| KotCzarny | ~t-mo | 00:00 |
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| infobot | i heard t-mo is T-Mobile | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: sorry, correctly `find -ctime n` | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | negative 'n' means newer iirc | 00:01 |
| fishbulb | can't find it | 00:02 |
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| aLinux | hello ^^ | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi | 00:02 |
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| sicelo | fishbulb: you aren't searching seriously enough :p | 00:03 |
| sicelo | btw, in that directory i gave above, the files are actually there .. but they are hidden files ;) | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bwahahahaha | 00:03 |
| aLinux | u guys/girls are still using n900 ? | 00:04 |
| aLinux | :) | 00:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 disabled autofoo 2 days after unpacking his very first N900 | 00:04 | |
| KotCzarny | n900 for life! | 00:04 |
| aLinux | i got one today for 30$ and it looks brand new,and works perfect | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: fail! | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | doc, drop the price 10x and i will consider ;) | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aLinux: congrats and welcome here | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: I really wish I could | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 00:05 |
| aLinux | in 2010 i had n900 and i sold it about 4 months later... | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :´( | 00:06 |
| aLinux | now im back again here :D | 00:06 |
| aLinux | i noticed ovi store is dead.. | 00:06 |
| aLinux | i use to install bounce from there | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | so, ready to reflash/update? | 00:06 |
| aLinux | :( | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, not that it ever really was alive and kicking | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~repos | 00:06 |
| infobot | hmm... repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos | 00:06 |
| bencoh | aLinux: welcome back then :) | 00:06 |
| aLinux | thank you | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 00:06 |
| infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 00:06 |
| bencoh | there are ovi mirrors around as well | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aLinux: KotCzarnyhas a point there | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh too | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, werent there ovi mirrors on muarf? | 00:07 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: yup, but password-protected (using nokia auth) | 00:07 |
| aLinux | i dont remember... i forgot most of the tweaks i did.. | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the awesome ""password"" | 00:08 |
| bencoh | yeah the one that's available freely on wiki.m.o ;) | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | aLinux: talk.maemo.org is your friend | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | and w.m.o of course | 00:08 |
| aLinux | ^^ | 00:08 |
| aLinux | i just wanted to see who is online here ^^ | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | after you reflash: | 00:09 |
| bencoh | aLinux: still a few people as you can see :) | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or ask here. Actually always ask here before assuming and guessing. Mostly folks here are a nice and helpful bunch | 00:09 |
| infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | there is a chance previous owner already installed cssu | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irrelevant | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | but if you reflash, you will have to redo | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do a full reflash | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fushbulb | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fishbulb | 00:10 |
| infobot | hmm... fishbulb is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | two things to watch out: | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50 | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | usb and modem (dont push keys too hard) | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | and always plug/unplug usb carefully and without skewing | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep USB jack is a known flimsy thing and source of defects | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix | 00:11 |
| infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt | 00:11 |
| sicelo | fishbulb: i'm feeling 'generous' today .. there's your thread - https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55884 | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | aLinux: are you taking notes? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: you're just too nice :-D | 00:12 |
| aLinux | :D some ,yes | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((notes)) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | aLinux: you can just note bot commands | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | so you can ask bot again if you forget | 00:12 |
| aLinux | 10 min ago i flashed my n900 with pr 1.3 to remove the bload | 00:12 |
| aLinux | bloat.. | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-)) | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50 please | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also *might* find useful: | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 00:13 |
| infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though that's for power users mostly | 00:13 |
| aLinux | thank you | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks you for dropping by here | 00:14 |
| aLinux | should i install CSSU ? | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | definitely | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely yes | 00:14 |
| bencoh | yup! | 00:14 |
| aLinux | alright ! | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50 please | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | biggest plus of cssu is faster package manager | 00:15 |
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| KotCzarny | 30x faster than stock (as some claim ;) | 00:15 |
| aLinux | sweet | 00:15 |
| aLinux | i cant belive im holding a n900 again.. after 6 years !! | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't claim that, I tested it :-P | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feels good, eh? ;) | 00:16 |
| aLinux | it feel pretty damn good! | 00:16 |
| aLinux | solid.. | 00:16 |
| fishbulb | sicelo, thanks, but the last post is in 2011 | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first to ~lazyflashing, the ~jrrrepos | 00:17 |
| fishbulb | it was working a few months ago the last time I tried it | 00:17 |
| sicelo | fishbulb: so????????????????? | 00:17 |
| * sicelo gives up | 00:17 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:17 |
| fishbulb | well in 2011 it was DEFINITELY working | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: told ya youre too nice | 00:17 |
| fishbulb | the dictionary directory is empty | 00:17 |
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| fishbulb | DocScrutinizer05, aren't you about 60? you act like 14 or something | 00:18 |
| sicelo | fishbulb: it is NOT empty .. i mentioned it contains "hidden" files | 00:18 |
| fishbulb | I'm looking at it wth root though | 00:19 |
| bencoh | ls -la ? | 00:19 |
| fishbulb | I don't know how else to see hidden fles | 00:19 |
| fishbulb | files | 00:19 |
| sicelo | what bencoh shows you | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | i dont know if he trolls or lacks basic linux knowledge and ability to learn/do things exactly as told | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/41760466 | 00:19 |
| fishbulb | I lack terminal knowledge | 00:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks a little | 00:20 | |
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| Youbi | ~flasher | 00:20 |
| infobot | from memory, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | youbi: | 00:20 |
| fishbulb | can I just delete the dictionaries or o I have to remove flags | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 00:21 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing | 00:21 |
| infobot | somebody said lazyflashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 00:21 |
| aLinux | replaced nokia core repos,installed cssu.. now i got updates ^^ | 00:21 |
| Youbi | KotCzarny: thanks :) | 00:21 |
| sicelo | fishbulb: that's what you'll find out from the thread .. see the puzzle coming together now | 00:21 |
| Youbi | ~firmware | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: actually use lazy | 00:21 |
| infobot | firmware is probably please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's really easy | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | youbi: just use the script from the bot link, it downloads firmware itslef | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since *I* am lazy ;-P | 00:22 |
| sicelo | fishbulb: very first post explains everything, including how to produce a clean dictionary | 00:22 |
| Youbi | Ok doing it :) | 00:22 |
| aLinux | i got about 57mb of update and i get "unable to update libqtm-bearer conflicting application packages continue installing?" | 00:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 bounces up and down a little, like a rubber ball | 00:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooooooh this is soooo exciting. A new user willing to learn | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | two already | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 00:24 |
| aLinux | for some reason i cant update.. :/ it says i already have the files.. and it asks to continue then it fails :( | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: after you flashed, don't miss: | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos | 00:24 |
| infobot | hmm... jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ | 00:24 |
| aLinux | am i missing something ? | 00:25 |
| Youbi | I’m flashing again because I have the problem of the boot loop :( | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | ~bootloop | 00:25 |
| infobot | i guess bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 00:25 |
| Youbi | DocScrutinizer05: what are those repos for? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're not updating via apt-get, do you? | 00:25 |
| aLinux | im in application manager | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: they replace dead nokia repos | 00:25 |
| Youbi | Yeah the battery is charged at approximately 70% | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | youbi: remember, bootloop can be as stupid as putting some bad command in ~/.profile | 00:25 |
| Youbi | Yep but that’s note. | 00:25 |
| Youbi | not* | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aLinux: old HA; takes literally 15 min | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM even | 00:26 |
| aLinux | so i should ignore and wait ? | 00:26 |
| Youbi | I went to outdoor camping (don’t know the exact english word) and my N900 went out of battery and since then, I have the loop :/ | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | youbi, try charging in different battery or: | 00:27 |
| Youbi | And I ordered a new battery, the first time I recharged it and boot up, it worked. | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as HAM doesn't show a requester asking you to make a decision, you just wait a 15 min until it shows something | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | requester or list | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or menu | 00:27 |
| aLinux | im not sure i understand "HAM".. | 00:28 |
| bencoh | or ... just edit apt conf :> | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | [edit] ~flatbatrecover | 00:28 |
| Youbi | Hildon Application Manager | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ham | 00:28 |
| infobot | methinks ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | ~flatbatrecover | 00:28 |
| bencoh | or manually install cssu ham | 00:28 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) | 00:28 |
| bencoh | ;p | 00:28 |
| aLinux | ok thank you i understand | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham | 00:29 |
| infobot | SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so...: | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 00:30 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 00:30 |
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| Youbi | Last time I was here and talked about a faster application manager, someone told me that it was bad to use it beauce of some problem with package management which could broke the system. | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM *really* sucks | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman | 00:30 |
| infobot | fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam | 00:30 |
| aLinux | well... hildon is slow.. but i like it ^^ | 00:30 |
| Youbi | YEAH white light at boot | 00:31 |
| Youbi | 4 dots | 00:31 |
| Youbi | Oh my. Orange led… | 00:31 |
| bencoh | aLinux: then you will love "speedyham" | 00:31 |
| Youbi | Oo 5 dots again | 00:31 |
| bencoh | Youbi: no battery? | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: wait for at least 90s | 00:32 |
| Youbi | Yep I’w waiting and letting it boot :) | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if after 2 minutes it still seems to reboot, you got a bootloop | 00:32 |
| sicelo | in the meantime .. something isn't right with WiFi on my N900 .. if I leave the connection idling, it basically ends up 'dead' although the icon still shows connection. either i have to reconnect, and sometimes even need to unload the driver. no, i've never installed any auto(dis)connect utilities on the N900 | 00:32 |
| Youbi | bencoh: nope I think it’s the post-flashing system init which take a while. | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that takes even 5 min maybe | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: might be the router side too. see dmesg? | 00:33 |
| aLinux | i cant find "speedyham" on application manager.. and i installed cssu | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | aLinux: speedyham is just a nickname | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aLinux: (speedy)HAM is in applications "applications" | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | once you have cssu, you have it in place of ham | 00:33 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: isnt it in latest CSSU? | 00:33 |
| bencoh | ah :) | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | looks the same, works much better | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the system's normal application mamager | 00:34 |
| aLinux | i forgot to open cssu after install | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, a very common mistake | 00:34 |
| aLinux | i open it now.. and it shows me some packs to install | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-))) | 00:34 |
| Youbi | Lock code… Hands with the MARVELOUS nokia song. | 00:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is sooo happy aLinux didn't say "I clicked *all* until it was installed" | 00:35 | |
| * CatButts curious | 00:35 | |
| aLinux | downloading...38.3 MB :D | 00:35 |
| aLinux | :D | 00:35 |
| CatButts | N900, midi ringtones | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: won't fly | 00:35 |
| CatButts | what does the N900 come with by defaul.... | 00:36 |
| CatButts | dangit | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: you need to convert them to a decent format | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | mp3/aac | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: N900 comes with $anything-digital-samples you like | 00:36 |
| CatButts | I was hoping I'd have a field trip with whatever the N900 would have had in place for rendering midi by default | 00:37 |
| sicelo | ogg is suitable for rington iirc .. i think i ave an ogg | 00:37 |
| aLinux | will the n900 still sync google contacts ? id like to use it tomorow for one day instead of my note 4 ! | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | CatButts: you can render midi to wav/mp3 | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: in fact it conferts every ringtone you select to a .wav and stores that file somewhere | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aLinux: prolly not | 00:37 |
| Youbi | Rah, I thought my apps would be still there. I forgot that the rootfs flash would erase all -_- | 00:37 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/Sagem_my-v55/ take this fucker par example | 00:38 |
| Youbi | So, next step is CSSU? | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | youbi: for future: | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | ~bm | 00:38 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 00:38 |
| CatButts | I have this phone just because of nostalgia and its soundbank | 00:38 |
| sicelo | aLinux: not since google killed their activesync implementation | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | after you get your perfect setup, do a backup | 00:38 |
| CatButts | for midi | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, cssu | 00:38 |
| aLinux | sad! | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: next is repos | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos 'recommended' | 00:38 |
| Youbi | KotCzarny: oh, well, that’s not a big loss for the apps though. | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | doc, cant cssu installer take care of them? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos | 00:38 |
| infobot | [jrrepos] http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: it could, prolly even should. But they are "illegal" | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | doc: seriously, illegal is wrong word. untrusted is better | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it they were legal, we'd host them on maemo.org, you see? | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | but i would trust bencoh more than m# | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | m$ | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: here 'illegal' is exactly the right word | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we must not use them officially | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | that would explain why i had troubles with cssu installer | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | and had to fix repos manually | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'd get into troubles both the maemo crew and the one who host s the repos | 00:41 |
| sicelo | what are the two of you on about? :p ... ringtones? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: muarf | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linenoise | 00:42 |
| sicelo | what's illegal to have in the mirrors? | 00:42 |
| sicelo | ah .. i see now :) | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't arhue with us, ask Nokia/M$ | 00:42 |
| sicelo | illegal mirrors .. | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia explicitly forbid we mirror their base repos | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then they took them down | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suckers | 00:43 |
| CatButts | pew pew pew pew pew | 00:43 |
| sicelo | on tmo people still have hopes | 00:43 |
| Youbi | Hum, the jrrepos are very recent | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bwahaha | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: I got them tested, yep | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ DocScrutinizer | 00:44 |
| infobot | hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg_rw | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 00:44 |
| infobot | it has been said that joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org | 00:44 |
| CatButts | ~ CatButts | 00:45 |
| CatButts | rip | 00:45 |
| Youbi | Ok :) Because last time I flashed and updated my n900, I don’t think it existed. (I may be wrong though) | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, those mirrors are "new" | 00:45 |
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| Youbi | Ok, cool to see that things are moving on :) | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, for me N(eo)900 literally is my life right now, so... | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU had a stable release only a few weeks ago it seems | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't tell since I'm using cssu-testing | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 00:50 |
| infobot | well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo8_.2810.06.2016.29 | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> community-ssu-enabler >>> disables dead nokia repos to prevent installation errors<< \o/ | 00:51 |
| Youbi | Oh, Neo900 is a great project, even though I won’t buy a phone for $1000 :/ | 00:53 |
| CatButts | same | 00:53 |
| Youbi | Argh, my n900 won’t list my router’s wifi, even if I put it next to the antenna… | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | 5ghz? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 802.11a? | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | check if its not set to n-only | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | or was n900 already bgn? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, good question | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bg prolly | 00:55 |
| sicelo | not n | 00:55 |
| Youbi | No, my router is bgn, not a. But I bet this is because there are too much SSID aroud my flat. | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, unlikely | 00:55 |
| aLinux | all updates installed | 00:55 |
| aLinux | :D | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | still check if you didnt set it to 5ghz or n-only | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or install wifi-eye | 00:56 |
| aLinux | rooting now :D | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM install rootsh | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | oh noes, you are voiding your warrantY! | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-P | 00:57 |
| aLinux | yes !!! :D | 00:57 |
| Youbi | KotCzarny: I’m sure that I didn’t, one of my laptop is 2.4Ghz. | 00:57 |
| Youbi | (but maybe n-only, which would be strange) | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or install wifi-eye, and use it | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | youbi: wpa-eap then? | 00:57 |
| Youbi | Nope | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hidden SSID? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 00:58 |
| Youbi | Hum. That may be it. | 00:58 |
| sicelo | wpa-eap works fine on n900 (depending what you mean exactly thoug :p ) | 00:58 |
| Youbi | But. I don’t remember setting it to hidden x) | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: some configs had troubles with certs | 00:58 |
| aLinux | done,replaced repos,installed cssu,updated,root ,rebooted and it works great ^^ | 00:58 |
| Youbi | Rah, those hands are so dumb | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | you can disable them | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 00:58 |
| infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS | 00:59 |
| sicelo | bougs error .. certs aren't actually a problem n900 pops up a dialog to override that | 00:59 |
| Youbi | Yep I know, I wait for this moment x) | 00:59 |
| sicelo | *bogus | 00:59 |
| aLinux | sicelo open cssu and update | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#replace_shaking-hands_video | 00:59 |
| sicelo | aLinux: why? ;) | 00:59 |
| Youbi | Ok. Why. I put my SIM card in the phone, and after a reboot the first SSID is mine. | 01:00 |
| sicelo | i'm on cssu-thumb aLinux | 01:00 |
| aLinux | nvm ^^ | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: unusual | 01:00 |
| aLinux | were i can find bounce ? | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | might be bogus | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aLinux: bounce? | 01:01 |
| aLinux | yes | 01:01 |
| sicelo | the game | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an app? | 01:01 |
| aLinux | the game,that was in ovi store | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkgs | 01:01 |
| infobot | i heard #maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh ovi store | 01:01 |
| sicelo | isn't there .. look in the muarf/maemo-repos.com mirrors | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a tad tricky then | 01:01 |
| sicelo | there are also debs in the wild | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/bounce_1.0.1_armel.deb | 01:02 |
| aLinux | Package has been removed | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny to the rescue :-) | 01:02 |
| aLinux | thank you | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | download and dpkg -i | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some claim it also works by clicking on *.deb in browser | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never did for me | 01:03 |
| sicelo | it does :p | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it should install the pkg | 01:03 |
| aLinux | ohh man the link is so long... | 01:03 |
| sicelo | even file manager | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | alinux: open channel log on n900's browser | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | then click the link mayb | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | e | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: yes, *locally* it works | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | alinux: http://tiny.pl/g9snq | 01:04 |
| aLinux | sweet thank you | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny to the rescue :-) AGAIN! | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | but seriously, installed root, but not ssh? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha | 01:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 does a few silly things in his ssh session to IroN900 on PC | 01:06 | |
| KotCzarny | its one of the biggest points of n900 vs droid | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# uptime | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 00:06 60 Tage 18:15 an, 0 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 0,06, 0,04, 0,02 | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | ooh | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | its after midnight | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | sleepy time folks | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | breakfast time folks | 01:07 |
| sicelo | KotCzarny: UTC+2? | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | and if you ever find builtin media player too clicky, remember, there are oldskool alternatives | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: yeah | 01:07 |
| sicelo | same here :) | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Fr 19. Aug 00:08:01 CEST 2016 | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | nah, your time sone is utc+2+6months | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JRTZV here | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and always | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ugt | 01:08 |
| infobot | methinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 01:08 |
| Youbi | I guess once I installed the jrrepos, I have to update? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't hurt | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though those repos are unchanged since 2011 | 01:09 |
| Youbi | Hum. On the web page it said Apr. 2016 | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you disable maemo-extras-testing catalog though! | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you disable maemo-extras-DEVEL catalog though! | 01:10 |
| aLinux | what is the default sudo password ? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | none | 01:10 |
| aLinux | sudo passwd ? | 01:10 |
| aLinux | to change it ? | 01:11 |
| Youbi | Juste use the root pkg to get root | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | `sudo gainroot`, or rather `root` | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see ~jrtools | 01:11 |
| Youbi | Hum. The repos list takes a while to load. Is there a way to edit it in CLI? | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#.22root.22_your_device and "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot" in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#random_stuff_to_config_.2F_fix_.27things.27_.28c.26p_to_shell.29 | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: strongly deprecated | 01:13 |
| Youbi | Hum, ok. I’m looking for apt process. | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs | 01:14 |
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| aLinux | sweet.. i just played bounce :D its just like i remember it.. | 01:16 |
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| aLinux | so what do you guys do with n900 in 2016 ? | 01:17 |
| Youbi | DocScrutinizer05: should I run the commands that are in the README? | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: look into the script http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs, it has a help | 01:18 |
| fishbulb | aLinux, I try to keep it working | 01:18 |
| fishbulb | it's an 8 year old phone and most apps that are compatible with the rest of the world don't function anymore | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | terse howto: enable-catalogs save FOO; enable-catalogs FOO (to restore) | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aLinux: IRC, ssh, occasional browsing of "lightweight" webpages, *phone*... | 01:20 |
| Youbi | Hum. I get it, but now that I have the jrrepos, won’t it be a problem? | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Fahrplan (still works like a charm) | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: nope, you save current config to restore it later on | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I got "all" (with extres-devel et al) and "basic" which is plain for updates etc | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so to install ACME-of-extras-devel app I do `update-catalogs all`, rhen I install, then `update-catalogs basic` | 01:22 |
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| Youbi | Ok, so you won’t update the whole system with *-devel releases, right? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I created those two saved settings using HAM 'catalogs' to enable/disable stuff as needed, then `enable-catalogs save basic` | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 01:23 |
| Youbi | Ok, maybe I should install sshd first to access my phone and run commands easily | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/`update-catalogs / `enable-catalogs / | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes!! :-D | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is soooo awesome to talk to your phone with decent monitor and kbd | 01:25 |
| Youbi | yep ^^ | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whike phone is next room actually | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WiFi FTW | 01:25 |
| Youbi | Well. First I have to install sshd, and HAM is taking its time to load the pkg list… | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you don't have speedyHAM yet? | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka CSSU | 01:26 |
| Youbi | I guess not. I just clicked on the link to jrrepos | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, install CSSU | 01:26 |
| Youbi | Ok, I was wondering if I may have missed something --" | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RTFM! it's easy to miss the important second half of CSSU installation | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 01:27 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 01:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 recommends cssu-testing | 01:27 | |
| Youbi | Yep, I think that was I was using before my battery died. | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's up to you, particularly now thta we have a recent cssu-stable again | 01:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 *needs* breakfast now | 01:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BBL | 01:28 |
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| Youbi | Is backup menu the stock app for backups? | 01:32 |
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| Youbi | Oh no. Well. I have to install it so. | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 01:35 |
| infobot | backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I almost think the day my server goes south, maemo is dead X-P | 01:37 |
| Youbi | Yep, I think too :D | 01:37 |
| Youbi | Ok well, I remember that I canceled the install because… I’m dumb? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues http://maemo.cloud-7.de/ | 01:37 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'http://maemo.cloud-7.de/' by value (14 of 21): backupmenu ;; lazyflashing #DEL# ;; flashing-cmdline ;; #maemo mhd ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; jrrepos ;; maemo-flashing ;; flashing-cmdline #DEL# ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; bq27k-detail ;; no. #maemo lazyflashing #DEL# ;; #maemo wiki-backup ;; malf ;; unplug-usb. | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~unplug-usb | 01:38 |
| infobot | it has been said that unplug-usb is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4 | 01:38 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: naah, we still have TMO and wiki ;) | 01:39 |
| Youbi | “Set new root password” Oo | 01:39 |
| Youbi | Ok phone, I’ll do it. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | installing sshd | 01:40 |
| bencoh | new root password?! | 01:40 |
| bencoh | I dont remember mine asking me that, but ... | 01:40 |
| Youbi | Oh, ok. That’s great ^^ | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does | 01:40 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: is it the user password? | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, root | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as the requester gives away :-) | 01:41 |
| Youbi | I don’t know what is the exact error message in english, but the update of backup-menu was aborted | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 01:41 |
| infobot | somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 01:41 |
| Youbi | Yep I did it with BM.install | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a repo issue with BM | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should get handled in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a "details" tab when there's an install error in HAM | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's also moderately safe to root-run apt-get install backupmenu | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however when the command doesn't return, check for requesters on your phone's screen ;-) | 01:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is slightly puzzled | 01:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tested http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 01:45 |
| Youbi | I try to run it again, but it just open HAM. | 01:47 |
| bencoh | hm I never paid attention, but we dont use shadow on n900 | 01:47 |
| bencoh | wonder why | 01:47 |
| Youbi | Oh, minimized/maximized the HAM window and here we go | 01:48 |
| Youbi | Ok, still the error with backupmenu upgrade… | 01:48 |
| Youbi | Well, apt-worker is not running, I’m rebooting in case it might fix things… | 01:51 |
| Youbi | Ok O.O | 01:51 |
| Youbi | BOOT MENU on boot | 01:51 |
| bencoh | Youbi: is that a fresh install/reflash btw? | 01:53 |
| Youbi | Yep, I did it one hour ago | 01:54 |
| bencoh | then why bother with backup? | 01:54 |
| Youbi | Well… You’re right x) | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because Youbi is a good user who actually reads and listens to instructions :-) | 01:55 |
| bencoh | huhu | 01:56 |
| Youbi | But well, in this case I will be a bad user :Þ | 01:56 |
| bencoh | I've never been too good with "sticking to the instructions" | 01:56 |
| bencoh | :) | 01:56 |
| Youbi | But this is still strange, I don’t have root access, I have the setuid error | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: we checked the passwd/shadow etc situation a few years ago, was a PITA to get anything fixed since several libs and messybox are not compiled with the right options to support something sane. Then OTOH this isn't really a multiuser system anyway | 01:57 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: true, true | 01:57 |
| bencoh | it's just ... silly and shitty not to have shadow passwd on a "modern" unix :) | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | etc/shadow is just to avoid disclosing password hashes in etc/password to rogue *local* users | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway changing this deatail would break compatibilty to stock system | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather make sure your external access to device (particularly via WLAN ssh) is tighly secured | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no paswordless access! | 02:00 |
| Youbi | Is there a tool like ifconfig to know the network config of the phone? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I configured mine so it pnly accepts pubkey auth | 02:00 |
| Youbi | passwordless but DSA key compulsory? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's called ... ifconfig ;-) | 02:01 |
| Youbi | Oh, it’s not in my $PATH /o\ | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're not root? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or your root PATH is broken? | 02:01 |
| Youbi | Nope I’m not. | 02:02 |
| Youbi | No I am, via ssh only | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm logging in via ssh to root | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first and only command in ash (messybox) history: root | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first and only command in ash (messybox) history: bash | 02:03 |
| Youbi | :D | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bash sets proper PATH etc | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 02:03 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 02:03 |
| Youbi | Rah. “Operation failed” when HAM open after I’ve clicked on testing CSSU… | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 02:04 |
| Youbi | Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 02:04 |
| Youbi | Nokia-N900:~# | 02:04 |
| Youbi | Aha… | 02:04 |
| bencoh | Youbi: sources.list.d | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a bug you should report and have it get fixed | 02:04 |
| Youbi | Oh well. | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/apt/sources.list is *supposed* to be empty | 02:05 |
| Youbi | Oh, the hildon sources.list does contain the muarf repos. | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't mess with editing those source-lst files manually! | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM has its own ideas how stuff works there | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see enable-catalogs | 02:06 |
| Youbi | Yep, I didn’t edit the source.list files ^^ | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just a heads-up | 02:07 |
| Youbi | The HAM logs tell me something though | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here are a few very common mistakes users to when messing with maemo: apt-get upgrade, enabling extras-devel catalog, and editing sources.list | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo basically is debian, but *very* special packaging and tools | 02:08 |
| Youbi | https://dpaste.de/diUY/raw The HAM logs | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-worker: too weak to get lock from 1993. WUT?? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never seen this before | 02:10 |
| Youbi | Yep, that’s strange. | 02:10 |
| Youbi | Hum. I may charge my phone and flash it again | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | are you running cssu-stable? | 02:11 |
| Youbi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59387 | 02:11 |
| Youbi | Nope | 02:11 |
| Youbi | Ok, that was just caused by the strength of my wifi signal | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't check apt-worker, it should not need any user attention | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just because you said someting about "apt-worker not running" before | 02:15 |
| Youbi | So now HAM seems to be running the CSSU install, as opening the log display an error message telling me to wait for the running operation to finish. | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rtfm | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 02:16 |
| Youbi | Yep, I have to wait :3 | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | point 3. is pretty obsolete now with the dead nokia repos | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | last time I tried to edit the wiki to fix this, I ran into a "dis-full" error on the servers | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disk | 02:17 |
| Youbi | it's recommended you never disable the core Nokia SSU repositories. | 02:18 |
| Youbi | Aha | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>it's recommended you never disable the core Nokia SSU repositories.<< is incorrect, obsoleted by 1. | 02:18 |
| Youbi | A new wiki with fresh info would be great ^^ | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a 'new wiki' will have zilch info ;-) | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fixed | 02:21 |
| Youbi | zilch ? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zero | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | none | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | purpose of a wiki is to stay, not get replaced by a new one | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you update wikis | 02:25 |
| Youbi | Hum. Well, I get your point. | 02:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 tries to finally go AFK and BBL | 02:30 | |
| Youbi | So CSSU are community updates, and jrrepos are repository with cool stuff you maintain? | 02:30 |
| Youbi | Aha x) | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jrrepos is just a install file for oneclick I provided. The repos are muarf and linenoise - 'illegal' mirrors of Nokia | 02:31 |
| Youbi | Oh, ok. And then CSSU add repositories with community-made packages? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU are the LTE community project to continue what Nokia's SSU did | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fixing packages that are usually supposed to be found in Nokia/linenoise/muarf | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can't even patch/update the 'illegal' mirrors since they still use the original nokia checksums etc | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and CSSU got invented when Nokia repos still alive | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically CSSU does what Nokia did when Nokia was alive and supported maemo | 02:34 |
| Youbi | Ok, I think I get it all :) | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while extras are real community contributions | 02:34 |
| Youbi | I wish I could improve the SMS app this way | 02:34 |
| Youbi | But why did Nokia needed to make SSU, while they could have just updated the official Nokia repositories? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could, if there's a bug or highly desirable feature addon, and you can actually create a 100% identical replacement with that bugfix/improvement for the original SMS blob | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SSU is basically based on Nokia repos | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just maemo is one *huge* metapackage | 02:37 |
| Youbi | Hum, that’s not a surprise ^^ | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so for updates of a singe package they used SSU instead of rolling a new revision | 02:37 |
| Youbi | It makes sense, thank you for explaining it to me :) | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not 100% accurate what I tried to explain, but close enough | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw this is also the reason why a apt-get (dist-)upgrade is not really a bright idea | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU rolls new metapackages | 02:39 |
| fishbulb | I deleted the dictionary files and that didn't remove anything | 02:40 |
| fishbulb | do I delete the other files too | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Youbi: ^^^ | 02:41 |
| Youbi | Wow, all those packages just for maemo | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache search mp-fremantle | 02:42 |
| Youbi | W: GPG error: http://maemo.muarf.org ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ignore it | 02:43 |
| Youbi | I get this when trying to update tar-gnu and backupmenu | 02:43 |
| Youbi | apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: mediaplayer-l10n-ptpt 6.0+r7987+0m5 | 02:44 |
| Youbi | apt-worker: /var/lib/apt/lists/maemo.muarf.org_apt-mirror_mirror_downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_mr0_._Packages | 02:44 |
| Youbi | And this, a lot. | 02:44 |
| Youbi | But the tar-gnu and backup-menu update fails, I thought it may be related | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *may* set system date to 2011 to stop all that "KEYEXPIRED" shit | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's only warnings | 02:45 |
| Youbi | Ok, so it may not compromise the update | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "W:" | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain:<< is prolly just diagnostic | 02:46 |
| Youbi | Hum… So the logs won’t help me to find the problem with my updates | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when there are problems, the logs should help | 02:47 |
| Youbi | Ihttps://dpaste.de/LuRb/raw Oh, there it is | 02:49 |
| Youbi | https://dpaste.de/LuRb/raw * | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/74374094 | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that looks like a problem in postinst, or rather a file missing | 02:51 |
| Youbi | But I can’t uninstall those packages, there are deps x) | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the /usr/share/doc/tar-gnu file prolly got nuked by docpurge already, no idea why optify wants to mv it | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >/usr/share/doc/tar-gnu | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | done | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks like a weird bug in tar-gnu | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >/usr/share/doc/tar-gnu && apt-get install tar-gnu | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS it's needed by BM | 02:55 |
| Youbi | So apt-get install may be safe in some usecases? | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:55 |
| Youbi | Ok :) | 02:55 |
| Youbi | Yep I think that’s why it was installed | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's mostly safe, but sometimes not, and it's not really simple to tell when it's not | 02:55 |
| Youbi | Ok, so running apt-get install tar-gnu did fix backup menu too | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually tar should _not_ get optified at all, since needed by BM | 02:56 |
| Youbi | Oh :/ | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know, maemo has this incredible unbearable brainfuck called optification | 02:57 |
| Youbi | Should I install BM again, or not? | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 02:57 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 02:57 |
| Youbi | Aha, yeah, /usr to eMMC would be great. | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try apt-get install backupmenu | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't hurt | 02:58 |
| Youbi | No need to do that, now it’s up to date. | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to disable catalogs! I guess some 'nasty' ones are installed and enabled now | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enable-catalogs would come in handy ;-) | 02:59 |
| Youbi | Yep, the devel catalogs | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and tools maybe | 03:00 |
| Youbi | Yep | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and duplicates of muarf *and* linenoise? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are mutually exclusive | 03:01 |
| Youbi | Hum. No | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 03:01 |
| Youbi | Nokia Applications and Nokia SSU, that’s all | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the mirrors thereof I hope | 03:02 |
| Youbi | Yep, the mirrors | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 03:02 |
| Youbi | But I will first save this config as “all”, and then disable dev tools and extra-devel | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you got a completely installed CSSU now? | 03:03 |
| Youbi | Yes I think so :) | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | excellent idea :-D | 03:03 |
| Youbi | And then, I will disable nokia hands, and install battery app. | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery app? | 03:03 |
| Youbi | And maybe bash. Although I prefer zsh but well, still better than ash. | 03:03 |
| Youbi | Yep, to test the battery | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please ask here first | 03:04 |
| Youbi | For battery tests? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a lot of crap and snakeoil out there about that stuff | 03:04 |
| Youbi | Oh, ok ^^ | 03:05 |
| Youbi | I just want to run benchmarks, but I’m not in a hurry for this | 03:05 |
| Youbi | ~update-catalogs | 03:05 |
| Youbi | Hum | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail | 03:05 |
| infobot | i heard bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2, or ~bq27 | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27 | 03:05 |
| infobot | bq27 is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27*, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ | 03:05 |
| Youbi | Oh, ok. This will install all the tools in patches_n_tool? | 03:06 |
| Youbi | I guess it’s safe :)? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are safe and tested to work as good as it gets, as long as you don't go for BME replacement etc | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batteryfaq | 03:06 |
| infobot | methinks batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 03:06 |
| Youbi | No just BME replacement | 03:07 |
| Youbi | And how can I install update-catalogs? | 03:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | BME replacement is... well, meant to liberate maemo from blobs, but it's not exactly 100% compatible | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enable-catalogs that is | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | typo | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just copy the script | 03:08 |
| Youbi | Ok | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wget for example | 03:08 |
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| Youbi | Yep, or scp | 03:09 |
| Youbi | and* | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | place it wherever you like (I suggest /usr/local/sbin) then chmod +x | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, might need bash. Though this one shouldn't | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bq27* do | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BBL | 03:11 |
| Youbi | Ok, see you o/ | 03:11 |
| Youbi | I think I will go to sleep :) | 03:11 |
| Youbi | Thx again | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yw, and please don't stop asking here instead of assuming | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I just noticed on my server, during recent migration and switching to lighttpd, the application/x-install-instructions mimetype for *.install vanished, so the one-click installs are prolly not working anymore like supposed to | 05:11 |
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