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warfareEverything going down now.17:52
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freemangordonAndroid_808: hi!18:35
freemangordonI managed to build h-d, finally :)18:35
Android_808hi, finally got home18:35
freemangordonin devuan VM. Now I am building it in devuan on allwinner tablet18:35
freemangordonAndroid_808: how to setup theme for h-d to use? I installed alpha theme, but h-d didn;t pick it up18:36
Android_808I', just going over it at the moment.  Apparently it still builds with the Mer hack in place :) I'm reverting the hack now.18:37
freemangordonAndroid_808: I made 2 pull requests, please merge18:37
Android_808Try symlink /usr/share/themes/alpha to /usr/share/themes/default.18:38
freemangordonAndroid_808: tried it, nothing18:38
KotCzarnyfmg: run h-d via strace?18:39
KotCzarnyshould be doable on that tablet18:39
KotCzarnygrep 'open'18:39
freemangordonKotCzarny: I tried that in the VM18:39
Android_808Whats the output when running through the console, if I remember it has something to do with backgrounds not being found.18:40
freemangordonyes, it cannot find pvr files18:41
freemangordonbut that should not be a reason for missing switcher button image18:41
Android_808Ok, copy the background[1-4].png to ~/.backgrounds18:42
Android_808Wouldn't even start for me without those in place.18:44
Android_808any luck?18:45
freemangordonjust a second18:46
freemangordonAndroid_808: no such files in alpha theme, shall I use the ones from n900?18:47
Android_808I know I copied them in from somewhere, one sec18:48
Android_808alpha package, /usr/share/themes/alpha/backgrounds/ called background1.png, background2.png by the looks of it18:51
freemangordonweird, I have files called "wallpaper", not background18:51
freemangordonI just pulled alpha package from maemo repos18:52
freemangordonAndroid_808: also, this is x86, that might be the reason it starts at all18:55
* freemangordon checks in SB18:55
freemangordonno background1.png in SB too18:56
Android_808whoops, yeah wallpaper[1-4].png.  wallpaper in theme, background-[1-4].png in ~/.backgrounds18:57
Android_808From hildon-theme-alpha_9.1+0m5_all.deb18:57
freemangordonI copied those from the device :)18:58
freemangordonlooks way better now, but task switcher button is still pink :)18:58
freemangordon"could not find icon tasklaunch..."18:59
Android_808There is a backgrounds...service for want of a better phrase that I don't have running yet that populates the hildon-home dialogs IIRC.  Maybe that copies current theme wallpaper over.19:00
freemangordoncould be19:01
freemangordonany idea where are the icons?19:01
freemangordonhmm, in theme it seems19:02
freemangordonbut h-d cannot find it19:02
Android_808what was the full path?19:06
freemangordonno path, just tasklaunch_default_application19:09
freemangordonI guess this is icon19:09
Android_808that doesn't sound quite right for task switcher.  try mkdir /etc/hildon, then ln -s "/usr/share/themes/default" '/etc/hildon/theme'19:11
Android_808I know I don't have icon theme installed so its defo not that.19:12
freemangordonlooks better now :)19:15
freemangordonAndroid_808: any idea how to run h-d on ARM with SW rendering?19:18
Android_808Right, both them commands are part of theme-config/theme-default-settings/theme-default-settings-[variant].  The nokia binaries release is only a postinst script, as mentioned the other day.  I have literally just upped a copy to my repo of it repackaged.  not 100% sure if i can do this but all it does it set up symlinks.  All we need to do later is change the default theme name when we have a gtk3 ready theme.19:20
Android_808Not 100%.  I'm gonna guess it would need mesa with gles support and gallium drivers.19:25
freemangordonok, installing libgl1-mesa-swx11 seems to fix it19:26
freemangordonbut now I have "libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate" and the segfault :(19:27
KotCzarnythat's in vm or on tablet?19:27
freemangordonin vm there is no problem19:28
KotCzarnyit looks like a common problem with mesa/arm19:29
KotCzarnytry reinstalling mesa packages?19:30
freemangordones2gears starts without problem19:30
Android_808There's a bit on with same error19:31
KotCzarnyor check what and points to19:31
freemangordonso segfault seems unrelated, lets see what gdb says19:31
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bencoh(is suppose techstaff is working on infra?)19:32
Android_808another suggests removing libgles2-mesa19:33
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freemangordonAndroid_808: that will remove clutter :)19:34
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Android_808unfortunately I don't have *any* devices to actually test on at the moment so I only use x86_64 VM Stretch image, running x86_64 Jessie in nspawn container or an Eee 1000 running a x86 Stretch nspawn.19:38
KotCzarnycheck what libs ldd shows?19:38
Android_808What are the tablet specs or make&model19:40
KotCzarnyq8 clone19:41
KotCzarnyallwinner a33 based19:41
freemangordonit has mali GPU, but I was hoping to run it without HW accell19:41
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KotCzarnyunfortunatelly none of the arm 3D chips have open source or at least mainline driver (afair)19:44
Wizzupfreedreno has one19:45
Wizzupso for adreno gpu's19:45
Wizzupbut it doesn't matter much if you're just using it as test/dev device19:45
Wizzupas in, then you don't necessarily need a foss one (would be nice)19:46
KotCzarnywizzup, i think there isnt even an unofficial patch for mali19:47
KotCzarny(but i might be wrong)19:47
Android_808Can you force X11 to load llvm driver?19:50
NotKitwhat about LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1?19:50
NotKitwith MESA installed19:50
freemangordonwill try both19:51
freemangordonNotKit: renderer is already SW - "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11"19:53
NotKitcould you try LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose?19:55
freemangordonchanges nothing19:56
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Wizzupit should say llvmpipe as renderer20:06
Wizzupsome distros should allow you to switch between backend20:06
NotKitwith LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose it should display what driver library MESA is trying to load, if MESA is used20:08
freemangordonWizzup: I don;t see llvmpipe at all here20:09
Android_808freemangordon: forgot to say, merged your commits.  Added another to revert the Mer changes.20:09
freemangordonWizzup: how to install that, any idea?20:09
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Wizzupfreemangordon: let me look around for a bit20:10
Wizzupdoes glxinfo give you anything?20:11
Wizzupglxinfo | grep renderer  ; glxinfo | grep version20:11
freemangordonsure, lots of stuff20:11
Wizzupwhat does it say for renderer?20:11
freemangordonrenderer is mesa20:12
freemangordonWizzup: "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11"20:12
freemangordonWizzup: apt-get install llvm-dev?20:13
KotCzarnymaybe jessie's mesa isnt compiled with it?20:13
WizzupI am tryin to find out if that can be found out by looking at the libs20:13
freemangordonshould I install gallium driver?20:14
Wizzup this seems somewhat relevant20:14
Wizzup(still digging)20:14
WizzupIt should at least say llvmpipe if you're using that, so I think right now you don't have it20:15
Android_808I can't see llvmpipe in arm packages, so you may need to rebuild mesa20:15
freemangordonseems like20:15
WizzupThat would be quite annoying20:15
KotCzarnyfunnily ubuntu bug that made them disable it shows just that error msg20:15
freemangordoncool :)20:15
WizzupWondering if I can just give you my mesa...20:16
freemangordonWizzup: armhf?20:16
KotCzarnyso maybe its enabled, but something is messed up in os20:16
freemangordonKotCzarny: no, it is disabled because of unity20:16
KotCzarnyerror msg is the same (and segfault too ;)20:17
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Wizzup may be worth a shot.20:17
WizzupIt's from my armhf chromebook20:17
WizzupOtherwise, maybe we can get parazyd to build it20:17
Wizzupdevuan should not care about unity20:18
freemangordonWizzup: just extract that in /?20:18
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Wizzupfreemangordon: well, I don't know if that is sensible, but you could.20:18
Wizzupmaybe back up some things it may override20:18
Wizzupagain, this is from my gentoo laptop, so it may work, but it may also not work, or things may be in a different place20:18
Wizzupfreemangordon: on unrelated note, how did you extract the firmware from your android?20:19
WizzupI want to move forward on the tablet tonight20:19
freemangordonWizzup: with the extractor, but it didn't work :)20:19
WizzupApparently my tablet is also q8, so maybe I can just try something that you have?20:19
freemangordonso I found TS FW over the inet20:19
WizzupAha. I was thinking of rooting the android / install a shell20:19
freemangordonWizzup: adb does the job20:19
Wizzupah. right.20:19
Android_808do you have a link for the tablet?20:19
WizzupAndroid_808: I only have a link to the shop I got mine, and I cannot say for sure it'll work yet.20:20
Wizzupbut it's this one:
Wizzupfreemangordon: idea .... tar tf the tar20:20
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Wizzupcopy all the paths in the tar, as in backup it20:20
Wizzupso, ehm...20:20
Wizzuptar cjf debian-mesa-maybe.tar.bz2 $(tar tf mesa.tar.bz2)20:21
Wizzupthat might work? at least to save any devuan things20:21
Wizzup(may need to add a / to the paths)20:21
Wizzupin any case, if you don't care about the image, you can just go ahead and try it right away20:21
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Wizzupor perhaps use some LD_LIBRARY_PATH hack, idk20:21
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freemangordonWizzup: won;t work, as lib paths are different here20:24
freemangordonwill try LD_PRELOAD20:24
Wizzupwhat are the lib paths?20:24
WizzupI see20:25
freemangordonalso, thre is no mesa dir at all, just dri20:25
Wizzupthere must be a libGL at least20:25
parazydWizzup: let's continue here. what mesa version? waht's up?20:25
WizzupI think all the important libs are in /usr/lib (in my tar), so LD_LIBRARY_PATH may just work20:25
Wizzupparazyd: would be nice if the mesa packaged in devuan has llvmpipe enabled20:25
Wizzupit's the much-faster software renderer20:26
WizzupThat way one can get somewhat usable opengl without gpu/drivers20:26
freemangordonparazyd: for armhf that is20:26
parazydi'll see what i can do20:26
parazydnot sure if it can end up in jessie quickly, but i can give you a .dev20:27
freemangordonwill help a lot20:27
parazydit's this one? libegl1-mesa20:28
WizzupIt's the one that contains libGL I think20:28
Wizzuplibegl is not a gl implementation library, but a way of using opengl that supports opengles, iirc20:29
WizzuplibGLES are the ones that implement opengles20:29
Wizzupfreemangordon: actually, do you need opengl or opengles?20:29
freemangordonI thing gles220:29
WizzupLet me compile eglinfo and friends as well20:30
Wizzup(those are actually useful tools)20:31
Android_808line 96 in debian/rules of Jessie package disables llvmpipe for armhf20:31
Android_808of mesa20:31
Wizzupfreemangordon: the devuan image that you're using for the tablet, is it the one I downloaded at some point, for the n900? Or where did you get it from?20:32
WizzupOr it is just a rootfs, and then your own u-boot+kernel image20:32
parazydAndroid_808: just looking at it :)20:32
freemangordonWizzup: the one for n90020:32
parazydcomment:  # Do not build llvmpipe for armhf, it regresses compared to the classic swrast.20:32
WizzupI need to go in a bit, but will take my tablet with me, hoping I can make it all work tonight20:32
parazydfreemangordon: ^^20:32
Wizzupparazyd: it regresses for unity20:32
Wizzupyou don't care about unity20:32
Wizzupparazyd: also, what mesa does devuan ship?20:32
Wizzuphm, that is very old20:33
parazydthat's what you get with debian20:33
freemangordonparazyd: well, swrast segfaults, what llvmpipe does then?20:33
Wizzupfreemangordon: once I have that tablet image up, I can see if I can use my gentoo mesa and make it work for us for now20:33
freemangordonWizzup: ok20:33
WizzupI might but you about that a few more times today20:33
Wizzupdid you solder serial on it?20:33
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freemangordonwhat is weird is that es2_gears work20:35
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Wizzupfreemangordon: and eglinfo ?20:38
DocScrutinizer05warfare: good luck!20:38
freemangordonWizzup: no eglinfo here, only es2_info20:39
Wizzupcan I execute hardfp binaries on the n900, or will that just not work because of libc and such?20:41
freemangordonWizzup: in maemo?20:41
xes#Maintenance Update: we are still alive ;)20:42
Wizzupoh, hang on, I didn't update the tar well.20:42
DocScrutinizer05xes: really?20:42
DocScrutinizer055 min ago "no connection"20:42
warfareDocScrutinizer05: alive as in "the hardware is working"20:43
DocScrutinizer05aaah :-)20:43
Wizzupfreemangordon: contains recent mesa-tools20:43
Wizzupmine says:20:43
Wizzup$ es2_info  | grep RENDER20:43
WizzuplibEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate20:43
WizzupGL_RENDERER: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.7, 128 bits)20:43
Wizzupso: llvmpipe can do opengles220:44
freemangordonwill test later, gtg now20:44
Wizzupack :)20:44
DocScrutinizer05since only x-fade has +f ( :-/ ) would you please ping me as soon as any news re servers and /topic ?20:45
DocScrutinizer05or wait, even simpler20:45
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DocScrutinizer05anyway maybe pinging me is simpler, I got the full history of topic in buffer20:46
DocScrutinizer05a matter of seconds to restore previous versions20:46
Wizzupfreemangordon: when you get back, I presume you built the u-boot according to this page - ?21:07
Wizzupalso wondering if the tablet will boot from sd by default, I guess it should, if they used mmc0 for the sd card21:08
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: still depends on hw setting of BOOTP[5:0](?)21:10
DocScrutinizer05there's quite a number of options to select from, there21:11
DocScrutinizer05Neo900 will boot from mmc0 only if there's no working xloader in NAND21:12
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: talking about some allwinner tablet21:13
Wizzup(that we will use for hildon porting21:13
DocScrutinizer05I know21:17
DocScrutinizer05though I'm not aware this is another CPU, so nevernind21:17
Wizzupthe typical boot order for allwinner is something like mmc0,nand,mmc2,spi-flash or something21:17
DocScrutinizer05aaah, ok21:17
WizzupI just wonder what slot the sd card is hooked up to (mmc0 or mmc2)21:17
* DocScrutinizer05 sentimentally thinks back to "porting maemo to other devices? No way, noob!" - we should have been less arrogant ;-)21:19
infobotit has been said that down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at
DocScrutinizer05gry: service is hoz21:22
DocScrutinizer05[2016-11-26 Sat 19:42:10] <xes> #Maintenance Update: we are still alive ;)21:23
DocScrutinizer05gry: warfare is just giving a helping hand to the hardware in datacenter21:30
grysounds good.. pics please, would be lovely to see the hardware itself :)21:33
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DocScrutinizer05warfare: ^^^ :-D21:34
DocScrutinizer05xes: how far were your XEN updates when blade-b went south?21:40
DocScrutinizer05gry: I'm afraid it might already be too late, I guess warfare accomplished the hardware related part21:43
xesDocScrutinizer05: both blades are up and running. Blade-b has already received the updates of last week, blade-a is one week behind and will need another reboot. Now I'm importing the blade-b VMs into the new Xen 4.6 hypervisor and fixing what need to be retouched21:47
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DocScrutinizer05xes: warfare: many many thanks!21:52
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parazyd!#$@ i hate debian package layout/system22:12
enycparazyd: howso/whyso?22:14
parazydenyc: it's annoying and bloated22:14
parazydwhy can't it be more like alpine/gentoo/arch22:16
bencohmeh, tomato/tomaydo :)22:19
parazydfreemangordon: Wizzup: building mesa now... could take a while, since non-native22:21
* parazyd also hopes he got the flags correct22:21
Android_808freemangordon: hildon-desktop - new commit.  hildon-status-menu - updated to use hildon-3.  status-menu-applet-profiles - finally commited gtk3 port.  Won't build without osso-profiles-l10n-public though.22:25
DocScrutinizer05l10n  ouch! The one package where Nokia has copyright issues with their own translators or whatever been the reason for this mess22:35
DocScrutinizer05I *think* timeless provided alternatives, prolly in sourcecode22:37
DocScrutinizer05hmm, maybe I'm mixing that with i18n22:37
parazydomg, copyrighting translations22:40
enycparazyd: whats does the extra bloat implement featurewise?22:42
parazydenyc: i really don't know. have you seen what debian source packages look like?22:42
Android_808well, it built before so I'll see what happens if I just remove the build-dep22:43
enycparazyd: very varied22:44
enycparazyd: debian/ directory added to (whatever) source package22:45
enycparazyd: lots of debhelper variants and options possible, big history to this =))22:45
parazydin my book, a single file always wins over that directory which is full of stuff22:45
parazydvery complicated as well22:45
DocScrutinizer05there are pros and downsides for each approach. See the increasing number of /etc/*.d/* for example22:47
parazydDocScrutinizer05: what does .d have to do with that?22:47
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DocScrutinizer05editing a small file dedicated exclusively to one purpose,  on a zoo of files - way simpler than doing same in one large file that concatenates all that stuff22:48
DocScrutinizer05e.g. /etc/crontab vs /etc/cron.d/*22:49
parazydi wouldn't compare it like that though22:49
DocScrutinizer05for the latter cp, mv, rm, are sufficient, for the former you need nifty sed jobs22:49
parazydi'm just comparing it to other (binary) package managers22:49
DocScrutinizer05nevermind my rant though, i'm a) not competent regarding debian (or any) packages, and b) I actually find the apt and friends tools rather complicated22:53
DocScrutinizer05I however like to have a look into *.deb or whatever they're named, by simply opening them in an archiver like Ark or even in mc22:54
freemangordonWizzup: well, I just did git clone, make $some_config and then make23:02
freemangordonAndroid_808: ok, going to pull23:02
Android_808I was wrong about the l10n deb, its a depend not a build depend.  I've replaced my Mer profiled now but somewhere along the way I've lost my status-menu actually displaying anything in the drop down menu :(23:04
Wizzupfreemangordon: right, so the q8 defconfig as on the wiki23:04
Wizzupand the kernel I guess is just v7defconfig, or sunxi defconfig?23:04
freemangordonmost probably, can't remember23:04
Wizzupfreemangordon: and it auto boots from sd card due to boot prio?23:04
freemangordonI am booting through fel23:05
Wizzupwith sdcard as rootfs23:05
freemangordonremember to enable USB OTG, TS,  etc23:05
freemangordonnot enable in sunxi_defconfig23:05
Wizzupmainline kernel I presume. and for u-boot, I guess q8_a33_tablet_1024x600_defconfig23:06
freemangordonalso, for wifi I had to find out-of-tree driver, my tablet is with some weird RTL chip23:06
freemangordonWizzup: lemme see if I can find which config I used23:06
parazydWizzup: would you mind taking notes of the kernel build?23:06
parazydWizzup: i can include the tablet as a board in arm-sdk then23:06
Wizzupparazyd: yeah, although I presume I'll be doing kernel boards more often, and it's not a super-easy to get tablet I think23:07
parazydwhat do you mean?23:07
parazydi'm only providing a minimal rootfs for now, not worrying with X yet23:07
freemangordonWizzup: "make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- q8_a33_tablet_1024x600_defconfig"23:07
Wizzupthat I can also document it a bit later, but I'll keep track of it, but it mostly seems simple23:07
Wizzupfreemangordon: ack, I am arm native so don't need the cross compile23:08
WizzupLet's see how far I can get23:08
freemangordonWizzup: better try with fel first IMO23:08
parazydWizzup: yep i guess it's mostly like all other allwinner stuff23:08
WizzupI figured out what button the fel mode is23:08
NotKitwhat's needed for x86_64 build in case of Intel tablet?23:08
Wizzupparazyd: it seems identical to most allwinner stuff, except that I didn't try lcd screens before on allwinner23:08
Wizzupbut I guess if they connected the lcd pins correctly, few things could go wrong23:09
freemangordonWizzup: sudo ../sunxi-tools/sunxi-fel -v -p uboot u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin write 0x46000000 zImage write 0x49000000 sun8i-a33-q8-tablet.dtb write 0x43100000 boot.scr23:09
Wizzup(famous last words)23:09
Wizzupthanks! that *is* useful23:09
freemangordonNotKit: build of what?23:09
parazydWizzup: try sun8i_defconfig instead of sunxi_defconfig for the kernel then23:10
freemangordonWizzup: actually ^^^ might be the config I am using for kernel build23:10
freemangordoncan't remember :)23:10
parazydwell if uboot says so... :)23:11
NotKitHildon UI23:12
freemangordonNotKit: the same as for ARM23:14
Wizzupfreemangordon: kernel 4.8 or 4.9-rc ?23:14
freemangordonyou'll need to tweak dts as well23:15
Wizzupfor the display, or for buttons?23:16
freemangordonfot TS and for wifi, maybe23:16
Wizzupok, so (initially) non essential23:17
freemangordonthat chinese lady said she has more thing on her kernel branch, but I didn't play with it23:17
WizzupI recall audio and video23:18
Wizzupbuilding u-boot atm23:18
Wizzupany clue if you can hard force-off your tablet? In case something hangs23:18
Wizzuppresumably just holding the power button...23:18
freemangordonpress-n-hold power button23:18
freemangordonthoug, if it is in fel mode dunno23:18
freemangordonbut I was told those are unbrickable23:19
WizzupI opened it up, so I can always remove the battery23:19
freemangordonwell :)23:19
freemangordonoh, the same RTL chip if i see it correctly23:20
parazydwhich one is it?23:20
freemangordonthe one with the cancer on it IMO23:21
parazydyeah, but is it for wireless networking?23:22
parazydso i'm wondering that model number23:22
freemangordonmine is with RTL8723BS23:22
freemangordonhmm, or not23:23
freemangordonit is RTL, but I am not reading the nubler very well with my aging eyes23:23
parazydit could be BS (no pun intended)23:25
parazydbecause bluetooth23:25
freemangordoncould be23:26
parazydno sorry i'm wrong. AS also has bluetooth23:26
parazydgeez this mesa is taking forever23:27
freemangordonwell... no option but to wait23:27
Wizzupfreemangordon: silly question, would it take a long time to make a copy or your image?23:28
Wizzuphm, nvm, I'll work with the sunxi people first to get info that I need23:29
freemangordonWizzup: just you what I provided back then23:29
freemangordonthis is what I use23:29
freemangordonwell, almos23:29
freemangordoncan;t do it now, as it is mounted as / :)23:29
DocScrutinizer05\o/ tmo back23:35 back23:36
DocScrutinizer05might need yet another boot, or two, I don't know23:39
parazyddoing upgrades?23:39
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Android_808freemangordon: do you have correct output from profileclient -l in vm?23:51
freemangordonAndroid_808: no idea, I am tryind to make h-d run on the tablet23:52
Android_808ok.  just trying to work out what screwed up the status menu.  getting lots of "Failed to connect to socket /tmp/session_bus_socket: No such file or directory"23:53
freemangordondbus crashed?23:56

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