IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2017-01-07

OksanaaYes, addressbook may need something like name@server or something.00:00
Vajboh well enough of making smart comments of features i can't implement. Better for me to go to sleep :)00:01
OksanaaI can understand this "select a server" for SIP since SIP allows for cross-server speaking. But IRC isn't cross-server00:01
ff_have anyone seen "HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered" in dmesg on n900?00:13
ff_after reflash system and recover configurations this problem appears here00:16
OksanaaDoes it look like ?00:17
povbot_Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU00:17
ff_kernel module pvrsrvkm is faul or is Xorg problem?00:18
ff_yes, that bug00:18
OksanaaNot responding via UI... Is it possible to ssh into it and restart UI? Does it solve the freeze?00:19
ff_before reflash phone works fine for weeks00:20
ff_simple script can detect this state and automatically reboot but this is quite poor solution00:21
OksanaaNot reboot. Killall hildon-desktop, rather00:22
OksanaaIf it helps ^00:22
ff_after reflash & recover this bug appears in two, three days00:22
OksanaaI have met this bug long ago, but I am not an expert on it. Also, I rarely reflash; broken charging port00:24
ff_killall hildon-desktop probably will reboot, but I check it00:25
OksanaaNot as root! Just as user00:25
OksanaaIf done as user, the device will not reboot. GUI will hopefully be restarted and unfrozen.00:26
OksanaaAnd don't repeat it many times in a row, watchdog will not like it ( and hence, will reboot )00:26
ff_ok, so I check it now, wait a minute00:28
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ff__as user rebooted too00:32
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OksanaaWeird. I do killall hildon-desktop as user all the time, along with killall hildon-home and killall hildon-status-menu00:35
ff__maybe some system modification makes differ00:38
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ff__I change stock kernel to kernel power and I did some other memory optimalization00:40
ff__it has only 256MB00:40
OksanaaKernel-power 2.6.28-10power52 over here, on CSSU thumb00:41
OksanaaNo idea about memory optimizations00:42
DocScrutinizer51other optimizations?00:44
ff__I throw webbrowser, modest, image-viewer, tracker out of memory, maybe that makes differ00:45
infoboti heard speedpatch is >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or [bug report]00:45
ff__I don't use speedpatch00:45
ff__probably it's hardware issue, couse it's appear in other devices with this SGX powerVR thing00:47
ff__It is possible to dissable powerVR during boot time?00:47
ff__I don't use it also00:48
OksanaaIs it one of modules in /etc/mce/mce.ini ?00:50
ff__in mce.ini I've Modules=display;keypad;vibrator;led;battery;filter-brightness-als;inactivity;alarm;accelerometer;callstate;camera; homekey;audiorouting00:51
OksanaaSounds same. What does SGX do?00:52
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ff__powervr seems to be part of display module in mce.ini00:53
OksanaaOkay, but switching off entire display would be... Unwise.00:53
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ff__SGX is graphic accelerator00:54
ff__Xorg use it for some 2D acceleration, and games for 3D acceleration00:55
OksanaaThere is /etc/powervr.ini ?00:56
ff__SGX fault appears no matter of ForceExternalZBuffer value00:57
OksanaaAnd /etc/udev/rules.d/10-pvrsrvkm.rules No idea what's the soft and proper way to disable SGX PowerVR from being loaded at startup00:59
ff__command "lsof | grep pvr" give two libs: , maybe one of them make error01:00
ff__me too :(01:00
ff__Xorg use 2D acceleration, this libs has 2D in name...01:04
ff__do you know if that bug appears with stock kernel?01:04
OksanaaI expect it does. First time I encountered this bug it was a pretty vanilla installation, not thumb, and probably not kernel-power. But, it was a long time ago, so not sure.01:05
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Oksanaaff__ : consider asking at #powervr ?01:13
ff__what's that, I'm nooby, it's another room in freenode?01:15
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OksanaaYes :-)  Probably not many people, though01:23
DocScrutinizer05powerVR is the GFX accel with the nasty closed blob firmware01:25
ff__it's possible to disable it at all?01:26
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure how to tell Xserver to not use GFX accel01:27
DocScrutinizer05it *should* work except for some nifty overlay stuff like in mediaplayer-video01:27
DocScrutinizer05also possibly all screens status menu is an overlay01:28
ff__thx Oksanaa, I'm checking it01:28
DocScrutinizer05it _is_ possibly to run a system without SGX PVR, but *maemo* might need some patches to actually work without it01:28
freemangordonno way if you want hildon-desktop01:32
freemangordonff__: that segfault could be caused by a corrupt .pvr image01:33
ff__patches for kernel module or for graphic system?01:33
DocScrutinizer05indeed, or merely by hw waer&tear01:33
freemangordonthose are "screenshots" of applications01:34
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I guess I miss some 'hidden' posts01:35
DocScrutinizer05PVR drivers / firmware notorious to 'segfailt'01:36
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: (no way if you want hildon-desktop) isn't that just for the silly wallpaper animation during sliding desktop screens?01:37
DocScrutinizer05IOW setting parallax=0 would make it dispensable01:38
ff__indeed, it might be corrupt .pvr, because this problem intensify after I reflash & recover some configs01:40
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OksanaaDoes hildon-status-menu menu need it for overlay? Do mediaplayer-video and camera-ui need it, too?01:40
DocScrutinizer05Oksanaa: I guess: yes, yes and yes01:40
OksanaaWhere to find not-corrupt .pvr? And how to put it into place?01:40
DocScrutinizer05while ""need""01:40
DocScrutinizer05also I think PVR 2D is FOSS, only 3D is blob01:41
DocScrutinizer05well, I dumped the essence of all my knowledge with those 4 links I quoted above01:42
DocScrutinizer05see for yourself01:43
ff__ok thx01:43
DocScrutinizer05just one missing factoid: I always hear "compositor" mentioned in context of PVR01:43
DocScrutinizer05I *guess* it's about
ff__and parallax=0 in witch file? I was thinking of transition.ini but ther is no parallax var01:46
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OksanaaRead about modified hildon-desktop, or something01:47
OksanaaSome features are not immediately obvious.01:48
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ff__ok, I have is01:51
ff__ok, I have it, thx01:51
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ff__Oksanaa, are you watching Dudesons or Posse? :>02:16
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DocScrutinizer05setting parallax=0 will prolly not automatically make hildon-desktop not use PVR anymore. It just wouldn't _need_ it anymore, and even that is a far shot by me02:39
DocScrutinizer05when you have a speed warning feature in your car and you set it to 600Mph, this doesn't make it disabled yet02:41
DocScrutinizer05it's just you *could* disable it and the car's user experience wouldn't change. Same with parallax=002:42
infobothmm... mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent!02:44
infobotmatan is probably actually is the new, or
Michael_a380Does it sound a bit odd that a powerbank won't charge after n900 reboot? Would it still be worthwhile to try modifying cable/port (D+/-)? ...  Would 'infobot' work for me when I have "autheticated login"?02:46
DocScrutinizer05what's the problem with infobot?02:49
DocScrutinizer05a powerbank needs a falling edge on VBUS+5V pulled up to 3V7 via a high impedance resistor, rebooting N900 will not do *anything* for that02:50
DocScrutinizer05Michael_a380: to reply your genuine question: infobot doesn't care if you're authenticated or not (unless you try to do admin stuff to it, which is only possible when you're authenticated *and* actually have admin permissions)02:53
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ff__with powerbank you can try this i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x46 ; i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x02 0x8c ; i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x00 0x00 ; i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x4802:55
DocScrutinizer05and yes, modifying cable/port is pretty much a mandatory thing if you want to use that powerbank with N90002:56
Oksanaa.scroll bug bites again.02:56
DocScrutinizer05ff__: this is a tad cripppled02:56
ff__it's set charging for 4.2V and 500mA02:56
DocScrutinizer05won't work for more than 30s02:57
infobotmethinks smscon is
Michael_a380oh, it's working now. Maybe before I was 'logged in' on 2 computers, or maybe just 'syntax'.03:00
ff__is it possible to set charging vals for unlimited time without while loop?03:00
DocScrutinizer05line 197    i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80; # timer reset    is the key03:02
ff__because of selfresetting chip or because of bme?03:02
DocScrutinizer05charger chip has a watchdog timer03:02
DocScrutinizer05with BME running you're lost, it overwrites everything you try to do03:02
DocScrutinizer05stop bme03:02
Oksanaaff__ : No idea what Dudesons or Posse are. Stunt group?.. 8Booth recently suffered a bad landing, broke both legs. Very bad landing. At least, he was able to pull himself out of the pool into which he fell after breaking his legs. Absolute disregard for safety :(03:03
* DocScrutinizer05 guesses -ECHAN03:04
ff__yes, but this is his safty, and this disregard seems to make them more alive, I don't know how to make p.m. here03:11
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DocScrutinizer05try /query <NICK>   maybe?03:13
ff__I was thinking that you are from Finland, and there most of people knows them03:13
DocScrutinizer05I'm from Germany and I'm *totally* missing context03:14
DocScrutinizer05aaaah  [2017-01-07 Sat 01:16:22] <ff__> Oksanaa, are you watching Dudesons or Posse? :>03:15
DocScrutinizer05at least the context been found03:15
ff__thats it03:15
DocScrutinizer05still no clue, but that's ok-ish03:16
DocScrutinizer05I don't know 8Booth either ;-)03:16
OksanaaDocScrutinizer05 : That's from Melbourne, Australia :-)03:18
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DocScrutinizer05Michael_a380: short D+/- and odds are your powerbank will happily charge N900 until the batteries are depleted03:27
DocScrutinizer05if not, make sure you run PR1.3 and keep backlight on03:28
DocScrutinizer05if still no luck, please report back here, pinging me03:28
Michael_a380Thanks very much, Doc03:28
DocScrutinizer05yw :-)03:30
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OksanaaHooray, reboot resolved " WiFi here, Internet aka not here " problem06:30
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KotCzarnyfreemangordon: could it be possible to make h-d-lite, that only uses 2D and disables all those nice-but-not-essential effects?09:02
KotCzarnythat could even be compile time option, so you could work on it further and dont worry about 3d on n90009:03
freemangordonKotCzarny: I doubt, it is not h-d itself but clutter that has to be taught to not use GL :)10:11
freemangordonso for that to happen, h-d should be rewritten to not use clutter but something else10:12
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KotCzarnyfmg, maybe some fallback to simple ops when compiling clutterless10:44
KotCzarnywhat is clutter anyway10:44
KotCzarnysome compositor?10:44
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KotCzarnyoh well. looks like it would be easier to run sgx blob on mainline10:49
freemangordon:nod: :)10:58
freemangordonjonwil: hi!11:08
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* jonwil wishes he could find something to do11:32
jonwilSo bored :(11:32
KotCzarnyjonwil, learn c?11:32
KotCzarnyits fun11:32
jonwilI know C already :)11:33
KotCzarnylearn c better?11:33
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KotCzarnyyou can go to the testing thread and test some apps11:34
jonwilI wanted something to make me LESS bored, I would find testing apps very boring.11:35
jonwilTV is out as an option, the only things on are some crappy movies and some even crappier sport (its a choice of Tennis which is very very boring or Cricket which is one of the few sports more boring than Tennis)11:36
KotCzarnyinfobot: ping11:36
KotCzarnyinfobot: #maemo testing is become a tester, help maemo community!
infobotokay, KotCzarny11:37
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, testing is become a tester, help maemo community!
L29Ahjonwil: learn haskell11:37
KotCzarnyjonwil: i find watching sports very boring, unless its sexy girls or 'splosions11:38
jonwilFound a random video on YouTube to solve my boredom problem :)11:40
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sicelo-23:50 < Vajb> would be nice to have one program less open since telegram-purple can't be minimized to tray <<-- pidgin on maemo can minimize to try12:10
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brolin_empeyjonwil: If you have too much free time, may I offload/outsource/delegate my low-priority jobs to you?12:24
KotCzarnysee his 'less bored' comment12:24
Vajbsicelo-: how exactly is pidgin minimized to tray?12:31
brolin_empeyThe boredom I had as a blissfully-ignorant child has been replaced by procrastination as an adolescent and now a young adult (if an age of almost 30 years still meets the “young” threshold).  There is literally never a single moment that I have nothing to do.  There is literally always something I should be doing but sometimes I procrastinate by doing what I want to do instead of what I should or need to do.12:31
KotCzarnyyoung adult <2512:31
L29Ahyoung adult = porn-worthy and legal12:34
KotCzarnyyoung adult == legal, but not tired with life yet12:34
L29Ah"tired with life"?12:35
sicelo-Vajb: install pidgin-maemo-docklet, enable it in Pidgin - Plugins12:35
KotCzarnyyoung at heart etc12:35
Vajbsicelo-: ok thx will check it out. Do u have some advice for my smiley problem as well?12:36
sicelo-check on tmo .. ther's a procedure to install them .. but i forgot now12:37
sicelo-the keyword is emoji of course12:37
Vajbsicelo-: yes i fetch smiley files and put them to /opt and symlinked to /smileys but they r not working. That's all i found in tmo12:38
sicelo-they work for me12:39
Michael_a380I bought a 'microSD' online & recieved a generic (fake?) one. I did get my money back. Should I test it, or could it do damage?12:40
sicelo-what directory you have them in .. want to check mine12:40
KotCzarnyMichael_a380: safe to test, i havent' heard of fakes damaging anything12:40
KotCzarnydont put any valuable files to it before confirming sanity though12:41
Vajbsicelo-: they r in /opt/unicode-emoji-master and symlink is in /home/user/.purple/smileys12:42
Vajbinside unicode emoji folder r the folders called android,apple + some others. I was thinking that should there just be .png files without any folder structure?12:43
Vajband did u install them somehow in pidgin? I tried to load them as smiley theme but it didn't do anything12:44
sicelo-Vajb: i only installed the apple ones ..12:45
Vajboh and all works?12:45
Vajband u installed them via smiley theme setting in settings?12:46
sicelo-Vajb: yes, you have to select them there12:46
Vajbinstalling tray thing and libnotify plugins now :)12:46
Vajbok i tried selecting them, but it didn't do anything12:47
Vajbhmm i'll try them styraight from /opt instead via symlink12:47
sicelo-i think you need the symlink if you're using /opt ... anyway i have a large /home, so i put them straight in /home without a symlink12:49
Vajbi tried adding them from /opt but didn't work either12:50
sicelo-maybe your symlink isn't working?12:50
Vajbi click add and choose theme file and click ok, but nothing happens. New theme isn't appearing12:51
sicelo-check if you symlinked correctly12:51
sicelo-oh .. what do you expect to see? :)12:51
Vajbwell if i click the symlink in hamsterfiler it bringss me to correct folder12:51
Vajbi expect that apple smiley theme would appear on the list :)12:52
Vajband even that smileys would show up other than broken icons12:52
Vajbin conversation12:52
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Vajbah atleast tray icon works now :)12:54
Vajband notify works12:55
Vajbnow only the smileys12:55
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sicelo-so you don't have something like - ?12:56
Vajbsicelo-: one last question. Do u have smileys in /smiley as files or in subfolder?12:56
KotCzarnyi bet on folder12:56
KotCzarnysince you 'select theme'12:57
Vajbye :/ just trying to figure out what i do wrong12:57
sicelo- 5hey have a directory ..12:57
KotCzarnysicelo, do a pastebin of the dir12:57
sicelo-could be that you didn't save everything from the dir ..12:58
Vajbsicelo-: nope. I don't get that12:58
sicelo-it's not just png files12:58
sicelo-there's also a 'theme' file .. got it?12:58
Vajbäand also Apple Color Emoji.ttf12:59
Vajbthey r all in apple folder12:59
Vajbis it possible that permissions could mess something?12:59
sicelo-hmm, what is the tmo thread with the instructions?12:59
Vajbi suppose not, but...12:59
KotCzarnysicelo do a pastebin of ls -lR13:00
sicelo-yes i'm doing it13:00
KotCzarnyquick tip: ls -lR >1.txt; curl --upload-file 1.txt https://transfer.sh13:01
KotCzarnyand a pwd in that dir13:02
sicelo- it's /home/user/.purple/smileys/apple/13:02
sicelo-Vajb: tmo link?13:03
Vajbim trying that folder structure nows13:03
Vajbok it works now13:04
Vajbso obviously it didn't like my symlink or too deep folder structure13:05
sicelo-so you have how many icon themes?13:06
Vajbwow, what an amazing day13:07
Vajbi just moved apple :)13:07
sicelo-let me know which one you find best after a few days .. i chose the Apple one just randomly .. maybe the others are better, no idea13:07
Vajbbut there is 6 more folders13:07
sicelo-there's a few emojis missing on the Apple one13:07
Vajblemme show the names13:08
KotCzarnyif you move them beside apple dir you will probabbly be able to select them as themes13:08
sicelo-one annoying thing with these themes .. no you cannot write :-) for example .. you need to pick it manually in the list13:08
sicelo-and said list takes very long to come up haha13:09
KotCzarnydelete ugly ones then13:09
Vajbthey r. Apple, android, hangouts-color, noto, noto-color, symbola, twemoji13:10
KotCzarnyyeah, themes13:10
Vajbyeah i noticed that list takes long to appear13:11
KotCzarnyln should look like: ln -s /some/current/path/android /home/user/.purple/smileys/13:11
Vajbbut i don't mind since i use just written smileys, but it is handy to see what others write13:11
Vajbif i put more smiley themes there r they all used or just the one i select from themes?13:12
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KotCzarnyselected one probably13:13
Vajbyeah thought so13:13
KotCzarnythat's what 'theme' would suggest13:13
Vajbwell what would be the purpose of selecting, eh stupid q13:13
KotCzarnybut if some are missing you can probably copy those files from other dir13:13
Vajbhmm and add their lines to theme file too13:14
Vajbhmm would it be possible to compare them13:14
Vajblets see about file names say between apple and android13:14
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Vajbnah no bone. Totally different13:15
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sicelo-i don't think copying would work13:17
Vajbhangouts-color seems to be "biggest" has 1.1k files others r around 0.8k13:17
sicelo-i think the 'theme' file contains the mapping ...13:17
KotCzarnycopy + theme file mapping13:17
Vajbyes it does13:18
sicelo-then the theme will be confused :-)13:18
Vajbit's just matter of selecting file and finding it's mapping13:18
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sicelo-unless you recreate the theme file ... it's a binary format13:18
Vajbopens fine in leafpad :o13:18
Vajbso i thought it's just text13:19
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sicelo-less says it's binary, but i see now13:20
KotCzarnysicelo, confused by utf?13:20
sicelo-possibly :-)13:20
sicelo-'file' detects it just fibe13:20
Vajbhmm what about stickers?13:20
KotCzarnyremember, freemantle is 2010 ;)13:20
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sicelo-Vajb: that i think will be close to impossible :)13:21
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Vajbso they would need new category in pidgin?13:23
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Vajbk i think im going to stick with hangouts theme, coz it has most files13:26
Vajbwill report if i see occasional missing smileys13:26
Vajbin theme listing it says actually android/hangouts13:27
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Vajbhehe now we only need irssi statusmenu-plugin and irssi-notify-plugin13:31
sicelo-tbh, i don't know if we even need statusmenu so much, even for pidgin .. maemo is really good at handling multiple windows13:39
sicelo-as for notify .. if you're using my irssi, then perl is supported .. you can just use any of the scripts from internet to do that13:40
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Vajbsicelo-: of course im using ur irssi :)13:49
sicelo-i'm lazy bastard hehe .. there's irssi 1.0.0 now .. should try build that for N90013:50
Vajband yeah im already used to having irssi always on there13:50
Vajbguess im lazy too. I meant to install now desktop distro during my holiday, but didn't and this is the last weekend of it13:52
Vajboh did i meantion it was two and half weeks...13:53
sicelo-which distro?13:54
Vajbplanning to give ubuntu-mate a go13:55
sicelo-what you using currently?13:55
Vajbcrunchbang linux, but it got discontinued. Im using bunsenlabs repos with it atm as adviced13:56
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Vajbi kinda like it but it could be a lot faster with browser13:59
Michael_a380Looks like 7.9gb instead of stated 264gb. Good thing, I got my money back14:46
KotCzarnyso, free 8gb sdcard?14:46
Michael_a380Yeah. :P14:47
DocScrutinizer05Michael_a380: hehe, you tested the fake uSD?15:47
DocScrutinizer05[2017-01-04 Wed 20:22:05] <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: you never know until you actually do a for (( mb=1; mb<=2000000; mb++ )); do f=printf  '%08d'; echo "%f "; echo "%f " >/mnt/DUTstick/%f; dd if=/mnt/DUTstick/%f of=/mnt/DUTstick/%f bs=1M count=1; done15:48
DocScrutinizer05[2017-01-04 Wed 20:26:59] <DocScrutinizer05> and of course you then need to read back *all* blocks and check if their content == their name15:48
DocScrutinizer05[2017-01-04 Wed 20:31:25] <DocScrutinizer05> like for (( mb=1; mb<=2000000; mb++ )); do f=printf  '%08d'; content=`head /mnt/DUTstick/%f`; [ "%f" -ne "%content"] && break; done15:48
DocScrutinizer05s/f=printf  '%08d';/f=`printf  '%08d' $mb`;/15:50
DocScrutinizer05and of course $f instead of %f, in all but the printf parameter15:51
DocScrutinizer05tzzztzztzz I *must* have been tired15:52
* DocScrutinizer05 looked at man curl first time of his life. Oh WOW, didn't even know15:55
DocScrutinizer05curl != netcat, rather curl = frontend for doing SOAP15:56
Michael_a380Yes, the *256gb microSDHC*. The price was at 10% retail, too good to be true. I used 'H2testw' to try 32gb & results came back with 7.9gb usable.16:04
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Wizzupcurl is a great tool yeah17:04
Wizzupdoes so many things17:04
brolin_empeyIf dog exists as an alternative to cat, does netdog exist as an alternative to netcat?17:06
KotCzarnydog is not viable alternative to cat17:07
KotCzarnydifferent use cases17:07
brolin_empeyI have had dog installed in Cygwin for years but I almost never use dog instead of cat.17:08
KotCzarnyyou know there is a tool named tac ?17:08
DocScrutinizer05the internet is made by cats, not dogs17:10
brolin_empeyKotCzarny: Yes but:17:11
brolin_empey$ god17:11
brolin_empeybash: god: command not found17:11
DocScrutinizer05err "of" not "by":
KotCzarnygod - Fully configurable process monitoring (transitional package)17:12
KotCzarnydo apt-cache search17:12
brolin_empeyKotCzarny: I am using Cygwin, not Debian.17:12
KotCzarnycygwin is a bastard child17:13
brolin_empeyDave Cutler is my hero. ;-)17:13
brolin_empeyDebian has lost its father.17:14
KotCzarnyand sanity too17:14
KotCzarnyor you may call it innocence17:15
KotCzarnysold, brainwashed, doing dirty deeds17:15
MoeIcenowybut NT do not have efficient fork ;-)17:15
brolin_empeyReportedly the Linux subsystem for Windows 10 cannot run Wine. ☹17:18
enycbrolin_empey: interesting concept17:22
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Wizzupbrolin_empey: wine runs on windows, doesn't need the subsystem17:34
KotCzarnywizzup, its not about running windows' version of wine17:35
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Vajbjust realised interesting thing on irssi17:59
Vajbif i press first esc and then pgdn i got ~18:00
KotCzarnyescape seqences18:00
KotCzarnyand char eating18:01
Vajbdunno, but handy anyways18:01
KotCzarnyassuming it doesnt do anything18:01
KotCzarny~ is just a side effect of some bug18:01
Vajbi see18:02
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KotCzarnybug or misconfiguration, terminal types etc18:04
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sicelo-seems to be a terminal thing .. and maybe all terminals do that (or at least many)19:01
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Vajbi thought i found a secret nokia input method ;)21:30
L29Ahscreen keyboard?21:30
Monsieurslide keyboard ?21:31
KotCzarnyescape master shuffler21:31
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PaliMoeIcenowy: win10 now has at least 3 implementations of fork...22:31
Pali(in NT kernel)22:31
KotCzarnyand a kitchen sink22:32
KotCzarnyand eats 2gigs before breakfast22:32
Vajbisn't he a big boy?22:33
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Vajbsicelo-: i did some digging of smileys after some intense telegramming with one group and there is not any smiley theme that would show all of them. So so far im sticking with hangouts version.23:05
KotCzarnypreparing for some cyber?23:05
sicelo-i'm not surprised. thanks. i'm lazy to play with them again, so i'm keeing the Apples :-)23:06
Vajbyes, from set to set they show different "faces" but not one showed them all23:07
sicelo-any luck in copying them across and building a master theme?23:08
Vajbnope. Because i couldn't find a theme to show that one smiley23:09
Vajbit was more like some u see and some u don't and depending of theme u see different smileys23:10
Vajbis it known how devices do that smiley exchange?23:11
KotCzarnyor maybe bunch of apples not talking to droids?23:12
Vajbim asking coz i know one has android and the other has apple. Needles to say that android and apple bonded flawlesly. Maemo, not so23:12
Vajbhmm would it be possible to get smileys "name" from telegram-desktop and copy it over?23:14
Vajbor maybe pidgin will show the name if drop smileys23:15
sicelo-telegram desktop is one huge binary as well23:16
sicelo-the emoji exchange is just unicode text :-)23:16
sicelo-find a unicode font with all of them and you're done23:17
sicelo-but then ... finding one is a different story, of course23:17
Vajbhehe hoped to see smileys "call signal" by swithing to no smileys mode, but that didn't work s i thought23:18
KotCzarnyi've seen arial.ttf 25MB big23:19
sicelo-pidgin shows you the unicode 'code' of a missing emoji23:19
Vajbi wanted to see unicode but what i saw was just chinese looking symbols23:19
KotCzarnynow imagine it rendering all those glyphs23:19
Vajbwell if i look .png files names it didn't look like anything like that23:19
Vajbhmm i just noticed that apple has .ttf file but hangouts don't23:21
sicelo-Vajb: of couse .. the mapping is in the theme file, not the naming of the png files23:21
KotCzarnysure enough there are smileys in this utf range. amazing23:22
KotCzarnymind boggling.23:22
KotCzarnyutf consortium is terminally braindead23:22
KotCzarnysorry, wrong link before23:23
sicelo-okay .. microb was complaining about ssl on that first page23:23
KotCzarnyactual results depend on font used23:24
Vajbbut how come some themes come with .ttf and some don't?23:25
KotCzarnymaybe those that do, include fewer pngs23:25
KotCzarny-rw-r--r--    1 user     users    69039944 Jun 10  2016 Apple Color Emoji.ttf23:26
KotCzarnywth. 70M ttf23:26
sicelo-dunno .. .ttf is a font remember .. so those possibly include a specific font for the regular alphabets for example .. while those that don't inlude ttf will simply use system font23:26
KotCzarnywhat the actual hell23:26
Vajbabout the same23:26
sicelo-of course pidgin on n900 is not likely to display that ttf :)23:27
Vajbhangouts how ever has 1.1k .pngs and no ttd23:27
sicelo-i suppose you could even delete the ttf23:27
KotCzarnymaybe app uses ttf for missing symbols23:27
Vajbi doubt23:28
Vajbfor me i seemed that apple and hangouts show pretty much the same, but android was something totally different. More like grayscale smileys23:29
Vajbhmm it seemed*23:29
Vajboh and in the other notes, i blew the auction of T410. Were toolate with my offer because i didn't have account in hand...23:32
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