| Oksanaa | Yes, addressbook may need something like name@server or something. | 00:00 |
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| Vajb | oh well enough of making smart comments of features i can't implement. Better for me to go to sleep :) | 00:01 |
| Oksanaa | I can understand this "select a server" for SIP since SIP allows for cross-server speaking. But IRC isn't cross-server | 00:01 |
| ff_ | have anyone seen "HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered" in dmesg on n900? | 00:13 |
| ff_ | after reflash system and recover configurations this problem appears here | 00:16 |
| Oksanaa | Does it look like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150 ? | 00:17 |
| povbot_ | Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU | 00:17 |
| ff_ | kernel module pvrsrvkm is faul or is Xorg problem? | 00:18 |
| ff_ | yes, that bug | 00:18 |
| Oksanaa | Not responding via UI... Is it possible to ssh into it and restart UI? Does it solve the freeze? | 00:19 |
| ff_ | before reflash phone works fine for weeks | 00:20 |
| ff_ | simple script can detect this state and automatically reboot but this is quite poor solution | 00:21 |
| Oksanaa | Not reboot. Killall hildon-desktop, rather | 00:22 |
| Oksanaa | If it helps ^ | 00:22 |
| ff_ | after reflash & recover this bug appears in two, three days | 00:22 |
| Oksanaa | I have met this bug long ago, but I am not an expert on it. Also, I rarely reflash; broken charging port | 00:24 |
| ff_ | killall hildon-desktop probably will reboot, but I check it | 00:25 |
| Oksanaa | Not as root! Just as user | 00:25 |
| Oksanaa | If done as user, the device will not reboot. GUI will hopefully be restarted and unfrozen. | 00:26 |
| Oksanaa | And don't repeat it many times in a row, watchdog will not like it ( and hence, will reboot ) | 00:26 |
| ff_ | ok, so I check it now, wait a minute | 00:28 |
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| ff__ | as user rebooted too | 00:32 |
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| Oksanaa | Weird. I do killall hildon-desktop as user all the time, along with killall hildon-home and killall hildon-status-menu | 00:35 |
| ff__ | maybe some system modification makes differ | 00:38 |
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| ff__ | I change stock kernel to kernel power and I did some other memory optimalization | 00:40 |
| ff__ | it has only 256MB | 00:40 |
| Oksanaa | Kernel-power 2.6.28-10power52 over here, on CSSU thumb | 00:41 |
| Oksanaa | No idea about memory optimizations | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | other optimizations? | 00:44 |
| ff__ | I throw webbrowser, modest, image-viewer, tracker out of memory, maybe that makes differ | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~crappatch | 00:45 |
| infobot | i heard speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report] | 00:45 |
| ff__ | I don't use speedpatch | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good | 00:45 |
| ff__ | probably it's hardware issue, couse it's appear in other devices with this SGX powerVR thing | 00:47 |
| ff__ | It is possible to dissable powerVR during boot time? | 00:47 |
| ff__ | I don't use it also | 00:48 |
| Oksanaa | Is it one of modules in /etc/mce/mce.ini ? | 00:50 |
| ff__ | in mce.ini I've Modules=display;keypad;vibrator;led;battery;filter-brightness-als;inactivity;alarm;accelerometer;callstate;camera; homekey;audiorouting | 00:51 |
| Oksanaa | Sounds same. What does SGX do? | 00:52 |
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| ff__ | powervr seems to be part of display module in mce.ini | 00:53 |
| Oksanaa | Okay, but switching off entire display would be... Unwise. | 00:53 |
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| ff__ | SGX is graphic accelerator | 00:54 |
| ff__ | Xorg use it for some 2D acceleration, and games for 3D acceleration | 00:55 |
| Oksanaa | There is /etc/powervr.ini ? | 00:56 |
| ff__ | yes | 00:56 |
| ff__ | SGX fault appears no matter of ForceExternalZBuffer value | 00:57 |
| Oksanaa | And /etc/udev/rules.d/10-pvrsrvkm.rules No idea what's the soft and proper way to disable SGX PowerVR from being loaded at startup | 00:59 |
| ff__ | command "lsof | grep pvr" give two libs: libpvrPVR2D_DRI2WSEGL.so libpvr2d.so , maybe one of them make error | 01:00 |
| ff__ | me too :( | 01:00 |
| ff__ | Xorg use 2D acceleration, this libs has 2D in name... | 01:04 |
| ff__ | do you know if that bug appears with stock kernel? | 01:04 |
| Oksanaa | I expect it does. First time I encountered this bug it was a pretty vanilla installation, not thumb, and probably not kernel-power. But, it was a long time ago, so not sure. | 01:05 |
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| Oksanaa | ff__ : consider asking at #powervr ? | 01:13 |
| ff__ | what's that, I'm nooby, it's another room in freenode? | 01:15 |
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| Oksanaa | Yes :-) Probably not many people, though | 01:23 |
| Oksanaa | http://powervr.gnu.org.ve/doku.php | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | powerVR is the GFX accel with the nasty closed blob firmware | 01:25 |
| ff__ | it's possible to disable it at all? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure how to tell Xserver to not use GFX accel | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* work except for some nifty overlay stuff like in mediaplayer-video | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also possibly all screens status menu is an overlay | 01:28 |
| ff__ | thx Oksanaa, I'm checking it | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it _is_ possibly to run a system without SGX PVR, but *maemo* might need some patches to actually work without it | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | no way if you want hildon-desktop | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Graphics#SGX_software_components http://listas.gnu.org.ve/pipermail/powervr-devel/2012-September/000036.html http://powervr.gnu.org.ve/doku.php https://pandorawiki.org/SGX_drivers | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | ff__: that segfault could be caused by a corrupt .pvr image | 01:33 |
| ff__ | patches for kernel module or for graphic system? | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, or merely by hw waer&tear | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | those are "screenshots" of applications | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I guess I miss some 'hidden' posts | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PVR drivers / firmware notorious to 'segfailt' | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: (no way if you want hildon-desktop) isn't that just for the silly wallpaper animation during sliding desktop screens? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW setting parallax=0 would make it dispensable | 01:38 |
| ff__ | indeed, it might be corrupt .pvr, because this problem intensify after I reflash & recover some configs | 01:40 |
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| Oksanaa | Does hildon-status-menu menu need it for overlay? Do mediaplayer-video and camera-ui need it, too? | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: I guess: yes, yes and yes | 01:40 |
| Oksanaa | Where to find not-corrupt .pvr? And how to put it into place? | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while ""need"" | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also I think PVR 2D is FOSS, only 3D is blob | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I dumped the essence of all my knowledge with those 4 links I quoted above | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see for yourself | 01:43 |
| ff__ | ok thx | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just one missing factoid: I always hear "compositor" mentioned in context of PVR | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *guess* it's about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager | 01:44 |
| ff__ | and parallax=0 in witch file? I was thinking of transition.ini but ther is no parallax var | 01:46 |
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| Oksanaa | Read about modified hildon-desktop, or something | 01:47 |
| Oksanaa | Some features are not immediately obvious. | 01:48 |
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| ff__ | ok, I have is | 01:51 |
| ff__ | ok, I have it, thx | 01:51 |
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| ff__ | Oksanaa, are you watching Dudesons or Posse? :> | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | setting parallax=0 will prolly not automatically make hildon-desktop not use PVR anymore. It just wouldn't _need_ it anymore, and even that is a far shot by me | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you have a speed warning feature in your car and you set it to 600Mph, this doesn't make it disabled yet | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just you *could* disable it and the car's user experience wouldn't change. Same with parallax=0 | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd | 02:44 |
| infobot | hmm... mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~matan | 02:45 |
| infobot | matan is probably actually http://my.svgalib.org/ is the new http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/ | 02:45 |
| Michael_a380 | Does it sound a bit odd that a powerbank won't charge after n900 reboot? Would it still be worthwhile to try modifying cable/port (D+/-)? ... Would 'infobot' work for me when I have "autheticated login"? | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the problem with infobot? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a powerbank needs a falling edge on VBUS+5V pulled up to 3V7 via a high impedance resistor, rebooting N900 will not do *anything* for that | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Michael_a380: to reply your genuine question: infobot doesn't care if you're authenticated or not (unless you try to do admin stuff to it, which is only possible when you're authenticated *and* actually have admin permissions) | 02:53 |
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| ff__ | with powerbank you can try this i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x46 ; i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x02 0x8c ; i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x00 0x00 ; i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x48 | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, modifying cable/port is pretty much a mandatory thing if you want to use that powerbank with N900 | 02:56 |
| Oksanaa | .scroll bug bites again. | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ff__: this is a tad cripppled | 02:56 |
| ff__ | it's set charging for 4.2V and 500mA | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't work for more than 30s | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh | 02:57 |
| Michael_a380 | Thanks. | 02:58 |
| Michael_a380 | ~smscon | 02:59 |
| infobot | methinks smscon is http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON | 02:59 |
| Michael_a380 | oh, it's working now. Maybe before I was 'logged in' on 2 computers, or maybe just 'syntax'. | 03:00 |
| ff__ | is it possible to set charging vals for unlimited time without while loop? | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | line 197 i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80; # timer reset is the key | 03:02 |
| ff__ | because of selfresetting chip or because of bme? | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charger chip has a watchdog timer | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with BME running you're lost, it overwrites everything you try to do | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop bme | 03:02 |
| Oksanaa | ff__ : No idea what Dudesons or Posse are. Stunt group?.. 8Booth recently suffered a bad landing, broke both legs. Very bad landing. At least, he was able to pull himself out of the pool into which he fell after breaking his legs. Absolute disregard for safety :( | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 03:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 guesses -ECHAN | 03:04 | |
| ff__ | yes, but this is his safty, and this disregard seems to make them more alive, I don't know how to make p.m. here | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | try /query <NICK> maybe? | 03:13 |
| ff__ | I was thinking that you are from Finland, and there most of people knows them | 03:13 |
| ff__ | ok | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm from Germany and I'm *totally* missing context | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah [2017-01-07 Sat 01:16:22] <ff__> Oksanaa, are you watching Dudesons or Posse? :> | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least the context been found | 03:15 |
| ff__ | yes | 03:15 |
| ff__ | thats it | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still no clue, but that's ok-ish | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know 8Booth either ;-) | 03:16 |
| Oksanaa | DocScrutinizer05 : That's from Melbourne, Australia :-) | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Michael_a380: short D+/- and odds are your powerbank will happily charge N900 until the batteries are depleted | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if not, make sure you run PR1.3 and keep backlight on | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if still no luck, please report back here, pinging me | 03:28 |
| Michael_a380 | Thanks very much, Doc | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) | 03:30 |
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| Oksanaa | Hooray, reboot resolved " WiFi here, Internet aka 8.8.8.8 not here " problem | 06:30 |
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| KotCzarny | freemangordon: could it be possible to make h-d-lite, that only uses 2D and disables all those nice-but-not-essential effects? | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | that could even be compile time option, so you could work on it further and dont worry about 3d on n900 | 09:03 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: I doubt, it is not h-d itself but clutter that has to be taught to not use GL :) | 10:11 |
| freemangordon | so for that to happen, h-d should be rewritten to not use clutter but something else | 10:12 |
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| KotCzarny | fmg, maybe some fallback to simple ops when compiling clutterless | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | what is clutter anyway | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | some compositor? | 10:44 |
| freemangordon | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(software) | 10:45 |
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| KotCzarny | oh well. looks like it would be easier to run sgx blob on mainline | 10:49 |
| freemangordon | :nod: :) | 10:58 |
| jonwil | hi | 11:02 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: hi! | 11:08 |
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| * jonwil wishes he could find something to do | 11:32 | |
| jonwil | So bored :( | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, learn c? | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | its fun | 11:32 |
| jonwil | I know C already :) | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | learn c better? | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:33 |
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| KotCzarny | you can go to the testing thread and test some apps | 11:34 |
| jonwil | I wanted something to make me LESS bored, I would find testing apps very boring. | 11:35 |
| jonwil | TV is out as an option, the only things on are some crappy movies and some even crappier sport (its a choice of Tennis which is very very boring or Cricket which is one of the few sports more boring than Tennis) | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: ping | 11:36 |
| infobot | ~pong | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: #maemo testing is become a tester, help maemo community! https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525 | 11:37 |
| infobot | okay, KotCzarny | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | ~testing | 11:37 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, testing is become a tester, help maemo community! https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525 | 11:37 |
| L29Ah | jonwil: learn haskell | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil: i find watching sports very boring, unless its sexy girls or 'splosions | 11:38 |
| jonwil | Found a random video on YouTube to solve my boredom problem :) | 11:40 |
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| sicelo- | 23:50 < Vajb> would be nice to have one program less open since telegram-purple can't be minimized to tray <<-- pidgin on maemo can minimize to try | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | 'tray' | 12:11 |
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| brolin_empey | jonwil: If you have too much free time, may I offload/outsource/delegate my low-priority jobs to you? | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | see his 'less bored' comment | 12:24 |
| Vajb | sicelo-: how exactly is pidgin minimized to tray? | 12:31 |
| brolin_empey | The boredom I had as a blissfully-ignorant child has been replaced by procrastination as an adolescent and now a young adult (if an age of almost 30 years still meets the “young” threshold). There is literally never a single moment that I have nothing to do. There is literally always something I should be doing but sometimes I procrastinate by doing what I want to do instead of what I should or need to do. | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | young adult <25 | 12:31 |
| L29Ah | young adult = porn-worthy and legal | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | young adult == legal, but not tired with life yet | 12:34 |
| L29Ah | "tired with life"? | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 12:35 |
| sicelo- | Vajb: install pidgin-maemo-docklet, enable it in Pidgin - Plugins | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | young at heart etc | 12:35 |
| Vajb | sicelo-: ok thx will check it out. Do u have some advice for my smiley problem as well? | 12:36 |
| sicelo- | check on tmo .. ther's a procedure to install them .. but i forgot now | 12:37 |
| sicelo- | the keyword is emoji of course | 12:37 |
| Vajb | sicelo-: yes i fetch smiley files and put them to /opt and symlinked to /smileys but they r not working. That's all i found in tmo | 12:38 |
| sicelo- | they work for me | 12:39 |
| Michael_a380 | I bought a 'microSD' online & recieved a generic (fake?) one. I did get my money back. Should I test it, or could it do damage? | 12:40 |
| sicelo- | what directory you have them in .. want to check mine | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | Michael_a380: safe to test, i havent' heard of fakes damaging anything | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | dont put any valuable files to it before confirming sanity though | 12:41 |
| Vajb | sicelo-: they r in /opt/unicode-emoji-master and symlink is in /home/user/.purple/smileys | 12:42 |
| Vajb | inside unicode emoji folder r the folders called android,apple + some others. I was thinking that should there just be .png files without any folder structure? | 12:43 |
| Vajb | and did u install them somehow in pidgin? I tried to load them as smiley theme but it didn't do anything | 12:44 |
| sicelo- | Vajb: i only installed the apple ones .. | 12:45 |
| Vajb | oh and all works? | 12:45 |
| Vajb | and u installed them via smiley theme setting in settings? | 12:46 |
| sicelo- | Vajb: yes, you have to select them there | 12:46 |
| Vajb | installing tray thing and libnotify plugins now :) | 12:46 |
| Vajb | ok i tried selecting them, but it didn't do anything | 12:47 |
| Vajb | hmm i'll try them styraight from /opt instead via symlink | 12:47 |
| sicelo- | i think you need the symlink if you're using /opt ... anyway i have a large /home, so i put them straight in /home without a symlink | 12:49 |
| Vajb | i tried adding them from /opt but didn't work either | 12:50 |
| sicelo- | maybe your symlink isn't working? | 12:50 |
| Vajb | i click add and choose theme file and click ok, but nothing happens. New theme isn't appearing | 12:51 |
| sicelo- | check if you symlinked correctly | 12:51 |
| sicelo- | oh .. what do you expect to see? :) | 12:51 |
| Vajb | well if i click the symlink in hamsterfiler it bringss me to correct folder | 12:51 |
| Vajb | i expect that apple smiley theme would appear on the list :) | 12:52 |
| Vajb | and even that smileys would show up other than broken icons | 12:52 |
| Vajb | in conversation | 12:52 |
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| Vajb | ah atleast tray icon works now :) | 12:54 |
| Vajb | and notify works | 12:55 |
| Vajb | now only the smileys | 12:55 |
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| sicelo- | so you don't have something like - http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-20170107-125432.png ? | 12:56 |
| Vajb | sicelo-: one last question. Do u have smileys in /smiley as files or in subfolder? | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | i bet on folder | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | since you 'select theme' | 12:57 |
| Vajb | ye :/ just trying to figure out what i do wrong | 12:57 |
| sicelo- | 5hey have a directory .. | 12:57 |
| sicelo- | *they | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, do a pastebin of the dir | 12:57 |
| sicelo- | could be that you didn't save everything from the dir .. | 12:58 |
| Vajb | sicelo-: nope. I don't get that | 12:58 |
| sicelo- | it's not just png files | 12:58 |
| sicelo- | there's also a 'theme' file .. got it? | 12:58 |
| Vajb | yes | 12:58 |
| Vajb | äand also Apple Color Emoji.ttf | 12:59 |
| Vajb | they r all in apple folder | 12:59 |
| Vajb | is it possible that permissions could mess something? | 12:59 |
| sicelo- | hmm, what is the tmo thread with the instructions? | 12:59 |
| Vajb | i suppose not, but... | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo do a pastebin of ls -lR | 13:00 |
| Vajb | telegram-purple-protocol | 13:00 |
| sicelo- | yes i'm doing it | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | quick tip: ls -lR >1.txt; curl --upload-file 1.txt https://transfer.sh | 13:01 |
| sicelo- | http://paste.debian.net/907298/ | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | and a pwd in that dir | 13:02 |
| sicelo- | it's /home/user/.purple/smileys/apple/ | 13:02 |
| sicelo- | Vajb: tmo link? | 13:03 |
| Vajb | im trying that folder structure nows | 13:03 |
| Vajb | ok it works now | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:04 |
| Vajb | so obviously it didn't like my symlink or too deep folder structure | 13:05 |
| sicelo- | ;-) | 13:06 |
| sicelo- | so you have how many icon themes? | 13:06 |
| Vajb | wow, what an amazing day | 13:07 |
| Vajb | i just moved apple :) | 13:07 |
| sicelo- | let me know which one you find best after a few days .. i chose the Apple one just randomly .. maybe the others are better, no idea | 13:07 |
| Vajb | but there is 6 more folders | 13:07 |
| sicelo- | there's a few emojis missing on the Apple one | 13:07 |
| Vajb | lemme show the names | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | if you move them beside apple dir you will probabbly be able to select them as themes | 13:08 |
| sicelo- | one annoying thing with these themes .. no you cannot write :-) for example .. you need to pick it manually in the list | 13:08 |
| sicelo- | and said list takes very long to come up haha | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | delete ugly ones then | 13:09 |
| Vajb | they r. Apple, android, hangouts-color, noto, noto-color, symbola, twemoji | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, themes | 13:10 |
| Vajb | yeah i noticed that list takes long to appear | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | ln should look like: ln -s /some/current/path/android /home/user/.purple/smileys/ | 13:11 |
| Vajb | but i don't mind since i use just written smileys, but it is handy to see what others write | 13:11 |
| Vajb | if i put more smiley themes there r they all used or just the one i select from themes? | 13:12 |
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| KotCzarny | selected one probably | 13:13 |
| Vajb | yeah thought so | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | that's what 'theme' would suggest | 13:13 |
| Vajb | well what would be the purpose of selecting, eh stupid q | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | but if some are missing you can probably copy those files from other dir | 13:13 |
| Vajb | hmm and add their lines to theme file too | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 13:14 |
| Vajb | hmm would it be possible to compare them | 13:14 |
| Vajb | lets see about file names say between apple and android | 13:14 |
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| Vajb | nah no bone. Totally different | 13:15 |
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| sicelo- | i don't think copying would work | 13:17 |
| Vajb | hangouts-color seems to be "biggest" has 1.1k files others r around 0.8k | 13:17 |
| sicelo- | i think the 'theme' file contains the mapping ... | 13:17 |
| KotCzarny | copy + theme file mapping | 13:17 |
| Vajb | yes it does | 13:18 |
| sicelo- | then the theme will be confused :-) | 13:18 |
| Vajb | it's just matter of selecting file and finding it's mapping | 13:18 |
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| sicelo- | unless you recreate the theme file ... it's a binary format | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | oh? | 13:18 |
| Vajb | opens fine in leafpad :o | 13:18 |
| Vajb | so i thought it's just text | 13:19 |
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| sicelo- | less says it's binary, but i see now | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, confused by utf? | 13:20 |
| sicelo- | possibly :-) | 13:20 |
| sicelo- | 'file' detects it just fibe | 13:20 |
| sicelo- | *fine | 13:20 |
| Vajb | hmm what about stickers? | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | remember, freemantle is 2010 ;) | 13:20 |
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| sicelo- | Vajb: that i think will be close to impossible :) | 13:21 |
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| Vajb | so they would need new category in pidgin? | 13:23 |
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| Vajb | k i think im going to stick with hangouts theme, coz it has most files | 13:26 |
| Vajb | will report if i see occasional missing smileys | 13:26 |
| Vajb | in theme listing it says actually android/hangouts | 13:27 |
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| Vajb | hehe now we only need irssi statusmenu-plugin and irssi-notify-plugin | 13:31 |
| sicelo- | :p | 13:38 |
| sicelo- | tbh, i don't know if we even need statusmenu so much, even for pidgin .. maemo is really good at handling multiple windows | 13:39 |
| sicelo- | as for notify .. if you're using my irssi, then perl is supported .. you can just use any of the scripts from internet to do that | 13:40 |
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| Vajb | sicelo-: of course im using ur irssi :) | 13:49 |
| sicelo- | i'm lazy bastard hehe .. there's irssi 1.0.0 now .. should try build that for N900 | 13:50 |
| Vajb | and yeah im already used to having irssi always on there | 13:50 |
| Vajb | guess im lazy too. I meant to install now desktop distro during my holiday, but didn't and this is the last weekend of it | 13:52 |
| Vajb | now=new* | 13:53 |
| Vajb | oh did i meantion it was two and half weeks... | 13:53 |
| Vajb | mention* | 13:53 |
| sicelo- | which distro? | 13:54 |
| Vajb | planning to give ubuntu-mate a go | 13:55 |
| sicelo- | what you using currently? | 13:55 |
| Vajb | crunchbang linux, but it got discontinued. Im using bunsenlabs repos with it atm as adviced | 13:56 |
| sicelo- | ok | 13:57 |
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| Vajb | i kinda like it but it could be a lot faster with browser | 13:59 |
| Michael_a380 | Looks like 7.9gb instead of stated 264gb. Good thing, I got my money back | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | so, free 8gb sdcard? | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:46 |
| Michael_a380 | Yeah. :P | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Michael_a380: hehe, you tested the fake uSD? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-01-04 Wed 20:22:05] <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: you never know until you actually do a for (( mb=1; mb<=2000000; mb++ )); do f=printf '%08d'; echo "%f "; echo "%f " >/mnt/DUTstick/%f; dd if=/mnt/DUTstick/%f of=/mnt/DUTstick/%f bs=1M count=1; done | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-01-04 Wed 20:26:59] <DocScrutinizer05> and of course you then need to read back *all* blocks and check if their content == their name | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-01-04 Wed 20:31:25] <DocScrutinizer05> like for (( mb=1; mb<=2000000; mb++ )); do f=printf '%08d'; content=`head /mnt/DUTstick/%f`; [ "%f" -ne "%content"] && break; done | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/f=printf '%08d';/f=`printf '%08d' $mb`;/ | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course $f instead of %f, in all but the printf parameter | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tzzztzztzz I *must* have been tired | 15:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 looked at man curl first time of his life. Oh WOW, didn't even know | 15:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | curl != netcat, rather curl = frontend for doing SOAP | 15:56 |
| Michael_a380 | Yes, the *256gb microSDHC*. The price was at 10% retail, too good to be true. I used 'H2testw' to try 32gb & results came back with 7.9gb usable. | 16:04 |
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| Wizzup | curl is a great tool yeah | 17:04 |
| Wizzup | does so many things | 17:04 |
| brolin_empey | If dog exists as an alternative to cat, does netdog exist as an alternative to netcat? | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | dog is not viable alternative to cat | 17:07 |
| KotCzarny | different use cases | 17:07 |
| brolin_empey | I have had dog installed in Cygwin for years but I almost never use dog instead of cat. | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | you know there is a tool named tac ? | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the internet is made by cats, not dogs | 17:10 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Yes but: | 17:11 |
| brolin_empey | $ god | 17:11 |
| brolin_empey | bash: god: command not found | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err "of" not "by": http://theinternetismadeofcats.tumblr.com/ | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | god - Fully configurable process monitoring (transitional package) | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | do apt-cache search | 17:12 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I am using Cygwin, not Debian. | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | cygwin is a bastard child | 17:13 |
| brolin_empey | Dave Cutler is my hero. ;-) | 17:13 |
| brolin_empey | Debian has lost its father. | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | and sanity too | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | or you may call it innocence | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | sold, brainwashed, doing dirty deeds | 17:15 |
| MoeIcenowy | but NT do not have efficient fork ;-) | 17:15 |
| brolin_empey | Reportedly the Linux subsystem for Windows 10 cannot run Wine. ☹ | 17:18 |
| enyc | brolin_empey: interesting concept | 17:22 |
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| Wizzup | brolin_empey: wine runs on windows, doesn't need the subsystem | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, its not about running windows' version of wine | 17:35 |
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| Vajb | just realised interesting thing on irssi | 17:59 |
| Vajb | if i press first esc and then pgdn i got ~ | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | escape seqences | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | and char eating | 18:01 |
| Vajb | dunno, but handy anyways | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | assuming it doesnt do anything | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | ~ is just a side effect of some bug | 18:01 |
| Vajb | i see | 18:02 |
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| KotCzarny | bug or misconfiguration, terminal types etc | 18:04 |
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| sicelo- | seems to be a terminal thing .. and maybe all terminals do that (or at least many) | 19:01 |
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| Vajb | i thought i found a secret nokia input method ;) | 21:30 |
| L29Ah | screen keyboard? | 21:30 |
| Monsieur | slide keyboard ? | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | escape master shuffler | 21:31 |
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| Pali | MoeIcenowy: win10 now has at least 3 implementations of fork... | 22:31 |
| Pali | (in NT kernel) | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | and a kitchen sink | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | and eats 2gigs before breakfast | 22:32 |
| Vajb | isn't he a big boy? | 22:33 |
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| Vajb | sicelo-: i did some digging of smileys after some intense telegramming with one group and there is not any smiley theme that would show all of them. So so far im sticking with hangouts version. | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | preparing for some cyber? | 23:05 |
| sicelo- | i'm not surprised. thanks. i'm lazy to play with them again, so i'm keeing the Apples :-) | 23:06 |
| sicelo- | *keeping | 23:06 |
| Vajb | yes, from set to set they show different "faces" but not one showed them all | 23:07 |
| sicelo- | any luck in copying them across and building a master theme? | 23:08 |
| Vajb | nope. Because i couldn't find a theme to show that one smiley | 23:09 |
| Vajb | it was more like some u see and some u don't and depending of theme u see different smileys | 23:10 |
| Vajb | is it known how devices do that smiley exchange? | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe bunch of apples not talking to droids? | 23:12 |
| Vajb | im asking coz i know one has android and the other has apple. Needles to say that android and apple bonded flawlesly. Maemo, not so | 23:12 |
| Vajb | hmm would it be possible to get smileys "name" from telegram-desktop and copy it over? | 23:14 |
| Vajb | or maybe pidgin will show the name if drop smileys | 23:15 |
| sicelo- | telegram desktop is one huge binary as well | 23:16 |
| sicelo- | the emoji exchange is just unicode text :-) | 23:16 |
| sicelo- | find a unicode font with all of them and you're done | 23:17 |
| sicelo- | but then ... finding one is a different story, of course | 23:17 |
| Vajb | hehe hoped to see smileys "call signal" by swithing to no smileys mode, but that didn't work s i thought | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | i've seen arial.ttf 25MB big | 23:19 |
| sicelo- | pidgin shows you the unicode 'code' of a missing emoji | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:19 |
| Vajb | i wanted to see unicode but what i saw was just chinese looking symbols | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | now imagine it rendering all those glyphs | 23:19 |
| Vajb | well if i look .png files names it didn't look like anything like that | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | https://31.135.195.151:20280/_tools/utf-table.php?offs=126976 | 23:21 |
| Vajb | hmm i just noticed that apple has .ttf file but hangouts don't | 23:21 |
| sicelo- | Vajb: of couse .. the mapping is in the theme file, not the naming of the png files | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | sure enough there are smileys in this utf range. amazing | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | mind boggling. | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | utf consortium is terminally braindead | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | http://31.135.195.151:20280/_tools/utf-table.php?offs=126976 | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | sorry, wrong link before | 23:23 |
| sicelo- | okay .. microb was complaining about ssl on that first page | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | actual results depend on font used | 23:24 |
| Vajb | but how come some themes come with .ttf and some don't? | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | maybe those that do, include fewer pngs | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 69039944 Jun 10 2016 Apple Color Emoji.ttf | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | wth. 70M ttf | 23:26 |
| sicelo- | dunno .. .ttf is a font remember .. so those possibly include a specific font for the regular alphabets for example .. while those that don't inlude ttf will simply use system font | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | what the actual hell | 23:26 |
| Vajb | about the same | 23:26 |
| sicelo- | of course pidgin on n900 is not likely to display that ttf :) | 23:27 |
| Vajb | hangouts how ever has 1.1k .pngs and no ttd | 23:27 |
| Vajb | ttf | 23:27 |
| sicelo- | i suppose you could even delete the ttf | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | maybe app uses ttf for missing symbols | 23:27 |
| Vajb | i doubt | 23:28 |
| Vajb | for me i seemed that apple and hangouts show pretty much the same, but android was something totally different. More like grayscale smileys | 23:29 |
| Vajb | hmm it seemed* | 23:29 |
| Vajb | oh and in the other notes, i blew the auction of T410. Were toolate with my offer because i didn't have account in hand... | 23:32 |
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