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| drathir | guys omp really not support web links? | 01:16 |
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| drathir | sad that smplayer/mplayer cant use hw acceleration for playing webstreams... | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ((is *.maemo.org fully functional again?)) I'd think yes, if you refer to the hw/BIOS issue | 06:54 |
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| ulyaoth | hello | 08:35 |
| Oksana | hi :-) | 08:37 |
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| ulyaoth | could i run c code compiled in windows intel x64 on the armv7 cortex? | 08:47 |
| MoeIcenowy | qemu + wine | 08:50 |
| MoeIcenowy | + a lot of patience | 08:50 |
| MoeIcenowy | ulyaoth: ^ | 08:50 |
| ulyaoth | could i do something to the source or change compilers or something? to produce a linux executable for this type of processors? | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ulyaoth: sure, compile for armel, not for x86 | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | if you have the source, better to recompile | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | ~tabletsdev | 08:56 |
| infobot | tabletsdev is, like, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you however will have a hard time running *windows* programs on maemo | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | last link for vm sdk | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | with binutils and compilers prepared | 08:57 |
| MoeIcenowy | If the program uses Windows API, it will still be a disaster... | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 08:59 |
| MoeIcenowy | although you can try arm version of wine | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | but with skills and patience it can be ported | 09:00 |
| MoeIcenowy | wine come with a wrapped gcc, which supports compiling programs with Windows API and linked to wine's fakedlls | 09:00 |
| MoeIcenowy | teamviewer's linux version uses this trick to reuse the codebase of the windows version | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh! | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not on maemo, I'm sure | 09:01 |
| MoeIcenowy | but I think a wine is too heavy for a maemo ;-) | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | windows would be too heavy for N900 even without wine wrapper | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless it's win98 | 09:03 |
| MoeIcenowy | just too heavy for maeno, not too heavy for N900 | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 09:03 |
| MoeIcenowy | arm wine will cost hundreds of megabytes, which is not acceptable on maeno | 09:04 |
| MoeIcenowy | maemo | 09:04 |
| MoeIcenowy | but can still be used | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why do you think maemo can't handle 100s of MB? :-o | 09:04 |
| MoeIcenowy | oh of course you can put it at /opt | 09:05 |
| MoeIcenowy | a resized emmc maybe can fit this ;-) | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, that's HARDware, not software | 09:05 |
| MoeIcenowy | is your windows program open-sourced? | 09:05 |
| MoeIcenowy | and the most important problem, is it written in C? | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | or c++ | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:06 |
| kerio | it doesn't have to be written in c | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >><ulyaoth> could i run **c** code..,<< | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | but best is to find an already linux based alternative | 09:06 |
| MoeIcenowy | yes | 09:06 |
| kerio | if it's C# you can use mono :^) | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: isnt mono horribly outdated? | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | especially mono for n900? | 09:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 slaps kerio with a large trout | 09:07 | |
| MoeIcenowy | but it may be interesting to try out a Notepad++ running on N900 ;-) | 09:07 |
| kerio | and every language that doesn't run in a vm has C bindings anyway | 09:07 |
| MoeIcenowy | as there's Notepad++ arm binaries, which is recompiled for jailbroken Surface RT | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | MoeIcenowy: go for it | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | then upload package to extras ;) | 09:09 |
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| kerio | KotCzarny: anything for n900 is horribly outdated, duh | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | nope. oscp isnt | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 09:10 |
| kerio | ayy | 09:10 |
| MoeIcenowy | at least many things for n900 is horribly outdated | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | uses latest libav and other libs | 09:11 |
| MoeIcenowy | n900's openconnect cannot even connect to my ocserv ;-) | 09:11 |
| MoeIcenowy | So I had never an effeicent way to break the Great FireWall of China on N900 ;-) | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, that "outdated" and "new release" fetishism always. Check out grep for example, guess when it been updated last time. Or cat, or date | 09:12 |
| MoeIcenowy | oh can N900 be set to defaultly use some socks5 proxy? | 09:12 |
| MoeIcenowy | if it can, it may be valuable to port a shadowsocks to it | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MoeIcenowy: maemo is linux | 09:13 |
| MoeIcenowy | DocScrutinizer05: yes, so it has no proxifier ;-) | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and N900 runs maemo | 09:13 |
| MoeIcenowy | and I'm not sure whether proxychains can work | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: re outdated - most of the times it is like how you say, however, we have few cases like ssl and similar | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | MoeIcenowy: biggest problem is probably outdated openssl with old certs/protocols | 09:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ack | 09:14 |
| MoeIcenowy | KotCzarny: yes | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you can recompile with statically linked updated openssl | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | (as a temporary measure) | 09:14 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: why statically? | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: to not mess with the system? | 09:15 |
| freemangordon | 0.9.8 and 1.x can coexist happily | 09:15 |
| MoeIcenowy | I have never homebrewed any Maemo binarys | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | but if different versions can coexist, sure, go | 09:15 |
| freemangordon | SONAME :) | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~soname | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | i like LD_LIBRAR_PATH | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | i like LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 09:15 |
| freemangordon | you don't need it for openssl afaik | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | shortens cmdline a bit | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~soname is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html | 09:16 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess new openssl would require some serious patching | 09:17 |
| freemangordon | why? | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | because last time i've tried to compile openssl in sb it failed | 09:17 |
| freemangordon | https://github.com/community-ssu/openssl/tree/master/debian/patches | 09:17 |
| freemangordon | besides a couple of patches there, nothing else should be really needed | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 09:18 |
| freemangordon | your failure could be related to outdated gcc | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | then why we dont have maemo upgraded yet? | 09:19 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: because nobody tries to do it | 09:19 |
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| KotCzarny | jonwil: ! | 09:19 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 09:19 |
| freemangordon | jonwil what? you think this is one man task? | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | you've said it shouldnt be a problem :) | 09:20 |
| freemangordon | != "it is easy" | 09:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | upgrading ssl is a problem just for the closed blobs that are linked agianst libssl0.9.8 | 09:25 |
| bencoh | MoeIcenowy: does anything prevent openconnect from getting an update btw? (ssl maybe) | 09:26 |
| MoeIcenowy | bencoh: I don't know | 09:28 |
| MoeIcenowy | I only downloaded it from extras | 09:28 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: so you suggest we should have both openssl and openssl1.x and rebuild all source packages depending on openssl? | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, maybe the usual, someone has to do it? | 09:28 |
| bencoh | (after changing depends/rdepends) | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: that's the obvious solution | 09:29 |
| MoeIcenowy | but my ocserv is down now ;-) | 09:29 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: I wouldn't mind working a bit on that part | 09:29 |
| MoeIcenowy | but openconnect is really something useful for serious works ;-) | 09:29 |
| MoeIcenowy | the offical kernel of maemo come with tun/tap support, right? | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | first you have to get updated openssl into extras though | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MoeIcenowy: afaik yes. when not, get powerjernel | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | (or compile it at all) | 09:30 |
| bencoh | MoeIcenowy: not sure about stock one. kernel-power sure does | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel* | 09:30 |
| MoeIcenowy | can kernel-power coexist with u-boot? | 09:31 |
| bencoh | MoeIcenowy: sure! | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it actually needs uboot | 09:31 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: the thing is cssu stuff would benefit from it as well | 09:31 |
| bencoh | and we don't want to have cssu depend on extras | 09:31 |
| MoeIcenowy | there's really no one working on getting shadowsocks work on N900... | 09:32 |
| bencoh | neither did we want extras to depend on cssu thus far | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, sure, its even better place, because would coerce users to move to cssu | 09:32 |
| MoeIcenowy | maybe because shadowsocks is a program usually useful inside PRC ;-) | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: nothing wrong with providing libssl1x via both maemo-extras and CSSU | 09:32 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: maybe | 09:32 |
| bencoh | could be asolution indeed | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | still, you should have packages ready for submission | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | then you can worry where to submit | 09:34 |
| bencoh | krkr | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the nice thing is even: you don't need to build it locally for CSSU when maemo-extras autobuilder can do that for you | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just copy | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or do we have an autobuilder for CSSU now? | 09:36 |
| bencoh | we dont | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so make a maemo-extras-devel libssl1x and we can push it to maemo-extras in no time | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then just the git wizards do some include-blabla magic to import the package into CSSU whenever a package needs it | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/import the package/import the SSL package/ | 09:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: then just the git wizards do some include-blabla magic to import the SSL package into CSSU whenever a package needs it | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, libssl1x for sure isn't in the maemo-PR metapackage, so it's perfectly feasible to provide it via maemo-extras | 09:44 |
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| bencoh | yeah | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually I don't see much of a reason why CSSU can't or shouldn't depend on packages from maemo-extras. after all maemo-extras is enabled per default since IIRC PR1.2 | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, we're not talking about extras-devel ;-) | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr12 | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.2 | 09:50 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 09:50 |
| sicelo | MoeIcenowy: i think for breaking through GFW, you can build openvpn with XOR patch. works good on N900 | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.3 | 09:51 |
| infobot | i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.4 | 09:51 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.5 | 09:51 |
| * infobot beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 53.8 times. "That's your PR1.5!" | 09:51 | |
| bencoh | :D | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.5 | 09:57 |
| * infobot beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 54.9 times. "That's your PR1.5!" | 09:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.5 | 09:57 |
| * infobot beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 75.3 times. "That's your PR1.5!" | 09:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | consequent :-) | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather consistent (sorry, false friend) | 09:59 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~pr1.3.1 | 11:46 |
| infobot | combined is, like, the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ | 11:46 |
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| n90043ww4 | hello | 13:30 |
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| n90043ww4 | hey does someone know if there is a hotspot app for maemo that does not need power kernel ? | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | was in a hurry | 15:28 |
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| sicelo | answer for him would have been a No, right? | 17:01 |
| sicelo | is there a hotspot application for Maemo that can do better than WEP? | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | i think the answer is no because there is no support for hostapd/master mode? | 17:02 |
| sicelo | unfortunate | 17:03 |
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| gry | In the vm, osso-xterm is not in the repositories. Which application catalogue should I add? | 22:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | the vm? as in the sdk? you can't install xterm in the sdk IIRC | 23:18 |
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