IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2016-12-13

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Wizzupfreemangordon: it does very aggressive power saving (the wifi)00:16
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MoeIcenowyfreemangordon: it still needs a full MCE...09:32
freemangordonMoeIcenowy: so?09:41
MoeIcenowyfreemangordon: hd-render-manager.c:3409:44: error: ‘HdRenderManagerPrivate {aka struct _HdRenderManagerPrivate}’ has no member named ‘zoomed’; did you mean ‘home’?09:42
freemangordonMoeIcenowy: are you sure you pulled latest?09:43
MoeIcenowyI just recloned several minutes ago09:43
freemangordonas I did clone && build just yesterday on the tablet09:43
bencohyou build on the tablet?09:45
freemangordonyes, why not?09:46
MoeIcenowyI'm now building on PC09:46
MoeIcenowyI commented the error line out, and build passed09:47
bencohjust asking :). as long as someone else still tries crossbuilding it that's fine I guess :)09:47
freemangordonMoeIcenowy: hmm, I see, I guess you didn't disable glib cast checks etc09:48
MoeIcenowyI think it's not about cast check...09:49
MoeIcenowythe struct just has no such member...09:49
freemangordonwhatever it is to disable g_return_if_fail09:49
freemangordonor rather to make it nop09:49
freemangordonbut yes, there is no such member09:49
freemangordonthis is a bug in CSSU h-d09:50
MoeIcenowymaybe it should be ok to just remove this line?09:50
freemangordonmaybe, but it needs to be verified why it is there at all09:51
freemangordonanyway, me gtg09:51
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DocScrutinizer05"recommendation: don't use those devices until the vulnerability got fixed"11:38
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sixwheeledbeastAmusing how it seems to affect only there top line routers11:42
KotCzarnydifferent dev teams?11:42
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jonwilThankfully the Netgear router sitting next to me isn't on the list of vulnerable devices :)11:58
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jonwilSad to hear that such a prominent member of our community has passed away...12:10
jonwilI got an email from the community list via chemist saying that Gido Griese aka Win7Mac passed away12:11
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jonwil seems to have the info from what I can see12:12
jonwilor the front page of
ndnihilwiki is up, but main site not connecting12:12
jonwilwhich seems to be working for me12:12
jonwilanyhow, its sad that such a prominent community member passed away12:13
ndnihiloh shit, who?12:13
jonwilGido Griese aka Win7Mac12:13
ndnihilsounds familiar, didn't he work on the moko stuff too?12:14
jonwilI dont know, I just know what the info says12:15
bencohjonwil: "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. "12:15
bencohthread disappeared?12:15
ndnihilsame result for your link here12:15
jonwiltry htttp://
jonwilwhich does work12:15
jonwilfor me at least12:15
ndnihilI've tried from here, from my dallas VPS, and my netherlands VPS12:16
bencohah, it's now a TMO notice12:16
ndnihildown everywhere12:16
ndnihilfor me12:16
jonwilyeah its now a notice on tmo12:16
jonwilFor those who cant see the info, this pastebin12:16
jonwilis a copy+paste of the text from the front page of maemo.org12:17
bencohndnihil: how down?12:18
ndnihiltimes out12:18
ndnihilfront page, and downloads12:18
ndnihilwas hoping to revive my n90012:18 works for me12:18
ndnihilthe gta02 isn't playing too well with this sim12:18
bencohyou might be in some spam/banlist, although I think you should be getting some error message in that case12:19
KotCzarnyand yes, there is a big notice on the front12:19
bencohsomething wrong with your ISP maybe12:19
ndnihildid you miss the part where I tried my home connection, and proxies via Dallas and Netherlands?12:19
ndnihilthree points of down12:19
bencohI guess I did12:19
bencohstrange then12:20
bencohgot a traceroute?12:20
ndnihiltalk.maemo works, wiki.maemo works12:20
bencohah12:20 does not12:20
bencohwell I dunno why, then12:20
ndnihilyeah, a bit odd12:20
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KotCzarnystupid secondary paste buffer12:21
KotCzarnysorry about that12:21
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ndnihilmight be shitting itself due to adblock stuff12:21
ndnihilworks fine on clean browser12:21
ndnihilhowever, has no DNS12:23
KotCzarnynokia is dead12:24
infobotsomebody said tabletsdev was , (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site, or, or
ndnihiland that's where all the pointers to download firmware are aimed12:24
KotCzarnysee last link12:24
KotCzarnyand for a flashing script (that automatically gets files too):12:24
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing12:24
vboxuserxdo somebody knows what's the last maemo firmware for nokia n900?12:27
KotCzarnybut use cssu to get updates12:27
vboxuserxthank you12:32
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infobotfrom memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or, or
infobotlazyflashing is probably
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ndnihillooks like these mirrors are dropping left and right13:37
KotCzarnynot really, you should only need muarf13:39
ndnihilsure, it's the one that works13:41
infobotmethinks jrrepos is
ndnihilwell that makes things nice and easy13:54
DocScrutinizer05I hope so :-)13:56
ndnihilcan I buy a neo900 yet? :)13:56
* Maxdamantus opens trenchcoat.13:57
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ndnihilheh, all that and I'm already running the latest13:57
ndnihilno updates13:58
DocScrutinizer05ndnihil: you can order a Neo900, but it's still under development and shipping will be later13:58
DocScrutinizer05note that we produce to order and at the time production starts no late orders will be possible for that batch anymore, obviously13:59
ndnihilI'm going to need to upgrade well before then unfortunately13:59
DocScrutinizer05it's highly unclear if there ever will be a second batch getting built13:59
ndnihilstill using a droid4 as my daily14:00
ndnihiljust bought a used one for $20 so I'd have spares14:00
DocScrutinizer05I started to occasionally play with an adroid device. It's plain unbearable14:00
ndnihilit's not too bad after you de-google it14:01
ndnihilbut I need a physical keyboard14:01
ndnihiland almost nothing current has that14:01
ndnihilif it does, it's low end junk14:02
DocScrutinizer05I installed an app "htop" which is exactly what its name says, but *without any kbd input*14:02
DocScrutinizer05or I'm just too dull to grok how to pop up that damn vkbd in android at will14:02
ndnihilit should pop up as soon as you tap an input field14:03
DocScrutinizer05even then, such vkbd has no ctrl key, no cursor keys even... >:-(14:03
ndnihildidn't even know htop was available for android14:03
DocScrutinizer05HTOP has no input field14:03
ndnihilI run it here14:03
ndnihilassuming it's the same htop14:03
ndnihillike top, but pretty14:04
DocScrutinizer05then that shit constantly nags with at least 5 notifiers per day trying to scoop money14:04
DocScrutinizer05constantly phones home14:05
ndnihilhah, I have a fix for that too14:05
ndnihil$ cat hosts-big.txt |wc -l14:05
ndnihilbecause fuck ads14:05
DocScrutinizer05I hoped for a ssh server to log in to that piece of junk, but... couldn't find one14:06
ndnihiladb over net14:07
DocScrutinizer05probably even quite demanding a task to write a daemon on android14:07
ndnihilclosest you'll get without porting it yourself14:07
ndnihiland yeah, huge pain in the ass14:07
ndnihilbut to be fair, it's not really a server OS14:08
DocScrutinizer05LOL obviously not14:08
DocScrutinizer05it's not really an OS14:08
ndnihilbetter than iStuff14:09
ndnihiland really, if you get something with a decent rom available (likely cyanogenmod), and flash the minimal gapps package with just play store14:12
ndnihilmake a few tweaks14:12
ndnihiland it's entirely usable14:12
ndnihilas long as you have a physical keyboard :)14:13
KotCzarnyif there is bsp from vendor, you can tune whole thing to usable state14:15
KotCzarnyi'm currently hacking android for orange pi pc/plus2e14:16
KotCzarnyand i must say it works nicely as a youtube/browser box14:16
ndnihilgood stuff14:17
ndnihiloh yeah14:18
ndnihilif they had a verizon version, I'd have one by now14:18
ndnihilbeen on the list for that since it was first announced14:18
ndnihilI love my flir14:18
KotCzarnyyup, kodi kodi is really polished product14:18
ndnihiland having it on my phone would be sweet14:18
ndnihilI'd sacrifice the hardware keyboard for that14:19
ndnihilor 3d print one14:19
ndnihilrather 3d print a case that incorporates one14:19
DocScrutinizer05it has no CM14:19
ndnihilnope, and probably never will14:19
ndnihilyou'd be stuck rolling your own14:20
KotCzarnywell, kodi is installable app for android14:20
ndnihilI prefer the standalone kodi, rather than the app version14:20
ndnihilit's faster14:21
KotCzarnyi've tried it just out of curiosity14:21
KotCzarnyto test things14:22
ndnihilhadn't seen the xda thread on the s60 yet14:23
ndnihilheh, one post says "I have 117 apps on my phone"14:23
ndnihilwho the fuck needs 117 apps14:23
KotCzarnydpkg -l|wc -l :P14:23
ndnihillib lib lib lib lib lib app14:24
DocScrutinizer05the FLIR is nice, also the rugged device is cool, but no root is just unbearable14:44
DocScrutinizer05and I have to say: when android is tailored to be usable by average user, then I'm worried about state of my own brain since it's obviously working in a totally incompatible mode to that of those average users14:46
sixwheeledbeastyour not alone so don't worry, the issue is others are now brainwashed into one of two UI's14:48
DocScrutinizer05didn't anybody notice that e.g. pinch2zoom is a terribly idiotic approach ergonomically and usability wise, since you cover the stuff you're zooming with your fingers14:48
DocScrutinizer05but... heaven compared to on screen vkbd14:49
KotCzarnyone cute thing i've noticed about android was perfect usability with only mouse14:50
* DocScrutinizer05 dug through his pile of USB junk to try making an arbitrary peripheral work on S60 in hostmode (not even sure if that would work *at all*), found a 16cm USB-A-F to USB-A-M "extender" and scratches head15:01
DocScrutinizer05it's barely long enough to plug the ends into each other15:02
DocScrutinizer05maybe a D+/- shorter?15:03
sixwheeledbeasthow do you pinch with a mouse?15:04
Vajbmaybe click'n hold + move?15:12
DocScrutinizer05is there an app like "USB-hostmode" for android?15:15
ndnihilif I remember right, it should be an automatic/internal toggle based on the hardware supporting it15:16
DocScrutinizer05eh, sorry15:16
ndnihilassuming OTG adapter and whatnot15:17
DocScrutinizer05shouldn't ask silly questions like an IRC noob15:17
VajbDocScrutinizer05: install bluemaemo on n900 and use it as touchpad and kbrd15:17
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ndnihilas keen on host mode as I used to be15:21
ndnihilI just never used it15:21
ndnihilexcept with gta02 when it was acting like a CD changer for the audi15:21
ndnihilvia externally powered hub15:21
KotCzarnyswb: dont know yet, but i find wheel to be nice, and rmb is 'cancel/back', which i find extremely intuitive/useful15:24
sixwheeledbeastI'd say some sort of holding Ctrl key would be intuitive, but meh15:25
KotCzarnyswb, you can always map gestures15:26
KotCzarnyie. lmb+gesture15:26
sixwheeledbeastbut that would be "drag" IMO15:27
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mueddibhello all20:01
mueddibI have a N900 and maemo is not work20:01
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing20:01
mueddibKotCzarny, I use debian 64bit and flasher not work 64bit system right?20:02
KotCzarnyrun 32bit os in virtualbox20:02
KotCzarnyor some livecd20:02
mueddibKotCzarny, hm okay I understand.20:02
KotCzarnyflasher will work if you install proper libs20:03
KotCzarny32bit libc and 32bit libusb-020:03
mueddibI want to try to install Gentoo on the n900 but chroot command is not work20:03
KotCzarnythen it will run without virtualbox20:03
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mueddibI have a questions, I will try to install Gentoo on the N900 and chroot is not work, /bin/bash is not work20:15
L29Ahpaste your output20:22
L29Ahwe ain't telepaths20:23
mueddibL29Ah I use command to env -i chroot . /bin/bash20:25
mueddiband the error "/bin/bash no file directory"20:25
mueddibI'm write to meego now,20:25
L29Ahldd /bin/bash20:26
L29Ahcheck if the dynamic loader is available and operational in your chroot20:26
L29Ahyou may have better results with busybox20:26
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mueddibL29Ah hmm, I understand and this device is bussy20:26
KotCzarnymueddib: might be your gentoo be too new for old nokia kernel (2.6.28)20:28
mueddibKotCzarny, hm I understand what do you suggest install on distro? I want to install mutt and install irc client :)20:30
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L29Ahalso, modern glibc won't work on the ancient maemo kernel20:31
mueddibL29Ah, my intention is to first install running linux then compile the new kernel :)20:33
L29Ahyou may want to try musl20:33
mueddibmaemo is not work, busybox is insufficient20:33
L29Ahit works on 2.6.28 afair20:33
KotCzarnyif you dont need telephony part, you can have mainline kernel20:33
L29Ahand there are musl stage3 on gentoo.org20:34
mueddibL29Ah, I have to musl stage3 but I install to maemo this problem I don't chroot and not install to gentoo :(20:34
mueddibKotCzarny, I try to mainline kernel, this telephone have to ARM processor and I like to ARM20:35
L29Ahi barely understand you20:35
mueddibI'm running command20:36
mueddibdd bs=4096 if=mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable- of=/dev/mmcblk020:36
mueddibI'm still wait :)20:36
mueddibKotCzarny, why not work make and bash and basic linux command?20:43
mueddibNokia-N900-42-11:~# make20:44
mueddib-sh: make: not found20:44
KotCzarny1/ your firmware is old20:44
KotCzarny2/ to enable make/gcc on device you need sdk repository added20:44
KotCzarny3/ watch out for OUT OF DISK SPACE20:45
mueddibKotCzarny, where is the new firmware? please share url.20:45
mueddibsdk? I'dont now how to enable sdk20:45
mueddibN900 have to 30GB disk area :)20:45
L29Ahyou don't need them if you have the gentoo chroot20:46
mueddiband I use 16GB SD20:46
mueddibL29Ah, I run command "chroot /mnt/Gentoo /bin/bash" and this command not work.20:47
KotCzarnyin short, you better do it in scratchbox on pc20:47
mueddib# uname -ar20:47
mueddibLinux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wed Oct 28 15:32:55 EET 2009 armv7l unknown20:47
KotCzarnycompiling on device will be VERY slow20:47
L29Ahmueddib: eat shit plz20:48
L29AhKotCzarny: kernel builds in some hours20:48
L29Ahnot very slow ;]20:48
KotCzarnyl29ah: i know, i was building on bananas. but n900 is SLOOOW.20:48
L29Ahthe biggest problem with n900 is the lack of memory20:49
L29Ahso c++ goes out of the window20:49
KotCzarnycompiling on device is fine for small projects, or properly splitted20:49
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mueddibhey all, I chroot'ed N900 and I have shell to Gentoo now :)22:08
bencohyay :)22:08
mueddibHow can I physically install Gentoo to N900?22:08
mueddibI think gentoo work to /dev/mmcblk1p122:09
mueddibI want to need install to /dev/mmcblk022:09
mueddibmmcblk0 is physical SD right?22:09
bencohhmmm I think there is a thread about that on forum, and a few people here worked on this as well22:09
mueddibhm I searched to google :)22:09
mueddibI dont understand, N900 not use to /boot partition22:10
bencohmmc1 is external sdcard, mmc0 is (internal) eMMC22:10
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mueddibbencoh right, thank you but where is the bootable disk? /boot ?22:11
bencohand n900 boots from NAND, which is presented as a mtd block device22:11
bencohkernel sits in its own mtd partition, with no filesyste22:11
bencohI'm pretty sure this is explained somewhere on btw :)22:12
bencohyou probably want to install uboot before going on with your project, by the way22:12
mueddibuboot? hm, mmcblk0p1 have to three partition22:14
mueddibDevice         Boot   Start     End Sectors  Size Id Type22:14
mueddib /dev/mmcblk0p1            1 7372799 7372799  3.5G 83 Linux22:14
mueddib /dev/mmcblk0p2      7372800 7389183   16384    8M 82 Linux swap / Solaris22:15
mueddib /dev/mmcblk0p3      7389184 7454719   65536   32M  c W95 FAT32 (LBA)22:15
mueddibso, n900 not use mmcblk0 right? :)22:15
mueddibthe /boot empty :)22:15
bencohit does. but not to boot.22:15
bencohuboot would sit on mtd as well22:16
mueddibhm, I dont information to uboot and mtd22:16
mueddibI'm learn now :)22:17
mueddibthank you22:17
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mueddibhmm, uboot is boot to another kernel=23:10
Palijonwil: hi!23:31
Palido you know something about addressbok & sms stored on SIM card?23:31
Palihow to access it?23:31
PaliMaemo abook can access and copy contacts from SIM to /home/... but not reverse23:32
Paliso there should be some csd api for reading contacts from SIM23:32
Paliwhich should probably use ISI modem23:32
Palimueddib: hi! what do you need to know about uboot?23:33
mueddibPali, oh my god! I was looking for your e-mail address :)23:34
mueddibhm, I want to run gentoo on the N900 but I don't know how to boot Gentoo.23:35
mueddibCan I boot to Gentoo with uboot?23:35
Paliuboot is bootloader, it boot supplied kernel image23:36
Palisame as grub23:36
Palior lilo23:36
mueddibhmm, I understand but I don't know how it works :)23:37
mueddibPali, what do I need to do to install uboot?23:37
mueddibI don't find to howto23:37
Palin900 boot process is: omaprom --> x-loader (mtd0) --> nolo (mtd0) --> kernel (mtd3)23:40
Paliuboot is placed between nolo and kernel23:40
Paliand is stored to mtd3 too23:41
Palimtd3 is enough large, so kernel is appended to uboot image on mtd323:41
Paliso installing uboot will replace kernel in mtd3 with image of uboot+kernel23:42
Paliuboot iself can boot attached kernel image (to uboot at mtd3)23:42
Paliand can boot any other kernel image stored on eMMC or uSD card23:42
Palialso can load initramfs23:42
Paliinstalling of uboot should be simple, just install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" via hildon application manager23:43
mueddibPali, thanks for information but can i run kernel on my sd-card?23:43
Paliit flash uboot image into kernel nand area (mtd3) and attached kernel image is stock one! not kernel-power or other23:43
Paliuboot can load & boot any kernel from uSD card23:44
Palifor easy loading I suggest you to create bootmenu entry23:44
Palisee thread about uboot:
Paliread first post, you are probably interested in "How to create bootmenu entry for U-Boot"23:45
mueddibI understand, I create a zImage and copy /opt/boot23:46
mueddiband I create a /etc/bootmenu.d/20-my-kernel.item23:46
mueddibfile and I insert parameters right?23:46
Palido not have to copy it to /opt/boot, you can specify also path to uSD23:46
mueddibI understand23:46
mueddibCan I reformat to mmcblk0?23:48
Palimmcblk0? that is eMMC, right?23:49
mueddiband I don't create bootable partition, right?23:49
Paliof course you cannot reformat whole eMMC23:49
mueddibnot install lilo or grub :)23:49
PalieMMC is part of Maemo23:49
mueddibhmm, where is the eMMC?23:49
Palion soc23:50
mueddibI see only to mmcblk0 and mmcblk123:50
Palione is eMMC and one is uSD card23:50
mueddibso /dev/mmcblk0 is internal sd23:50
Palilook where is mounted MyDocs23:50
mueddiband /dev/mmcblk1 is external sd23:50
Palithat is 3rd part of eMMC23:50
mueddibnot mount :)23:50
Paligoing to check it on my n90023:51
Paliso... on Maemo is mmcblk0 eMMC and mmcblk1 uSD23:51
Palion non-maemo system mmcblk0/1 are randomly selected23:52
Palibased on hw initalization23:52
Paliif you are going to use another system, I suggest you to use uSD card23:53
Paliformat it to fat or ext2/3/4 and copy there your system23:54
Palicreate partitions on it as you wish23:54
mueddibmy uSD card 2GB is not enough I want to use internal SD23:54
mueddibCan I partition internal sd? uSD is only 2GB :)23:55
Paliif you do not want to loose Maemo system, then cannot (easly) use eMMC23:55
mueddibI want to delete Maemo and I want to boot with only Gentoo. I want use eMMC (30GB) :)23:57
mueddibis this possible?23:57
Palido you have working gentoo?23:58
mueddibI install gentoo uSD23:58
Paliand will it work on eMMC?23:58
mueddibI parted to 2GB23:58
mueddibSo, for example linux boot to uSD and I use eMMC (30GB) mounting23:59
Paliuboot menu entries how they created do not work without Maemo23:59

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