IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2017-01-26

freemangordonmaemo is using upstart already00:00
freemangordonAND sys4init00:00
freemangordonbut, those are used in such a hacky way... - or example, lots of things are started by both upstart and sysvinit and they check if they were already started00:01
freemangordonso, the task of moving from /etc/event.d to /etc/init is not a whole new init system00:02
DocScrutinizer51when porting init scripts is trivial then why do you need a new init system instead porting NEW apps to the plain sysv init that maemo is to all apps?00:02
freemangordonno, maemo is not plain sysv00:02
DocScrutinizer51it evidently is, from a app perspective00:03
freemangordonmaemo is more upstart than sysv00:03
freemangordonjust take a look in /etc/event.d00:03
DocScrutinizer51even my fucking systemd PC still has 80 percent plain sysv init scripts00:04
freemangordontoldya, check what is in /etc/event.d00:04
DocScrutinizer51I guess I had more looks to /etc than you, on maemo00:04
freemangordonwhat is your point then?00:05
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DocScrutinizer51I *know* what's in there00:05
freemangordoncool, then don;t say maemo init is sysv00:05
freemangordonbecause it is not00:05
DocScrutinizer51and upstart as well as systemd have a sysv compatibility layer, and I don't see a single reason why maemo NEEDS a new init system00:06
freemangordonI didn;t say maemo needs new init system, what I said is that maemo startup scripts have to be ported to some of the exeisting upstream init systems00:07
DocScrutinizer51dafaq, read me!!! I *NEVER* said 'maemo is sysv init"00:07
freemangordon" the plain sysv init that maemo is..."00:07
freemangordonunless I misunderstand what you said00:08
DocScrutinizer51partial quating == abyssmally lame00:08
freemangordoncomeon, it is 10 lines ^^^. anyway.00:08
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DocScrutinizer51"... I misunderstand..."00:08
DocScrutinizer51yes you do00:09
freemangordoncould be00:09
DocScrutinizer51you're quoting me partial to change meaning of my words00:09
DocScrutinizer51ls /etc/init.d/*00:12
DocScrutinizer51this works on maemo, old age systems, even ubuntu and opensuse00:18
DocScrutinizer51so why do you think maemo acripts need porting?00:19
DocScrutinizer51or maemo needs a "new init system' except for obscure upstream compatibility for NEW apps that are ported from upstream00:23
DocScrutinizer51or WHY maemo needs...00:24
freemangordonmaemo sysvinit scripts are missing LSB headers, upstart scripts need startup dependencies changed00:28
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Sicelocouple of things in this chan have left me surprised .. DocScrutinizer51 and Pali have systemd on their machines? :P00:39
sixwheeledbeastWell it's a bit difficult not to, hence the arguments over init freedom. You could also have systemd on the machine but not use it for init.00:43
sixwheeledbeastDevuan is still in beta too00:50
DocScrutinizer51Sicelo: (systemd) just because I hate switching from suse after almost 20 years even more than systemd crap00:53
Sicelois it your init system? or you setup something else?00:55
Siceloi have systemd too since 2 or 3 months ago, when i decided to used Debian Sid00:55
DocScrutinizer51Sicelo: it's init system atm, and I *hate* it01:05
DocScrutinizer51at least nobody can blame me for hating without knowing01:06
DocScrutinizer51Sicelo: move to devuan?!01:07
infobotwell, devuan is the most awesome distro, or https://devuan.org01:07
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DocScrutinizer51sixwheeledbeast: it's still beta but reported rock solid for servers at least. Desktop stuff is too systemd infested and alternatives just emerging. xfce seems to mostly work01:12
infobot- Uptime for infobot -01:17
infobotNow: 2d 5h 9m 9s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux01:17
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201001:17
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200901:17
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200901:17
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Juestohmm, looks like infobot lost connection instad01:46
Juestoit was down, right?01:46
Juestointeresting distro01:47
JuestoWhich distro would you guys recommend from the BSD family?01:50
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DocScrutinizer51ibot reboots every now and then, but not since 2d 5h01:59
DocScrutinizer51it loses connection on every single netasplit02:01
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pkill9my n900's vibrate function decided to work again08:12
bencohmine stops working from time to time and hitting it on the right spots makes it work back08:13
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buZz:) its just pogopins , the connection of vibration motor, isnt it?11:43
buZzDocScrutinizer05: i love devuan on all my desktops11:43
buZzdont think i'll go back to debian any time soon11:43
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OksanaaHow do I check whether keyboard is open or closed? How do I check whether keyboard sensor works or not?13:30
OksanaaAlso, is it "normal" to see both 1850 root      3844 S    fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 and 1853 root      9572 R    fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1  running on startup before eMMC mounting? Takes time, too, but lack of notification LED can at times lead to unclean shutdown.13:32
OksanaaI just wish I knew for sure that this fsck did clean-up, and that one unclean shut-down will not lead to fsck-at-each-and-every-startup13:34
Oksanaa/me has a feeling that software is worn-out somewhere. Even auto-capitalisation doesn't seem to work properly anymore. Well, it may be just because it thinks that hw kb is closed, while I am typing on it.13:37
Michael_a330When the screen is locked and you unlock by opening the keyboard, is that indication that sensor works?14:04
OksanaaI think so. Anyway, the keyboard silliness passed; probably related to start-up something.14:07
bencohOksanaa: keyboard/slider sensor is connected to a gpio14:14
bencohdmesg will tell you much gpio14:14
OksanaaThank you :-)  will read dmesg, it's lots of lines. Full info since start-up, may be interesting14:17
OksanaaWhatever is  procwrap_detach: deprecated dspbridge ioctl ? And  ***** DSPMMU FAULT ***** IRQStatus 0x2 ? The latter one may need a pastebin, lots of lines.14:22
bencohdspmmu fault usually calls for a reboot14:27
OksanaaWell, had it caused a reboot, it wouldn't be in dmesg output? Unless dmesg remember what happened before start-up14:28
bencohno I mean, I don't think I ever had a working dsp after seeing that message14:28
bencohand eventually had to reboot14:28
OksanaaHmm, how do I see whether dsp works or not? Whatever it is.14:29
bencohalthough restarting dsp from a running linux should work, but iirc something prevented me from restarting the dsp manager server14:29
bencohhardware video acceleration uses DSP14:30
bencoh(might be the only use of the DSP on n900 actually)14:30
buZzi thought DSP on pre-n900 was always used by the builtin mediaplayer for decoding mp314:33
bencohyeah, video/audio, sorry :)14:34
bencoh(both decoding and encoding iirc)14:34
OksanaaWell, I can watch a movie alright. Would it be DSP, or a fallback mechanism after DSP fails?14:35
bencohI'd say dsp, so ... dunno14:41
bencohmaybe it's not exactly the same error I had :)14:41
OksanaaIt just spams dmesg with procwrap_detach: deprecated dspbridge ioctl, but audio and video play fine.14:42
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sixwheeledbeastshift key :facepalm:15:12
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)15:12
sixwheeledbeast~tell LjL about flatbatrecover15:12
sixwheeledbeastI am waiting for stable MATE DE on Devuan before switching from my current distro too.15:14
enycsixwheeledbeast: MATE in devuan seems to just work already15:19
sixwheeledbeastOksana: while true; do cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state; done15:19
sixwheeledbeastI am keeping an eye on #devuan apparently there is one person trying to de-systemdify it15:20
enycsixwheeledbeast: errrrrr devuan is already de-systemd'ed15:21
sixwheeledbeastmost of it works but a handful of packages have dependency issues.15:23
enycsixwheeledbeast: oh interesting it does depend on libsystemd  but odesn't require systemd init running15:23
enycsixwheeledbeast: i can say it doesn't seem to be any pratical issue15:23
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enycsixwheeledbeast: i.e. wouldn't be concerned to 'use' it and help out with fixes r.e. libsystemd15:24
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LjLsixwheeledbeast, thanks. it does say it only works if i have no bootloop, which sadly i do. i cannot really leave it "powered off" at first because it'll start booting as soon as i plug in the charger... and then fail to boot, rinse and repeat17:34
LjLmeanwhile, anyway, i got the new battery i ordered from eBay, buZz17:34
LjLi'm not very happy17:34
LjLit seems original alright17:35
buZzbut not so much in quality?17:35
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LjLbut it was bare in an envelope completely unpadded, and i think the plastic top which has the contacts wiggles17:35
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buZzhmhm you already know it would be sent like that, didnt you?17:35
LjLwho the hell puts a bare lithium battery unpadded in an italian posts envelope17:35
LjLthey manage to break packages that are padded with half a meter of polystyrene17:35
LjLbuZz, he said it would be in a "blister", i'm not sure if that word makes sense in english, but i was expecting a small but hard transparent plastic enclosure17:36
LjLplus, at the very least, a bubblewrap-padded envelope17:36
LjLa friend sent me a *phone* in such an envelope and it was undamaged. it was risky, but it sure beats a simple paper envelope17:37
buZzyeah blister would be a hardplastic thingy17:37
LjLin this case it was just a thin film of plastic17:37
LjLi'll take pictures now17:38
buZzi ordered two CP-321 from UK , would also be sent in 'original blister', they arrived just loose in a unpadded envelop with -remainders- of original packaging stuffed in as extra17:38
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LjLbuZz, are you sure it said "in" and not just "with" :P17:50
buZzin the envelope, yes17:51
buZznot with17:51
buZzwell, lets see17:51
LjLi took a video instead of pictures, uploading to youtube now17:51
buZzNew: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging (where packaging is applicable). Packaging should be the same as what is found in a retail store,17:52
buZzyep, he demands 1.5 GBP to not demolish the packaging17:53
LjLbattery: €7.5017:58
LjLbattery that I have not hit with a hammer before shipping: €7517:58
buZzleft one is the new one?17:59
buZzit looks bulged17:59
LjLbuZz, no, left one is old17:59
LjLi think neither looks bulged17:59
LjLbuZz, and up above the new battery there is the "blister"18:00
buZzthat barcode is different aswell18:00
LjLbuZz, i am commenting in the audio, but it's very faint18:00
buZzi didnt decode it though, just visually18:00
LjLbuZz, is the barcode supposed to be the same for all of them? might encode the serial number for all i know18:01
buZzno clue, lemme check my BL-5J's18:01
LjLanyway the thing that makes me most uneasy right now is the loose top. even if it's counterfeit, well, i'll probably notice from the (lack of) duration. but if the top is loose it might have short circuits inside the protection circuitry or such18:02
LjLit is not *very* loose. it moves just a bit18:03
buZzboth my BL-5J's have nearly the same number underneath, first 8 and last 10 digits are equal18:03
buZzthe barcodes are also different, but not so very different18:04
buZzso it might be the number, yes18:04
LjLbuZz, are they like my old battery?18:04
buZznone have 'further processed' under it18:04
buZzlike the left one18:04
LjLthat "further processed" sure shows a different production batch at least18:05
LjLlike very different18:05
LjLbuZz, are both of yours old?18:05
LjLmaybe Nokia has produced some more recently in a different way18:05
buZzyeah both old-ish18:06
buZzone bulging even :(18:06
LjLbuZz, i'm about to put it in the N900 wish me luck18:09
LjL(assuming it fits, given the top's unevenness)18:09
buZzgood luck!18:09
LjLbuZz, i had to press it down a bit to make it fit, since, as expected, it didn't easily fit inside the compartment given the bad top18:11
LjLbut Maemo is booting...18:11
LjLbuZz, actually no, it's not *booting*. it reaches pretty much the same stage as with the old battery, and then it dies. except with the old battery, it also lost backlighting before dying, so this battery has some more charge in it18:13
LjLbut evidently there's something wrong with my Maemo anyway18:13
LjLmy memory is quite bad and i can't remember but i have a vague recollection of having put a bulk of things, perhaps part of the OS itself if that's even possible, on a microSD card18:13
LjLbut there is no card in the phone now, so if i actually did that, then that would explain the failed boot18:14
LjLbut why would i have removed the card in that case?18:14
buZzmaybe flash from 0?18:14
LjLbuZz, yeah maybe i should but... should i do that before being quite sure that *one* battery will be able to charge?18:14
buZz <- this one was my starting point for my n900 just ..2? weeks ago18:14
LjLalso, i think i had pictures and stuff from my trip to London on the phone. i'm not really sure but i'd like to boot into it and see :(18:15
buZzthe battery wont charge without a booted phone, afaik18:15
buZzah yeah :/18:15
buZzdo you have some DIY li+ charger? you could just connect the battery to that and charge it outside of the phone18:15
LjLthat looks lazy alright18:15
LjLbuZz, no, i don't. that would have been my alternative to buying a new battery, but new battery seemed cheaper and less scary than charging externally18:16
buZzi dont fear any technology and have been messing with electronics since forever :)18:16
LjLanyway i somehow get the feeling that this new battery, whether it's genuine and good or not, does have a deccent amount of charge in it at the moment18:16
buZzdid you try booting with keyboard open?18:17
LjLbuZz, i don't fear technology, i fear chemical fumes :P18:17
buZzon my current n900, that brings up the boot menu18:17
LjLi tried, yeah18:17
LjLi tried booting with "u" pressed18:17
LjLi thought that was what would bring up the boot menu18:17
buZzi tried SO HARD to get a lipo to flame or explode18:17
LjLbut i guess open keyboard was enough18:17
buZzhavent yet :/18:17
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LjLbuZz, so yeah i did get a boot menu before, but i wasn't really sure how to resurrect anything from there18:18
LjLat first it seemed that just dropping into a console let it stay alive for charging18:18
buZzno, me neither18:18
LjLbut then it died anyway18:18
buZzi only own a n900 since this month18:18
buZzno expert ;)18:18
buZzwell i own two now18:18
LjLmaybe i should "start bme" within the console18:18
LjLassuming i can18:18
buZzi believe in you18:19
LjLbuZz, did you buy it as your main phone, as a collector, or what?18:19
buZzno i dont use phones18:19
buZzi just love maemo :)18:19
buZzalready had 770, n800, n81018:20
buZznow i just need the n9-0018:20
LjLi have an N81018:20
buZzand maybe n95018:20
LjLthose are too 'spensive for me18:20
buZzi think i actually like the n810 formfactor better than n900's18:20
LjLi bought both the N810 and the N900 when they were well past their hayday too18:20
LjLthe N810 is ncie18:20
LjLbut its keyboard feels awful18:20
buZzit matches my hands better :)18:21
LjLand its battery management is even more ridiculous than the N900's ;(18:21
LjLwell, it's bigger18:21
buZzbut i've also grown accustom to typing on a 'Zipit Z2'18:21
LjLbut the keys are so stiff and badly tactile18:21
buZzso, dno what i'm complaining about ^_^18:21
LjLhmmm there are a few things i could try from the boot menu18:25
LjLbut possibly not enough time to try them all before the new battery dies too18:25
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LjLbuZz, i can seemingly enter a backup menu that has an option to backup to... USB, perhaps?18:27
LjLwhich would be nice for my data18:27
buZzooo yes!18:27
buZzthe port is OTG , so you could maybe hook something up?18:28
LjLit will backup to "eMMC, myDocs"18:28
* buZz throws USB OTG adapter18:28
* buZz throws a SD card to LjL 18:28
LjLwas myDocs the name for the SD?18:28
LjLi really don't seem to remember much about Maemo18:28
buZzno , mydocs is the FAT partition on eMMC18:29
LjLbuZz, apparently this backupmenu thing also has a thing to make the N900 enter mass storage device mode18:32
LjLso now i'm seeing myDocs from my computer18:32
LjLincluding DCIM, so backup time18:32
buZzi didnt checkout BME properly yet18:32
buZznor the bootmenu18:32
LjLit might also be charging but i dunno, there is no LED no18:32
buZzi dont think it charges before the kernel is booted, really18:33
LjLbuZz, i think *a* kernel must be booted18:33
LjLi don't think this backupmenu is just its own kernel18:33
buZzwell true18:33
buZzit could be, though18:33
LjLit says "BackupMenu 1.2.0 by RobbieThe1st"18:34
LjLso while i don't remember a thing, as mentioned18:34
LjLthis is probably not exactly a built-in Maemo thing18:34
buZzyeah its not :)18:34
buZzah it also talks about udev18:35
buZzso must be a linux kernel18:35
buZzman, i really gotta kill that pedo video nokia put on all their devices18:36
buZzhorrible stuff18:36
LjLbuZz, it's exposing also the 2GB (root?) drive, but only /usr and /opt within it18:39
buZzi guess thats the 'optfs' ? not 100% sure18:40
LjLError while copying18:43
LjLThere is not enough space on the destination "N900"18:43
LjLgj ljl18:43
buZzrm -fr /18:45
buZzremove the french files18:45
buZz(no, dont)18:46
LjLsurely you meant french flies18:46
LjLbut they're more like mosquitoes, really18:46
LjLbzzzzing their silly language all over your ears18:47
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infobotbootloop is, like, when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.19:00
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buZzLjL: no, the joke is 'remove your french files with rm -fr /'19:16
sixwheeledbeastBut what if I want to remove French files from other places than root...19:20
LjLwell now that i have another battery, anyway, i suppose i can flash (i could backup, at least)19:21
LjLbut i still have no clue just what is causing bootloop19:21
LjLand if at all possible, i'd rather fix that than reflash given all the customization i have, which i don't remember about19:21
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buZznot remembering = not missing, isnt it? :D19:27
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LjLbuZz, not really!19:44
LjLis there any way to get a slightly more verbose boot than... a blank screen?19:44
LjLbuZz, oh my god it's booting19:54
LjLi saw a ̣̣̣····· progress bar that wasn't there before19:54
LjLalso the LED is slowly flashing yellow19:55
LjLthat means charging doesn't it?19:55
buZzyes , and the .... bar is 'busy booting'19:55
LjLbuZz, but then it went dark again, it didn't actually boot up to some screen19:57
LjLbut the LED is still doing the slow flashing19:57
LjLshould i leave it there without touching it for a bit?19:57
buZzyes! i had this before aswell19:58
buZzi just left it with orange led until i got bored, and tried powering again, which made it boot all the way19:58
buZzoo good idea, i should try photorec/testdisk on my MyDocs :D19:59
buZzgiev nudes.jpg19:59
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LjLbuZz, it might be a bit dangerous, but during the past few days trying to resurrect my old battery, i encountered a tip to run Maemo "from USB" for a very short time, by stopping bme and then removing the battery20:02
buZzoo fancy20:02
LjLso i *think* it cannot be ruled out that if (assming i can boot the phone eventually)20:03
LjLif i run it from the new battery while connected to USB, then stop bme, then very quickly put the old battery in, and restart bme20:03
LjLthat it would keep going from the old battery, and start charging it20:03
LjLeither it does that, or it explodes, anyway20:03
buZzshould be fine :)20:03
LjLbuZz, i guess it's also possible that the BME, once restarted, would feel extremely perplexed at the fact that the battery is now at 2% when it was at 95% last time it checked, and do a safety shutdown20:09
buZzwow lol, this n900 has >10k .png files on it :D20:09
LjLnot .jpg?20:09
* LjL smells hentai20:09
buZzjust 700 jpg20:09
LjLthose are probably the inappropriate-compressed hentai then20:10
buZzwell thusfar20:10
LjL*sigh* Amazon20:10
WizzupbuZz: let me check for those screens.20:10
LjLi just bought a SODIMM module from you. so don't spam me with ads for SODIMM modules. i don't need *another*20:11
LjLspam me with something, i dunno, something that a person could use together with the SODIMM module they just bought20:11
LjLlike a static discharger bracelet20:11
LjLor a computer. i could use a free computer.20:11
buZzWizzup: i already did!20:11
buZzmeri<tab> will give it to madeddie, realitygaps or anus20:12
buZzand it will travel on interhackerspacemail slowly to me :)20:12
buZzLjL: i bought 1 onesie in november, now its all aliexpress wants to show me :)20:13
WizzupbuZz: yes, except that he thinks that I have them.20:13
WizzupI probably do.20:13
* Wizzup looks at the corner filled with n900 boxes, n900 phones and peripherals20:13
LjLbuZz, i wonder why they think targeted advertising is useful this way20:13
LjLmaybe they don't20:14
LjLmaybe targeted ads are just a big excuse to profile us, and not vice versa20:14
buZzhorrible profile then :P20:14
LjLyeah, i am more photogenic from the front20:14
WizzupbuZz: got at least 120:16
Wizzupit's without ear part though20:16
Wizzupso don't break those20:16
buZzok :)20:17
buZzits mostly just to see the screen clearly on my second n900, its so scratched up :/20:17
realitygapsbuZz: just lemme know when, i dont check my box so often20:17
buZzk k20:19
LjLbut it bootlooped anyway :(20:29
buZzaw :/20:29
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buZzdid you mirror entire MyDocs and the other partition? you might be able to find what you did20:29
LjLbuZz, no, only the MyDocs partition20:30
LjLit booted!20:30
LjLusing the Nokia kernel20:30
LjLinstead of the kernel i had by default20:30
LjLEnter PIN code20:30
LjLdo i know my PIN code20:30
LjLyep, i do20:30
LjLit's not 2009 though20:30
LjLlet's make 2009 great again20:30
LjLnow this T-Mobile SIM is going to welcome me to Italy as usual20:31
LjLwhich is always fun to watch20:32
LjLit reports the battery as containing 1189mAh at most20:33
LjLthat's a bit less than specced20:33
LjLbut not enough to strongly suspect counterfeit, i guess20:33
LjLmaybe just a bit old stock20:33
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LjLhere it is, the SMS! took a while this time20:43
LjLT-Mobile: Welcome to Italy. Calls cost 4.4p/min to make & 1p/min to receive, texts 1.8p. Browse the internet for £3/day for 75MB by buying an internet travel booster. Make sure data roaming is switched on and click for FREE to buy and get more info. Call 112 in case of emergency. Please note that photo messaging is not available in the EU. Call +4495... for Customer Services or if you no longer want to receive these messages when20:45
LjL abroad.20:45
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LjLso... now that i can boot, my boot menu has three entries: "attached kernel 2.6.18-omap1", "kernel-cssu" and "kernel-power"21:08
LjLthe latter two boot, but the first (which is the default) does not21:08
LjLi don't really remember any of this stuff from 2013. directions? :(21:08
LjLwhat am i meant to be using these days21:08
LjLbuZz, battery now at 64%. while i do remember Maemo taking an inordinate amount of battery juice to reboot... i'm not *entirely* sure this is a sign of a top-performing battery21:13
buZzits a bit fast yeah, but you did play with it for 45 minutes just now? :)21:14
LjLbuZz, not really, mainly rebooted and stared at boot screen21:17
LjLupdated software that was waiting to update, too, but there were just like 4 updates21:18
LjLand some failed because the kernel isn't right for them, i suspect21:18
LjLU-Boot wants to update but also doesn't want to update21:22
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buZzah, all png files are maptiles ^_^21:27
bencohLjL: the first kernel is probably not supposed to boot with a cssu rootfs21:33
bencohsince I expect it to be a stock kernel21:33
bencohwhich is incompatible nowadays21:33
bencohyou probably want kernel-power anyway, for all the goodies it brings21:34
LjLbencoh, i see. i don't know why i have it listed as the first bootloader option then...21:34
bencohit being your first choice is not a good idea, yeah :)21:34
bencohyou can change that in some /etc/ file and regenerate uboot menu iirc21:35
LjLbencoh, any clue why this "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" update that the application manager prompt complains it "conflict with 3d party package policy"?21:35
LjLadd -s as needed21:36
bencohno idea, especially since I dont use application manager21:36
bencoh20:30 < LjL> using the Nokia kernel21:37
bencoh20:30 < LjL> instead of the kernel i had by default21:37
bencohwhich one is that?21:37
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LjLbencoh, forget that - i had it the other way around. the nokia kernel (omap1) is the one that does NOT boot21:39
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Siceloi think cssu should still boot fine with that vanilla kernel21:58
Sicelocssu thumb is the one that's incompatible21:59
bencohSicelo: didnt they introduce a dependency at some point?22:02
bencohhmm, you may be right actually22:03
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DocScrutinizer51CSSU *definitely* boots with stock kernel!22:38
DocScrutinizer51cssu thumb is basically an incompatible arch22:38
DocScrutinizer51it needs a thumb enabled kernel and afaik even some userland support22:39
DocScrutinizer51or maybe not the latter22:40
DocScrutinizer51anywau thumb userland crashes hard on stock kernel22:40
DocScrutinizer51but CSSU != thumb22:41
DocScrutinizer51and anybody using *thumb OUGHT be aware of all that22:42
buZzthe doc is in22:44
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buZzdoes anyone have a 3d model the n900 by any chance? :)23:21
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DocScrutinizer51buZz: maybe check neo900 resources scans?23:32
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buZzooo ty ;
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buZztoo bad there isnt a 'fully assembled' model :)23:49
buZzstill nice23:49
LjLDocScrutinizer51, i might be using thumb, and i might certainly have been aware of all that23:57
LjL... in 201323:57
LjLwhen i last used my N90023:57
buZzhappy new maemo LjL23:59

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