IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-01-31

buZzhi Juesto00:00
Juestostill trying to get it working lol00:01
buZzgetting gentoo running on n900?00:03
JuestobuZz: maemo on devuan i38600:03
Juestodont have a n90000:03
buZzah :D nice!00:04
Juestostill struggling with the build and install00:11
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DocScrutinizer05does chromium 'private / incognito mode' care less about broken SSL certs than normal mode?00:16
JuestoDocScrutinizer05: it treats them the same way as normal mode00:18
DocScrutinizer05It's driving me nuts all my browsers refuse to flawlessly open my own LAN's router's WEB interface00:19
DocScrutinizer05"cert broken here!" "cert flawed there!" STFU stupid browsers!00:19
buZzDocScrutinizer05: your router's SSL uses HSTS?00:20
buZzif not, you can just click past the warning00:20
DocScrutinizer05never heard of00:20
DocScrutinizer05I do not want to 'click past the warning' every other day00:20
buZzoh ok00:21
buZzreplace the cert then :P00:21
JuestoDocScrutinizer05: incognito works the same in chrome and chromium, the only things it does is that it doesnt save history and downloads history and such00:21
DocScrutinizer05I did, the new one is flawed as well00:21
DocScrutinizer05it's self signed which already seems too much for chromium00:21
JuestoDocScrutinizer05: add an exception00:22
Juestohold on00:22
Juesto DocScrutinizer0500:23
LjLDocScrutinizer05, are you sure it doesn't just disable certain checks that are only done in non-incognito mode by telling google's server which sites you're visiting, or hashes that could be reversed00:24
Juestoactually, thats something chrome used to have00:24
DocScrutinizer05LjL: no idea, I have no notion about that00:26
JuestoDocScrutinizer05: use firefox or another browser that lets you add an certificate exception00:26
LjLDocScrutinizer05, well, Chrome does that sort of thing, and perhaps so does Chromium, unless you disable it00:26
Juestoactually, in chromium you can click advanced and continue00:26
DocScrutinizer05FF or other browsers don't work with the crap the router offers as web-UI00:26
DocScrutinizer05((in chromium you can click advanced and continue)) which is wjhat I have to do every other day00:27
Juestotry to get the certificate and import it in https/ssl manage certificates DocScrutinizer0500:27
Juestoi cant even find how to gather the certificate00:28
DocScrutinizer05I did, I never managed to see a "Place all certificates in the following store"00:28
Juestoyou export it00:28
DocScrutinizer05I did00:29
Juestosee the page i linked00:29
Juestothats old chrome, new chrome location is manage certificates under https/ssl00:29
DocScrutinizer05I also did that00:29
DocScrutinizer05I did, I never managed to see a "Place all certificates in the following store"00:29
Juestouse windows certificate importer?00:30
Juestoi mean, just import each ?00:30
Juestoor you can select multiple files00:30
Juestohow many certificates are you handling ?00:31
DocScrutinizer05huh? one00:32
Juestowhy you want a "place all certificates in the following store" then ?00:33
Juestojust import it00:33
DocScrutinizer05and it shows up under "cert authorities" in "manage certificates" after import, and it's marked "not trusted" and I can't change that even when I say "trust for all three options"00:33
DocScrutinizer05(why you want)) because the site you linked to says I need to00:33
Juestothe linked page is actually for a older chrom* and for windows00:34
Juestoi guess00:34
Juestothing is that chrom uses the OS certificate manager00:34
DocScrutinizer05>>On the "Certificate Store" screen of the import, choose "Place all certificates in the following store" and browse for "Trusted Root Certification Authorities." Restart Chrome.<< OOHHH, maybe the last 2 words do the trick00:34
Juesto^^ That's for windows and a older version of chrome DocScrutinizer0500:35
Juestoyes find a way to place it in the trusted area of your os certificates storage00:36
Juestoapologies for the mess00:36
DocScrutinizer05hmmmmm, didn't nag when restarting. Excellent00:36
Juestogood to hear its solved00:37
DocScrutinizer05restart did the trick! FRIGGIN STUPID browser!!! cert trusted now00:38
Juestolawl :D00:38
Juestolol, >japanese goverment<00:39
DocScrutinizer05thanks a lot!00:39
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Juestow00t im having less issues building and installing fremantle-gtk2 i386 packages00:41
Juestofreemangordon: missing configure for hildon00:43
Juestookay, im stuck00:48
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DocScrutinizer05or /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/{home.plugins|notifications.db} ?01:30
DocScrutinizer05or /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon/*01:32
Juestowhat are you talking about01:32
DocScrutinizer05about missing config for hildon01:34
DocScrutinizer05like /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/%gconf.xml01:34
DocScrutinizer05 /var/lib/gconf/apps/hildon/%gconf.xml01:34
DocScrutinizer05 /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/%gconf.xml01:37
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DocScrutinizer05gconftool -R /|grep hildon|wc -l01:40
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Juestowelp, what i should remove if i want sound without pulseaudio?01:43
Juestowithout breaking applications01:44
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DocScrutinizer05  ?02:07
DocScrutinizer05lol, no  >> Yep, you can forget about this method now either. Removing pulseaudio in ubuntu 12.04 now removes the package ubuntu-desktop so if you try this you're effectively done with ubuntu.<<02:14
DocScrutinizer05>>It must be said the ubuntu devs are very good in enforcing the use of crap packages.<<02:15
Juestometapackages can remain uninstalled02:18
Juestowithout uninstalling anything else02:18
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* Maxdamantus installed pulseaudio on his gentoo system to experiment with bluetooth audio (apparently bluez no longer supports alsa)02:43
MaxdamantusNothing really seems to use it atm.02:44
Maxdamantusthough I had to set some configuration option somewhere so it wouldn't start the PA daemon when something tried to.02:44
MaxdamantusPresumably if you have that set and you're not starting the daemon somewhere else, it shouldn't be used.02:45
Maxdamantus$ cat ~/.config/pulse/client.conf02:46
Maxdamantusautospawn = no02:46
Maxdamantusthough practically, this is all fairly irrelevant for maemo: everything seems to be fairly tightly integrated with PA there.02:47
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Juestoi should keep PA installed but tune it in a different way perhaps02:52
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Juestoshould i configure it to work system-wide instead of a per-use basis?03:12
DocScrutinizer05nfc, I never bothered to learn about PA, particularly since I didn't find any good docs either03:17
DocScrutinizer05I mean, looks pretty pathetic03:36
DocScrutinizer05 isn't much better, also seems obsolete03:37
DocScrutinizer05clearly poettering03:38
DocScrutinizer05you know03:40
infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering:, or, or see ~systemd cabal03:40
Juestodefinitely not the proximity tech03:51
DocScrutinizer05~wtf nfc03:51
infobotNFC: no fucking clue03:51
Juestowho coded infobot?03:52
DocScrutinizer05btw here's maybe why systemd has journald  >> Maybe we can just add rate-limiting to the interfaces that add messages to the kernel buffers, and work around this problem that way instead while waiting for Gregs fix to percolate? Or are the systemd debug messages going to so many other places too that that wouldn't really help?<<  (from
infobotTimRiker is my owner03:52
Juestoah riker03:52
infobotauthor is probably root03:52
Juestoyeah just noticed in the whois03:52
DocScrutinizer05~+help wtf03:53
infobot   Desc: Interface to the BSD wtf command03:53
infobot  Usage: wtf <abbreviation>03:53
infobotExample: wtf iirc03:53
Juestoyeah i already saw the pm03:53
DocScrutinizer05infobot is awesome03:54
DocScrutinizer05and meanwhile adult03:55
DocScrutinizer05aka >18 yeras old03:55
DocScrutinizer05ooh, not really, only 17y 24w 4d03:56
DocScrutinizer05or that was the day she got her ID card ;-)03:56
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DocScrutinizer05ok, 22yo.
Juestomy bday is on 26 march 9404:25
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Juestocan maemo work without PA?04:54
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DocScrutinizer05not really, when you count telephony as maemo core component06:51
DocScrutinizer05when anything sound related (from touchscreen clicks to headset detection to volume control to mafw) in maemo doesn't matter, I guess (the rest of) maemo doesn't care if PA is available or not07:04
Juestoi guess like standard linux07:07
Juestoim stuck :(07:07
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Juestoidk, im still stuck08:29
Juestoand i cant sleep08:29
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DocScrutinizer05what type of answer do you expect to "I'm stuck"?08:33
Juestoi don't know08:39
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KotCzarnysecurity holes, ahoy!09:25
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JuestoWizzup: hey there13:53
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WizzupJuesto: hi!14:00
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JuestoWizzup: so im doing that thing, im currently stuck :)14:08
Juestomameo i386 on devuan14:08
WizzupJuesto: I am working on it, and tomorrow I am hopefully working with parazyd from devuan on getting an devuan image ready14:08
Juestodid a documentation14:08
Juestoah nice14:08
Wizzupplease do link documentatie14:08
Wizzupdocumentation* even14:08
Juestoits more like a log actually14:09
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Juestoa bit vague14:18
Juestobut well, its a progress thing14:18
Juestoim not really a note-taking person14:18
Wizzupack ; thanks14:19
Wizzupparazyd: ^ might be useful later on14:19
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parazydindeed, thanks14:20
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Juestoare my efforts a bit useless/pointless?14:24
Juestoi wonder14:24
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WizzupI don't think so. but dont burn out on it :)14:36
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Juestoanyway, thats the further i've reached... :P some rule fixing and dependency things should allow me to continue Wizzup14:49
Juestodo not worry, i am fine working on it, i have nothing to do lol :)14:50
Juestonothing else to do*14:53
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TheKiton Allwinner tablet, does Mali driver provide nodes in /dev/dri/*15:19
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Siceloanyone knows if this still applies:
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Siceloi see ... that's for the 'older' widget17:51
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KotCzarnyhah, submitted oscp to maemo coding regatta18:07
KotCzarnyeven if i won't win anything, maybe i'll get one or two new users18:08
bencohooh, last day18:08
bencohwell, I guess I'll never submit my tiny player then :)18:08
KotCzarnyblack horse of the sumisssions :P18:08
KotCzarnybencoh: you can still do it ;)18:09
bencohnot really no18:09
KotCzarnyin the beginners maybe?18:09
bencohthat wouldn't be fair :)18:09
KotCzarnyfor you or for the others? ;)18:10
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freemangordonJuesto: where are you stuck?18:25
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bencohSicelo: hmm, I wonder which theme justmemory is using, btw19:00
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Juestofreemangordon: i linked the report i made above20:08
Juestosorry for the late answer20:08
Juestoi hate myself20:09
freemangordonJuesto: osso-af-utils and osso-core-config should be availabe from maemo repos20:12
freemangordonI'll put them on github when I get a little bit better, I cought some cold :(20:12
freemangordonnot sure20:12
Juestoi've downloaded all the noarch debs :p20:12
Juestoremember it has to be i386 if arch specific :)20:13
JuestoOuch, sorry to hear20:13
freemangordonwell, it happens, dunno about your place but it was -15 - -20 here till yesterday :)20:14
freemangordonand even colder on some places20:14
JuestoYeah, here its summer20:14
freemangordonactually it was colder in a city ~150 km from where I am than on North Pole about 2 weeks ago :D20:15
Juestolol, osso-af-startup is available in noarch form20:15
freemangordonthose are just some scripts20:15
bencohfreemangordon: were you actually around the north pole 2 weeks ago?20:16
freemangordonwell, "just" is not exactly correct, the are important20:16
freemangordonbencoh: no, I was still in Sofia20:16
Juestoutils not available20:16
freemangordonJuesto: they should be buildable by the source from maemo20:16
Juestobut osso-core-config is20:16
JuestoWelp, osso-core-config conflicts with busybox20:18
freemangordonJuesto: ah, I remember now20:19
freemangordonit is not busybox in general, but the version of busybox in devuan20:19
Juestoanyways freemangordon what i should do? since apparently Wiz and parazy are working on the devuan thing20:20
freemangordonit needs debian/control file fixed20:20
JuestoShould i switch to debian repositories?20:20
freemangordonit is the same for debian busybox20:20
freemangordonit has maemo version as dependency, which is deprecated long ago20:21
freemangordonjust fix debian/control and build it20:21
* freemangordon is going afk20:21
Juestoanways, feel free to connect via vnc to my vm, pm for details20:27
Juestoit sucks when people coincidentally reply when i all asleep :(20:32
APicEpic Fail.20:33
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DocScrutinizer05michael_a380: (search terms) Repair service & chip soldering:
aspergerguyHi there, got link from WiKi, not using Proxy but user aspergerguy now elicits Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. when trying to access talk.maemo.org20:55
DocScrutinizer05>>Notebook, Laptop und Netbook Reparatur (alle Schadensarten)<<20:56
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DocScrutinizer05aspergerguy: please ping chem|st in here, and/or send a email to techstaff@maemo . org - or don't use Tor (if you do. Yes this sucks, tmo should allow reading even from Tor) resp try another IP if you have an option20:58
Juestoseems VPN are blocked?20:58
DocScrutinizer05possibly too. the forum software using some public generic blacklists, we have no control which IP (ranges) end up on those20:59
DocScrutinizer05when a VPN IP range is tagged as spammer sufficiently frequent, it for sure will end on those blacklists21:00
aspergerguyThanks, seems just one of those things so won't be communicating upon TMO for a while!21:01
DocScrutinizer05please send a mail, so the issue can get fixed21:05
DocScrutinizer05afaik tmo has a whitelist to override the public blacklists21:06
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if tmo might want to learn SASL21:06
DocScrutinizer05no idea how that would look in practice, but at least for (freenode) IRC it seems to work21:08
aspergerguycheers will send email to tech staff, signing out21:08
DocScrutinizer05enjoy yourself21:08
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