| sixwheeledbeast | and it's caveat of not persisting a reboot. | 00:00 |
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| ff_ | so, it's another handy shortcuts for multiple uses | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me kicks ass of bot | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb lazy ass | 00:04 |
| * infobot welcomes lazy ass back | 00:04 | |
| ff_ | ~infobot | 00:04 |
| infobot | it has been said that infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! | 00:04 |
| ff_ | ~powervr | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys powervr | 00:05 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'powervr' by key returned no results. | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues powervr | 00:05 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'powervr' by value returned no results. | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues pvr | 00:05 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'pvr' by value (6): weathercode roxas ;; toppy ;; port 4006 ;; toppy #DEL# ;; port 4002 ;; weathercode vila real. | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys pvr | 00:06 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'pvr' by key (3): airport pvr ;; weathercode rpvr ;; weathercode lpvr. | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~status | 00:07 |
| infobot | Since Sun Jan 8 22:03:08 2017, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 5 commands. I have been awake for 3m 59s this session, and currently reference 119643 factoids. I'm using about 79256 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2.13/0.09 child 0/0 | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo | 00:07 |
| ff_ | did you create this infobot, DocS? | 00:07 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (17 of 115): #maemo 9 ;; #maemo bmo ;; #maemo bootloop ;; #maemo broken ;; #maemo clone-rootfs ;; #maemo dmo ;; #maemo emmc2 ;; #maemo emmc3 ;; #maemo expired-key ;; #maemo fam ;; #maemo hot ;; #maemo kbd ;; #maemo kp ;; #maemo l1_2 ;; #maemo lazyflashing ;; #maemo logs ;; #maemo mhd. | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ff_: nope | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~owner | 00:07 |
| infobot | TimRiker is my owner | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ff_: I'm only (one of) admin of the bot | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I can kick her ass ;-) | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help die | 00:09 |
| infobot | no help on die. Use 'help' without arguments. | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 00:09 |
| ff_ | is it only this channel, or it needs manually start? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~chaninfo | 00:10 |
| infobot | 122/122 channels, 4543 users, 3471 unique: #debian/1647, #kde/520, #gsoc/258, #devuan/168, #asterisk/165, #maemo/160, #wowuidev/147, #oe/121, #wowace/94, #neo900/82, #cubieboard/56, #harmattan/55, #bzflag/49, #arm-netbook/49, #wowhead/46, #qi-hardware/46, #meego/46, #openmoko/42, #utah/41, #curseforge/40, #maemo-ssu/39, #elinux/36, #openmoko-cdevel/33, #webos-internals/32, #asterisk-dev/32, #brlcad/27, #uphpu/24, #slug/23, #sc2mapster/23, ... | 00:11 |
| ff_ | nice | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes^H always after netsplits, the bot doesn't log in again | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so I reboot it via ssh | 00:12 |
| ff_ | it can be helpfull | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is, unless people simply reject it | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in some channels the concept of an infobot isn't appreciated | 00:13 |
| ff_ | the matter of choice | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without infobot i'd feel lost. I wouldn't know all the URLs I offloaded to her, particularly | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 00:15 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 00:15 |
| ff_ | ~eink | 00:16 |
| ff_ | something like n900 with eink & lcd display would be fantastico :) | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe yes | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e-ink 11" rolled up to only form a 10mm*25mm*<height of display> device | 00:19 |
| ff_ | and with a litte bit more of memory, cpu as second but ya | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would 4 times the memory suffice? ;-) | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still no e-ink, but... neo900 at least provides as much memory as technically feasible | 00:20 |
| ff_ | min 512MB, 1GB is fine, 2GB with maemo will be great | 00:21 |
| ff_ | but it's pricey | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2GB isn't feasible on OMAP3 | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | missing addr lines | 00:25 |
| ff_ | r0kk3rz sed: "I think for mass appeal and ease of procurement it should be a straight forward android device with a keyboard. After delivery we can worry about porting various operating systems to it, like fremantle or sailfish or whatever people want. | 00:25 |
| ff_ | I know many people here wont like that idea, but its the best way to keep costs down maximise volume" | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd need paging, like on early DOS PCs | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't fly | 00:26 |
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| ff_ | so, with OMAP3 is 1GB max? | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't compete to Samsung, LG et al on an android playground, when your only seeling point is a hw lbd | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | selling* | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | selling point is a hw keyboard* - now | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually you can't port fremantle to all arbitrary android devices. Not only because of fremantle closed blobs (which we mostly REed meanwhile) but particularly because of android closed blobs for the hardware | 00:30 |
| ff_ | struggle on two sides, hm it can be more difficult then I thought in first glance | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if porting would be that easy, then maemo6 aka HARM(attan) aka N9's OS would have ported to a vast number of more recent hardware already | 00:35 |
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| ff_ | many devs probably is trying it already | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Jolla tried to implement a maemo resurrection called sailfish (based on nemo/mer) *on top* of existing Android hardware abstraction layer. Seems while they achieved to roll out something, the appeal of maemo got lost | 00:38 |
| ff_ | or maybe few, because they know :) | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I for one barely touch my jolla phone once a year, since the hardware-introduced quirks suck donkey balls. E.G you can't do a clean full reflash on jolla phone, since Jolla Inc doesn't own the copyright to the blobs and thus can't provide a full "firmware image" to do a full reflash of that snapdragon crap in jollaphone | 00:41 |
| ff_ | so, is it music of past - light, clean, fast, mobile OS? | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike many others, I consider maemo fremantle a viable alternative | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably still the best cleanest comprehensive phone OS I've seen so far | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and right this moment already gets ported to a cheap tablet by freemangordon and a few others | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's the OS of choice for Neo900 | 00:46 |
| ff_ | and still some parts of hardware are great, like fmtx, hw kb and so on | 00:46 |
| ff_ | we'll see what future bring | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope Neo900, "soon". Right now we're in layout of prototype_v2 | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "porting" of fremantle to Neo900 should be a nobrainer | 00:50 |
| ff_ | certainly another opportunities | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf | 00:50 |
| infobot | it has been said that fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 00:50 |
| ff_ | :) | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://xkcd.com/1782/ :-P | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "2078: He announces that he's finally making the jump from screen+irssi to tmux+weechat." LOL | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | must be ME | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, I never really used irssi | 01:00 |
| ff_ | :) | 01:02 |
| ff_ | beauty of simplicity | 01:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~irc | 01:30 |
| infobot | irc is, like, Welcome to IRC, where the men are of reduced skin pigmentation, the women are all above average, and the little girls are FBI agents. Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough. | 01:30 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: would you mean tmux+weechat+glowing-bear? | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, never heard of the latter | 02:07 |
| xes | https://github.com/glowing-bear/glowing-bear | 02:10 |
| xes | git clone it in a subfolder of your apache rootdir and you are done | 02:11 |
| buZz | hmmf oneclick install of CSSU seems to not work here, lets reflash from 0 :P | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 03:01 |
| buZz | fresh n900 flash (lazy flasher) and oneclick testing cssu | 03:01 |
| buZz | going for attempt #2 | 03:01 |
| buZz | :P | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | result? | 03:01 |
| buZz | on attempt #1 i ended up with constant portrait mode, a 'zoomed out screen' and no working application launcher | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 03:02 |
| buZz | hm? | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like major crash | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gigantic failure | 03:02 |
| buZz | oh ok, thought you ment there was an obvious error :P | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, absolutely non-obvious and scary | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please make sure to let device finish optimization after full-flash | 03:04 |
| buZz | ah its fine, its just a fresh flash | 03:04 |
| buZz | how could i be sure? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, wait 5 minutes ? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after first reboot | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also make sure to do a full-reflash, not only rootfs | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad tricky to actually know if immediately after full-reflash the device already booted and started optimization, or it's still waiting for reboot that it often needs to get triggered manually after flash | 03:08 |
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| fishbulb | is there a tool for transferring contacts numbers and calendar dates to android? | 03:08 |
| fishbulb | from n900 | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 03:08 |
| fishbulb | my last one has died | 03:08 |
| fishbulb | and texts | 03:09 |
| fishbulb | I assume that stuff can't be stored on the simcard | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, can't | 03:09 |
| fishbulb | how can I transfer it to an android phone? | 03:10 |
| fishbulb | it's 2017 and I just got an android handset, and have never tried to transfer the texts numbers and whatnot | 03:12 |
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| fishbulb | is there a way to do this? | 03:19 |
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| buZz | yay, attempt #2 worked | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: great | 03:22 |
| fishbulb | is there a way to transfer stuff from n900 to an android handset | 03:23 |
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| buZz | fishbulb: only way i could think off , is syncing to a pc program first | 03:24 |
| buZz | then sync that to which ever cloud you want to use | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | your data is in backup, this could be another possible approach | 03:24 |
| fishbulb | which backup | 03:24 |
| fishbulb | I don't have any program to sync to | 03:25 |
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| fishbulb | does one exist? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | contacts can also get exported as vcard | 03:25 |
| fishbulb | what's that | 03:26 |
| fishbulb | can it be converted to a format some android thing can use/ | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in backup, files are in e.g. YourBackupDir/comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.calendar/calendardb.backup | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody knows android in here | 03:28 |
| fishbulb | nobody uses a phone from this decade? | 03:28 |
| fishbulb | ever? | 03:29 |
| fishbulb | and you can speak for everyone? | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | $YourBackupDir is the name you gave to the backup in backup app | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *plonk* | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can speak for the #channel | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please /join #android and ask there, about any android related questions | 03:31 |
| fishbulb | that is so incredibly pedantic | 03:32 |
| buZz | i know android | 03:32 |
| buZz | android usually doesnt store contacts or txt msgs on the device | 03:32 |
| buZz | its in the cloud man | 03:32 |
| buZz | dependancy on external servers, thats whats android about | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm incredibly pedantic when it's about incredibly arrogant and insulting users | 03:33 |
| fishbulb | what is android? | 03:34 |
| fishbulb | phones that weren't made in 2009 don't exist | 03:34 |
| fishbulb | buZz, the only thing that HAS to be linked to the phone is a gmail address | 03:34 |
| buZz | eh sure | 03:34 |
| buZz | either way, most storage on a android is in sqlite dbs | 03:34 |
| fishbulb | but how to get the contacts and conversations and stuff from the n900 to something else | 03:34 |
| buZz | 02:24:16 < DocScrutinizer05> your data is in backup, this could be another possible approach | 03:35 |
| buZz | 02:28:15 < DocScrutinizer05> in backup, files are in e.g. YourBackupDir/comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.calendar/calendardb.backup | 03:35 |
| fishbulb | what format is that though | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is indeed a sql dump | 03:35 |
| fishbulb | are they the same format? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course not | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/var/lib/gconf/apps/activesync/ActiveSyncAccount1 whatever that is | 03:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.osso-abook/ prolly is supposed to have the contacts | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually nope, it's in comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db/* | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | grep BEGIN:VCARD -A5 Root/home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db/addressbook.db | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/24965102 | 03:48 |
| fishbulb | that's what came out? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | VCARD format is the one most likely understood by any phone | 03:50 |
| fishbulb | and that's the format from grep begin etc? | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 03:50 |
| fishbulb | this should go in a wiki | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/53775961 | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/42363782 | 03:58 |
| fishbulb | I don't get it, did that work as a vcard format? | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lmgtfy vcard | 04:09 |
| * infobot thinks you should look here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vcard | 04:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard#vCard_3.0 | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply open slider, click on desktop background, type a letter on kbd -> "Contacts" opens. Click menu, click button "export" | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | follow the instructions as displayed on screen, after that | 04:15 |
| fishbulb | I did not know that | 04:15 |
| fishbulb | that is a good feature | 04:15 |
| fishbulb | is there a common format for sms "conversations" ? | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, those are in comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/backup.tgz/utar://el-v1.db | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | format of el-v1.db is largely unknown, afaik | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway looks like a SQL dump in backup | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/54273619 | 04:24 |
| fishbulb | so what's the difference between sqlite dbs and "dump" | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | INSERT INTO "Events" VALUES(14,3,7,1279364669,1279364615,1279364669,1,0,0,0,'ring/tel/ring','<SelfHandle>','o2 Team',NULL,'Lieber o2 Kunde, Ihr/e o2 Internet Pack L wird am 18.07.2010 automa tisch für Sie verlängert, sofern Ihr Guthaben ausreichend ist.','o2 Team',0,0); | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is dump, while sqlite binary is cluttered with gibberish | 04:26 |
| fishbulb | gibberish that a phone can make sense of apparently? | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it has the app knowing the database structure, then yes | 04:27 |
| fishbulb | buZz said android used it | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that doesn't mean a thing, like "device XYZ uses Windows" | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sqlite is a database | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a variant of generic SQL database engines | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/25858557 | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more complete: http://paste.opensuse.org/18792784 | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventlogger (el) [version 1: -v1] is a virtual service created by several apps in cooperation, on maemo. It stores SMS, calls etc in that sqlite database el-v1.db | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never heard of a export feature for SMS | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway running "sqlite3 <el-v1db" (the untarred unzipped dump file from backup: comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/backup.tgz/utar://el-v1.db ) would recreate the complete database on any device that knows SQL(ite). Then you _could_ try to make sense of the database, by running SQL queries against it | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the start of the dump gives a faint idea what the db looks like and what it does: http://paste.opensuse.org/68119884 | 04:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | way down it creates a table for calls: | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CREATE TABLE Remotes (local_uid TEXT NOT NULL,remote_uid TEXT NOT NULL,remote_name TEXT,abook_uid TEXT,UNIQUE(local_uid,remote_uid)); | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | INSERT INTO "Remotes" VALUES('ring/tel/ring','+491779911','Voicemail','osso-abook-vmbx'); | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and VoIP calls: INSERT INTO "Remotes" VALUES('sofiasip/sip/_XxxXXxxx_40sipgate_XXxxXX','sip:0xxxxxxxxx@sipgate.de','sip:0911xxxxx@sipgate.de',NULL); | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually multople linked tables | 04:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | CREATE TABLE Events (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY,service_id INTEGER NOT NULL,event_type_id INTEGER NOT NULL,storage_time INTEGER NOT NULL,start_time INTEGER NOT NULL,end_time INTEGER,is_read INTE GER DEFAULT 0,flags INTEGER DEFAULT 0,bytes_sent INTEGER DEFAULT 0,bytes_received INTEGER DEFAULT 0,local_uid TEXT,local_name TEXT,remote_uid TEXT,channel TEXT,free_text TEXT,group_uid TEXT, outgoing BOOL DEFAULT 0, mc_profile BOOL DEFAULT 0); | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | INSERT INTO "Events" VALUES(1,1,1,1277619432,1277619432,0,0,0,0,0,'ring/tel/ring',NULL,'+491779911',NULL,NULL,NULL,1,0); | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | end time in "events" table in el-v1.db is only correctly filled with values when you added the storwed procedures as of http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/eventsdb_calllog_triggers.sh | 04:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 pukes in direction "Events" vs "events" | 04:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are SQL table names case sensitive? | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ARRRGH!!!! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6134006/are-table-names-in-mysql-case-sensitive | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia devels, once more. They really never will get their shit sorted with case sensitivity | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | camera-ui anybody? where storing photos broke thanks to maemo creating an uppercase dir but trying to write to a lowercase dir, which *only* works on DOS filesystems, but for sure not on ext3 or somesuch | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you still see the fallout of devels learning "computer" on MS crap every day, when you e.g. look at *.jpg vs *.JPG | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't get me started about 8.3 | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3_filename | 05:16 |
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| buZz | is that official nokia case any good? | 12:43 |
| buZz | the CP-321 | 12:43 |
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| KotCzarny | its a case, not even a security latch | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | only positive factor it's the size of n900 | 12:44 |
| buZz | hmhm | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | so it might be a tight fit | 12:47 |
| buZz | any other recommendations? its mostly just for storage, doesnt have to be able to use it from inside | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | what is the use case? | 12:47 |
| buZz | 'join pile of other maemo devices' | 12:47 |
| buZz | :P | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | not enough data :P | 12:48 |
| buZz | :P | 12:49 |
| buZz | i have the 770, n800, n810 and n900 , just as collectables | 12:49 |
| buZz | all have original nokia cases | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | then surely go for it | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | as its original nokia case | 12:49 |
| buZz | ^_^ | 12:49 |
| buZz | its the only nokia case for n900, right? | 12:50 |
| buZz | oh, CP-408 is also one .. hmm | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | grab both | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | they are cheap | 12:54 |
| buZz | cant find the cp-408 for sale on ebay | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | check amazon | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cp.408 looks weird - how would you slide it open without the display latching up in the brackets? | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | you dont, you scrap the paint eventually | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CP-321 looks similarly inconvenient in a different way | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | its mostly for hwkb-less usage | 13:09 |
| Michael_a380 | I use a Lowepro. It's a camera case, but still a nice fit. | 13:14 |
| Michael_a380 | yeah, fiddling with a zip all the time | 13:16 |
| buZz | CP-321 is ideal i think | 13:18 |
| buZz | matches the case i have for N810 | 13:18 |
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| Michael_a380 | Going to soon have a look at this: http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/nerang/phone-accessories/bulk-lot-of-nokia-phone-accessories/1121434332 | 13:23 |
| Michael_a380 | Anything paticular to look out for (valuable), that would make it worthwhile? | 13:24 |
| buZz | new batteries :) | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | usb/dcin adapters, >1A chargers | 13:25 |
| Michael_a380 | It would be all 'old stock', shelf life may not be good for batteries | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | original car charger > any chinese noname crap | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | and other car/bike/case accessories you would use | 13:26 |
| fishbulb | how do you get vcard 3.0 to a csv format android can use | 13:29 |
| fishbulb | because if you export contacts from n900 it ends up as hundreds of individual .vcf files | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | fishbulb: use bluetooth to transfer all contacts to android phone | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | or just cat *.vcf >../big.vcf and try to load it on android | 13:30 |
| fishbulb | use bluetooth? | 13:31 |
| fishbulb | I don't think I've ever successfully transferred a file with bluetooth on anything | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | not file. 'share contacts' | 13:32 |
| fishbulb | with what? | 13:32 |
| Michael_a380 | Do you have 2 phones connected with bluetooth? | 13:32 |
| Michael_a380 | * to each other. | 13:35 |
| fishbulb | now I do, surprisingly | 13:36 |
| fishbulb | I tried to share the contacts and it failed immediately | 13:38 |
| Michael_a380 | If my brother finds his Android, I may be able to try it. | 13:40 |
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| fishbulb | I can pair them but how do I share contacts | 13:45 |
| fishbulb | I've tried all the sync and transfer methods | 13:45 |
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| fishbulb | none worked | 13:45 |
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| fishbulb | it won't share contacts | 13:46 |
| Michael_a380 | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66166 | 13:47 |
| fishbulb | thanks but that's 5 years ago | 13:49 |
| fishbulb | android/google has changed a little bit | 13:49 |
| fishbulb | 7 years ago I mean | 13:49 |
| Michael_a380 | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95456 | 13:52 |
| Michael_a380 | It's been done before (2015) | 13:53 |
| Michael_a380 | At least you know, it should be possible | 13:54 |
| fishbulb | what is "contacts app" | 13:54 |
| fishbulb | that post just says "can you share them via bluetooth with contacts app" | 13:54 |
| fishbulb | then "yes" | 13:55 |
| fishbulb | contacts app on what | 13:55 |
| fishbulb | I've got them paired | 13:55 |
| fishbulb | tried "sharing contacts" with the transfer and sync thing in the n900 menu | 13:56 |
| fishbulb | the transfer fails all the time | 13:56 |
| fishbulb | n900 settings menu | 13:56 |
| Michael_a380 | So, you went through "Export contacts wizard"? | 14:04 |
| Michael_a380 | on n900 | 14:04 |
| fishbulb | yeah it doesn't transfer anything | 14:05 |
| fishbulb | the phones are both paired, a galaxy s5 and n900 | 14:05 |
| fishbulb | I exported the contacts to the sd card, and it's hundreds of individual .vcf files | 14:06 |
| fishbulb | exported them as vcard 3.0 | 14:06 |
| Michael_a380 | I only get up to "Export contacts 4/5: Folder and location". The Android doesn't show up for selecting location, for me ATM | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | save to file, then send the file? | 14:11 |
| fishbulb | it saves to individual vcard files only | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | did you try the 'cat' trick ? | 14:12 |
| fishbulb | which cat trick | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | cat *.vcf > ../big.vcf | 14:12 |
| fishbulb | it doesn't work | 14:25 |
| Michael_a380 | how many contacts to transfer? | 14:27 |
| fishbulb | too many to do each one | 14:27 |
| fishbulb | a shitload, I've had an n900 forever, this is the first time I've had to transfer any contacts to any other device | 14:28 |
| fishbulb | having a phone is critical, unfortunately I need to use android for a while | 14:29 |
| Michael_a380 | Maybe a bug developed some time. Do you have or know of anyone else with an n900? It may work with a "middle man" (just a guess). | 14:32 |
| fishbulb | your random vague guessing isn't really helping | 14:32 |
| fishbulb | there are 3 n900's here, is there something specific you're suggesting | 14:33 |
| Michael_a380 | I would try syncing with another n900 that is closest to original stock. Then see if that phone can sync with the android. | 14:36 |
| Michael_a380 | Or first see if the other 2 n900_s can sync contacts with the android | 14:37 |
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| ceene | i was able once to synchronize google contacts even with picture | 15:30 |
| ceene | but i don't remember how i did it | 15:30 |
| ceene | :( | 15:30 |
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| fishbulb | I cut the simcard down | 16:07 |
| fishbulb | but the n900 doesn't save contacts to sim anyway does it? | 16:08 |
| buZz | no phone since the 90s doest that | 16:08 |
| buZz | -t | 16:08 |
| buZz | it wont fit | 16:08 |
| fishbulb | I dunno, it was on some instructions I found | 16:09 |
| bencoh | s/90s/smartphones/ | 16:10 |
| bencoh | even 2000s phones still did, some by default, some by choice | 16:10 |
| buZz | anyone wants a N95 ? :P | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks, not anymore | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though... it's a cool device | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | got a N97 mini for the ECI tests | 16:24 |
| buZz | nice | 16:24 |
| buZz | i just want a N9 , sender misunderstood ;) | 16:24 |
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| fishbulb | what do you need an n9 for? | 16:47 |
| fishbulb | I have one and I really wish it worked | 16:48 |
| fishbulb | there is a chicken/egg recursive loop problem of it needing something before it can install something else | 16:49 |
| fishbulb | is an n9 useful to anyone | 17:10 |
| fishbulb | I'll trade 2 n900 and one N9 for that motherboard that's coming out | 17:11 |
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| fishbulb | I'll trade 3 n900 handsets and one n9 for anything | 17:25 |
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| Vajb | KotCzarny: integrated | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | that also can be good | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you wont worry about graphics chip desoldering | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | amd running much cooler | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | *and | 19:09 |
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| Vajb | yup and pefromance wise i looked that it discrete card had only 20 points advantage | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | depends on discrete card | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | on my t500, ati 3650 is ~2x faster than integrated | 19:37 |
| Vajb | well the one and only listed in t520 part in wikipedia | 19:37 |
| Vajb | nvidia nvs 4500 if recall it right | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T520 | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | this is the site you should bookmark | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | once you start yourself on thinkpads | 19:38 |
| Vajb | 4200 actually | 19:39 |
| Vajb | yes it was different wiki but information was accurate enough :) | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, they look very close in benchmarks | 19:41 |
| Vajb | bookmarked btw | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | but for 3d dedicated 1gb is nice | 19:42 |
| Vajb | sure thing, but i patted myself on back by thinking that if play it'll be something like BG1 | 19:43 |
| Vajb | if i* | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | how do you like it so far? was the upgrade noticeable? | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | would you do it again? | 19:43 |
| Vajb | well didn't get it yet actually, but bothered seller with one last detail ;) | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | get the Type string | 19:45 |
| Vajb | he is waiting the transaction to be visible in bank and then sending | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | ie. Type xxxx-yyy | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | it will describe config in detail | 19:45 |
| Vajb | i already know most of the details, but i'll let u know when i see it | 19:49 |
| Vajb | i did quick comparision in cpuboss and amazingly it should have more bunch than my gf's old laptop | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:49 |
| Vajb | didn't tell that to her because she paid more ;) | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i will never buy new laptop | 19:50 |
| Vajb | hmm punch actually | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | brunch | 19:50 |
| Vajb | think i wont either | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | silicon gets old, but those old devices would probably work longer than currently sold ones | 19:51 |
| Vajb | well if they r anything similiar to modern phones they will | 19:53 |
| Vajb | my friends complain that their 2yo old phones became too slow and unresponsive that they had to bought new | 19:53 |
| Vajb | cool that site has maintenance manual | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it has plenty of model specific hacks too | 19:54 |
| Vajb | i see that there is 8 different cpu's for this model. If i happen to find say quad core which is mentioned in list. I suppose it just fits and works? | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | in t series cpu is socketed | 20:09 |
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| KotCzarny | you can browse thinkpad forums to see what hackers managed to cram into that model | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | (forum.thinkpads.com) | 20:20 |
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| Vajb | oh i see. So far i saw just a little difference between cpu's | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | well, some folks were upgrading to quad cores, higher freqs etc | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | if chip has same TDP, it should be safe upgrade | 20:33 |
| Vajb | tdp? | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | but since you wouldnt be needing it for serious work even dual core will suffice | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | thermal design power | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | 'how much heat this thingie will radiate' | 20:34 |
| Vajb | ah ok | 20:34 |
| Vajb | hmm i just realised that there has been full hd version also. I had that on my features whished list, but i dropped it since no offers of such devices | 20:35 |
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| KotCzarny | if its 1600x900 its also very nice | 20:41 |
| Vajb | yup. I suppose it scales down well | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | that's what i have now 1680x1050 | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | well, a bit more ;) | 20:43 |
| Vajb | yeah slightly | 20:43 |
| Vajb | but comparing that to my current laptop makes me happy or atleast wishfull | 20:47 |
| Vajb | this has celeron 530 | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=18168 | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | they will get shot 'because it's chinese'. which is a pity if they really want to make good phones | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | though since its only chinese market right now, who knows | 20:53 |
| Vajb | that description kinda sounded like the description of my friends new chinese phone... | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | 4gb of ram, 64gb of storage, dual amplifier, snapdragon 430, x6 lte. | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | so much specs wasted on android, eh | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | quick, someone email them about alternative os! just say that we would need open drivers and they have a winner ;) | 20:55 |
| Vajb | www.vernee.cc | 20:56 |
| Vajb | and it didn't say hwkbd | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. so another toy | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | and that helio looks like iphone knock off | 20:57 |
| Vajb | well to me they all look like each other | 20:58 |
| Vajb | too thin to hold properly too wide to fit in jeans pocket | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | too shiny to do anything serious? | 20:59 |
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| Vajb | impossible to do anything serious | 21:00 |
| Vajb | well other than use facebook and instagram | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | and looking at pr0^h^h^hscience | 21:02 |
| Vajb | plus whatsap | 21:02 |
| Vajb | maybe compete who has fastest cpu | 21:02 |
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| kerio | why would i want 32GB of ROM | 21:36 |
| kerio | has android redefined "ROM" to mean "internal writeable storage" | 21:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | You wouldn't, but Android may need it. | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | rom as in flashable immutable image | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | what happens then isnt intereesting | 21:45 |
| kerio | my only practical experience with android is an android x86 VM running on a server | 21:45 |
| kerio | to use whatsapp desktop | 21:45 |
| kerio | (works brilliantly, btw) | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | google plans to make it global | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | ie. all data/things on their servers | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | its just that wolrd isnt ready | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | you cant even store user's data outside native country | 21:46 |
| kerio | nah, whatsapp has actual security | 21:46 |
| kerio | it's not a google product | 21:46 |
| kerio | i mean, not thanks to whatsapp or facebook | 21:47 |
| kerio | they just grabbed moxie and told him to turn whatsapp into signal | 21:47 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | "actual security" whatsapp was known to have poor encryption, hence all the broken third party apps over the years. | 21:57 |
| kerio | yeah | 22:00 |
| kerio | that's why they grabbed moxie and told him "do your thing" | 22:00 |
| kerio | and then he did the thing | 22:00 |
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| KotCzarny | https://cyph.ws | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I think the odd definition of "ROM" is older than Android | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's indeed exactly< what you suspect | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "ROM" means basically what we call rootfs | 22:51 |
| kerio | but it's not read only :< | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or "combined" | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | idiots | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if and when they will make a hacked "ROM" for my S60 | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, you cant mount fiasco image, you have to rebuild | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | in that sense its ro | 22:53 |
| kerio | huh | 22:53 |
| kerio | no, that android phone has a 32gb emmc | 22:53 |
| kerio | aiui | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, 'rom' is a buzzword | 22:54 |
| buZz | oh? | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | and it doesnt mean anything it was meant originally | 22:54 |
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| KotCzarny | sleepy time, nite folks! | 22:55 |
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