IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2017-01-09

sixwheeledbeastand it's caveat of not persisting a reboot.00:00
ff_so, it's another handy shortcuts for multiple uses00:01
DocScrutinizer05me kicks ass of bot00:03
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DocScrutinizer05~wb lazy ass00:04
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infobotit has been said that infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command!00:04
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys powervr00:05
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys pvr00:06
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ff_did you create this infobot, DocS?00:07
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DocScrutinizer05ff_: nope00:07
infobotTimRiker is my owner00:07
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DocScrutinizer05so I can kick her ass ;-)00:09
DocScrutinizer05~+help die00:09
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ff_is it only this channel, or it needs manually start?00:10
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DocScrutinizer05sometimes^H always after netsplits, the bot doesn't log in again00:11
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DocScrutinizer05so I reboot it via ssh00:12
ff_it can be helpfull00:13
DocScrutinizer05it is, unless people simply reject it00:13
DocScrutinizer05in some channels the concept of an infobot isn't appreciated00:13
ff_the matter of choice00:14
DocScrutinizer05without infobot i'd feel lost. I wouldn't know all the URLs I offloaded to her, particularly00:14
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infoboti heard maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing00:15
ff_something like n900 with eink & lcd display would be fantastico :)00:17
DocScrutinizer05hehe yes00:17
DocScrutinizer05e-ink 11" rolled up to only form a 10mm*25mm*<height of display> device00:19
ff_and with a litte bit more of memory, cpu as second but ya00:19
DocScrutinizer05would 4 times the memory suffice? ;-)00:19
DocScrutinizer05still no e-ink, but... neo900 at least provides as much memory as technically feasible00:20
ff_min 512MB, 1GB is fine, 2GB with maemo will be great00:21
ff_but it's pricey00:23
DocScrutinizer052GB isn't feasible on OMAP300:25
DocScrutinizer05missing addr lines00:25
ff_r0kk3rz sed: "I think for mass appeal and ease of procurement it should be a straight forward android device with a keyboard. After delivery we can worry about porting various operating systems to it, like fremantle or sailfish or whatever people want.00:25
ff_I know many people here wont like that idea, but its the best way to keep costs down maximise volume"00:25
DocScrutinizer05you'd need paging, like on early DOS PCs00:25
DocScrutinizer05won't fly00:26
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ff_so, with OMAP3 is 1GB max?00:28
DocScrutinizer05you can't compete to Samsung, LG et al on an android playground, when your only seeling point is a hw lbd00:28
DocScrutinizer05selling point is a hw keyboard* - now00:29
DocScrutinizer05and actually you can't port fremantle to all arbitrary android devices. Not only because of fremantle closed blobs (which we mostly REed meanwhile) but particularly because of android closed blobs for the hardware00:30
ff_struggle on two sides, hm it can be more difficult then I thought in first glance00:33
DocScrutinizer05if porting would be that easy, then maemo6 aka HARM(attan) aka N9's OS would have ported to a vast number of more recent hardware already00:35
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ff_many devs probably is trying it already00:38
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DocScrutinizer05Jolla tried to implement a maemo resurrection called sailfish (based on nemo/mer) *on top* of existing Android hardware abstraction layer. Seems while they achieved to roll out something, the appeal of maemo got lost00:38
ff_or maybe few, because they know :)00:39
DocScrutinizer05I for one barely touch my jolla phone once a year, since the hardware-introduced quirks suck donkey balls. E.G you can't do a clean full reflash on jolla phone, since Jolla Inc doesn't own the copyright to the blobs and thus can't provide a full "firmware image" to do a full reflash of that snapdragon crap in jollaphone00:41
ff_so, is it music of past - light, clean, fast, mobile OS?00:42
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DocScrutinizer05unlike many others, I consider maemo fremantle a viable alternative00:43
DocScrutinizer05it's probably still the best cleanest comprehensive phone OS I've seen so far00:44
DocScrutinizer05and right this moment already gets ported to a cheap tablet by freemangordon and a few others00:46
DocScrutinizer05and it's the OS of choice for Neo90000:46
ff_and still some parts of hardware are great, like fmtx, hw kb and so on00:46
ff_we'll see what future bring00:48
DocScrutinizer05I hope Neo900, "soon". Right now we're in layout of prototype_v200:49
DocScrutinizer05"porting" of fremantle to Neo900 should be a nobrainer00:50
ff_certainly another opportunities00:50
infobotit has been said that fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see
DocScrutinizer05  :-P00:53
DocScrutinizer05"2078: He announces that he's finally making the jump from screen+irssi to tmux+weechat."  LOL00:59
DocScrutinizer05must be ME01:00
DocScrutinizer05wait, I never really used irssi01:00
ff_beauty of simplicity01:05
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infobotirc is, like, Welcome to IRC, where the men are of reduced skin pigmentation, the women are all above average, and the little girls are FBI agents.  Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough.01:30
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xesDocScrutinizer05: would you mean tmux+weechat+glowing-bear?02:06
DocScrutinizer05no idea, never heard of the latter02:07
xesgit clone it in a subfolder of your apache rootdir and you are done02:11
buZzhmmf oneclick install of CSSU seems to not work here, lets reflash from 0 :P02:47
buZzfresh n900 flash (lazy flasher) and oneclick testing cssu03:01
buZzgoing for attempt #203:01
buZzon attempt #1 i ended up with constant portrait mode, a 'zoomed out screen' and no working application launcher03:01
DocScrutinizer05sounds like major crash03:02
DocScrutinizer05gigantic failure03:02
buZzoh ok, thought you ment there was an obvious error :P03:02
DocScrutinizer05no, absolutely non-obvious and scary03:03
DocScrutinizer05please make sure to let device finish optimization after full-flash03:04
buZzah its fine, its just a fresh flash03:04
buZzhow could i be sure?03:04
DocScrutinizer05hmm, wait 5 minutes ?03:04
DocScrutinizer05after first reboot03:05
DocScrutinizer05also make sure to do a full-reflash, not only rootfs03:06
DocScrutinizer05it's a tad tricky to actually know if immediately after full-reflash the device already booted and started optimization, or it's still waiting for reboot that it often needs to get triggered manually after flash03:08
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fishbulbis there a tool for transferring contacts numbers and calendar dates to android?03:08
fishbulbfrom n90003:08
fishbulbmy last one has died03:08
fishbulband texts03:09
fishbulbI assume that stuff can't be stored on the simcard03:09
DocScrutinizer05no, can't03:09
fishbulbhow can I transfer it to an android phone?03:10
fishbulbit's 2017 and I just got an android handset, and have never tried to transfer the texts numbers and whatnot03:12
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fishbulbis there a way to do this?03:19
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buZzyay, attempt #2 worked03:20
DocScrutinizer05buZz: great03:22
fishbulbis there a way to transfer stuff from n900 to an android handset03:23
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buZzfishbulb: only way i could think off , is syncing to a pc program first03:24
buZzthen sync that to which ever cloud you want to use03:24
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DocScrutinizer05your data is in backup, this could be another possible approach03:24
fishbulbwhich backup03:24
fishbulbI don't have any program to sync to03:25
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fishbulbdoes one exist?03:25
DocScrutinizer05contacts can also get exported as vcard03:25
fishbulbwhat's that03:26
fishbulbcan it be converted to a format some android thing can use/03:27
DocScrutinizer05in backup, files are in e.g. YourBackupDir/
DocScrutinizer05nobody knows android in here03:28
fishbulbnobody uses a phone from this decade?03:28
fishbulband you can speak for everyone?03:29
DocScrutinizer05$YourBackupDir is the name you gave to the backup in backup app03:29
DocScrutinizer05I can speak for the #channel03:30
DocScrutinizer05please /join #android and ask there, about any android related questions03:31
fishbulbthat is so incredibly pedantic03:32
buZzi know android03:32
buZzandroid usually doesnt store contacts or txt msgs on the device03:32
buZzits in the cloud man03:32
buZzdependancy on external servers, thats whats android about03:33
DocScrutinizer05I'm incredibly pedantic when it's about incredibly arrogant and insulting users03:33
fishbulbwhat is android?03:34
fishbulbphones that weren't made in 2009 don't exist03:34
fishbulbbuZz, the only thing that HAS to be linked to the phone is a gmail address03:34
buZzeh sure03:34
buZzeither way, most storage on a android is in sqlite dbs03:34
fishbulbbut how to get the contacts and conversations and stuff from the n900 to something else03:34
buZz02:24:16 < DocScrutinizer05> your data is in backup, this could be another possible approach03:35
buZz02:28:15 < DocScrutinizer05> in backup, files are in e.g. YourBackupDir/
fishbulbwhat format is that though03:35
DocScrutinizer05which is indeed a sql dump03:35
fishbulbare they the same format?03:35
DocScrutinizer05of course not03:36
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DocScrutinizer05actually nope, it's in*03:44
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DocScrutinizer05grep BEGIN:VCARD -A5 Root/home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db/addressbook.db03:46
fishbulbthat's what came out?03:49
DocScrutinizer05VCARD format is the one most likely understood by any phone03:50
fishbulband that's the format from grep begin etc?03:50
fishbulbthis should go in a wiki03:50
fishbulbI don't get it, did that work as a vcard format?04:00
DocScrutinizer05~lmgtfy vcard04:09
* infobot thinks you should look here:
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DocScrutinizer05or simply open slider, click on desktop background, type a letter on kbd -> "Contacts" opens. Click menu, click button "export"04:14
DocScrutinizer05follow the instructions as displayed on screen, after that04:15
fishbulbI did not know that04:15
fishbulbthat is a good feature04:15
fishbulbis there a common format for sms "conversations" ?04:18
DocScrutinizer05no, those are in
DocScrutinizer05format of el-v1.db is largely unknown, afaik04:23
DocScrutinizer05anyway looks like a SQL dump in backup04:24
fishbulbso what's the difference between sqlite dbs and "dump"04:25
DocScrutinizer05INSERT INTO "Events" VALUES(14,3,7,1279364669,1279364615,1279364669,1,0,0,0,'ring/tel/ring','<SelfHandle>','o2 Team',NULL,'Lieber o2 Kunde, Ihr/e o2 Internet Pack L wird am 18.07.2010 automa tisch für Sie verlängert, sofern Ihr Guthaben ausreichend ist.','o2 Team',0,0);04:26
DocScrutinizer05is dump, while sqlite binary is cluttered with gibberish04:26
fishbulbgibberish that a phone can make sense of apparently?04:27
DocScrutinizer05if it has the app knowing the database structure, then yes04:27
fishbulbbuZz said android used it04:28
DocScrutinizer05well, that doesn't mean a thing, like "device XYZ uses Windows"04:28
DocScrutinizer05sqlite is a database04:28
DocScrutinizer05a variant of generic SQL database engines04:29
DocScrutinizer05more complete:
DocScrutinizer05eventlogger (el) [version 1: -v1] is a virtual service created by several apps in cooperation, on maemo. It stores SMS, calls etc in that sqlite database el-v1.db04:33
DocScrutinizer05I never heard of a export feature for SMS04:34
DocScrutinizer05anyway running "sqlite3 <el-v1db" (the untarred unzipped dump file from backup: )  would recreate the complete database on any device that knows SQL(ite). Then you _could_ try to make sense of the database, by running SQL queries against it04:38
DocScrutinizer05the start of the dump gives a faint idea what the db looks like and what it does:
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DocScrutinizer05way down it creates a table for calls:04:46
DocScrutinizer05CREATE TABLE Remotes (local_uid TEXT NOT NULL,remote_uid TEXT NOT NULL,remote_name TEXT,abook_uid TEXT,UNIQUE(local_uid,remote_uid));04:46
DocScrutinizer05INSERT INTO "Remotes" VALUES('ring/tel/ring','+491779911','Voicemail','osso-abook-vmbx');04:46
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DocScrutinizer05and VoIP calls: INSERT INTO "Remotes" VALUES('sofiasip/sip/_XxxXXxxx_40sipgate_XXxxXX','','',NULL);04:47
DocScrutinizer05actually multople linked tables04:49
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DocScrutinizer05CREATE TABLE Events (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY,service_id INTEGER NOT NULL,event_type_id INTEGER NOT NULL,storage_time INTEGER NOT NULL,start_time INTEGER NOT NULL,end_time INTEGER,is_read INTE GER DEFAULT 0,flags INTEGER DEFAULT 0,bytes_sent INTEGER DEFAULT 0,bytes_received INTEGER DEFAULT 0,local_uid TEXT,local_name TEXT,remote_uid TEXT,channel TEXT,free_text TEXT,group_uid TEXT,  outgoing BOOL DEFAULT 0, mc_profile BOOL DEFAULT 0);04:50
DocScrutinizer05INSERT INTO "Events" VALUES(1,1,1,1277619432,1277619432,0,0,0,0,0,'ring/tel/ring',NULL,'+491779911',NULL,NULL,NULL,1,0);04:50
DocScrutinizer05end time in "events" table in el-v1.db is only correctly filled with values when you added the storwed procedures as of
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* DocScrutinizer05 pukes in direction "Events" vs "events"04:57
DocScrutinizer05are SQL table names case sensitive?04:58
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DocScrutinizer05Nokia devels, once more. They really never will get their shit sorted with case sensitivity05:05
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DocScrutinizer05camera-ui anybody? where storing photos broke thanks to maemo creating an uppercase dir but trying to write to a lowercase dir, which *only* works on DOS filesystems, but for sure not on ext3 or somesuch05:09
DocScrutinizer05you still see the fallout of devels learning "computer" on MS crap every day, when you e.g. look at *.jpg vs *.JPG05:11
DocScrutinizer05don't get me started about 8.305:13
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fishbulbwhat is wrong with you08:04
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buZzis that official nokia case any good?12:43
buZzthe CP-32112:43
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KotCzarnyits a case, not even a security latch12:44
KotCzarnyonly positive factor it's the size of n90012:44
KotCzarnyso it might be a tight fit12:47
buZzany other recommendations? its mostly just for storage, doesnt have to be able to use it from inside12:47
KotCzarnywhat is the use case?12:47
buZz'join pile of other maemo devices'12:47
KotCzarnynot enough data :P12:48
buZzi have the 770, n800, n810 and n900 , just as collectables12:49
buZzall have original nokia cases12:49
KotCzarnythen surely go for it12:49
KotCzarnyas its original nokia case12:49
buZzits the only nokia case for n900, right?12:50
buZzoh, CP-408 is also one .. hmm12:53
KotCzarnygrab both12:54
KotCzarnythey are cheap12:54
buZzcant find the cp-408 for sale on ebay12:54
KotCzarnycheck amazon12:55
DocScrutinizer05cp.408 looks weird - how would you slide it open without the display latching up in the brackets?13:08
KotCzarnyyou dont, you scrap the paint eventually13:08
DocScrutinizer05CP-321 looks similarly inconvenient in a different way13:09
KotCzarnyits mostly for hwkb-less usage13:09
Michael_a380I use a Lowepro. It's a camera case, but still a nice fit.13:14
Michael_a380yeah, fiddling with a zip all the time13:16
buZzCP-321 is ideal i think13:18
buZzmatches the case i have for N81013:18
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Michael_a380Going to soon have a look at this:
Michael_a380Anything paticular to look out for (valuable), that would make it worthwhile?13:24
buZznew batteries :)13:25
KotCzarnyusb/dcin adapters, >1A chargers13:25
Michael_a380It would be all 'old stock', shelf life may not be good for batteries13:26
KotCzarnyoriginal car charger > any chinese noname crap13:26
KotCzarnyand other car/bike/case accessories you would use13:26
fishbulbhow do you get vcard 3.0 to a csv format android can use13:29
fishbulbbecause if you export contacts from n900 it ends up as hundreds of individual .vcf files13:29
KotCzarnyfishbulb: use bluetooth to transfer all contacts to android phone13:30
KotCzarnyor just cat *.vcf >../big.vcf and try to load it on android13:30
fishbulbuse bluetooth?13:31
fishbulbI don't think I've ever successfully transferred a file with bluetooth on anything13:31
KotCzarnynot file. 'share contacts'13:32
fishbulbwith what?13:32
Michael_a380Do you have 2 phones connected with bluetooth?13:32
Michael_a380* to each other.13:35
fishbulbnow I do, surprisingly13:36
fishbulbI tried to share the contacts and it failed immediately13:38
Michael_a380If my brother finds his Android, I may be able to try it.13:40
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fishbulbI can pair them but how do I share contacts13:45
fishbulbI've tried all the sync and transfer methods13:45
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fishbulbnone worked13:45
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fishbulbit won't share contacts13:46
fishbulbthanks but that's 5 years ago13:49
fishbulbandroid/google has changed a little bit13:49
fishbulb7 years ago I mean13:49
Michael_a380It's been done before (2015)13:53
Michael_a380At least you know, it should be possible13:54
fishbulbwhat is "contacts app"13:54
fishbulbthat post just says "can you share them via bluetooth with contacts app"13:54
fishbulbthen "yes"13:55
fishbulbcontacts app on what13:55
fishbulbI've got them paired13:55
fishbulbtried "sharing contacts" with the transfer and sync thing in the n900 menu13:56
fishbulbthe transfer fails all the time13:56
fishbulbn900 settings menu13:56
Michael_a380So, you went through "Export contacts wizard"?14:04
Michael_a380on n90014:04
fishbulbyeah it doesn't transfer anything14:05
fishbulbthe phones are both paired, a galaxy s5 and n90014:05
fishbulbI exported the contacts to the sd card, and it's hundreds of individual .vcf files14:06
fishbulbexported them as vcard 3.014:06
Michael_a380I only get up to "Export contacts 4/5: Folder and location". The Android doesn't show up for selecting location, for me ATM14:07
KotCzarnysave to file, then send the file?14:11
fishbulbit saves to individual vcard files only14:11
KotCzarnydid you try the 'cat' trick ?14:12
fishbulbwhich cat trick14:12
KotCzarnycat *.vcf > ../big.vcf14:12
fishbulbit doesn't work14:25
Michael_a380how many contacts to transfer?14:27
fishbulbtoo many to do each one14:27
fishbulba shitload, I've had an n900 forever, this is the first time I've had to transfer any contacts to any other device14:28
fishbulbhaving a phone is critical, unfortunately I need to use android for a while14:29
Michael_a380Maybe a bug developed some time. Do you have or know of anyone else with an n900? It may work with a "middle man" (just a guess).14:32
fishbulbyour random vague guessing isn't really helping14:32
fishbulbthere are 3 n900's here, is there something specific you're suggesting14:33
Michael_a380I would try syncing with another n900 that is closest to original stock. Then see if that phone can sync with the android.14:36
Michael_a380Or first see if the other 2 n900_s can sync contacts with the android14:37
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ceenei was able once to synchronize google contacts even with picture15:30
ceenebut i don't remember how i did it15:30
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fishbulbI cut the simcard down16:07
fishbulbbut the n900 doesn't save contacts to sim anyway does it?16:08
buZzno phone since the 90s doest that16:08
buZzit wont fit16:08
fishbulbI dunno, it was on some instructions I found16:09
bencoheven 2000s phones still did, some by default, some by choice16:10
buZzanyone wants a N95 ? :P16:21
DocScrutinizer05thanks, not anymore16:24
DocScrutinizer05though... it's a cool device16:24
DocScrutinizer05got a N97 mini for the ECI tests16:24
buZzi just want a N9 , sender misunderstood ;)16:24
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fishbulbwhat do you need an n9 for?16:47
fishbulbI have one and I really wish it worked16:48
fishbulbthere is a chicken/egg recursive loop problem of it needing something before it can install something else16:49
fishbulbis an n9 useful to anyone17:10
fishbulbI'll trade 2 n900 and one N9 for that motherboard that's coming out17:11
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fishbulbI'll trade 3 n900 handsets and one n9 for anything17:25
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VajbKotCzarny: integrated18:56
KotCzarnythat also can be good19:08
KotCzarnyie. you wont worry about graphics chip desoldering19:08
KotCzarnyamd running much cooler19:09
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Vajbyup and pefromance wise i looked that it discrete card had only 20 points advantage19:37
KotCzarnydepends on discrete card19:37
KotCzarnyon my t500, ati 3650 is ~2x faster than integrated19:37
Vajbwell the one and only listed in t520 part in wikipedia19:37
Vajbnvidia nvs 4500 if recall it right19:38
KotCzarnythis is the site you should bookmark19:38
KotCzarnyonce you start yourself on thinkpads19:38
Vajb4200 actually19:39
Vajbyes it was different wiki but information was accurate enough :)19:40
KotCzarnyyeah, they look very close in benchmarks19:41
Vajbbookmarked btw19:42
KotCzarnybut for 3d dedicated 1gb is nice19:42
Vajbsure thing, but i patted myself on back by thinking that if play it'll be something like BG119:43
Vajbif i*19:43
KotCzarnyhow do you like it so far? was the upgrade noticeable?19:43
KotCzarnywould you do it again?19:43
Vajbwell didn't get it yet actually, but bothered seller with one last detail ;)19:44
KotCzarnyget the Type string19:45
Vajbhe is waiting the transaction to be visible in bank and then sending19:45
KotCzarnyie. Type xxxx-yyy19:45
KotCzarnyit will describe config in detail19:45
Vajbi already know most of the details, but i'll let u know when i see it19:49
Vajbi did quick comparision in cpuboss and amazingly it should have more bunch than my gf's old laptop19:49
Vajbdidn't tell that to her because she paid more ;)19:50
KotCzarnythat's why i will never buy new laptop19:50
Vajbhmm punch actually19:50
Vajbthink i wont either19:50
KotCzarnysilicon gets old, but those old devices would probably work longer than currently sold ones19:51
Vajbwell if they r anything similiar to modern phones they will19:53
Vajbmy friends complain that their 2yo old phones became too slow and unresponsive that they had to bought new19:53
Vajbcool that site has maintenance manual19:54
KotCzarnyyes, it has plenty of model specific hacks too19:54
Vajbi see that there is 8 different cpu's for this model. If i happen to find say quad core which is mentioned in list. I suppose it just fits and works?20:09
KotCzarnyin t series cpu is socketed20:09
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KotCzarnyyou can browse thinkpad forums to see what hackers managed to cram into that model20:19
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Vajboh i see. So far i saw just a little difference between cpu's20:32
KotCzarnywell, some folks were upgrading to quad cores, higher freqs etc20:32
KotCzarnyif chip has same TDP, it should be safe upgrade20:33
KotCzarnybut since you wouldnt be needing it for serious work even dual core will suffice20:34
KotCzarnythermal design power20:34
KotCzarny'how much heat this thingie will radiate'20:34
Vajbah ok20:34
Vajbhmm i just realised that there has been full hd version also. I had that on my features whished list, but i dropped it since no offers of such devices20:35
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KotCzarnyif its 1600x900 its also very nice20:41
Vajbyup. I suppose it scales down well20:42
KotCzarnythat's what i have now 1680x105020:43
KotCzarnywell, a bit more ;)20:43
Vajbyeah slightly20:43
Vajbbut comparing that to my current laptop makes me happy or atleast wishfull20:47
Vajbthis has celeron 53020:47
KotCzarnythey will get shot 'because it's chinese'. which is a pity if they really want to make good phones20:52
KotCzarnythough since its only chinese market right now, who knows20:53
Vajbthat description kinda sounded like the description of my friends new chinese phone...20:54
KotCzarny4gb of ram, 64gb of storage, dual amplifier, snapdragon 430, x6 lte.20:54
KotCzarnyso much specs wasted on android, eh20:55
KotCzarnyquick, someone email them about alternative os! just say that we would need open drivers and they have a winner ;)20:55
Vajband it didn't say hwkbd20:56
KotCzarnyyeah. so another toy20:57
KotCzarnyand that helio looks like iphone knock off20:57
Vajbwell to me they all look like each other20:58
Vajbtoo thin to hold properly too wide to fit in jeans pocket20:58
KotCzarnytoo shiny to do anything serious?20:59
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Vajbimpossible to do anything serious21:00
Vajbwell other than use facebook and instagram21:01
KotCzarnyand looking at pr0^h^h^hscience21:02
Vajbplus whatsap21:02
Vajbmaybe compete who has fastest cpu21:02
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keriowhy would i want 32GB of ROM21:36
keriohas android redefined "ROM" to mean "internal writeable storage"21:36
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sixwheeledbeast^You wouldn't, but Android may need it.21:43
KotCzarnyrom as in flashable immutable image21:44
KotCzarnywhat happens then isnt intereesting21:45
keriomy only practical experience with android is an android x86 VM running on a server21:45
kerioto use whatsapp desktop21:45
kerio(works brilliantly, btw)21:45
KotCzarnygoogle plans to make it global21:46
KotCzarnyie. all data/things on their servers21:46
KotCzarnyits just that wolrd isnt ready21:46
KotCzarnyyou cant even store user's data outside native country21:46
kerionah, whatsapp has actual security21:46
kerioit's not a google product21:46
kerioi mean, not thanks to whatsapp or facebook21:47
keriothey just grabbed moxie and told him to turn whatsapp into signal21:47
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sixwheeledbeast^"actual security" whatsapp was known to have poor encryption, hence all the broken third party apps over the years.21:57
keriothat's why they grabbed moxie and told him "do your thing"22:00
kerioand then he did the thing22:00
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I think the odd definition of "ROM" is older than Android22:50
DocScrutinizer05but it's indeed exactly< what you suspect22:50
DocScrutinizer05"ROM" means basically what we call rootfs22:51
keriobut it's not read only :<22:51
DocScrutinizer05or "combined"22:51
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if and when they will make a hacked "ROM" for my S6022:52
KotCzarnykerio, you cant mount fiasco image, you have to rebuild22:53
KotCzarnyin that sense its ro22:53
keriono, that android phone has a 32gb emmc22:53
KotCzarnyanyway, 'rom' is a buzzword22:54
KotCzarnyand it doesnt mean anything it was meant originally22:54
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KotCzarnysleepy time, nite folks!22:55
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