IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2017-01-30

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* Juesto for council 2040 !02:18
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Juestoanyone  around?02:35
Maxdamantus*tumbleweed passes*02:36
JuestoShould i gather all the noarch maemo packages from n900 repo?02:38
Michael_a380Is replacing N9 'sim card reader' more difficult than 'LG / Samsumg youtube videos' ?03:00
Michael_a380*more difficult than what videos make it out to be?03:01
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, "oh ey! eeew!" is a valid replacement for "OK Google"04:51
* DocScrutinizer05 starts to understand why arbitrary TV sound starts that google search shit04:52
Juestofunny google eh04:53
DocScrutinizer05Michael_a380: define 'sim card reader'04:55
Juestowelp, my computer began having stuck processes04:55
Juesto6 days uptime04:55
Juestomy netbok is still alive04:55
DocScrutinizer05stuck processes?04:55
DocScrutinizer05what's "stuck"?04:55
Juestokill is useless04:55
JuestoDocScrutinizer05: please use Wiktionary04:56
DocScrutinizer05kill -9 should work almost always04:56
Juestowindows also04:56
Juestoand theres no kill -9... iirc04:56
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DocScrutinizer05no idea, except "ask sysinternals"04:57
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JuestoWell, no dice with pskill04:57
Juestothe kill action succeeds but the process doesnt die04:58
Juestoand for worse, i have one svchost.exe stuck04:58
Michael_a380Those naughty  metal pins that break.
Juestoost dns client, NLA and workstation04:58
Juestoaka samba client04:58
Juestofunny, i can still kills the process handles04:59
Juestobut not the threads04:59
Juestoits just stuck04:59
Juestotrying to attach a debugger fails04:59
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DocScrutinizer05sounds like what's known to linux as a zombie process05:03
Juestoi guess05:04
Juestozombie process dont get killed?05:04
DocScrutinizer05...which - after years of oblivion - git re-introduced by systemd lately. Together with break of all system monitor meter values after a few dozen minutes of running ksysguard05:06
DocScrutinizer05Juesto: nope, they are already dead, that's why they are called zombies. Just the scheduler/kernel can't remove them from process table since they still wait for their SIGCHILD signal getting handled by their parent process05:07
DocScrutinizer05or somesuch05:07
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DocScrutinizer05pre-systemd PID1 inherited zombies and instantly killed / removed them completely. PID1==systemd fails pretty much on that05:08
Juestohow i can even close the handles normally?05:10
Juestothe most weird part is that theres an unknown SID in security info of the process05:10
DocScrutinizer05and with system metering I tend to blame systemd of remounting /proc or something like that05:10
MaxdamantusJuesto: a zombie process is a process that hasn't been wait(2)ed on.05:11
MaxdamantusJuesto: so the parent doesn't necessarily know that it's exited.05:11
Juestoits taking away permissions from administrators and this account shows up with full permissions: Account Unknown(S-1-5-5-0-234896922)05:11
Juestoand that sid is absolutely non existant05:12
DocScrutinizer05now THAT sounds rogue - though really NFC about windows here05:12
MaxdamantusJuesto: the mechanism is basically there because you can't just poll a pid to see if your child is still running, since pids are reused.05:12
MaxdamantusYou instead have to keep the pid around until the parent knows it's dead, via some wait(2) call.05:13
Juestoits simply stuck05:13
DocScrutinizer05maybe you should start into a known-clean windows (from a CD or somesuch) and run a rootkit/virus scanner05:13
Juestoi could indefinitely kill the process and it wont go away05:13
Maxdamantusif you have zombies, it might indicate that the parent process is broken.05:14
Maxdamantuswait, you're talking about zombies in Windows? nvm, I don't know anything about those.05:14
Juestoseems just a restart will solve this05:14
Juestobecause new processes arent really affected05:15
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Juestoi guess i should check it more05:15
Juestoi did clean up the computer05:15
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Michael_a380After this guy worked on his N9, would it be highly likely that cellular woud be working?
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Michael_a330DocScrutinizer05: I was refering to this
DocScrutinizer05and what's your question?06:59
DocScrutinizer05what that guy does in that video doesn't look professional or savvy07:03
Michael_a330A bit subjective. Is it difficult to install? I don't see any threads about it on TMO. Could success rate be low?07:05
Michael_a330When lining it up, would half a millimeter make any difference?07:06
DocScrutinizer05but in theory there are chances he'll succeed in the end... unless he used up all the (I think missing anyway) flux on the solder points and oxidized the solder by 4 dozen exposures of molten solder to plain air. Or he fired components on bottom side of PCB where he heats up stuiff with the hot air. Or the defect is caused by something totally unrelated to that SIM holder. Or don't know what07:06
Michael_a330hmm. Thanks very much  :-)07:08
DocScrutinizer05if the solder was good and a premium class flux applied, and reflow done right, the sim holder should get pulled into position by the surface tension of molten solder07:08
DocScrutinizer05pushing it around a 5 dozen times for sure is not a smart thing to do07:09
Michael_a330Scraches the contacts?07:09
DocScrutinizer05no, it exposes solder to air07:09
DocScrutinizer05it's at best totally pointless07:09
DocScrutinizer05worst case oxidized solder07:10
Juestosomehow my settings were nulled07:10
Juestoof different programs i use07:10
DocScrutinizer05and you know, oxidized solder doesn't make any good solder joints07:11
Michael_a330Thanks, will tell this to my uncle (some soldering experience) & see if he's upto it (repair 16gb & 64gb).07:11
DocScrutinizer05to someone experienced in SMT rework, replacing the SIM card holder should be a pretty easy job, with a 100% success rate07:12
Juestouh, sim or sd?07:12
DocScrutinizer05the holders don't differ much07:13
Michael_a330All the "phone repair shops" say 'no' or offer to be a middle man. Any keywords I should try when looking for a business?07:15
Michael_a330oh good. SMT = Surface Mount Soldering07:17
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KotCzarnywho is responsible for ?09:13
KotCzarny  says Old version cleaned by repository management09:13
KotCzarnybut still shows that package version in repo09:13
KotCzarnyso, could repo maintainer look into the problem of not cleaning old pkg versions?09:14
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Juestohey there09:31
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freemangordonKotCzarny: what is the problem?10:04
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bencohhmm, looks like some people are really having a go at porting stuff to droid411:49
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enycbencoh: coo didn't know that exsisted!11:55
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NeKitit's probably the best specifications device you can still find in QWERTY-slider form factor12:06
bencohapart from the closed bootloader, yes.12:08
bencohif only motorola (google) included it in their unlock campaign it would be the de-facto alternative12:09
jonwilBased on the Droid name, its safe to assume this phone is a Verizon Wireless phone and Verizon are notorious for locking down the software on their phones.12:11
NeKitwell, as long as there are hacks to run custom kernel it's better than nothing12:12
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KotCzarnyfreemangordon: old packages are not removed, even if removal is triggered, and if i see it on my package and have dozen of old files, what about repo as a whole neeedlessly consuming resources13:01
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buZzi just convinced a #reprap user to make me a model of the N90015:45
buZz:P his skill is bigger than mine in modelling, lets hope his model is perfect first try ;)15:45
NeKitwhat do you plan to use it for?15:51
buZzi want to make nicer deskstands for N90016:05
buZzmore like a 'dock'16:05
buZzimho, all the stuff you find on and other 'physibles' websites, are total shit16:06
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Vajbbencoh: KotCzarny: did u eventually found solution for unlock playback clipping?16:24
Vajbim having different kind of problem now, which might or might not be related. I have panucci clipping sound every now and then even if my phone just plays audio in my pocket through headphones16:25
bencohVajb: not sure you actually mean "clipping"16:27
bencohVajb: stuttering?16:27
bencohand no, adding player to mediasrc didn't really fix the issue in the end16:28
bencohmaybe you have both to be in this group and call libplayback (?)16:29
Vajbumm hard to explain. It plays and then i hear loud pop16:29
bencohwell actually you can always try adding the relevant rule for mplayer since mplayer already calls libplayback16:29
KotCzarnybencoh, mediasrc helps, but i suspect something resets settings16:29
Vajbit might be bad quality file too16:30
bencohKotCzarny: I suspect restarting ohmd helps16:30
KotCzarnybencoh, yes, but its not the solution16:30
bencohof course it is not16:30
Vajbhehe do we need alarmed restaring something by minute to fix that..16:31
bencohno, since mafw works properly ;)16:31
KotCzarnyvajb: some formats are based on floating numbers, and decoders might not normalize them properly16:31
bencohso maybe mafw does call that libplayback as well16:31
Vajbthis is mp316:31
KotCzarnybencoh, so, similar problem as 'keep the buttons alive'?16:31
KotCzarnyie. poll something to not let the audio system get reset?16:32
KotCzarnywould be nice to have a dbus log when tweak stops working16:32
bencohKotCzarny: not necessarily, but dunno16:32
bencohwell I couldn't catch any call to mce regarding volume buttons16:33
bencohso, dunno16:33
bencoh(using mdbus, I mean)16:33
KotCzarnythat skipping is cpu related16:34
bencohI dont think so16:38
bencoherr, which one are you talking about?16:38
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DocScrutinizer05mce, vol buttons? hmm?18:58
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DocScrutinizer05((It plays and then i hear loud pop)) doesn't sound [sic] like stuttering either, are you sure it's not a system sound for e.g. ts click event?19:22
DocScrutinizer05stuttering is basically always dropout that doesn't involve loud pops except for the sharp high frequency edge when the sine wave drops to 0 and when it returns to its nominal level19:24
DocScrutinizer05very fast stuttering is perceived as buzz19:24
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VajbDocScrutinizer05: yes im sure, because device is set to silent mode. I think it was bad quality file or some ripping error.19:30
DocScrutinizer05those would be reproducible19:31
DocScrutinizer05I.E listen same song a 2nd time, check if pop is on same time19:31
DocScrutinizer05silent mode only results in the expected behavior when both the audio policy enforced and the apps using that policy/group/whatever behave as specified19:33
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DocScrutinizer05when you use arbitrary apps they might not obey silent mode. When you set or define new modes, or tweak mode settings of existing modes aka policies, you might find "silent mode" doesn't behave like silent mode anymore. When an app enforces a new policy, you might *think* you have silentmode set but actually device is already in a different mode19:34
buZzDocScrutinizer05: i am inperceivable19:47
DocScrutinizer05oh, that took me to decode :-D20:24
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Juestohey there23:52
buZzDocScrutinizer05: nonfarfetched humor is less amusing to me :)23:57

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