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| Wizzup | freemangordon: it does very aggressive power saving (the wifi) | 00:16 |
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| MoeIcenowy | freemangordon: it still needs a full MCE... | 09:32 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: so? | 09:41 |
| freemangordon | https://github.com/fremantle-gtk3/mce | 09:41 |
| MoeIcenowy | freemangordon: hd-render-manager.c:3409:44: error: ‘HdRenderManagerPrivate {aka struct _HdRenderManagerPrivate}’ has no member named ‘zoomed’; did you mean ‘home’? | 09:42 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: are you sure you pulled latest? | 09:43 |
| MoeIcenowy | I just recloned several minutes ago | 09:43 |
| freemangordon | as I did clone && build just yesterday on the tablet | 09:43 |
| bencoh | you build on the tablet? | 09:45 |
| freemangordon | yes, why not? | 09:46 |
| MoeIcenowy | I'm now building on PC | 09:46 |
| MoeIcenowy | I commented the error line out, and build passed | 09:47 |
| bencoh | just asking :). as long as someone else still tries crossbuilding it that's fine I guess :) | 09:47 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: hmm, I see, I guess you didn't disable glib cast checks etc | 09:48 |
| MoeIcenowy | I think it's not about cast check... | 09:49 |
| MoeIcenowy | the struct just has no such member... | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | whatever it is to disable g_return_if_fail | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | or rather to make it nop | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | but yes, there is no such member | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | this is a bug in CSSU h-d | 09:50 |
| MoeIcenowy | maybe it should be ok to just remove this line? | 09:50 |
| freemangordon | maybe, but it needs to be verified why it is there at all | 09:51 |
| freemangordon | anyway, me gtg | 09:51 |
| freemangordon | bye | 09:51 |
| MoeIcenowy | bye | 09:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://kb.netgear.com/000036386/CVE-2016-582384 | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "recommendation: don't use those devices until the vulnerability got fixed" | 11:38 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Amusing how it seems to affect only there top line routers | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | different dev teams? | 11:42 |
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| jonwil | Thankfully the Netgear router sitting next to me isn't on the list of vulnerable devices :) | 11:58 |
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| jonwil | Sad to hear that such a prominent member of our community has passed away... | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 12:10 |
| jonwil | I got an email from the community list via chemist saying that Gido Griese aka Win7Mac passed away | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 12:11 |
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| ndnihil | maemo.org main site down? | 12:12 |
| jonwil | https://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=19732545 seems to have the info from what I can see | 12:12 |
| jonwil | or the front page of http://maemo.org/ | 12:12 |
| ndnihil | wiki is up, but main site not connecting | 12:12 |
| jonwil | which seems to be working for me | 12:12 |
| ndnihil | hrm | 12:12 |
| jonwil | anyhow, its sad that such a prominent community member passed away | 12:13 |
| ndnihil | oh shit, who? | 12:13 |
| jonwil | Gido Griese aka Win7Mac | 12:13 |
| ndnihil | sounds familiar, didn't he work on the moko stuff too? | 12:14 |
| jonwil | I dont know, I just know what the info says | 12:15 |
| bencoh | jonwil: "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. " | 12:15 |
| bencoh | thread disappeared? | 12:15 |
| ndnihil | same result for your link here | 12:15 |
| jonwil | try htttp://maemo.org/ | 12:15 |
| jonwil | which does work | 12:15 |
| jonwil | for me at least | 12:15 |
| ndnihil | I've tried from here, from my dallas VPS, and my netherlands VPS | 12:16 |
| bencoh | ah, it's now a TMO notice | 12:16 |
| ndnihil | down everywhere | 12:16 |
| ndnihil | for me | 12:16 |
| jonwil | yeah its now a notice on tmo | 12:16 |
| jonwil | For those who cant see the info, this pastebin | 12:16 |
| jonwil | http://pastebin.com/hKi91Cuu | 12:16 |
| jonwil | is a copy+paste of the text from the front page of maemo.org | 12:17 |
| bencoh | ndnihil: how down? | 12:18 |
| ndnihil | times out | 12:18 |
| bencoh | hmm | 12:18 |
| ndnihil | front page, and downloads | 12:18 |
| ndnihil | was hoping to revive my n900 | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org works for me | 12:18 |
| ndnihil | the gta02 isn't playing too well with this sim | 12:18 |
| bencoh | you might be in some spam/banlist, although I think you should be getting some error message in that case | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, there is a big notice on the front | 12:19 |
| bencoh | something wrong with your ISP maybe | 12:19 |
| ndnihil | did you miss the part where I tried my home connection, and proxies via Dallas and Netherlands? | 12:19 |
| ndnihil | three points of down | 12:19 |
| bencoh | I guess I did | 12:19 |
| bencoh | strange then | 12:20 |
| bencoh | got a traceroute? | 12:20 |
| ndnihil | talk.maemo works, wiki.maemo works | 12:20 |
| bencoh | ah | 12:20 |
| ndnihil | maemo.org does not | 12:20 |
| bencoh | well I dunno why, then | 12:20 |
| ndnihil | yeah, a bit odd | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | 1 rtr (192.168.1.1) 3.134 ms 2.939 ms 6.364 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 2 bialy-bg1.neo.tpnet.pl (83.1.4.211) 25.430 ms 25.787 ms 27.527 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 3 bialy-r1.tpnet.pl (80.50.118.145) 29.346 ms 29.655 ms 30.404 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 4 war-r4.tpnet.pl (194.204.175.29) 35.050 ms 35.555 ms 35.619 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 5 war-b2-link.telia.net (213.248.89.85) 74.997 ms 76.834 ms 77.058 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 6 hbg-bb4-link.telia.net (213.155.133.94) 80.525 ms hbg-bb1-link.telia.net (213.155.133.92) 76.838 ms hbg-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.245.166) 77.570 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 7 hbg-b1-link.telia.net (213.155.135.83) 76.572 ms hbg-b1-link.telia.net (213.155.135.87) 70.299 ms hbg-b1-link.telia.net (213.155.135.83) 67.386 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 8 iphh-ic-316246-hbg-b1.c.telia.net (62.115.144.183) 71.969 ms 71.639 ms 71.237 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 9 te4-4-cr1.hamburg2.iphh.net (213.128.158.38) 63.830 ms 64.006 ms 63.492 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 10 gw.maemo.org (213.128.137.1) 63.844 ms 67.726 ms 67.733 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | 11 www.maemo.org (213.128.137.20) 67.560 ms 68.173 ms 69.615 ms | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | drat. | 12:21 |
| ndnihil | hrm | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | stupid secondary paste buffer | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | sorry about that | 12:21 |
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| ndnihil | might be shitting itself due to adblock stuff | 12:21 |
| ndnihil | works fine on clean browser | 12:21 |
| bencoh | ah | 12:23 |
| ndnihil | however, tablets-dev.nokia.com has no DNS | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | nokia is dead | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | ~tabletsdev | 12:24 |
| infobot | somebody said tabletsdev was http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 12:24 |
| ndnihil | and that's where all the pointers to download firmware are aimed | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | see last link | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | and for a flashing script (that automatically gets files too): | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 12:24 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 12:24 |
| vboxuserx | do somebody knows what's the last maemo firmware for nokia n900? | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | 1.3.1 | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | but use cssu to get updates | 12:27 |
| vboxuserx | thank you | 12:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.3.1 | 13:04 |
| infobot | from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing | 13:04 |
| infobot | lazyflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 13:04 |
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| ndnihil | looks like these mirrors are dropping left and right | 13:37 |
| KotCzarny | not really, you should only need muarf | 13:39 |
| ndnihil | sure, it's the one that works | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos | 13:48 |
| infobot | methinks jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ | 13:48 |
| ndnihil | well that makes things nice and easy | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope so :-) | 13:56 |
| ndnihil | sooo | 13:56 |
| ndnihil | can I buy a neo900 yet? :) | 13:56 |
| * Maxdamantus opens trenchcoat. | 13:57 | |
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| ndnihil | heh, all that and I'm already running the latest | 13:57 |
| ndnihil | no updates | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ndnihil: you can order a Neo900, but it's still under development and shipping will be later | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note that we produce to order and at the time production starts no late orders will be possible for that batch anymore, obviously | 13:59 |
| ndnihil | I'm going to need to upgrade well before then unfortunately | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's highly unclear if there ever will be a second batch getting built | 13:59 |
| ndnihil | still using a droid4 as my daily | 14:00 |
| ndnihil | just bought a used one for $20 so I'd have spares | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I started to occasionally play with an adroid device. It's plain unbearable | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YMMV | 14:01 |
| ndnihil | it's not too bad after you de-google it | 14:01 |
| ndnihil | but I need a physical keyboard | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YEAH! | 14:01 |
| ndnihil | and almost nothing current has that | 14:01 |
| ndnihil | if it does, it's low end junk | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I installed an app "htop" which is exactly what its name says, but *without any kbd input* | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or I'm just too dull to grok how to pop up that damn vkbd in android at will | 14:02 |
| ndnihil | it should pop up as soon as you tap an input field | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even then, such vkbd has no ctrl key, no cursor keys even... >:-( | 14:03 |
| ndnihil | didn't even know htop was available for android | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTOP has no input field | 14:03 |
| ndnihil | I run it here | 14:03 |
| ndnihil | assuming it's the same htop | 14:03 |
| ndnihil | like top, but pretty | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then that shit constantly nags with at least 5 notifiers per day trying to scoop money | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | constantly phones home | 14:05 |
| ndnihil | hah, I have a fix for that too | 14:05 |
| ndnihil | $ cat hosts-big.txt |wc -l | 14:05 |
| ndnihil | 544993 | 14:05 |
| ndnihil | because fuck ads | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hoped for a ssh server to log in to that piece of junk, but... couldn't find one | 14:06 |
| ndnihil | adb over net | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably even quite demanding a task to write a daemon on android | 14:07 |
| ndnihil | closest you'll get without porting it yourself | 14:07 |
| ndnihil | and yeah, huge pain in the ass | 14:07 |
| ndnihil | but to be fair, it's not really a server OS | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL obviously not | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not really an OS | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 14:09 |
| ndnihil | better than iStuff | 14:09 |
| ndnihil | and really, if you get something with a decent rom available (likely cyanogenmod), and flash the minimal gapps package with just play store | 14:12 |
| ndnihil | make a few tweaks | 14:12 |
| ndnihil | and it's entirely usable | 14:12 |
| ndnihil | as long as you have a physical keyboard :) | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | if there is bsp from vendor, you can tune whole thing to usable state | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | i'm currently hacking android for orange pi pc/plus2e | 14:16 |
| KotCzarny | and i must say it works nicely as a youtube/browser box | 14:16 |
| ndnihil | kodi/osmc | 14:17 |
| ndnihil | good stuff | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_S60 | 14:18 |
| ndnihil | oh yeah | 14:18 |
| ndnihil | if they had a verizon version, I'd have one by now | 14:18 |
| ndnihil | been on the list for that since it was first announced | 14:18 |
| ndnihil | I love my flir | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | yup, kodi kodi is really polished product | 14:18 |
| ndnihil | and having it on my phone would be sweet | 14:18 |
| ndnihil | I'd sacrifice the hardware keyboard for that | 14:19 |
| ndnihil | or 3d print one | 14:19 |
| ndnihil | rather 3d print a case that incorporates one | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has no CM | 14:19 |
| ndnihil | nope, and probably never will | 14:19 |
| ndnihil | you'd be stuck rolling your own | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | well, kodi is installable app for android | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/help/cat-s60-snapdragon-617-rootable-t3433018 | 14:20 |
| ndnihil | I prefer the standalone kodi, rather than the app version | 14:20 |
| ndnihil | it's faster | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | i've tried it just out of curiosity | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | to test things | 14:22 |
| ndnihil | hadn't seen the xda thread on the s60 yet | 14:23 |
| ndnihil | heh, one post says "I have 117 apps on my phone" | 14:23 |
| ndnihil | who the fuck needs 117 apps | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -l|wc -l :P | 14:23 |
| ndnihil | lib lib lib lib lib lib app | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the FLIR is nice, also the rugged device is cool, but no root is just unbearable | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I have to say: when android is tailored to be usable by average user, then I'm worried about state of my own brain since it's obviously working in a totally incompatible mode to that of those average users | 14:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | your not alone so don't worry, the issue is others are now brainwashed into one of two UI's | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't anybody notice that e.g. pinch2zoom is a terribly idiotic approach ergonomically and usability wise, since you cover the stuff you're zooming with your fingers | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but... heaven compared to on screen vkbd | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | one cute thing i've noticed about android was perfect usability with only mouse | 14:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 dug through his pile of USB junk to try making an arbitrary peripheral work on S60 in hostmode (not even sure if that would work *at all*), found a 16cm USB-A-F to USB-A-M "extender" and scratches head | 15:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's barely long enough to plug the ends into each other | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a D+/- shorter? | 15:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | how do you pinch with a mouse? | 15:04 |
| Vajb | maybe click'n hold + move? | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is there an app like "USB-hostmode" for android? | 15:15 |
| ndnihil | if I remember right, it should be an automatic/internal toggle based on the hardware supporting it | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh, sorry | 15:16 |
| ndnihil | assuming OTG adapter and whatnot | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't ask silly questions like an IRC noob | 15:17 |
| Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: install bluemaemo on n900 and use it as touchpad and kbrd | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/usb/host.html | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.usbhostdiagnostics&hl=en | 15:20 |
| ndnihil | as keen on host mode as I used to be | 15:21 |
| ndnihil | I just never used it | 15:21 |
| ndnihil | except with gta02 when it was acting like a CD changer for the audi | 15:21 |
| ndnihil | via externally powered hub | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | swb: dont know yet, but i find wheel to be nice, and rmb is 'cancel/back', which i find extremely intuitive/useful | 15:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I'd say some sort of holding Ctrl key would be intuitive, but meh | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | swb, you can always map gestures | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | ie. lmb+gesture | 15:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but that would be "drag" IMO | 15:27 |
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| mueddib | hello all | 20:01 |
| mueddib | I have a N900 and maemo is not work | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 20:01 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 20:01 |
| mueddib | KotCzarny, I use debian 64bit and flasher not work 64bit system right? | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | run 32bit os in virtualbox | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | or some livecd | 20:02 |
| mueddib | KotCzarny, hm okay I understand. | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | flasher will work if you install proper libs | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | 32bit libc and 32bit libusb-0 | 20:03 |
| mueddib | I want to try to install Gentoo on the n900 but chroot command is not work | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | then it will run without virtualbox | 20:03 |
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| mueddib | I have a questions, I will try to install Gentoo on the N900 and chroot is not work, /bin/bash is not work | 20:15 |
| mueddib | why? | 20:15 |
| L29Ah | paste your output | 20:22 |
| L29Ah | we ain't telepaths | 20:23 |
| mueddib | L29Ah I use command to env -i chroot . /bin/bash | 20:25 |
| mueddib | and the error "/bin/bash no file directory" | 20:25 |
| mueddib | I'm write to meego now, | 20:25 |
| L29Ah | ldd /bin/bash | 20:26 |
| L29Ah | check if the dynamic loader is available and operational in your chroot | 20:26 |
| L29Ah | you may have better results with busybox | 20:26 |
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| mueddib | L29Ah hmm, I understand and this device is bussy | 20:26 |
| mueddib | http://www.tizenexperts.com/2010/10/installing-meego-nokia-n900/ | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | mueddib: might be your gentoo be too new for old nokia kernel (2.6.28) | 20:28 |
| mueddib | KotCzarny, hm I understand what do you suggest install on distro? I want to install mutt and install irc client :) | 20:30 |
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| L29Ah | also, modern glibc won't work on the ancient maemo kernel | 20:31 |
| mueddib | L29Ah, my intention is to first install running linux then compile the new kernel :) | 20:33 |
| L29Ah | you may want to try musl | 20:33 |
| mueddib | maemo is not work, busybox is insufficient | 20:33 |
| L29Ah | it works on 2.6.28 afair | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont need telephony part, you can have mainline kernel | 20:33 |
| L29Ah | and there are musl stage3 on gentoo.org | 20:34 |
| mueddib | L29Ah, I have to musl stage3 but I install to maemo this problem I don't chroot and not install to gentoo :( | 20:34 |
| mueddib | KotCzarny, I try to mainline kernel, this telephone have to ARM processor and I like to ARM | 20:35 |
| L29Ah | i barely understand you | 20:35 |
| mueddib | I'm running command | 20:36 |
| mueddib | dd bs=4096 if=mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk0 | 20:36 |
| mueddib | I'm still wait :) | 20:36 |
| mueddib | KotCzarny, why not work make and bash and basic linux command? | 20:43 |
| mueddib | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# make | 20:44 |
| mueddib | -sh: make: not found | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ your firmware is old | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ to enable make/gcc on device you need sdk repository added | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | 3/ watch out for OUT OF DISK SPACE | 20:45 |
| mueddib | KotCzarny, where is the new firmware? please share url. | 20:45 |
| mueddib | sdk? I'dont now how to enable sdk | 20:45 |
| mueddib | N900 have to 30GB disk area :) | 20:45 |
| L29Ah | you don't need them if you have the gentoo chroot | 20:46 |
| mueddib | and I use 16GB SD | 20:46 |
| mueddib | L29Ah, I run command "chroot /mnt/Gentoo /bin/bash" and this command not work. | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | in short, you better do it in scratchbox on pc | 20:47 |
| mueddib | # uname -ar | 20:47 |
| mueddib | Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wed Oct 28 15:32:55 EET 2009 armv7l unknown | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | compiling on device will be VERY slow | 20:47 |
| L29Ah | mueddib: eat shit plz | 20:48 |
| L29Ah | KotCzarny: kernel builds in some hours | 20:48 |
| L29Ah | not very slow ;] | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: i know, i was building on bananas. but n900 is SLOOOW. | 20:48 |
| L29Ah | the biggest problem with n900 is the lack of memory | 20:49 |
| L29Ah | so c++ goes out of the window | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | compiling on device is fine for small projects, or properly splitted | 20:49 |
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| jonwil | hi | 21:44 |
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| mueddib | hey all, I chroot'ed N900 and I have shell to Gentoo now :) | 22:08 |
| bencoh | yay :) | 22:08 |
| mueddib | How can I physically install Gentoo to N900? | 22:08 |
| mueddib | I think gentoo work to /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 22:09 |
| mueddib | I want to need install to /dev/mmcblk0 | 22:09 |
| mueddib | mmcblk0 is physical SD right? | 22:09 |
| bencoh | hmmm I think there is a thread about that on forum, and a few people here worked on this as well | 22:09 |
| mueddib | hm I searched to google :) | 22:09 |
| mueddib | I dont understand, N900 not use to /boot partition | 22:10 |
| bencoh | mmc1 is external sdcard, mmc0 is (internal) eMMC | 22:10 |
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| mueddib | bencoh right, thank you but where is the bootable disk? /boot ? | 22:11 |
| bencoh | and n900 boots from NAND, which is presented as a mtd block device | 22:11 |
| bencoh | kernel sits in its own mtd partition, with no filesyste | 22:11 |
| bencoh | I'm pretty sure this is explained somewhere on wiki.maemo.org btw :) | 22:12 |
| bencoh | you probably want to install uboot before going on with your project, by the way | 22:12 |
| mueddib | uboot? hm, mmcblk0p1 have to three partition | 22:14 |
| mueddib | Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type | 22:14 |
| mueddib | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 7372799 7372799 3.5G 83 Linux | 22:14 |
| mueddib | /dev/mmcblk0p2 7372800 7389183 16384 8M 82 Linux swap / Solaris | 22:15 |
| mueddib | /dev/mmcblk0p3 7389184 7454719 65536 32M c W95 FAT32 (LBA) | 22:15 |
| mueddib | so, n900 not use mmcblk0 right? :) | 22:15 |
| mueddib | the /boot empty :) | 22:15 |
| bencoh | it does. but not to boot. | 22:15 |
| bencoh | uboot would sit on mtd as well | 22:16 |
| mueddib | hm, I dont information to uboot and mtd | 22:16 |
| mueddib | I'm learn now :) | 22:17 |
| mueddib | thank you | 22:17 |
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| mueddib | hmm, uboot is boot to another kernel= | 23:10 |
| mueddib | ? | 23:10 |
| Pali | jonwil: hi! | 23:31 |
| Pali | do you know something about addressbok & sms stored on SIM card? | 23:31 |
| Pali | how to access it? | 23:31 |
| Pali | Maemo abook can access and copy contacts from SIM to /home/... but not reverse | 23:32 |
| Pali | so there should be some csd api for reading contacts from SIM | 23:32 |
| Pali | which should probably use ISI modem | 23:32 |
| Pali | mueddib: hi! what do you need to know about uboot? | 23:33 |
| mueddib | Pali, oh my god! I was looking for your e-mail address :) | 23:34 |
| mueddib | hm, I want to run gentoo on the N900 but I don't know how to boot Gentoo. | 23:35 |
| mueddib | Can I boot to Gentoo with uboot? | 23:35 |
| Pali | uboot is bootloader, it boot supplied kernel image | 23:36 |
| Pali | same as grub | 23:36 |
| Pali | or lilo | 23:36 |
| mueddib | hmm, I understand but I don't know how it works :) | 23:37 |
| mueddib | Pali, what do I need to do to install uboot? | 23:37 |
| mueddib | I don't find to howto | 23:37 |
| mueddib | :( | 23:37 |
| Pali | n900 boot process is: omaprom --> x-loader (mtd0) --> nolo (mtd0) --> kernel (mtd3) | 23:40 |
| Pali | uboot is placed between nolo and kernel | 23:40 |
| Pali | and is stored to mtd3 too | 23:41 |
| Pali | mtd3 is enough large, so kernel is appended to uboot image on mtd3 | 23:41 |
| Pali | so installing uboot will replace kernel in mtd3 with image of uboot+kernel | 23:42 |
| Pali | uboot iself can boot attached kernel image (to uboot at mtd3) | 23:42 |
| Pali | and can boot any other kernel image stored on eMMC or uSD card | 23:42 |
| Pali | also can load initramfs | 23:42 |
| Pali | installing of uboot should be simple, just install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" via hildon application manager | 23:43 |
| mueddib | Pali, thanks for information but can i run kernel on my sd-card? | 23:43 |
| Pali | it flash uboot image into kernel nand area (mtd3) and attached kernel image is stock one! not kernel-power or other | 23:43 |
| Pali | uboot can load & boot any kernel from uSD card | 23:44 |
| mueddib | hmm | 23:44 |
| Pali | for easy loading I suggest you to create bootmenu entry | 23:44 |
| Pali | see thread about uboot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 23:44 |
| Pali | read first post, you are probably interested in "How to create bootmenu entry for U-Boot" | 23:45 |
| mueddib | I understand, I create a zImage and copy /opt/boot | 23:46 |
| mueddib | and I create a /etc/bootmenu.d/20-my-kernel.item | 23:46 |
| mueddib | file and I insert parameters right? | 23:46 |
| Pali | do not have to copy it to /opt/boot, you can specify also path to uSD | 23:46 |
| mueddib | I understand | 23:46 |
| mueddib | Can I reformat to mmcblk0? | 23:48 |
| Pali | mmcblk0? that is eMMC, right? | 23:49 |
| mueddib | and I don't create bootable partition, right? | 23:49 |
| Pali | of course you cannot reformat whole eMMC | 23:49 |
| mueddib | not install lilo or grub :) | 23:49 |
| Pali | eMMC is part of Maemo | 23:49 |
| mueddib | hmm, where is the eMMC? | 23:49 |
| Pali | on soc | 23:50 |
| mueddib | I see only to mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 | 23:50 |
| Pali | one is eMMC and one is uSD card | 23:50 |
| mueddib | so /dev/mmcblk0 is internal sd | 23:50 |
| Pali | look where is mounted MyDocs | 23:50 |
| mueddib | and /dev/mmcblk1 is external sd | 23:50 |
| Pali | that is 3rd part of eMMC | 23:50 |
| mueddib | not mount :) | 23:50 |
| Pali | going to check it on my n900 | 23:51 |
| mueddib | Pali: http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/37T4 | 23:51 |
| Pali | so... on Maemo is mmcblk0 eMMC and mmcblk1 uSD | 23:51 |
| Pali | on non-maemo system mmcblk0/1 are randomly selected | 23:52 |
| Pali | based on hw initalization | 23:52 |
| Pali | if you are going to use another system, I suggest you to use uSD card | 23:53 |
| Pali | format it to fat or ext2/3/4 and copy there your system | 23:54 |
| Pali | create partitions on it as you wish | 23:54 |
| mueddib | my uSD card 2GB is not enough I want to use internal SD | 23:54 |
| mueddib | Can I partition internal sd? uSD is only 2GB :) | 23:55 |
| Pali | if you do not want to loose Maemo system, then cannot (easly) use eMMC | 23:55 |
| mueddib | I want to delete Maemo and I want to boot with only Gentoo. I want use eMMC (30GB) :) | 23:57 |
| mueddib | is this possible? | 23:57 |
| Pali | do you have working gentoo? | 23:58 |
| Pali | image? | 23:58 |
| mueddib | yes | 23:58 |
| mueddib | I install gentoo uSD | 23:58 |
| Pali | and will it work on eMMC? | 23:58 |
| mueddib | I parted to 2GB | 23:58 |
| mueddib | So, for example linux boot to uSD and I use eMMC (30GB) mounting | 23:59 |
| mueddib | right? | 23:59 |
| Pali | uboot menu entries how they created do not work without Maemo | 23:59 |
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