
JuestoDocScrutinizer05: i prefer that someone connects to check it out20:52
Juestoi'll try the USE_DSMETOOL=no20:52
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I don't think I can log in to _your_ device20:53
Juestoworked but /etc/osso-af-init/ is not readable20:54
Juestofrom the alarmd.wrapper20:54
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh20:55
Juestoeverything there has extension20:55
Juesto.dpkg-new *20:56
Juestoall .sh20:56
DocScrutinizer05when there's no similar file without that extensuion, rename the *.dpkg-new to *20:57
Juestowhy you dont/cant connect to my vm over vnc?20:57
JuestoLOL, dsme powered off my system due to init 820:57
Juestoinit stuck20:58
DocScrutinizer05Juesto: sorry, a few reasons: no time and vnc to much overhead to config/use. Then I also think I would need way more info than what you provided, at least I *really* hope so, since otherwise you opened up your system to crackers wide and far20:59
Juestoyes ovbiously i'll pm the password20:59
Juestoit's password protected20:59
DocScrutinizer05plus I have no idea what this whole thing is all about20:59
Juestoand thats why it has another port20:59
Juestoand its just a vm20:59
Juestovmware has vnc capacity20:59
Juestosorry for being vague :/21:00
DocScrutinizer05please ping the experts about it. I got no clue21:00
DocScrutinizer05I'm just throwing around a few generic rants and LOLs21:00
Juestoyou seem to have a certain clue ;)21:01
DocScrutinizer05ps aux | grep dsme21:01
DocScrutinizer05start dsme21:01
DocScrutinizer05check the dsme init/event files21:02
DocScrutinizer05  don't know if they exist in this or another form on your system. AIUI you try to move from upstart to sth else21:02
DocScrutinizer05the simple advice is: make sure dsme is running before you try to make alarmd running21:04
DocScrutinizer05sorry afk21:05
DocScrutinizer05again: check;; ps aux|grep dsme; start dsme;21:06
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DocScrutinizer05and ask Pali and/or freemangordon21:07
DocScrutinizer05I lost track what you're actually doing21:07
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Juestoand they're both afk iirc, DocScrutinizer0521:08
DocScrutinizer05so am I, sorry21:08
* Juesto sighs21:15
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Wizzupfreemangordon: poke21:31
WizzupI'm about to create a 'group' on (we have to host the repos there to (auto) build)21:32
WizzupWondering about the name21:32
Wizzup'maemo' or 'freemantle' or ?21:32
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WizzupKotCzarny: ^^^21:35
WizzupI guess 'maemo' is not a proper name21:36
Wizzupmaybe 'fremantle' is OK21:37
WizzupJuesto: got notes?21:40
JuestoWizzup: i guess....?21:41
JuestoWizzup: linked them already :|21:41
Juestoand posted on tmo21:41
Juestoand advanced a little bit more but now stuck terribly21:41
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: maemo is trademark-protected, owned by HiFo or whatever the new entity is called. Fremantle is maemo5 specific and afaik free21:42
DocScrutinizer05considering that even same device (N8x0) seen TWO codename releases (Csomething and Diablo) maybe fremantle is a tad narrow when you want to port to other devices?21:43
DocScrutinizer05how about maemo521:44
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: I used 'fremantle'21:44
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if fremantle really meets the piurpose/content, when in fact you want to change a lot of core system services even up to initsystem21:47
DocScrutinizer05when otoh the purpose is to port fremantle as verbatim as possible to devuan, fremantle is prolly the right name21:48
KotCzarnyhmm, frEEmantle?  ;)21:48
WizzupI thought freemantle already meant something21:50
KotCzarnywizzup, is fremantle trademarked by m$ ?21:50
Wizzupthat's why I didn't do it21:50
DocScrutinizer05freemantgle meant "I'm a moron"21:50
DocScrutinizer05aka looser [SIC]21:51
KotCzarnyand isnt maemo trademark transferred to maemo community?21:51
KotCzarnywhile fremantle isnt?21:51
DocScrutinizer05thanks anyway for adding precision to what I already stated21:56
Juestooh well21:57
JuestoWizzup: can help a bit with repos or its up to fmg and pal i ?21:57
Juestoi mean, im having a bit of issues :(21:58
* Juesto feels retarded21:58
PaliKotCzarny: fremantle is name of wind21:58
Wizzupwhat repos21:58
KotCzarnypali: i know21:58
DocScrutinizer05like all Nokia Maemo codenames21:59
DocScrutinizer05Chinook, now I recall21:59
JuestoPali: hey there, so you cant connect to vnc now? :(22:02
Palisorry, but I do not have time22:03
PaliI'm not vnc support person22:03
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WizzupJuesto: I am building the packages as we speak22:07
WizzupI am hope that I can push some of this to automated devuan builds22:07
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Wizzupbut I don't want to abort now to help you debug something I am also doing22:08
Juestowhat are you building exactly Wizzup ?22:08
Wizzupand everything that it needs22:09
Wizzupfreemangordon: from what debian/ubuntu did you try to build clutter (and others)22:15
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Juestoyes jessie dvuan22:20
JuestoWizzup: i am having issues with some things from there22:20
WizzupJuesto: did you manage to compile clutter22:23
NeKitisn't clutter present in Devuan already?22:25
Juestoi did packaging thing22:25
Juestoi was able to pack and install almost everything Wizzup22:25
Wizzupwell, maybe I can just take clutter-1.022:31
Wizzuplet me try then22:31
WizzupJuesto: so what clutter did you install?22:34
WizzupJuesto: I can't help if you don't say what issues you run into :)22:35
WizzupJuesto: jessie only has libclutter-1.022:35
Juestoi installed devuan jessie clutter22:36
WizzupThat is libclutter-1.0?22:36
Wizzuplibmatchbox2 seems to want clutter 0.8 specifically.22:36
WizzupWhich, I think, is not in debian.22:36
JuestoWizzup: I have working libmatchbox222:38
WizzupJuesto: ok, but where did you get clutter 0.8 from22:41
Juestoim on devuan jessie22:41
Juestoand i was able to build libmatchbox222:41
WizzupI am also on jessie.22:41
Wizzuplibmatchbox requires clutter-0.8 as package. Are you using dpkg-buildpackage? Or just automake+make22:42
WizzupJuesto: /usr/bin/install: will not overwrite just-created ‘/home/merlijn/fremantle/clutter_0_8/debian/tmp//usr/include/clutter-0.8/clutter/clutter-version.h’ with ‘clutter-version.h’22:44
Wizzupyou didn't get that?22:44
Juestonot sure22:46
Juestoit just builds correctly Wizzup22:48
WizzupJuesto: are you building or the one from community-cssu22:48
Juestothe former22:48
Juestonot the cssu22:48
Wizzupso, when I try to build that, I get this:22:49
JuestoWizzup: all the packages i cloned are from fremantle-gtk222:49
Wizzup dpkg-source --before-build libmatchbox222:49
Wizzupdpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libclutter-0.8-dev (>> 0.8.2-0maemo56)22:49
Wizzupso libclutter-0.8-dev needs to be installed22:49
Wizzupso then I am trying to build
WizzupJuesto: I mostly want to know, did you build this ^^^\22:50
Wizzupor did you just pull it from some maemo repos22:51
JuestoWizzup: no, i did not do anything with that22:51
Wizzupthat=repo I linked?22:51
WizzupJuesto: so where did you get clutter-0.8 from22:51
Juestoi do not have any clutter 0.822:51
Juestoi just can compile22:51
Juestowanna review it yourself?22:51
WizzupI don't want to log in22:51
Juestowhat do you mean22:52
WizzupHow do you build libmatchbox without clutter-0.822:52
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WizzupJuesto: I mean, did you take notes?22:52
JuestoYes but not fully22:53
WizzupJuesto: so what I am trying to do, to make it clear:22:53
WizzupI am trying to take all the relevant repos, see what needs to be fixed up in the debian/ directories, upload them here:
JuestoWhat i did is: clone fremantle-gtk2 and then start buildpackage22:54
Juestoonly that22:54
Juestoand i have about 90% done22:54
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WizzupJuesto: did you keep the nokia/maemo repos added?22:54
WizzupMaybe it just pulled clutter from there22:54
Wizzupto be honest I think we should use clutter 1.0 regardless22:55
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Juestoi do not have any nokia maemo repos22:55
Wizzup> Installed l10n noarch deps from fremantle-ssu-mr0 nokia maemo repo mirror (thanks freemangordon)22:55
Wizzupso that's ... installed how?22:55
JuestoNOT via apt22:55
Juestothe debs22:55
Wizzupso dpkg -i22:55
Juestoa set of them22:55
Juestonot all the l10n22:56
WizzupI'll go for a simple package first, and get it automatically builtr22:56
infobotWizzup meant: I'll go for a simple package first, and get it automatically built22:56
Juestoi got quite a few of simple packages built already :)22:57
* Juesto shrugs22:59
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Juestoone more thing Wizzup, you have to build the gtk2 branch if its available23:34
Juestothats the case with libmatchbox223:34
Juestoyes, i switched to upstream-gtk223:35
Juestoforgot to mention23:35
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