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| pkill9 | I'm using the repos from wiki.maemo.org/repositories but apt-get says the keys have expired | 00:59 |
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| pkill9 | anyone know how to update the gpg-keys? | 01:00 |
| Pali | which one? | 01:07 |
| Pali | pkill9: ^ | 01:08 |
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| pkill9 | Pali: sorry not sure, i ended up upgrading anyway, but i have another issue with maemoagent | 01:23 |
| pkill9 | Pali: it was the maemo.muarf.org repositories | 01:24 |
| Pali | pkill9: that is not official maemo repository | 01:25 |
| Pali | so problems about it report to owner | 01:25 |
| pkill9 | which ones are official? | 01:25 |
| Pali | maemo.org | 01:25 |
| Pali | domain | 01:25 |
| pkill9 | do you have a list of official repositories i can put in sources.list? | 01:26 |
| Pali | you should use Hildon Application Manager for setting repositories | 01:26 |
| Pali | there is only Maemo Extras, Maemo Extras-testing (and -devel) | 01:26 |
| Pali | all other are not official part of maemo.org... | 01:27 |
| Pali | and there is CSSU... but that is not "Extras" repository | 01:27 |
| pkill9 | I used the ones listed here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#fremantle_repos_.28copy.26paste_sources.list.29 | 01:27 |
| pkill9 | i thought they were official as it is part of wiki.maemo.org | 01:28 |
| Pali | if you see problem with expired key for downloads.maemo.nokia.com clone, then it is nokia's problem | 01:29 |
| Pali | their gpg key expired | 01:29 |
| pkill9 | ok | 01:29 |
| pkill9 | Pali: do you know what maemoagent is used for? | 01:34 |
| Pali | maemoagent? never heard about it | 01:34 |
| Pali | and google too | 01:34 |
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| pkill9 | Pali: this is the error i get when trying to upgrade maemoagent: https://gist.github.com/sfgasdfsafggfgg/771d0e72004b40762a6a37fc2d05d8f5 | 01:55 |
| pkill9 | any idea what the problem could be? | 01:55 |
| Pali | broken package | 01:55 |
| pkill9 | ah | 01:56 |
| pkill9 | how do i force it to redownload? | 01:56 |
| Pali | it is unknown for maemo.org too! http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemoagent/ | 01:56 |
| Pali | apt-get install --reinstall package_name | 01:57 |
| pkill9 | hmm | 01:57 |
| Pali | this will reinstall package | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: ignore "key expired" it's only a "W:"arning | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: also see: | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos | 02:32 |
| infobot | methinks jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and indeed nobody seems to ever have heard of maemo-agent before | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | muarf is considered a snae and clean mirror of the orphaned/dead nokia base repos | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sane* | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'd think CSSU should deploy those muarf et al nokia replacements | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and disable the dead nokia repos | 02:44 |
| L29Ah | facilitate it plz | 02:52 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: we disable dead repos | 04:14 |
| merlin1991 | and don't depend on anything in said dead repos | 04:14 |
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| merlin1991 | at least when I added the disable stuff to cssu I could install cssu straight from a freshly flashed pr1.3 emmc image | 04:15 |
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| Mike1235235 | !help I had 'SMScon' (n900) working well & had tied it to an object, which apparently made the screen stay on (screen should have timed out. Pressure on the screen (bottom horizontal)?). The phone would respond to all my commands. To turn the screen off, I got the n900 to call me (where I expected the screen to turn off after hanging up). Now it wont respond to any commands I have tried (Power, Call, Location, Lock, Restart, Re | 04:27 |
| Mike1235235 | The n900 is still on with plenty of battery & can recieve calls. Any way I can get 'SMScon' to respond remotely? | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: sounds good | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mike1235235: I admit you completely lost me | 04:35 |
| Mike1235235 | For some reason the screen was still on after an hour. Would pressure on the screen, keep it on? ...... Tunring off the screen remotely, may have worked after a call was connected & disconnected. ......... Now no respnse when trying SMScon commands. | 04:38 |
| Mike1235235 | http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON | 04:40 |
| Mike1235235 | * no response when sending SMS commands. The n900 is out of reach. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* would use WLAN-ssh terminal to check | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SMScon is a last resort | 04:42 |
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| jonwil | hi | 11:08 |
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| mike727_7686 | Car charger does not charge n900. Simply by my understanding (& memory), the n900 requires a dumb charger (or can short pins on smart charger). | 11:57 |
| mike727_7686 | Question: Does this sort of thing need to be considered with power banks? | 11:58 |
| Vajb | mike727_7686: i would use known good cable. | 12:05 |
| Vajb | i mean like nokia data cable | 12:06 |
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| Maxdamantus | The issue he mentioned doesn't have to do with the cable. | 12:09 |
| Maxdamantus | Supposedly you can override this stuff in software. | 12:09 |
| * Maxdamantus has just soldered the pins together on a couple of power supplies. | 12:10 | |
| KotCzarny | wouldnt it be better to add a resitor? | 12:10 |
| Maxdamantus | # cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150a-0/current_limit | 12:11 |
| Maxdamantus | 100 | 12:11 |
| Maxdamantus | I think you can just write `500` to that file, but I don't want to personally suggest it (someone else can, I don't want to be responsible for anything) | 12:12 |
| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: no. The data pins are simply meant to be shorted on power supplies that don't have controllers that can negotiate current limits with devices. | 12:13 |
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| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: that's the standard way to indicate that devices can draw the maximum current by default (otherwise they have to negotiate for it, which obviously can't happen if there is no computer/microchip) | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 12:15 |
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| mike_727_235 | Interesting, thanks | 12:24 |
| Maxdamantus | mike_727_235: what was the last message you saw btw? your connection got ping timeouted. | 12:25 |
| mike_727_235 | dealing with a cheap ethernet cable. Just looked at the log, which showed allthe way up to me joining again. | 12:28 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah. | 12:28 |
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| fladnag900 | Hello again | 12:36 |
| Vajb | oh i didn't know that. I guess i have then just been lucky with my charger selections. I have cheap powerbank, cheap car charger and nokia wall charger | 12:39 |
| Vajb | which is n9 default charger i think | 12:39 |
| fladnag900 | Aehem | 12:40 |
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| fladnag900 | Iam soconfused ..it seems that i have already a powerkernel installed but not bootet to it ..? ..And ihave this bootmenü installed andalso backupmanü .. Inver used it ...is it possible that ihave to boot up my n900 with keyboaerd open or something and then choose and voila have poerkernel ? | 12:52 |
| fladnag900 | Please anyone | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | reflash, start from installing clean cssu etc | 12:54 |
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| fladnag900 | Is it realy that messi inyour opinien doc ? ..Or can i damage my n900 if igo further from here ? Please reflash is alot ofwork here with all things on my n900 and contacts AND thebrokenmdisplay atthemoment (iam using a beamer with the analogvideooutput onthis n900 rightnow soi cansee) | 12:57 |
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| KotCzarny | if you dont know what you are doing, you either spend lots of time fixing it, or start with known good config (ie. clean reflash) | 12:59 |
| fladnag900 | Please tellme how i can make use of bootmenü and the maybe already existing powerkernel here and if i can update this powerkernel ! | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | ~bootmenu | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | ~ping | 12:59 |
| infobot | ~pong | 12:59 |
| fladnag900 | ?? :D pingpong | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | i think bootmenu wasnt good idea | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | but cant find the link | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | ~boot-menu | 13:01 |
| fladnag900 | Iheared bootmenü is better than uboot ...not right? | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys boot | 13:01 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'boot' by key (17 of 175): #maemo pc_bootlog ;; #maemo u-boot ;; [netherwind boots] ;; barboot ;; boot disk drivers ;; boot disk url ;; boot mikk ;; bootanim ;; bootldr ;; bootldr...where ;; bootless ;; bootlogo ;; booty rap ;; cmd: bootloader (.*?) ;; cmd: reboot (.*?) ;; dual boot ;; dualbooting. | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys #maemo boot | 13:01 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo boot' by key (2): #maemo boot-process ;; #maemo bootloop. | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys #maemo menu | 13:01 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo menu' by key returned no results. | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys boot menu | 13:02 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'boot menu' by key returned no results. | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | ~u-boot | 13:02 |
| infobot | somebody said u-boot was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | read that page | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | as its what you probably have | 13:03 |
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| KotCzarny | ah, right. it was the multiboot that was dangerous | 13:06 |
| fladnag900 | Iam confused and afraid :) so itsays look ifthere are oldones and uninstall andtehn ..! ...Imlooking | 13:06 |
| fladnag900 | Omygod doc ... Me andmy n900's ...thisone has a working usb but damaged display and idont want tochange the display rightknow with aworkingone becouse iam afriad of more/new problems forexample like shitagain with the cable for the display etc so ileave evrything andmoveon and this n900 is pretty clean ..ijust need itssems to SWITCH to powerkernel ...iwouldlike to see/check if there is already a working bootmenü of any kind and the powerkernel | 13:11 |
| fladnag900 | I also thing imaybe forget to so isay it know merrychristmas to you allofyou and ahapyknewyear ifeal so christmaslike already ...socold outside ..nosnow forknow but maybe :) | 13:17 |
| fladnag900 | And ihope maemo does last olongtime longer and n900 43wW4 !!! ;) | 13:18 |
| fladnag900 | Ithin i just getoverit and test it know ... Ithin it was booting with open keyboard ...ihope videoout works on that level becouse acantseeshit onthis display :) | 13:20 |
| fladnag900 | See u soon hopefully (yea maybe not this fladnag gets onmynervs xD) | 13:21 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: zram is compcache with a new name, right? | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | similar idea, different execution | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | zram creates block device | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | si you can use it as ramdisk or ramswap | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | compcache i think compressses pages in mem | 13:51 |
| freemangordon | yes | 13:51 |
| freemangordon | compcache creates block device as well | 13:51 |
| freemangordon | for compressed ramswap | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | if you create swap on it will it work? | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | yes, but it makes no sense on n900 | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | already tried, search TMO | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | ho-hum | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76112 | 13:53 |
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| KotCzarny | i think trick is to use sensible value for the size | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | and free as much mem as possible first | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | gotta try it | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | # echo $[32*1024*1024] >/sys/block/ramzswap0/size | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | -sh: cannot create /sys/block/ramzswap0/size: Permission denied | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | it doesnt support dynamic resizing? | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | might be dumb shell. nvm | 14:03 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, maemo has swapon with -p support? | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | and where can i add things to run on boot, is /etc/rc.local called? | 14:33 |
| Pali | KotCzarny: upstart | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | never used it, that's why im asking | 14:34 |
| Pali | create event.d service | 14:34 |
| Pali | and mark it to start at boot | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | would be nice to have such service by default (that would call /etc/rc.local) | 14:35 |
| Pali | there is some rcSlocal | 14:36 |
| Pali | or how it is called | 14:36 |
| Pali | but that should not be edited | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | rcS-late? | 14:36 |
| Pali | yes | 14:36 |
| Pali | but you must not edit those files | 14:36 |
| Pali | as maemo system itself uses it | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | but i shouldnt edit it. what im suggesting there should be a default service to call user's script | 14:37 |
| Pali | and when updating (e.g. cssu) it can update those files | 14:37 |
| Pali | make from your user script upstart script | 14:37 |
| Pali | and put it into /etc/event.d/ | 14:37 |
| Pali | that is maemo way | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | created file rc-local with contents: | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw/Pd8hb1fD | 14:38 |
| Pali | no idea if startup will work | 14:39 |
| Pali | you probably needs at leat /opt mounted | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | which is the last boot thing? | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | after all bootup scripts? | 14:39 |
| Pali | there is no last thing | 14:39 |
| Pali | there are dependences | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | start on started hal ? | 14:40 |
| Pali | no | 14:40 |
| Pali | as wrote there is no last thing | 14:40 |
| Pali | daemons which do not depend on themself are started in undefined order | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | can i use start on started rsS-late ? | 14:40 |
| Pali | I do not know, it depends on your script what it needs | 14:40 |
| Pali | you need to write event.d file and mark it with correct dependency | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | creating it as a generic runnable after all boot scripts ran | 14:41 |
| Pali | not possible | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | dependency is other script names? | 14:41 |
| Pali | there is no generic | 14:41 |
| Pali | dependeny is other event.d service | 14:41 |
| Pali | or upstart signal | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | i think 'start on started rcS-late' is proper one | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | as it mounts filesystems etc | 14:42 |
| Pali | ideally look for existing upstart services | 14:42 |
| Pali | there is IIRC some event that /opt was mounted | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | looked, and rcS-late seems the thing | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | rcS-late mounts /opt, swapons etc | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | and user dirs | 14:43 |
| Pali | initctl emit MOUNTS_OK | 14:43 |
| Pali | probalby you should starts when MOUNTS_OK signal is emitted | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | and if i only want that service to run /etc/rc.local then the only other thing in that file will be: exec /etc/rc.local ? | 14:44 |
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| Pali | yes, exec should be enough | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | lets hope this experiment wont end in bootloop | 14:54 |
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| KotCzarny | it didnt ran. hrm | 14:56 |
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| KotCzarny | do i have to register that upstart script somehow? rerun some cache regen? | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | umkay, changed it to run on that mounts-ok | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | #!/bin/sh | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | echo "[/etc/rc.local]" | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | oops. | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1520366&postcount=284 | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | this one | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | we will see how well it runs | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | pali/fmg: can that rc-local service be included in cssu? | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | it will make life of many n00bs easier i bet (and add empty /etc/rc.local too) | 15:20 |
| Pali | no, as wrote there is no generic way to run script at the end | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | pali, but having it run on mounts-ok is usually fine enough | 15:21 |
| Pali | on Maemo every script should be properly wrote as upstart service with correct dependencies | 15:21 |
| Pali | no it is not OK! any user script which needs dbus or hildon services will fail | 15:21 |
| Pali | that will lead to another problems | 15:22 |
| Pali | In past I fixed some extras packages, becuase sometimes they do not worked after boot | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | maybe /etc/event.d/hildon-desktop emit HILDON-DESKTOP-STARTED ? | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | *should emit | 15:22 |
| Pali | and problem was really here because... | 15:22 |
| Pali | you can specify "start on started hildon-desktop" | 15:23 |
| Pali | but again, if your script depends on something which has specified this line, that it will not work | 15:23 |
| Pali | look at dependency graph of services | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | when i tried 'start on started rcS-late' it didnt work | 15:24 |
| Pali | hm... it was never started? | 15:28 |
| Pali | or what "didnt work" means? | 15:28 |
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| buZz | 14:20:51 < Pali> no, as wrote there is no generic way to run script at the end | 16:08 |
| buZz | yeah that totally annoys me aswell | 16:08 |
| buZz | @ systemd | 16:08 |
| Pali | in event/dependency world there is no such way | 16:08 |
| buZz | gimme sysv any day :P | 16:09 |
| buZz | where its perfectly normal | 16:09 |
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| Pali | any idea what was RX-52?? | 16:30 |
| Pali | and RM-581?? | 16:31 |
| Pali | $ strings /usr/sbin/sscd | grep detected | 16:31 |
| Pali | it show something about RX-51, RX-52, RX-71 and RM-581 | 16:32 |
| bencoh | rm-581 : https://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 16:32 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51: ^ | 16:32 |
| bencoh | " Columbus, cancelled Harmattan device, N8-ish design (The story of Nokia MeeGo, Original My Nokia Blog Story) " | 16:32 |
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| KotCzarny | didnt work as in 'never ran' | 16:45 |
| KotCzarny | and as i've said, making it to depend on MOUNTS-OK made it work | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | havent tried any other starting trigger since mounts-ok is ok for my needs | 16:50 |
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| Pali | /usr/share/doc/csd-call/README.gz | 16:55 |
| Pali | There is example source code for csd-call: cscall.c file, simple command line call application implementation based in libcscall | 16:55 |
| Pali | Copyright (C) 2007 Nokia | 16:55 |
| Pali | it means that in 2007! Nokia had cellular modem and device with Maemo! | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | unless it ran on some development board | 16:58 |
| bencoh | it most prolly was a | 17:00 |
| bencoh | "devboard" anyway :) | 17:00 |
| Pali | but still it means that in 2007 they developed on Maemo cellular phone | 17:04 |
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| KotCzarny | 770 with a voice modem, mmm | 17:07 |
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| ShadowJK | They'd have had N800 and N810 at that point, and let's not forget there was the wimax edition at that time too | 17:16 |
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| fladnag900 | Goodevening | 19:19 |
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| fladnag900 | What browser do you guys use on your n900 ? ... Most webpages do not show or work corretly on my maemo-standartbrowser ... | 19:21 |
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| bencoh | fladnag900: I try and avoid browsing on n900 ... :/ | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | none | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | we are too short on memory | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | so forget about it | 19:24 |
| bencoh | but when I do need to, I switch between microb (stock browser) and dillo | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | microb and links here | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | and if i reallly, really must, fennec | 19:25 |
| fladnag900 | xD me to imean thought so | 19:25 |
| bencoh | maybe I should try adding some touch support to dillo | 19:25 |
| fladnag900 | Dillo ...heardof but never tryed ...and fennec ..?? Whatisthat where toget and ofcourse DOC ;) why do YOU avoid it somuch :) ? | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | fennec was a mobile project of mozilla/firefox | 19:27 |
| fladnag900 | Dont we have that already with this microb? | 19:28 |
| bencoh | microb is nokia's port of mozilla to maemo | 19:28 |
| bencoh | leveraging mozilla EAL | 19:28 |
| bencoh | err, browser-eal* | 19:28 |
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| pkill9 | how safe is software from extras-devel? that seems to be the only place with up to date software | 19:29 |
| fladnag900 | ...but the comunityversion eg fennec is ofcourse better than this microb forshure? ...Ithink iget right toit and lookfor inmy pmanager | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: to put it short, ANYONE can upload to extras-devel | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | so, not quite. but its still better than android market ;) | 19:30 |
| pkill9 | really? lol | 19:30 |
| pkill9 | what's wrong with android market? | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:31 |
| pkill9 | i don't use android | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | ridden with viruses? | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | trojans? | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | ads? | 19:31 |
| bencoh | everyone with an approved account, btw | 19:31 |
| bencoh | fladnag900: not so much actually | 19:31 |
| fladnag900 | Jea but who would do such viral/bad/terrorist kindothing like puting realy bad apps inthere ...?? :) | 19:31 |
| bencoh | fladnag900: fennec can come in handy for pages that dont load properly in microb, but that's about all | 19:31 |
| bencoh | apart from that, it's just heavier | 19:31 |
| pkill9 | does anyone here use python3.4 in maemo? | 19:32 |
| bencoh | and less ... ergonomic, somehow | 19:32 |
| pkill9 | I'd like to install it but it's from extras-devel, lol | 19:32 |
| fladnag900 | Okk | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: dragons be there | 19:32 |
| bencoh | if you really want something from extra-devels I'd suggest adding -devel and setup apt-pinning | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: remember its not really tested | 19:33 |
| pkill9 | ok | 19:33 |
| pkill9 | I doubt i'll bother with it tbh | 19:33 |
| bencoh | so that you'd only fetch something from -devel if it doesn't exist in other repositories | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | if you know app author, its quite safe to have latest version | 19:34 |
| pkill9 | ok | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | but treat it as unstable/testing | 19:34 |
| fladnag900 | Iremember alongtime ago inagalaxy... Onmy palm-tungsten-t3 orwasit5 ...i did use UDMH quite alot .. ;) Iwasthinking is there something like that for n900/maemo ... To overcome ram-shortage ?? | 19:34 |
| pkill9 | does anyone here use python3.4 on maemo? | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: your best bet is to read about it on t.m.o | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | there is a chance that python3.4 was discussed | 19:35 |
| pkill9 | what's t.m.o? | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | talk.maemo.org | 19:35 |
| pkill9 | ah | 19:35 |
| fladnag900 | Udmh= ultra dynamic memory heap ...sortof using flash for sortof extra ram .. | 19:36 |
| pkill9 | so does stuff actually get moved to the extra-testing and extra repoes? | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 19:36 |
| pkill9 | cool | 19:36 |
| pkill9 | glad it's still active | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | uploaders can promote packages to testing | 19:36 |
| bencoh | fladnag900: swap, basically ... and n900 already makes use of swap | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | if things are stable enough (gets enough votes) author can promote package again to extras | 19:36 |
| fladnag900 | Can the swap be COMPLETLY moved to a microsdcard ? | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | fladnag900: bad idea | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | slow and will break | 19:37 |
| fladnag900 | :) ... :( | 19:38 |
| CatButts | what is internal memory using | 19:38 |
| bencoh | not that slow with the proper sd card actually | 19:38 |
| CatButts | is that flash too? | 19:38 |
| bencoh | people reported it being fine | 19:38 |
| bencoh | CatButts: eMMC | 19:38 |
| fladnag900 | ;) ...butwill brake ?? :( ? | 19:38 |
| fladnag900 | Jeah ? | 19:38 |
| fladnag900 | Sori | 19:38 |
| fladnag900 | :) | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | if you maje a separate partition, you can try | 19:39 |
| CatButts | >The term eMMC is short for "embedded Multi-Media Controller" and refers to a package consisting of both flash memory and a flash memory controller integrated on the same silicon die. | 19:39 |
| CatButts | oh, so it IS flash | 19:39 |
| bencoh | CatButts: indeed | 19:39 |
| CatButts | and subjected to same write issues | 19:39 |
| bencoh | yup | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | CatButts: now ask him what brand/model sd card he has | 19:39 |
| CatButts | why? | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | if its some fake/noname? | 19:39 |
| CatButts | I dunno shiat about brands | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | slow. | 19:40 |
| CatButts | but yes, that is wise to ask | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | and prone to failures | 19:40 |
| bencoh | I actually had strange hang/reboot issues when using swap on microsd, and eventually moved back to swap on eMMC. but other people reported it works | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | and emmc in n900 is good quality | 19:41 |
| fladnag900 | Hmmmmm :) | 19:41 |
| fladnag900 | N900 is GOODQUALITY | 19:41 |
| fladnag900 | ;) | 19:41 |
| KotCzarny | yes, nokia | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | old nokia | 19:42 |
| fladnag900 | Jeah | 19:42 |
| fladnag900 | Deadnokia?? | 19:42 |
| fladnag900 | :D | 19:42 |
| fladnag900 | Sori | 19:42 |
| fladnag900 | :) | 19:42 |
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| fladnag900 | i cannot install uboot with powerkernel ...itdoes not say why ...what info from where do ihave totell you anyone here who has the knowledgde doc orsomeone please | 19:48 |
| fladnag900 | Icant just flash becouse allmy contacts and telephoestuff | 19:49 |
| fladnag900 | Or wasthere away to leave thispart ofthe memory inpeace ? | 19:49 |
| fladnag900 | :( | 19:52 |
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| fladnag900 | Buhuuu | 19:57 |
| fladnag900 | :( | 19:57 |
| bencoh | there should be a TMO thread about howto install uboot ... or a wiki page | 20:00 |
| bencoh | or both | 20:00 |
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| fladnag900 | Thankyou but the realproblem ihave ithink is that a can not install it becouse some conflict ..i deinstalled what i can tohelp ..there was backup and bootmenu and ihthink some powerkernel installed but not loadet ..shit :P HEELP :) | 20:05 |
| pkill9 | who here uses nokia n900? | 20:06 |
| fladnag900 | Ilove my n900's butheykilltime | 20:06 |
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| fladnag900 | XD | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: almost everyone | 20:06 |
| fladnag900 | XD ihave 3 | 20:07 |
| pkill9 | what is recommended to make the software great? | 20:07 |
| pkill9 | like | 20:07 |
| fladnag900 | Inaweek or2 ... 4 | 20:07 |
| pkill9 | I heard of CMMS | 20:07 |
| pkill9 | is there a guide on making it bleeding edge? | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: [autopromotion] oscp | 20:07 |
| bencoh | you dont want it particularely "bleeding edge" | 20:08 |
| bencoh | but there are a few pages/threads about the "best setup"/best apps | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | pkill9: 2 things kill the idea, 1/ only 256MB of mem (and most of it is eaten by default maemo), 2/ old kernel/libs | 20:08 |
| pkill9 | ah | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | but other than that, its linux | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | you can do anything you can do in linux | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | (hardware specs is the limit) | 20:09 |
| pkill9 | why can't kernel/libs be updated? | 20:10 |
| pkill9 | i'm guessing closed source | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | because blobs, but local heros are working on it | 20:10 |
| pkill9 | yay! | 20:10 |
| pkill9 | where can i find out the progress made on these things? | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | you can join the fight if you can | 20:10 |
| fladnag900 | Kotczarny please is there a way u could maybe do a remote conec orsomething to see what my problem is ??pleeeeeease | 20:11 |
| fladnag900 | :) | 20:11 |
| fladnag900 | Forreal | 20:11 |
| fladnag900 | Ihave 1mbit up and down | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | fladnag900: told you my idea already | 20:12 |
| fladnag900 | Justreflash ? | 20:12 |
| fladnag900 | Than cssu andthen anything else ? | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | that's a good starting point | 20:12 |
| fladnag900 | Isthere away that my phone contacts and sms surwive ? | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | ~bm | 20:12 |
| infobot | from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 20:12 |
| fladnag900 | And WHAT iso should iuse | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | though in your case it might be a problem | 20:13 |
| fladnag900 | What | 20:13 |
| pkill9 | KotCzarny: is there somewhere I can see the progress made on the blobs? | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | ~fpt | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys blob | 20:14 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'blob' by key (9 of 26): i don't know why the buildroot blob ;; initial install of blob ;; unfortunately, afaik that blob ;; blob_ram_base ;; i checked it. it's not because that blob ;; so, the old blob can't run not the bcr's problem , ;; and put in a warning that #blob ;; blob binary image ;; reblob. | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys closed | 20:14 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'closed' by key (12): security closed security environment ;; closed_packages #DEL# ;; #maemo closed ;; closedbsd ;; closed source ;; linux_not_closed ;; only reason to keep games closed source ;; security closed user group ;; closed #DEL# ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; toolbox _closedialog ;; toolbox _closedeskacc. | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | ćlosed | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | ~closed | 20:14 |
| infobot | it has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900 | 20:14 |
| pkill9 | tyty | 20:15 |
| fladnag900 | Cotczarny please what doyoumean i mycase could be aproblem | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | fladnag900: never used backup menu, but i think it integrates into boot process | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | maybe someone else could confirm or deny that | 20:17 |
| fladnag900 | You mean for saving contacts or simply for savety | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | for contacts you can simply export them to another phone | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | sms db is in home directory | 20:18 |
| fladnag900 | I deinstalled it an hour ago becouse i wastrying oncemore to install uboot with powerkernel ... | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | (contacts too) | 20:18 |
| fladnag900 | But ican reinstall | 20:18 |
| fladnag900 | Ok thanks | 20:19 |
| fladnag900 | :) puuh | 20:19 |
| fladnag900 | ... | 20:19 |
| fladnag900 | If i ever ged this towork .. :d | 20:19 |
| fladnag900 | But atleast i screwd the other display (that works) on to this n900 today ...for astart :D | 20:21 |
| bencoh | what do you mean by "screwed"? | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | switched/fixed | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:22 |
| fladnag900 | Jea | 20:22 |
| bencoh | ah | 20:22 |
| fladnag900 | Shit my english omg sori | 20:22 |
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| fladnag900 | One full working n900 ..ATLEAST | 20:23 |
| fladnag900 | Hardware ...fullworking that is ... :d fromsoftware ..it is quite a way more togo :( :D | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | is your usb ok or not then? | 20:24 |
| fladnag900 | Jeeeea | 20:24 |
| fladnag900 | This one works | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | then backup what you need and reflash | 20:25 |
| fladnag900 | ..the thertwo notsomuch ;) | 20:25 |
| fladnag900 | Okkk | 20:25 |
| fladnag900 | :) | 20:25 |
| fladnag900 | Buhuu i am afraid :D | 20:25 |
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| fladnag900 | Maybe i do something wrong ..what should i flahs ...there where somany iremember ...vanillas and such ... | 20:26 |
| fladnag900 | :) | 20:26 |
| fladnag900 | :( | 20:26 |
| fladnag900 | ...and with only internet on this n900 ihave to download it here and ... | 20:28 |
| fladnag900 | Jeah imlazy also ...ibetter getstarted | 20:28 |
| fladnag900 | Im just in fear of a reflash notworking and loosing this n900 also with my life as itis right now ...puuuh | 20:29 |
| bencoh | you prolly dont need to reflash to install uboot ... | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | as long you dont break usb, its unkillable | 20:30 |
| fladnag900 | Ok thakns kotcarny ;) | 20:30 |
| fladnag900 | But | 20:30 |
| fladnag900 | whats a "prolly" :) | 20:31 |
| fladnag900 | ? | 20:31 |
| bencoh | english slang for "probably" | 20:31 |
| fladnag900 | Okk but i told cotczarny already (which is ithink the most nowledgable user inthis chat) of myproblems with powerkernels and hethinks its the bestidea te reflash and start fromscratch ... | 20:34 |
| fladnag900 | Cotczarny : what image should i flash in your opinion ...iremember ihave already downleadet evrythin there was a while ago if the reflash images have not changed somuch i could search for the hardisk thatcontains it and flash it .. | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 20:37 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | and no, there are no new flash images since 2011 | 20:38 |
| fladnag900 | Ok thanksman :) youre thebest | 20:38 |
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| sicelo | fladnag900: gandalf? from some shell provider? | 20:55 |
| sicelo | i think i remember this nick from long ago :-/ | 21:00 |
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