| freemangordon | maemo is using upstart already | 00:00 |
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| freemangordon | AND sys4init | 00:00 |
| freemangordon | *sysvinit | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so? | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | but, those are used in such a hacky way... - or example, lots of things are started by both upstart and sysvinit and they check if they were already started | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | so, the task of moving from /etc/event.d to /etc/init is not a whole new init system | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | when porting init scripts is trivial then why do you need a new init system instead porting NEW apps to the plain sysv init that maemo is to all apps? | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | no, maemo is not plain sysv | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it evidently is, from a app perspective | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | maemo is more upstart than sysv | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | just take a look in /etc/event.d | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even my fucking systemd PC still has 80 percent plain sysv init scripts | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | toldya, check what is in /etc/event.d | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess I had more looks to /etc than you, on maemo | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | what is your point then? | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I *know* what's in there | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | cool, then don;t say maemo init is sysv | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | because it is not | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and upstart as well as systemd have a sysv compatibility layer, and I don't see a single reason why maemo NEEDS a new init system | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | I didn;t say maemo needs new init system, what I said is that maemo startup scripts have to be ported to some of the exeisting upstream init systems | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dafaq, read me!!! I *NEVER* said 'maemo is sysv init" | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | "...to the plain sysv init that maemo is..." | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | unless I misunderstand what you said | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | partial quating == abyssmally lame | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | comeon, it is 10 lines ^^^. anyway. | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | "... I misunderstand..." | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes you do | 00:09 |
| freemangordon | could be | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | always | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you're quoting me partial to change meaning of my words | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ls /etc/init.d/* | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this works on maemo, old age systems, even ubuntu and opensuse | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so why do you think maemo acripts need porting? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or maemo needs a "new init system' except for obscure upstream compatibility for NEW apps that are ported from upstream | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or WHY maemo needs... | 00:24 |
| freemangordon | maemo sysvinit scripts are missing LSB headers, upstart scripts need startup dependencies changed | 00:28 |
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| Sicelo | couple of things in this chan have left me surprised .. DocScrutinizer51 and Pali have systemd on their machines? :P | 00:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well it's a bit difficult not to, hence the arguments over init freedom. You could also have systemd on the machine but not use it for init. | 00:43 |
| Sicelo | understandable | 00:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Devuan is still in beta too | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: (systemd) just because I hate switching from suse after almost 20 years even more than systemd crap | 00:53 |
| Sicelo | is it your init system? or you setup something else? | 00:55 |
| Sicelo | i have systemd too since 2 or 3 months ago, when i decided to used Debian Sid | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: it's init system atm, and I *hate* it | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at least nobody can blame me for hating without knowing | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: move to devuan?! | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~devuan | 01:07 |
| infobot | well, devuan is the most awesome distro, or https://devuan.org | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sixwheeledbeast: it's still beta but reported rock solid for servers at least. Desktop stuff is too systemd infested and alternatives just emerging. xfce seems to mostly work | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~*uptime | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~+uptime | 01:17 |
| infobot | - Uptime for infobot - | 01:17 |
| infobot | Now: 2d 5h 9m 9s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux | 01:17 |
| infobot | 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 | 01:17 |
| infobot | 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 | 01:17 |
| infobot | 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 | 01:17 |
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| Juesto | hmm, looks like infobot lost connection instad | 01:46 |
| Juesto | it was down, right? | 01:46 |
| Juesto | interesting distro | 01:47 |
| LjL | ~flatbattrecover | 01:48 |
| Juesto | Which distro would you guys recommend from the BSD family? | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ibot reboots every now and then, but not since 2d 5h | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it loses connection on every single netasplit | 02:01 |
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| pkill9 | my n900's vibrate function decided to work again | 08:12 |
| bencoh | mine stops working from time to time and hitting it on the right spots makes it work back | 08:13 |
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| buZz | :) its just pogopins , the connection of vibration motor, isnt it? | 11:43 |
| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i love devuan on all my desktops | 11:43 |
| buZz | dont think i'll go back to debian any time soon | 11:43 |
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| Oksanaa | How do I check whether keyboard is open or closed? How do I check whether keyboard sensor works or not? | 13:30 |
| Oksanaa | Also, is it "normal" to see both 1850 root 3844 S fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 and 1853 root 9572 R fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 running on startup before eMMC mounting? Takes time, too, but lack of notification LED can at times lead to unclean shutdown. | 13:32 |
| Oksanaa | I just wish I knew for sure that this fsck did clean-up, and that one unclean shut-down will not lead to fsck-at-each-and-every-startup | 13:34 |
| Oksanaa | /me has a feeling that software is worn-out somewhere. Even auto-capitalisation doesn't seem to work properly anymore. Well, it may be just because it thinks that hw kb is closed, while I am typing on it. | 13:37 |
| Michael_a330 | When the screen is locked and you unlock by opening the keyboard, is that indication that sensor works? | 14:04 |
| Oksanaa | I think so. Anyway, the keyboard silliness passed; probably related to start-up something. | 14:07 |
| bencoh | Oksanaa: keyboard/slider sensor is connected to a gpio | 14:14 |
| bencoh | dmesg will tell you much gpio | 14:14 |
| Oksanaa | Thank you :-) will read dmesg, it's lots of lines. Full info since start-up, may be interesting | 14:17 |
| Oksanaa | Whatever is procwrap_detach: deprecated dspbridge ioctl ? And ***** DSPMMU FAULT ***** IRQStatus 0x2 ? The latter one may need a pastebin, lots of lines. | 14:22 |
| bencoh | dspmmu fault usually calls for a reboot | 14:27 |
| Oksanaa | Well, had it caused a reboot, it wouldn't be in dmesg output? Unless dmesg remember what happened before start-up | 14:28 |
| bencoh | no I mean, I don't think I ever had a working dsp after seeing that message | 14:28 |
| bencoh | and eventually had to reboot | 14:28 |
| Oksanaa | Hmm, how do I see whether dsp works or not? Whatever it is. | 14:29 |
| bencoh | although restarting dsp from a running linux should work, but iirc something prevented me from restarting the dsp manager server | 14:29 |
| bencoh | hardware video acceleration uses DSP | 14:30 |
| bencoh | (might be the only use of the DSP on n900 actually) | 14:30 |
| buZz | i thought DSP on pre-n900 was always used by the builtin mediaplayer for decoding mp3 | 14:33 |
| bencoh | yeah, video/audio, sorry :) | 14:34 |
| bencoh | (both decoding and encoding iirc) | 14:34 |
| Oksanaa | Well, I can watch a movie alright. Would it be DSP, or a fallback mechanism after DSP fails? | 14:35 |
| bencoh | I'd say dsp, so ... dunno | 14:41 |
| bencoh | maybe it's not exactly the same error I had :) | 14:41 |
| Oksanaa | It just spams dmesg with procwrap_detach: deprecated dspbridge ioctl, but audio and video play fine. | 14:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | #flatbatrecover | 15:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | shift key :facepalm: | 15:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover | 15:12 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) | 15:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~tell LjL about flatbatrecover | 15:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am waiting for stable MATE DE on Devuan before switching from my current distro too. | 15:14 |
| enyc | sixwheeledbeast: MATE in devuan seems to just work already | 15:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Oksana: while true; do cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state; done | 15:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am keeping an eye on #devuan apparently there is one person trying to de-systemdify it | 15:20 |
| enyc | sixwheeledbeast: errrrrr devuan is already de-systemd'ed | 15:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | MATE | 15:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | most of it works but a handful of packages have dependency issues. | 15:23 |
| enyc | sixwheeledbeast: oh interesting it does depend on libsystemd but odesn't require systemd init running | 15:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 15:23 |
| enyc | sixwheeledbeast: i can say it doesn't seem to be any pratical issue | 15:23 |
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| enyc | sixwheeledbeast: i.e. wouldn't be concerned to 'use' it and help out with fixes r.e. libsystemd | 15:24 |
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| LjL | sixwheeledbeast, thanks. it does say it only works if i have no bootloop, which sadly i do. i cannot really leave it "powered off" at first because it'll start booting as soon as i plug in the charger... and then fail to boot, rinse and repeat | 17:34 |
| LjL | meanwhile, anyway, i got the new battery i ordered from eBay, buZz | 17:34 |
| LjL | i'm not very happy | 17:34 |
| LjL | it seems original alright | 17:35 |
| buZz | :D | 17:35 |
| buZz | but not so much in quality? | 17:35 |
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| LjL | but it was bare in an envelope completely unpadded, and i think the plastic top which has the contacts wiggles | 17:35 |
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| buZz | hmhm you already know it would be sent like that, didnt you? | 17:35 |
| LjL | who the hell puts a bare lithium battery unpadded in an italian posts envelope | 17:35 |
| buZz | knew* | 17:35 |
| LjL | they manage to break packages that are padded with half a meter of polystyrene | 17:35 |
| LjL | buZz, he said it would be in a "blister", i'm not sure if that word makes sense in english, but i was expecting a small but hard transparent plastic enclosure | 17:36 |
| LjL | plus, at the very least, a bubblewrap-padded envelope | 17:36 |
| LjL | a friend sent me a *phone* in such an envelope and it was undamaged. it was risky, but it sure beats a simple paper envelope | 17:37 |
| buZz | yeah blister would be a hardplastic thingy | 17:37 |
| LjL | in this case it was just a thin film of plastic | 17:37 |
| LjL | i'll take pictures now | 17:38 |
| buZz | i ordered two CP-321 from UK , would also be sent in 'original blister', they arrived just loose in a unpadded envelop with -remainders- of original packaging stuffed in as extra | 17:38 |
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| LjL | buZz, are you sure it said "in" and not just "with" :P | 17:50 |
| LjL | details! | 17:50 |
| buZz | in the envelope, yes | 17:51 |
| buZz | not with | 17:51 |
| buZz | oh | 17:51 |
| buZz | well, lets see | 17:51 |
| LjL | i took a video instead of pictures, uploading to youtube now | 17:51 |
| buZz | http://www.ebay.com/itm/371426524796 | 17:52 |
| buZz | > | 17:52 |
| buZz | New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging (where packaging is applicable). Packaging should be the same as what is found in a retail store, | 17:52 |
| buZz | yep, he demands 1.5 GBP to not demolish the packaging | 17:53 |
| buZz | :P | 17:53 |
| LjL | battery: €7.50 | 17:58 |
| LjL | battery that I have not hit with a hammer before shipping: €75 | 17:58 |
| LjL | buZz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6f23WHC3KU | 17:58 |
| buZz | left one is the new one? | 17:59 |
| buZz | it looks bulged | 17:59 |
| LjL | buZz, no, left one is old | 17:59 |
| LjL | i think neither looks bulged | 17:59 |
| LjL | buZz, and up above the new battery there is the "blister" | 18:00 |
| buZz | that barcode is different aswell | 18:00 |
| LjL | buZz, i am commenting in the audio, but it's very faint | 18:00 |
| buZz | i didnt decode it though, just visually | 18:00 |
| LjL | buZz, is the barcode supposed to be the same for all of them? might encode the serial number for all i know | 18:01 |
| buZz | no clue, lemme check my BL-5J's | 18:01 |
| LjL | anyway the thing that makes me most uneasy right now is the loose top. even if it's counterfeit, well, i'll probably notice from the (lack of) duration. but if the top is loose it might have short circuits inside the protection circuitry or such | 18:02 |
| LjL | it is not *very* loose. it moves just a bit | 18:03 |
| buZz | both my BL-5J's have nearly the same number underneath, first 8 and last 10 digits are equal | 18:03 |
| buZz | the barcodes are also different, but not so very different | 18:04 |
| buZz | so it might be the number, yes | 18:04 |
| LjL | buZz, are they like my old battery? | 18:04 |
| buZz | none have 'further processed' under it | 18:04 |
| buZz | like the left one | 18:04 |
| buZz | yeah | 18:04 |
| LjL | hmmm | 18:04 |
| LjL | that "further processed" sure shows a different production batch at least | 18:05 |
| LjL | like very different | 18:05 |
| LjL | buZz, are both of yours old? | 18:05 |
| LjL | maybe Nokia has produced some more recently in a different way | 18:05 |
| buZz | yeah both old-ish | 18:06 |
| buZz | one bulging even :( | 18:06 |
| LjL | buZz, i'm about to put it in the N900 wish me luck | 18:09 |
| LjL | (assuming it fits, given the top's unevenness) | 18:09 |
| buZz | good luck! | 18:09 |
| LjL | buZz, i had to press it down a bit to make it fit, since, as expected, it didn't easily fit inside the compartment given the bad top | 18:11 |
| LjL | but Maemo is booting... | 18:11 |
| LjL | buZz, actually no, it's not *booting*. it reaches pretty much the same stage as with the old battery, and then it dies. except with the old battery, it also lost backlighting before dying, so this battery has some more charge in it | 18:13 |
| LjL | but evidently there's something wrong with my Maemo anyway | 18:13 |
| LjL | my memory is quite bad and i can't remember but i have a vague recollection of having put a bulk of things, perhaps part of the OS itself if that's even possible, on a microSD card | 18:13 |
| buZz | :( | 18:14 |
| LjL | but there is no card in the phone now, so if i actually did that, then that would explain the failed boot | 18:14 |
| buZz | right | 18:14 |
| LjL | but why would i have removed the card in that case? | 18:14 |
| buZz | maybe flash from 0? | 18:14 |
| LjL | buZz, yeah maybe i should but... should i do that before being quite sure that *one* battery will be able to charge? | 18:14 |
| buZz | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach <- this one was my starting point for my n900 just ..2? weeks ago | 18:14 |
| LjL | also, i think i had pictures and stuff from my trip to London on the phone. i'm not really sure but i'd like to boot into it and see :( | 18:15 |
| buZz | the battery wont charge without a booted phone, afaik | 18:15 |
| buZz | ah yeah :/ | 18:15 |
| buZz | do you have some DIY li+ charger? you could just connect the battery to that and charge it outside of the phone | 18:15 |
| LjL | that looks lazy alright | 18:15 |
| buZz | lazy++ | 18:16 |
| LjL | buZz, no, i don't. that would have been my alternative to buying a new battery, but new battery seemed cheaper and less scary than charging externally | 18:16 |
| buZz | hmhm | 18:16 |
| buZz | i dont fear any technology and have been messing with electronics since forever :) | 18:16 |
| LjL | anyway i somehow get the feeling that this new battery, whether it's genuine and good or not, does have a deccent amount of charge in it at the moment | 18:16 |
| buZz | did you try booting with keyboard open? | 18:17 |
| LjL | buZz, i don't fear technology, i fear chemical fumes :P | 18:17 |
| buZz | on my current n900, that brings up the boot menu | 18:17 |
| LjL | oh | 18:17 |
| LjL | i tried, yeah | 18:17 |
| LjL | i tried booting with "u" pressed | 18:17 |
| LjL | i thought that was what would bring up the boot menu | 18:17 |
| buZz | i tried SO HARD to get a lipo to flame or explode | 18:17 |
| LjL | but i guess open keyboard was enough | 18:17 |
| buZz | havent yet :/ | 18:17 |
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| LjL | buZz, so yeah i did get a boot menu before, but i wasn't really sure how to resurrect anything from there | 18:18 |
| LjL | at first it seemed that just dropping into a console let it stay alive for charging | 18:18 |
| buZz | no, me neither | 18:18 |
| LjL | but then it died anyway | 18:18 |
| buZz | i only own a n900 since this month | 18:18 |
| buZz | no expert ;) | 18:18 |
| LjL | ah | 18:18 |
| buZz | well i own two now | 18:18 |
| LjL | maybe i should "start bme" within the console | 18:18 |
| LjL | assuming i can | 18:18 |
| buZz | i believe in you | 18:19 |
| buZz | :) | 18:19 |
| LjL | buZz, did you buy it as your main phone, as a collector, or what? | 18:19 |
| buZz | no i dont use phones | 18:19 |
| buZz | i just love maemo :) | 18:19 |
| buZz | already had 770, n800, n810 | 18:20 |
| LjL | ah | 18:20 |
| buZz | now i just need the n9-00 | 18:20 |
| LjL | i have an N810 | 18:20 |
| buZz | and maybe n950 | 18:20 |
| LjL | those are too 'spensive for me | 18:20 |
| buZz | i think i actually like the n810 formfactor better than n900's | 18:20 |
| LjL | i bought both the N810 and the N900 when they were well past their hayday too | 18:20 |
| LjL | the N810 is ncie | 18:20 |
| LjL | but its keyboard feels awful | 18:20 |
| buZz | it matches my hands better :) | 18:21 |
| LjL | and its battery management is even more ridiculous than the N900's ;( | 18:21 |
| LjL | well, it's bigger | 18:21 |
| buZz | but i've also grown accustom to typing on a 'Zipit Z2' | 18:21 |
| LjL | but the keys are so stiff and badly tactile | 18:21 |
| buZz | so, dno what i'm complaining about ^_^ | 18:21 |
| LjL | hmmm there are a few things i could try from the boot menu | 18:25 |
| LjL | but possibly not enough time to try them all before the new battery dies too | 18:25 |
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| LjL | buZz, i can seemingly enter a backup menu that has an option to backup to... USB, perhaps? | 18:27 |
| LjL | which would be nice for my data | 18:27 |
| buZz | ooo yes! | 18:27 |
| LjL | bleh | 18:27 |
| buZz | the port is OTG , so you could maybe hook something up? | 18:28 |
| LjL | it will backup to "eMMC, myDocs" | 18:28 |
| * buZz throws USB OTG adapter | 18:28 | |
| buZz | aww | 18:28 |
| * buZz throws a SD card to LjL | 18:28 | |
| LjL | was myDocs the name for the SD? | 18:28 |
| LjL | i really don't seem to remember much about Maemo | 18:28 |
| buZz | no , mydocs is the FAT partition on eMMC | 18:29 |
| LjL | buZz, apparently this backupmenu thing also has a thing to make the N900 enter mass storage device mode | 18:32 |
| LjL | so now i'm seeing myDocs from my computer | 18:32 |
| LjL | including DCIM, so backup time | 18:32 |
| buZz | !!!! | 18:32 |
| buZz | excellent | 18:32 |
| buZz | i didnt checkout BME properly yet | 18:32 |
| buZz | nor the bootmenu | 18:32 |
| LjL | it might also be charging but i dunno, there is no LED no | 18:32 |
| LjL | on | 18:32 |
| buZz | i dont think it charges before the kernel is booted, really | 18:33 |
| LjL | buZz, i think *a* kernel must be booted | 18:33 |
| LjL | i don't think this backupmenu is just its own kernel | 18:33 |
| buZz | well true | 18:33 |
| buZz | it could be, though | 18:33 |
| LjL | it says "BackupMenu 1.2.0 by RobbieThe1st" | 18:34 |
| LjL | so while i don't remember a thing, as mentioned | 18:34 |
| LjL | this is probably not exactly a built-in Maemo thing | 18:34 |
| buZz | yeah its not :) | 18:34 |
| buZz | ah it also talks about udev | 18:35 |
| buZz | so must be a linux kernel | 18:35 |
| buZz | man, i really gotta kill that pedo video nokia put on all their devices | 18:36 |
| buZz | horrible stuff | 18:36 |
| LjL | buZz, it's exposing also the 2GB (root?) drive, but only /usr and /opt within it | 18:39 |
| buZz | i guess thats the 'optfs' ? not 100% sure | 18:40 |
| LjL | Error while copying | 18:43 |
| LjL | There is not enough space on the destination "N900" | 18:43 |
| LjL | gj ljl | 18:43 |
| buZz | rm -fr / | 18:45 |
| buZz | remove the french files | 18:45 |
| buZz | :P | 18:46 |
| buZz | (no, dont) | 18:46 |
| LjL | typo? | 18:46 |
| LjL | surely you meant french flies | 18:46 |
| LjL | but they're more like mosquitoes, really | 18:46 |
| LjL | bzzzzing their silly language all over your ears | 18:47 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~bootloop | 19:00 |
| infobot | bootloop is, like, when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 19:00 |
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| buZz | LjL: no, the joke is 'remove your french files with rm -fr /' | 19:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | But what if I want to remove French files from other places than root... | 19:20 |
| LjL | ~rescueOS | 19:20 |
| infobot | [rescueos] http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 19:20 |
| LjL | well now that i have another battery, anyway, i suppose i can flash (i could backup, at least) | 19:21 |
| LjL | but i still have no clue just what is causing bootloop | 19:21 |
| LjL | and if at all possible, i'd rather fix that than reflash given all the customization i have, which i don't remember about | 19:21 |
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| buZz | not remembering = not missing, isnt it? :D | 19:27 |
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| LjL | buZz, not really! | 19:44 |
| LjL | is there any way to get a slightly more verbose boot than... a blank screen? | 19:44 |
| LjL | buZz, oh my god it's booting | 19:54 |
| LjL | maybe | 19:54 |
| LjL | i saw a ̣̣̣····· progress bar that wasn't there before | 19:54 |
| LjL | also the LED is slowly flashing yellow | 19:55 |
| LjL | that means charging doesn't it? | 19:55 |
| buZz | !!!! | 19:55 |
| buZz | yes | 19:55 |
| buZz | yes , and the .... bar is 'busy booting' | 19:55 |
| LjL | buZz, but then it went dark again, it didn't actually boot up to some screen | 19:57 |
| LjL | but the LED is still doing the slow flashing | 19:57 |
| LjL | should i leave it there without touching it for a bit? | 19:57 |
| buZz | yes! i had this before aswell | 19:58 |
| buZz | i just left it with orange led until i got bored, and tried powering again, which made it boot all the way | 19:58 |
| buZz | oo good idea, i should try photorec/testdisk on my MyDocs :D | 19:59 |
| buZz | giev nudes.jpg | 19:59 |
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| LjL | buZz, it might be a bit dangerous, but during the past few days trying to resurrect my old battery, i encountered a tip to run Maemo "from USB" for a very short time, by stopping bme and then removing the battery | 20:02 |
| buZz | oo fancy | 20:02 |
| LjL | so i *think* it cannot be ruled out that if (assming i can boot the phone eventually) | 20:03 |
| LjL | if i run it from the new battery while connected to USB, then stop bme, then very quickly put the old battery in, and restart bme | 20:03 |
| LjL | that it would keep going from the old battery, and start charging it | 20:03 |
| LjL | either it does that, or it explodes, anyway | 20:03 |
| buZz | should be fine :) | 20:03 |
| LjL | buZz, i guess it's also possible that the BME, once restarted, would feel extremely perplexed at the fact that the battery is now at 2% when it was at 95% last time it checked, and do a safety shutdown | 20:09 |
| buZz | wow lol, this n900 has >10k .png files on it :D | 20:09 |
| LjL | not .jpg? | 20:09 |
| * LjL smells hentai | 20:09 | |
| buZz | just 700 jpg | 20:09 |
| LjL | those are probably the inappropriate-compressed hentai then | 20:10 |
| buZz | well thusfar | 20:10 |
| LjL | *sigh* Amazon | 20:10 |
| Wizzup | buZz: let me check for those screens. | 20:10 |
| LjL | i just bought a SODIMM module from you. so don't spam me with ads for SODIMM modules. i don't need *another* | 20:11 |
| LjL | spam me with something, i dunno, something that a person could use together with the SODIMM module they just bought | 20:11 |
| LjL | like a static discharger bracelet | 20:11 |
| LjL | or a computer. i could use a free computer. | 20:11 |
| buZz | Wizzup: i already did! | 20:11 |
| buZz | meri<tab> will give it to madeddie, realitygaps or anus | 20:12 |
| buZz | and it will travel on interhackerspacemail slowly to me :) | 20:12 |
| buZz | LjL: i bought 1 onesie in november, now its all aliexpress wants to show me :) | 20:13 |
| Wizzup | buZz: yes, except that he thinks that I have them. | 20:13 |
| Wizzup | ;) | 20:13 |
| buZz | oh | 20:13 |
| Wizzup | I probably do. | 20:13 |
| * Wizzup looks at the corner filled with n900 boxes, n900 phones and peripherals | 20:13 | |
| LjL | buZz, i wonder why they think targeted advertising is useful this way | 20:13 |
| LjL | maybe they don't | 20:14 |
| LjL | maybe targeted ads are just a big excuse to profile us, and not vice versa | 20:14 |
| buZz | horrible profile then :P | 20:14 |
| LjL | yeah, i am more photogenic from the front | 20:14 |
| Wizzup | buZz: got at least 1 | 20:16 |
| Wizzup | it's without ear part though | 20:16 |
| Wizzup | so don't break those | 20:16 |
| buZz | ok :) | 20:17 |
| buZz | its mostly just to see the screen clearly on my second n900, its so scratched up :/ | 20:17 |
| Wizzup | hmm | 20:17 |
| realitygaps | buZz: just lemme know when, i dont check my box so often | 20:17 |
| buZz | k k | 20:19 |
| LjL | buZz, WE HAVE A GREEN LIGHT | 20:28 |
| buZz | WOOOOOOP | 20:28 |
| LjL | but it bootlooped anyway :( | 20:29 |
| buZz | aw :/ | 20:29 |
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| buZz | did you mirror entire MyDocs and the other partition? you might be able to find what you did | 20:29 |
| LjL | buZz, no, only the MyDocs partition | 20:30 |
| LjL | it booted! | 20:30 |
| buZz | !! | 20:30 |
| LjL | using the Nokia kernel | 20:30 |
| LjL | instead of the kernel i had by default | 20:30 |
| LjL | Enter PIN code | 20:30 |
| LjL | do i know my PIN code | 20:30 |
| LjL | yep, i do | 20:30 |
| LjL | it's not 2009 though | 20:30 |
| LjL | let's make 2009 great again | 20:30 |
| LjL | now this T-Mobile SIM is going to welcome me to Italy as usual | 20:31 |
| LjL | which is always fun to watch | 20:32 |
| LjL | it reports the battery as containing 1189mAh at most | 20:33 |
| LjL | that's a bit less than specced | 20:33 |
| LjL | but not enough to strongly suspect counterfeit, i guess | 20:33 |
| LjL | maybe just a bit old stock | 20:33 |
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| LjL | here it is, the SMS! took a while this time | 20:43 |
| LjL | T-Mobile: Welcome to Italy. Calls cost 4.4p/min to make & 1p/min to receive, texts 1.8p. Browse the internet for £3/day for 75MB by buying an internet travel booster. Make sure data roaming is switched on and click http://add-on.ee.co.uk/text for FREE to buy and get more info. Call 112 in case of emergency. Please note that photo messaging is not available in the EU. Call +4495... for Customer Services or if you no longer want to receive these messages when | 20:45 |
| LjL | abroad. | 20:45 |
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| LjL | so... now that i can boot, my boot menu has three entries: "attached kernel 2.6.18-omap1", "kernel-cssu 2.6.28.10-cssu3" and "kernel-power 2.6.28.10-power53" | 21:08 |
| LjL | the latter two boot, but the first (which is the default) does not | 21:08 |
| LjL | i don't really remember any of this stuff from 2013. directions? :( | 21:08 |
| LjL | what am i meant to be using these days | 21:08 |
| LjL | buZz, battery now at 64%. while i do remember Maemo taking an inordinate amount of battery juice to reboot... i'm not *entirely* sure this is a sign of a top-performing battery | 21:13 |
| buZz | its a bit fast yeah, but you did play with it for 45 minutes just now? :) | 21:14 |
| LjL | buZz, not really, mainly rebooted and stared at boot screen | 21:17 |
| LjL | updated software that was waiting to update, too, but there were just like 4 updates | 21:18 |
| LjL | and some failed because the kernel isn't right for them, i suspect | 21:18 |
| LjL | U-Boot wants to update but also doesn't want to update | 21:22 |
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| buZz | ah, all png files are maptiles ^_^ | 21:27 |
| bencoh | LjL: the first kernel is probably not supposed to boot with a cssu rootfs | 21:33 |
| bencoh | since I expect it to be a stock kernel | 21:33 |
| bencoh | which is incompatible nowadays | 21:33 |
| bencoh | you probably want kernel-power anyway, for all the goodies it brings | 21:34 |
| LjL | bencoh, i see. i don't know why i have it listed as the first bootloader option then... | 21:34 |
| bencoh | it being your first choice is not a good idea, yeah :) | 21:34 |
| bencoh | you can change that in some /etc/ file and regenerate uboot menu iirc | 21:35 |
| LjL | bencoh, any clue why this "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" update that the application manager prompt complains it "conflict with 3d party package policy"? | 21:35 |
| LjL | add -s as needed | 21:36 |
| bencoh | no idea, especially since I dont use application manager | 21:36 |
| bencoh | 20:30 < LjL> using the Nokia kernel | 21:37 |
| bencoh | 20:30 < LjL> instead of the kernel i had by default | 21:37 |
| bencoh | which one is that? | 21:37 |
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| LjL | bencoh, forget that - i had it the other way around. the nokia kernel (omap1) is the one that does NOT boot | 21:39 |
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| Sicelo | i think cssu should still boot fine with that vanilla kernel | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | cssu thumb is the one that's incompatible | 21:59 |
| bencoh | Sicelo: didnt they introduce a dependency at some point? | 22:02 |
| bencoh | hmm, you may be right actually | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | CSSU *definitely* boots with stock kernel! | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cssu thumb is basically an incompatible arch | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it needs a thumb enabled kernel and afaik even some userland support | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or maybe not the latter | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anywau thumb userland crashes hard on stock kernel | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but CSSU != thumb | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and anybody using *thumb OUGHT be aware of all that | 22:42 |
| buZz | the doc is in | 22:44 |
| buZz | :) | 22:44 |
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| buZz | http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=nokia+n900&sa= | 23:20 |
| buZz | disappointing | 23:20 |
| buZz | does anyone have a 3d model the n900 by any chance? :) | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | buZz: maybe check neo900 resources scans? | 23:32 |
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| buZz | ooo ty ; http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/scans/ | 23:43 |
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| buZz | too bad there isnt a 'fully assembled' model :) | 23:49 |
| buZz | still nice | 23:49 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer51, i might be using thumb, and i might certainly have been aware of all that | 23:57 |
| LjL | ... in 2013 | 23:57 |
| LjL | when i last used my N900 | 23:57 |
| buZz | happy new maemo LjL | 23:59 |
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