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| DocScrutinizer05 | so.... late | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: nobody will even notice ;-) | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also an image of a VM hardly takes longer than 2h | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tepo.m.o maybe 3 | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | repo* | 02:20 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: it will take all the night and maybe something more | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, who cares | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note that you're *strongly* supposed to have a complete backup on off-site backup chem|st implemeted since he didn't like what I offered | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's my final comment on this issue todsay, I got other way bigger fish to fry | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure my offer would have made expense of ~50 nucks / month, but then you'd be 'root' on the off site storage. NFC what is the concept now# | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mot my headache either, THANK GOD!! | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "you were supposed to handle the migration, which is done now, SO STFU anfd fuck off" - OOOO...KAY!! | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: if you or Flak need my help, ping me in /query ! | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Falk* - sorry | 02:51 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: i think everyone here knows that [maemo] can count on you | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal down | 03:20 |
| infobot | "#maemo down" is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page" | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. <xes> #Maintenance Notice: i'm going to stop stage (repository) | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 03:23 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~down | 03:23 |
| infobot | down is probably "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. <xes> #Maintenance Notice: i'm going to stop stage (repository) | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 03:23 |
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| zZap-X | i am trying to setup a call divert on my n900 using these codes: **21*phone number where calls are to be forwarded# | 08:46 |
| zZap-X | however, the n900 responds with 'unknown service' | 08:46 |
| zZap-X | 'Service code not supported' | 08:47 |
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| zZap-X | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ is unreachable grrr whats going on? | 09:07 |
| princefakhan | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159 | 09:10 |
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| bencoh | silly question but ... why backup/poweroff repository now if next planned maintainance should occur on the 2? | 09:43 |
| bencoh | 27* | 09:43 |
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| xes | bencoh: we need a "cold" complete (zero-thoughts) backup ready to be exported before maintenance in case something else goes south | 10:27 |
| bencoh | I see :) | 10:28 |
| bencoh | well, good luck anyway, and thanks again :) | 10:28 |
| xes | ;) | 10:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: is repo up again? | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: asking re /topic change | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err not topic, ~down | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm nope | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or ganglia is wrong | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Last heartbeat 0 days, 18:40:17 ago<< | 18:24 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: no, sorry. Almost completed, but not yet ready | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ganglia suggests some disk full | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not entirely sure which one and if at all | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/11/23/plasma-desktopIf2244.png | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeh well, that is misleading, seems it's still some 200GB free | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | those zero-offset diagrams are a tad tricky :-) | 18:36 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: yep. I'm moving things in a very limited space | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please fix ~down factoid or ping me so I may do, as soon as repo is up again | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw my estimation for how long a backup might take been based on time for a xen snapshot, not applicable here for obvious reasons | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW I been pretty wrong guessing a backup of a VM might take 2h | 18:48 |
| bencoh | well that vm is particularly huge ;) | 18:50 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: during the years stage "had" to host various ..backups | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: yup, iirc some 700+ GB | 18:56 |
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| bencoh | time to clean that up (once everything's back in order) maybe :) | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think there's not much to clean up in repo to reduce size. It just *is* that large :-) | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | repo could USE some cleaning | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | old versions arent cleaned up properly (i can see that in oscp case for example) | 19:01 |
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| ds3 | now if the repo was on a netapp filer or something that does snapshots.... | 21:11 |
| zZap-X | for some reason i cannot resolve: http://repository.maemo.org/ ? | 21:34 |
| zZap-X | can anybody else resolve it? | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | see topic? | 21:35 |
| zZap-X | ohhh | 21:36 |
| zZap-X | the link is about a coding competition? | 21:37 |
| zZap-X | oh your swapping hardware | 21:40 |
| zZap-X | i wonder if there are other mirrors in the world | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | just wait few hours/days? | 21:41 |
| zZap-X | aye ok | 21:41 |
| zZap-X | all i need is the star hash function so i can divert calls | 21:42 |
| zZap-X | maybe i could just download the package for now | 21:42 |
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| xes | #Maintenance Notice: stage (repository) is up and running | 22:12 |
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| zZap-X | awesome!!! | 22:16 |
| zZap-X | its back!!! | 22:16 |
| * zZap-X feels excited | 22:16 | |
| zZap-X | works perfect | 22:20 |
| zZap-X | set up a call divert from nokia n900 to android phone for when im not using the n900 :D | 22:29 |
| zZap-X | works perfect | 22:29 |
| zZap-X | this is a bit like having 2x sims | 22:29 |
| zZap-X | divert is free too because both phones are on same network :D | 22:29 |
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| badcloud- | are the official maemo repos down? | 22:54 |
| badcloud- | ah sorry, just noticed topic | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 23:06 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: many thanks! | 23:06 |
| bencoh | <3 | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~down | 23:08 |
| infobot | somebody said down was "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 23:08 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: yw | 23:19 |
| bencoh | not sure I got it though ... did you migrate the vm? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what is this "replace PSU" stuff all about? | 23:20 |
| bencoh | hm I guess I could read the thread | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: techstaff made a full backup of repo VM | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for doing si, the VM needs to get stopped | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so* | 23:21 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: there is no detailed plan. Our kind of hardware seems to have a long story of problems. I think we will have to consider some proactive action (that at the moment is not yet possible to define) | 23:23 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: but once it's started, backup is no longer uptodate | 23:25 |
| bencoh | so I don't understand why you'd have to stop a vm to make a then outdated backup | 23:25 |
| bencoh | doing an lvm snapshot (to "freeze" device at a coherent state) and backup (dd) the resulting device would have been as good (?) | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, "why do you want me to tell you about which time it is? this is constantly changing and the moment you hear what I say it'S already obsolete" ;-P | 23:26 |
| bencoh | I'm just trying to understand, maybe I missed something there :) | 23:26 |
| bencoh | (and thanks again!) | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those a VM disk images, of 700GB size | 23:27 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: so? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the general aproach and best practice is to stop the VM before you copy the VM's disk image | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but whatever, ask xes. I'm not involved | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think when xes takes down a VM then there's sound reason for doing so | 23:29 |
| bencoh | 23:26 < bencoh> I'm just trying to understand, maybe I missed something there :) | 23:29 |
| bencoh | and I'm not the one working on it so I wouldn't blame/criticize anyway, just talking tech :) | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the point being this is an external backup (in xen host), not a backup in system of VM | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just one 700GB+ file to get copied from local storage to somewhere else | 23:31 |
| bencoh | btw if I were to mirror extras*/community*, how much space woud I need? 200G? | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a lvm snapshot possibly would require massive resources and not work any faster | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked into lvm and how it manages snapshots though | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway even *if* it could get done, the snapshot still would be that of a live system, not a shut down system | 23:34 |
| bencoh | it keeps a COW table | 23:34 |
| bencoh | meaning you can keep writing to device while retaining snapshot | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally you need VM disk images of powered down VM | 23:35 |
| bencoh | (actually it is a reverse-COW table, meaning that main device will get written to, and "snap" device will result of main device + reversed-writes) | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no good style to load and start a live system into a VM | 23:36 |
| bencoh | anyway :) | 23:37 |
| bencoh | so ... how large is extras*/community*? | 23:37 |
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| slobber | i can't believe maemo is still alive! holy crap! | 23:40 |
| bencoh | it is ! <3 | 23:40 |
| slobber | i had an n810 back in.. 09, must've been | 23:41 |
| slobber | which i sold in 11 and got a wimax n810 about a year ago on a drunken night | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | it didnt lose its usefulness, and planned obsolete which rules the electronics now, just sucks | 23:41 |
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| KotCzarny | get n900, they are cheap. (assuming you like linux phone) | 23:41 |
| slobber | i have a moto x pure that i love getting mad at | 23:42 |
| slobber | also, wasn't all that happy with maemo back then | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | then why did you come back? | 23:43 |
| xes | bencoh: ~1.4TB we need a zero-thoughts backup that could be migrated anywhere | 23:43 |
| bencoh | I see | 23:44 |
| slobber | KotCzarny: dug out my old n810, thought maybe i'd give it another try | 23:44 |
| slobber | somehow | 23:44 |
| slobber | last i looked into it the repos were dead or something? | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | do you use it as audio player? | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | see topic regarding repos and maemo.org in general | 23:44 |
| bencoh | slobber: nokia's repo are | 23:44 |
| slobber | no, should i be? i have a fiio i'm pretty ok with | 23:44 |
| slobber | ok topic is gonna be super helpful | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | ie. maintenance | 23:44 |
| slobber | oh boy | 23:44 |
| slobber | "forever maintenance | 23:44 |
| slobber | "? | 23:44 |
| bencoh | nah not forever | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | as for nokia repos you need to replace them with a mirror | 23:45 |
| slobber | oh you mean yours are under maintenance | 23:45 |
| slobber | yeah, gotcha | 23:45 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: I never mirrored maemo for n810, unfortunately :( | 23:45 |
| bencoh | and I don't think there is a public mirror for n810 | 23:45 |
| slobber | oh | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | i though i saw some n8x0 repos on your mirror, hum | 23:46 |
| slobber | so you only have n900 mirrored? | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | i have n8x0 repos partially mirrored | 23:46 |
| bencoh | slobber: for the previously-nokia-hosted part, yes | 23:46 |
| slobber | ah | 23:46 |
| bencoh | slobber: the community mirrors (extras, for instance) are still up&running | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | mirrors.muarf.org uses an invalid security certificate. | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | (Error code: sec_error_cert_signature_algorithm_disabled) | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: ^ | 23:47 |
| bencoh | it's not invalid, it's cacert ... | 23:47 |
| bencoh | mozilla just displays a shitty error | 23:47 |
| bencoh | .... | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:47 |
| bencoh | seriously I don't understand why it display "disabled alg" while it just doesn't know the rootca | 23:47 |
| bencoh | this is silly | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | something fallbacks? | 23:48 |
| bencoh | ? | 23:48 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: btw you're supposed to use maemo.muarf.Org, not mirrors.muarf.org | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: first link on google ;) | 23:49 |
| bencoh | ah shit :) | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, want to grab my diablo copy? (probably old but better than nothing i guess) | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | 150M in catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com and 2.7G in repository.maemo.org | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | though for repository its chinook, oh well | 23:53 |
| bencoh | is that a real/full diablo copy? | 23:54 |
| bencoh | (I remember seeing something around on the internet but I don't think it was complete) | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | who knows, most likely done with wget (it was in 2008, i dont remember) | 23:54 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: good enough for nokia's repo you know ;) | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | though i see diablo in updates subdir | 23:54 |
| slobber | i shouldn't buy an n900 | 23:55 |
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| slobber | it's just not a good phone these days | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | its a good PHONE | 23:56 |
| bencoh | it's not that bad as a phone | 23:56 |
| slobber | but i do wish there was a new phone of that style.. just, better screen, thinner, better camera etc | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | see neo900 | 23:56 |
| slobber | is it bad as a pooter? | 23:56 |
| slobber | looking, KotCzarny | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | ~neo900 | 23:56 |
| infobot | hmm... neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ | 23:56 |
| bencoh | and it's still great as a pocket linux or pocket communicator (hw keyboard inside) | 23:57 |
| slobber | ohhh i think i've run into this ebfore actually | 23:57 |
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| slobber | oh, that's not cheap either but i ugess that's crowd funding for you | 23:57 |
| sicelo | and is a little thicker than N900 | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | it uses n900 chassis | 23:58 |
| enyc | neo900 will start a crowdfunding properly early next year if proto_v2 successful as expected | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | so unless something sticks magically out, it should be the same in size | 23:59 |
| enyc | all described on the news posted on neo900.org | 23:59 |
| slobber | hmmm okay | 23:59 |
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