IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2016-12-10

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Vajboh there seems to be new omp version in devel. I wonder will i be stable? Also i wonder will "not played" list remain intact if i upgrade to new version.12:15
Vajbwill it* who is eating my letters?12:15
Wizzup_omp is stable for me12:15
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* DocScrutinizer05 eats letters for breakfast :-)12:45
gryDocScrutinizer51, hi12:48
gryDocScrutinizer51, I didn't quite follow our previous conversation about osso-xterm, there are two things to it. one, it's supposed to be in the repos, and if it isn't, it means there is a long list of things missing12:49
infoboti heard pkg is
grytwo, I would like to use it because I don't know how else to develop a new hildon app, if not in terminal. not familiar with the process. I want to have a code, a compiler, and an ability to run an app in one place somewhere12:50
gryI can probably download .deb from that page, but I would ideally like the package manager to know of the package by itself12:51
DocScrutinizer05two: you want to use sb for that12:51
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grysb = scratchbox?12:51
gryif I make it in scratchbox, will I then be able to install it in the maemo itself and see what it looks like?12:52
KotCzarnythat's the point of sb12:52
KotCzarnyto build software for n90012:52
KotCzarny(or any configured target)12:53
KotCzarnyit also has a scripts to run that software on device12:53
gryis there a hello world scratchbox tutorial for dummies? :)12:53
KotCzarnyso you dont have to copy yourself12:53
infobotit has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
Oksanaa1) is scratchbox already packaged in whatever virtual image Gry found and uses; 2) will sb-packaged app be installable on virtual machine (to avoid hassle of emailing it to real device)?12:53
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infobotit has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
DocScrutinizer05Oksanaa: sb bouilds for two targets: x86 for virtual device aka emu, and armel for N90012:54
gryOksanaa, a 'sbhome' launcher on the desktop of the vm looks promising12:55
grynot that I know how to use it, but maybe sb is available in that 'thing'12:56
OksanaaNice :-)  Especially if sb builds deb files for both targets at the same time... Should be easy to specify, either way12:56
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KotCzarnynice step by step12:57
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grythank you both :-)13:00
KotCzarnythere was an instruction how to run package on the device automatically, cant find it13:00
gryoh architectures should go to hell hopefully, I'm running this in a vm and not on device yet13:01
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DocScrutinizer05please READ that!13:01
KotCzarnyyou can still run armel binaries in sb13:01
grybut I've put a note of all these URLs in a file, so I'll at least attempt to have a go at them13:01
KotCzarnybut it might be slow13:01
gryoh you mean please read about architectures, or about everything else...?13:02
KotCzarnyx86 target was invented to develop quickly13:02
DocScrutinizer05>>The Maemo SDK supports two architectures, X86 and ARMEL, and provides development environment for both. In Fremantle, the X86 environment is used for active development and has better tool support through native execution without the need for emulation. The ARMEL target is used only for cross-compilation of applications to work on the actual device. <<13:02
KotCzarnys/develop/develop and test/13:02
infobotKotCzarny meant: x86 target was invented to develop and test quickly13:02
DocScrutinizer05>>The emulation however is not complete, so the actual testing must be performed on the device.<<13:03
KotCzarnyif you run armel binaries in sb they will run through qemu13:03
gryso if I have a choice I should start to play with x86 at first13:03
KotCzarnytheoretically both targets are equal during devel13:03
OksanaaYes, and once you get x86 working well, feel free to feed deb-src to auto-builder13:04
KotCzarnybut 1/ x86 is faster to test, 2/ there might be bugs in app related to diff. arch, so final testing on device is required13:04
DocScrutinizer05Oksanaa: ack, though you should first switch sb target to ARMEL and build for and test on N90013:05
grythat helloworld thing linked above looks like a heaven piece of art, I'll start from there13:05
Oksanaa/me cheers13:05
KotCzarnyyay for hello worlds!13:05
DocScrutinizer05again, please read the ff13:06
grythat's when keeping notes on a wiki, and using pretty faces next to links on that, helps, right Oksanaa? :)13:06
KotCzarnyand yeah, you might even keep notes on wiki's user page13:06
KotCzarnywhich might help other users13:07
KotCzarnyfor example:
Oksanaa/me notes that gry runs her own ikiwiki, but yes, information should be kept well-linked and easy to find13:07
KotCzarnynow go add something to
gryI'm keeping on a personal wiki off-side so far, which includes an ambitious wishlist and some URLs to existing maemo wiki pages, but I'll copy it over to the maemo wiki userpage once it's got anything meaningful13:08
KotCzarnyit doesnt have to be meaningful, its your scratch pad13:08
KotCzarnywhich helps other maemo users13:08
grysleep time for now, I'll copy it over any time I'm awake enough without other tasks taking priority13:09
Oksanaa/me links
gryfor what is this again? for a plugin to share things on a wiki? :)13:09
OksanaaYes, I would like to be able to post photo's on ikiwiki's blog _without_ having to jump through the hoops of web-browser and markdown13:10
grydoes the thing already have other sharing plugins for, say, mediawiki or mediagoblin?13:11
DocScrutinizer05ooh and just in case: NEVER EVER do a "rm -rf /scratchbox"! at least not before you shut down all the bindmounts13:11
grysure, but I can do that in a vm I think . the worst it would do is damage the guest OS :)13:11
grywhich I would also of course try to avoid13:11
OksanaaRm -rf is usually a bad idea, yes.13:11
KotCzarnyoksanaa: have you seen?
OksanaaGry: mediagoblin? Mediawiki? Can bet: no, no sharing plugins for either, yet.13:12
KotCzarnybeware if you have work to do ;)13:12
gryOksanaa, what 'sane' sharing plugins do we have?13:13
grylike, not twitter-bird, not facedesk, etc13:13
OksanaaGry: ftp is the sanest. Actually, neat, if it truly works. Cannot recall last time I used an ftp, though...13:16
DocScrutinizer05I'm using sftp to my own shareservice13:16
OksanaaDoes sharing-service-ftp work with sftp?13:17
DocScrutinizer05it's ... lemme check...13:17
Oksanaa/me uses winscp routinely, for sftp I think if I recall correctly13:18
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DocScrutinizer05great lil thing13:21
OksanaaGreat :-)  but: command-line, not "Click and Go"13:23
KotCzarnywell, you have an idea for a great maemo app13:24
OksanaaOoh, sorry...13:24
DocScrutinizer05it *executes* a cmdline13:24
DocScrutinizer05on click13:24
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DocScrutinizer05you configure the cmdline in GUI13:25
DocScrutinizer05then it gets executed when you share anything13:25
OksanaaOkay, then should just see which command lines can send file to ikiwiki13:25
DocScrutinizer05%s is the file handle iirc13:25
DocScrutinizer05settings -> share-accounts  -> share-cli13:30
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VajbWizzup: which version u have?  apt-cache policy openmediaplayer14:00
Vajb  Installed: 20150829-114:00
Vajb  Candidate: 20161108-114:00
KotCzarny2015 seems old14:00
Vajbyup but it works14:00
Vajband besides i noticed update only yesterday14:01
Vajbi believe the idea "don't fixit if it aint broken"14:01
Wizzupdoes that apply to security bugs as well?14:02
KotCzarnywell, you say it's unstable14:02
Vajbno i didn't or at least i wanted to ask if new version is stable14:06
KotCzarnyah, ok14:06
VajbWizzup: well if something has a hole it's broken14:06
KotCzarnyuh oh14:07
KotCzarnynot entirely true14:07
KotCzarnyactually having holes in toliet paper makes it tear at the right spot14:08
KotCzarnynot to mention hole in the a**14:08
Vajbyes, but it is designed hole14:08
Vajbmaybe i should have included word security14:08
Vajbbut if u think of it. Emergency exit is kindof security hole14:09
Vajbbut that doesn't answer my question about newest omp being stable or not ;)14:09
Vajbnor it answers my question if my "not yet played" list will remain intact in upgrade process14:10
KotCzarnymaybe i should add system wide queuing to oscp14:11
KotCzarnythough i dont use it in this way, and no one requested such feature14:11
KotCzarnyfreemangordon, pali: would it be possible to backport zram to 2.6.28 ?14:12
Vajbwhat ever happened to k.i.s.s method with oscp ;)14:13
PaliKotCzarny: no idea... I'm not going to do it as 2.6.28 is really old14:13
Wizzupyeah, please focus efforts on being able to use new sw14:13
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Wizzupnot work on bringing cool new stuff to old/unmaintained stuff14:13
KotCzarnymainline on n900 is still months away, while zram could benefit all users quick14:14
Wizzupwell, I guess nobody is stopping you14:15
KotCzarnygoogle is nice sometimes14:22
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