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| vectis3_ | Hi all, I've just aquired a second n900 as a non-working phone. When I put the battery in, the nokia logo shows (no backlight) and it vibrates every 30 secs. Flasher doesn't see it. Any ideas? | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | try reascueos | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | *rescueos | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | if it boots then there is hope | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | maybe its usb is broken too? | 22:17 |
| vectis3_ | the nokia logo shows up the instant I put the battery in, I don't power it up. When I plug a usb cable in, it flashes briefly. | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | maybe someone was hacking bootprocess and failed | 22:23 |
| vectis3_ | ok, I'll take a look at rescueos. | 22:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I assume the battery is OK and fully charged? | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | arent hands thing that will show much later? | 22:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nokia and nokia hands are at different stage of booting | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | thats why its strange that hands show immediately | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 22:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if dim nokia logo and then quick yellow then flat battery or no booting? | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | its nokia logo, nvm | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | ~flatbat | 22:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbattrecover | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | ~flatbat-recover | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys flatbat | 22:36 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'flatbat' by key (2): flatbatrecover ;; flatbatrecover #DEL#. | 22:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover | 22:36 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) | 22:36 |
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| vectis3_ | hmm, no luck. I've tried several batteries, including the one from my working phone. | 22:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah | 22:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~bootloop | 22:38 |
| infobot | i heard bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 22:38 |
| vectis3_ | Should I get the nokia logo as soon as the battery is inserted? shouldn't I have to power it up to see that? | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | do you have spare charged battery? | 22:41 |
| vectis3_ | yes, the one from my working phone. | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | check it. it will confirm if its battery or boot process | 22:44 |
| vectis3_ | It powers-up my good, working phone. | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | then just charge the battery | 22:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh | 22:49 |
| vectis3_ | x2 | 22:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the "broken phone" will not boot with known good fully charged battery, correct? | 22:50 |
| vectis3_ | correct. | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | When you insert battery are you holding U key down? | 22:51 |
| vectis3_ | on the faulty phone, yes. | 22:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Have you used the flasher before on another N900 to prove it's not an issue with flasher? | 22:53 |
| vectis3_ | not on a n900, but with a n810. | 22:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Are you using the n900 flasher then? | 22:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 3.5 | 22:54 |
| vectis3_ | hmm, I thought there was only the Nokia flasher, and 0xFFFF. | 22:56 |
| vectis3_ | flasher-3.5 is the one I'm using, on Debian. | 22:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | and flasher wouldnt see the device with weak battery | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | N8x0 was flasher 3.0 IIRC | 22:58 |
| vectis3_ | I installed it from debian, and I run "flasher-3.5" as the command. It shows up as flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) though. | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I believe that's right | 23:00 |
| vectis3_ | Am I correct in thinking that nothing should start on the phone when I just insert the battery? | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | phone starts in actdead sometimes | 23:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | dont remember what are the prereqs | 23:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is the USB logo in the top corner when you try to flash? | 23:04 |
| vectis3_ | no. the nokia logo only, no backlight. Every 30 seconds the screen goes completely blank for a split second, and the phone does a single quick vibrate. | 23:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that sounds like ~bootloop to me | 23:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you should have the USB logo in the top corner for flashing | 23:09 |
| vectis3_ | no usb logo. | 23:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | So the flasher is loaded with "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" then you hold U while connecting | 23:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~flashing | 23:19 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 23:19 |
| vectis3_ | yes, thats correct. I have just tried it on my working phone to confirm that I am doing it correctly. | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | might be broken usb port | 23:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: possible | 23:24 |
| vectis3_ | is there any way to check, other than taking the phone apart? Port feels solid, phone looks in v/good condition. | 23:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Even visual inspection may not show broken usb | 23:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~usb-fix | 23:26 |
| infobot | hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt | 23:26 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I have an N900 that wrongly detects PC connection every now and again | 23:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Port is mounted solid but bad connection somewhere | 23:29 |
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| vectis3_ | Ok, thanks for your time and help. I bought it as non-working, so I've got what I paid for. | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | well, usb is fixable | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | as its almost always physical breakage | 23:31 |
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| KotCzarny | requires precise soldering skills tho | 23:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is it likely that someone has tried to flash before and given up and sold it on? | 23:34 |
| vectis3_ | I guess so, I bought it knowing that it had the described symptoms. | 23:37 |
| vectis3_ | I'll pull it apart soon for inspection. It's in a better condition than my working one, so ideal for spares. | 23:40 |
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