| fishbulb | dkbrz, when you could only get mostly beige computer shit, that's what you had to do. we used vinyl dye on monitors and stuff. CRT. | 00:00 |
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| fishbulb | the n900 isn't popular anywhere | 00:01 |
| dkbrz | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WVU7t3YRWRk/Slyv02gQq-I/AAAAAAAAAHk/oh66JDZ6VtI/s400/vlcsnap-522755.png | 00:01 |
| fishbulb | I neve rwatched that movie and I probably never will | 00:02 |
| dkbrz | fishbulb: that's why now I usually paint consumer electronics beige | 00:03 |
| atk | hahaha | 00:03 |
| atk | you pain them beige to bring back the memories? | 00:04 |
| dkbrz | atk: i will not elaborate on religious topics :P | 00:04 |
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| dkbrz | fishbulb: it's a good movie. especially at the end, when cast titles start, you can compare them with early phrack magazine | 00:06 |
| fishbulb | I grew up somewhere there was nothing TO hack | 00:06 |
| dkbrz | oh.. Soviet Union? | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | but I built computers, because the internet basically didn't exist, and my first computer was pretty cool, but I never gave a fuck about hacking, I liken it to sniffing someone elses underwear | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | nah I mean there were BBS's and whatever, the internet cost a fortune and there was nothing on it. | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | there is hacking, and there is cracking | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | hacking is fiddling with something until it works (this or that way) | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | cracking is about doing something illegal | 00:09 |
| fishbulb | I like hardware hacking | 00:09 |
| dkbrz | fishbulb: c'mon, real men allways remember times wher men were men and were soldering their computers themselves. mine was illegal copy of Sinclair ZX Spectrum | 00:09 |
| fishbulb | ok then, I liken cracking to breaking into someone's house then bragging about how they only had this transparent stuff between the outside and the inside and all it took was a rock | 00:10 |
| fishbulb | dkbrz, I mean if you want to build a computer now, it's almost like lego, if you wanted to build a computer back when everything was beige, you basically didn't | 00:11 |
| fishbulb | the internet almost didn't exist and was barely worth using | 00:11 |
| fishbulb | I mean like 20 years ago, I was a young teenager and the only way I could get a computer was by building it, but you couldn't just google it | 00:12 |
| atk | "back when everything was beige" | 00:12 |
| atk | you make it sound like the beige was the cause of the problem :P | 00:12 |
| fishbulb | 20 years ago | 00:12 |
| dkbrz | fishbulb: I did. and all guys in our yard. had to learn how to solder a bit.. buy parts on a black market... retype firmware machine codes from paper magazine... download software fia FM radio night broadcasts.. renting professional equipment for debugging from state enterprice employees wanting to make couple of extra bucks | 00:13 |
| fishbulb | there was hardly any information, people didn't really build their own computers. you went to a computer store and bought one for about 2 or 3 grand, and it was actually cheaper to build one | 00:14 |
| fishbulb | I just built computers for other people for slightly cheaper than the stores sold them for | 00:14 |
| dkbrz | fishbulb: 'Soviet Union' part was not a joke :))) | 00:15 |
| fishbulb | it was new zealand, so it was pretty isolted | 00:15 |
| fishbulb | there was still all the same stuff, but the internet was expensive, bulletin boards were alright | 00:15 |
| fishbulb | but we mostly did normal stuff outside, becuase none of us had money | 00:16 |
| atk | I spent a lot of my childhood outside, can confirm, nobody had money, outside was more interesting than inside. | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | fishbulb, you can now get sbc board (4x1.2ghz arm, 2gb ram, hdmi, 40pin gpio etc) cheap and have fun building devices | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | and it can be as small as matchbox | 00:18 |
| dkbrz | KotCzarny: tra'ts cool. when my son asks me to buy him a computer, i'm not going to be cruel and offer him soldering iron, but buy him one of these :) | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, and grab some sensors/motors/relays | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | and order him to make something useful ;) | 00:21 |
| dkbrz | KotCzarny: yea, kids: 'if you want to have an internet, you must break the encryption' | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | bad thing docs/google arent available without net ;) | 00:24 |
| dkbrz | you can allways knock to father's room and have a nice bedtime discussion on mitm attack vectors | 00:26 |
| dkbrz | there are also plenty of old paper books and blueprinte there | 00:28 |
| vectis3_ | DocScrutinizer05: Hi, I have done a continuity test on the usb port of this n900, using this as a guide: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=28426&stc=1&d=1347051101 I'm getting continuity on all four points. Would it be reasonable of me to assume that this indicates a problem elsewhere with this board? | 00:33 |
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| fishbulb | KotCzarny, I don't like the raspi and etc boards | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: yes | 00:44 |
| fishbulb | right tool for right job, the digital gpio pins have never been very useful, I got one, soldered a 16x2 to it, and it was like 5 things that weren't very useful now it's gathering dust | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | i made me a player/router/server out from one. ~2W power usage. pretty impressive comparing to 20-60 of the x86 | 00:46 |
| fishbulb | arduino projects end up being more useful and fun. except I would never all C fun | 00:46 |
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| fishbulb | well if it's a job that might use a crappy old pc, then it's perfect | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: though take care to actually probe <1Ohm | 00:46 |
| vectis3_ | DocScrutinizer05: ok, thankyou. That saves me wasting time and effort trying to solder something that I can barely see. | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing :) | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (1Ohm is right from my rear, might be 2 or 3) | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check schematics | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxuaXRkcm9pZHxneDo0ZDBkZThmOGFiZThlNmU0 | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next suspect in my book is PHY chip | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka "HS USB transceiver" | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a fried and shorted V5301 OVP component | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/OVP/ESD/ | 00:55 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: or a fried and shorted V5301 ESD component | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you may want to make sure there's no short from D+/- to GND | 00:57 |
| vectis3_ | Didn't find any short. | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thne it's PHY, or CPU | 01:00 |
| vectis3_ | Safe to say that it's u/s then? | 01:01 |
| fishbulb | is the fmms person here? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | u/s? | 01:02 |
| fishbulb | is there a version that works with the latest cssu stable | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fmms = frals | 01:02 |
| vectis3_ | UnServiceable | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, unless you swap PHY 1707 | 01:02 |
| vectis3_ | Ok, thanks again. | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which possibly is a nasty task, since 1704 is common, 1707 not | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or was it the other way around? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_PHY | 01:04 |
| fishbulb | is there a version of FMMS that works with cssu stable? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FMMS (like every other app) works with CSSU like it does with stock maemo | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 01:08 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>So this CSSU is the recommended update method for Maemo 5 Fremantle. It's **not a new version of maemo distribution**.<< | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you *really* (really REALLY! verified and checked) found an app that *works* under stock maemo but doesn't under CSSU updated stick maemo, then that's an issue to report to CSSU team, NOT to the app maintainer | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/stick/stock/ | 01:13 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: when you *really* (really REALLY! verified and checked) found an app that *works* under stock maemo but doesn't under CSSU updated stock maemo, then that's an issue to report to CSSU team, NOT to the app maintainer | 01:13 |
| fishbulb | a version: that works | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does this make any sense? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I expand you rpost that looks like >>is there a FMMS version that works?<< which is a weird question | 01:15 |
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| fishbulb | Awesome and useful answer | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 01:18 |
| infobot | [question] If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 01:18 |
| fishbulb | if you have an answer that's just bitching about the question, then fuck off? | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I wish he would accept advice and actually *read* http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>In the world of hackers, the kind of answers you get to your technical questions depends as much on the way you ask the questions as on the difficulty of developing the answer. This guide will teach you how to ask questions in a way more likely to get you a satisfactory answer.<< | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe actually not helpful to people like fishbulb who think the question is always fine and when they don't get the answer they expected they are entitled to bitching and swearing at those who gave the "wrong answer" | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal question | 01:37 |
| infobot | "question" is "If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html" | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question is also >>In the world of hackers, the kind of answers you get to your technical questions depends as much on the way you ask the questions as on the difficulty of developing the answer. This guide will teach you how to ask questions in a way more likely to get you a satisfactory answer.<< | 01:38 |
| * infobot grabs is by arms and slams them into a chair and starts questioning is about also >>In the world of hackers, the kind of answers you get to your technical questions depends as much on the way you ask the questions as on the difficulty of developing the answer. This guide will teach you how to ask questions in a way more likely to get you a satisfactory answer.<<. | 01:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stupid bot | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, question is f you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - >In the world of hackers, the kind of answers you get to your technical questions depends as much on the way you ask the questions as on the difficulty of developing the answer. This guide will teach you how to ask questions in a way more likely to get you a | 01:40 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | satisfactory answer.<< | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 01:45 |
| infobot | rumour has it, question is if you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >>This guide will teach you how to ask questions in a way more likely to get you a satisfactory answer.<< | 01:45 |
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| sicelo | http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2016-August/313010.html <=== PA dropped for dragonflybsd | 19:53 |
| bencoh | \o/ | 19:55 |
| CatButts | miscelaneous question | 19:57 |
| CatButts | is PDP endianess(aka middle endian) still a thing today? | 19:57 |
| CatButts | 1234 -> 3412 | 19:58 |
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| bencoh | I seriously doubt any modern arch uses it as of today | 19:59 |
| CatButts | ah, ok | 19:59 |
| CatButts | I made this abomination | 19:59 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/swap.h | 19:59 |
| CatButts | and didn't bother with PDP | 19:59 |
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| bencoh | I wouldn't bother too much either | 20:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | promoted Qnotted a few days ago from testing to extras. it's not in extras is something stuck? | 20:55 |
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