IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2016-11-22

bencohDocScrutinizer05: err.... I'm not sure I'd prefer wiki/www over repository....00:00
DocScrutinizer05particularly wiki is a tad unfortunate when it's down for a week00:00
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: well, that's what I said00:01
bencohwiki is great, but there is no public mirror for repository (ie extras*) afaict00:01
bencohwhereas there are a few wiki dump / mirror around00:01
xesDocScrutinizer05: sadly it is not possible. The high speed storage is full after we added talk. Run the other vm in the low speed one ...well, is a really a bad idea00:01
DocScrutinizer05well, ok. So no shutdown of repo.m.o00:01
DocScrutinizer05ooh I see00:02
DocScrutinizer05swap the drives? err needs hands00:02
DocScrutinizer05iirc we should have a 2 of 6 slots free in blade-a still00:03
DocScrutinizer05should suffice for the blade-b highspeed raid00:03
DocScrutinizer05I might be wrong00:04
bencoha link to meanwhile?00:04
DocScrutinizer05excellent, just we prolly can't simply forward via DNS, could we?00:04
sicelothanks for the work00:05
siceloi agree with bencoh that we can live without wili for a while longer than without repos00:06
bencohDocScrutinizer05: prolly not just dns00:06
bencoha reverse proxy would work though00:07
DocScrutinizer05so we got a DNS forward wiki.m.o -> t.m.o, maybe add a rewrite/redir to t.m.o webserver for the wiki.m.o URL?00:07
bencoh(and you could even serve it as https with the proper cert, if you have it around)00:07
bencohwiki.m.o already redirects to t.m.o iirc00:08
DocScrutinizer05that's what I said00:08
bencoh"maybe add a rewrite/redir" I didn't get it then00:08
DocScrutinizer05wiki.m.o -DNS-> t.m.o  -apache-3xx_redir->
bencohsomething like that, yeah00:10
bencoh(preferably not a permanent apache redir, so that browsers won't cache it "forever")00:11
DocScrutinizer05no, TEMPORARILY MOVED TO...00:11
DocScrutinizer05dunno the 3xx code00:11
bencohme neither :)00:11
DocScrutinizer05    307 Temporary Redirect (since HTTP/1.1)00:13
princefakhanbencoh: surprisingly well on my OnePlus 2.00:15
bencohprincefakhan: can you play on cstrike servers?00:15
bencohand ... wait ... don't tell me you play cstrike on a touch phone?! o.O00:15
princefakhanbencoh: havent tried that yet00:15
princefakhanhaha. not really. I actually hate playing games on touch phones00:16
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DocScrutinizer05~#maemo down is SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. Wiki mirror at
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay00:36
infobotit has been said that down is SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. Wiki mirror at
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princefakhanI am not sure if you can play on official servers00:41
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OksanaAbout upgrading MicroB: is interesting, even though it should be noted that MicroB does not seem to use much XUL, if any. Not sure if other differences Goanna vs Gecko are relevant (XPCOM? IP-API?)05:12
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MaxdamantusWhat would be the difference between upgrading microb and just using something else?06:24
Maxdamantusor is microb here including the SMS UIs?06:25
OksanaMicroB, or its engine at least, is used for SMS UI, yes. It may or may not be better to just write SMS UIs in Hildon, but that's complicated.06:39
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KotCzarnyoksana: newer js for one?08:12
KotCzarnywhich might or might not be faster08:13
jonwilI see no reason you couldn't keep the current microb blobs for use by those things that use them (i.e. rtcom-messaging-ui and nokia-maps) and replace just microb as a browser (both the open-source engine part and the mostly-closed-source UI part)08:19
jonwilIf we could throw away the piece of obsolete bug-ridden garbage that is adobe-flashplayer, replacing things becomes even easier.08:22
KotCzarnyjonwil: memory footprint08:33
jonwilYou could probably write a library that let rtcom-messaging-ui work with something new I bet and just keep maps (which doesn't keep the browser engine loaded in memory all the time like microb the browser and rtcom-messaging-ui does and doesn't use the browser-ui blobs either) as-is08:35
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warfareDocScrutinizer05, bencoh: I've added the redirect from wiki.m.o to the web archive page.09:30
DocScrutinizer05great, many thanks! :-)09:31
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bencohyay :)09:39
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rEv9what is the status of the N900 and Maemo? is there still updates and development of maemo 5? Its hard to find any information about the latest updates for N90011:07
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KotCzarnykeyword: cssu, mainlining, fremantle porting task11:14
KotCzarnyand infrastructure is under maintenance atm11:14
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rEv9but redirects to an page.. and is fremantle working on a N900 today?11:16
KotCzarny1/ see 'under maintenance'11:17
KotCzarny2/ porting task does reverse engineering closed apps too, so in a way it allows updates on the n900 too11:17
rEv9ah ok11:18
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bencohrEv9: bottom line is: it's quite alive and rocking :)11:39
bencohhm btw11:40
bencohDocScrutinizer05: could you add a notice to TMO regarding maintainance?11:40
bencohwith a link to tmo maintainance thread11:40
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rEv9bencoh: so you use CSSU on your phone atm? do you recommend me to upgrade?11:49
bencohto CSSU, certainly, yes12:05
bencohI use cssu stable with a few packages cherrypicked from -testing12:05
bencohquite a lot of people use -testing on a daily basis, so it should be fine as well :)12:06
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: sorry, tmo is maintained by chem|st, I am not active in maemo maintenance and techstaff anymore12:09
bencohriight :)12:25
sicelore - flash player .. is there even still a site that supports our flash player?12:27
KotCzarnyads, mostly12:28
KotCzarnyand some games12:28
KotCzarnygoogle kongregate12:28
sicelowhat's that .. a game?12:28
WizzupI use gnash on my arm alptop12:28
KotCzarnynah, site with games12:28
WizzupKotCzarny: hopefully a lot, otherwise a lot of content is gone12:29
sicelookay. [ /me doesn't play browser-games, and in fact detests everything that uses browser ... just using a browser to browse ;) ]12:29
jonwilSo much content these days has moved off Flash12:29
jonwilto HTML and JavaScript and things for games and apps and content12:30
jonwiland to HTML audio/video for media content12:30
Wizzupnew content, not old content12:30
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L29AhWizzup: how's your gentoo?12:36
KotCzarnyi wonder if 'go compile yourself' can be used offensively in gentoo world12:39
WizzupL29Ah: good q, blog post is not there yet, I will make it ... let's see, before end of this week. however, my gentoo experiment was mostly for seeing how much I can get to work, and gentoo was the best choice for that12:44
Wizzuphowever, I think I want to see if I can help with devuan and stuff after that12:44
L29Ahi wonder if you got up phone calls and ui for that12:48
Wizzupthat'd be in the devuan deparartment12:48
L29Ahdevuan sounds interesting, is there a roadmap anywhere?12:48
Wizzupnot yet. I promised fmg to make some map/plan and work from there, also to see what maemo parts we can port over12:54
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L29Ahslap me when you have something, i may want to join the effort12:57
Wizzupawesome. that's what we'd hope for12:57
L29Ahi'm not a debian guy tho, just want to see fresh sw on n90012:57
L29Ahso there may be lots of dumb questions from me12:58
bencohsicelo: you might want to update flash player with the one from meego/n912:58
WizzupI'm also not a debian guy, so that'll be a fun journey12:58
Wizzupthere is a devuan image that you can download right now to try it out, but it doesn't come with usable phone sw (and careful about audio, I think), parazyd might know where to find that image12:59
bencohsicelo: and then changing advertised version (using any hex editor) in binary helps with some sites12:59
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L29Ah til13:18
L29Ahlooks like the kernel is pretty much ready for all my n900 use cases13:18
KotCzarnynice. what a pity he doesnt frequent #maemo13:18
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bencohKotCzarny: yeah...13:23
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bencohiirc fmg worked on this driver as well, so ...13:23
bencohI wonder why 2.5MP13:26
bencohand I wonder what happened to the previous driver (the default maemo one)13:26
L29Ahisn't it closed-source?13:27
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bencohah, I just noticed the signed-off-by :)13:27
bencohL29Ah: maemo kernel is open source13:27
bencohthere are a few closed bits13:27
bencohbut they sit in userland13:27
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siceloWizzup: meego/n9? hmm ... is it known to work?16:59
siceloon N900 that is?16:59
L29Ahbencoh: then i don't get why it was that troublesome to get all the features mainlined17:02
L29Ahor were there device drivers in userspace?17:02
Wizzupsicelo: I don't know17:11
bencohL29Ah: kernel changed quite a lot since the version we have in maemo ;)17:12
bencohand this part (v4l2) keeps changing afaict17:13
erstazisicelo: I am sure you could run an older version of meego however I am not sure how suggested that is (I have a n900 still as my daily personal phone)17:14
erstazisicelo: << this is 201517:14
L29Ahi see17:16
erstazisicelo: you also might want to look into Mer which is branded as Meego 2.0.
bencohlatest mer/nemo doesn't work on n900 (because of qt5) ... and it'd be way to heavy anyway17:32
bencohand really working n900 nemo releases have been removed from there repositories17:32
bencohavailable nemo images for n900 all have a problem of some sort (broken sms, phone, wireless, dialer, battery, whatever)17:33
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siceloerstazi: yay! i have wanted to test meego for a long time ;)18:05
erstazisicelo: not sure how accurate that is so take head. You might want to backup before doing anything18:05
erstazisicelo: and read what bencoh typed18:06
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siceloi did try Nemo back in the days18:08
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DocScrutinizer05LOL, we been faster than silego themselves at realizing this:  >>How can you easily add new features when you've used all the IO available already? How can Silego expand the number of IO? With the new I2C block, GreenPAK makes an ideal GPIO expander allowing you to add new features, logic, timing, and sensing to already highly integrated designs.<<19:21
DocScrutinizer05sorry ECHAN19:22
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KotCzarnyfmg: lol22:43
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freemangordonKotCzarny: just managed to "boot" n900 uImage :)23:36
xes#Maintenance Notice: i'm going to stop stage (repository) to create a backup copy. Due the size of the VM this operation could last many hours. Thank you for your patience23:36
freemangordonKotCzarny: oh, if mer has working 3d graphics, then it will be even easier23:37
freemangordonanyway, enough for today, night23:37

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