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luke-jrhow to tell fake N900 from real N900 on ebay? :x04:25
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ds3by unit, examine :D04:42
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fishbulbhey is the fmms guy here?06:55
fishbulbI'm receiving MMS but every time I send one it shows the blue arrow, but the other person doesn't get the picture06:56
fishbulbI don't know if the blue arrow means it's sent or sending... is there something I can check?06:57
fishbulbalso how do I email stuff, I can't log into gmail.06:57
fishbulbnot with the ancient browser06:57
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OksanaModest, the default email client07:12
OksanaOpen-source, too, as far as I remember07:12
Oksanafishbulb: ^ Modest works nicely with GMail07:13
fishbulbI wonder if it's already on my phone07:15
fishbulbman I'm on the last keyboard and screen07:15
fishbulbafter this I'll have to buy some fucking android07:21
OksanaWhat about #neo900 or #dragonbox-pyra or pocket chip #chipsters ?07:24
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luke-jrfishbulb: I'm going with the Pyra next :p07:49
fishbulbthose are all too expensive07:51
fishbulbseriously I have this phone because I'm fucking broke07:51
luke-jrpretty sure there's cheaper androids07:53
luke-jror even feature phones07:53
luke-jralso, pocket chip is $6007:54
Siceloi hope you going to send me08:05
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Siceloechan, sorry08:05
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bencohfishbulb: modest is installed by default08:31
fishbulbwhat's pocket chip08:35
fishbulbwhere's modest?08:35
bencoh"E-mail" ? ...08:37
fishbulbI tried starting it in the command line and it failed08:37
OksanaLooks like
OksanaType modest or modest.launch in commandline08:38
fishbulbmodest came up with a bunch of errors08:38
bencohI suppose you're still not using cssu?08:39
fishbulbthis is normally a bug in some application using the D-B-S library08:39
fishbulbI'm using cssu08:39
fishbulbam I supposed to not be using that or something08:40
fishbulbman this install is years old08:40
OksanaTry modest.launch then. Not as root, as far as I know08:40
fishbulbsegmentation fault08:41
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fishbulbwhat the hell.08:41
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bencohyou're not supposed to run .launch files08:42
bencohI mean, it should work out of the box08:42
fishbulbhere it is08:43
fishbulbI've never used it08:43
bencohand .launcher files are libraries08:43
fishbulbconnecting to nokia servers to check service availability....08:43
fishbulbI have SERIOUSLY never used it08:43
OksanaModest is nice, even though I have never figured out how to search letters. Tracker tracks emails, afaik, but haven't ever seen any search-emails interface08:44
fishbulbmy account has 2 step auth, can I use it through this?08:44
OksanaHopefully, but doubtfully08:44
OksanaModest can use SSL, but other than that...08:45
fishbulbthere's nowhere to put the code08:45
bencohdo thunderbird and the likes support 2step auth?08:46
bencohnot that it really makes sense for a client that's supposed to be always on ....08:46
fishbulbit's failing every time I use an email address that has no 2 step08:48
fishbulbuser name or password incorrect. what's the username supposed to be?08:49
fishbulbfuck all this08:52
OksanaName: "Name you want to appear on emails" Username: "Your email username" Password: "Your email password" E-mail address: "Your email" Account Type: IMAP4 Incoming server: Secure Authentication: "leave unchecked" Secure Connection: SSL (IMAP4S) Outgoing server: Secure authentication: Login Secure Connection: SSL08:52
* Oksana does have Gmail in Modest, worked for ages, and still works08:52
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OksanaLol, should work with 2step Auth
OksanaComplicated: How does Mozilla Thunderbird not support the latest security standards?08:56
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OksanaAny way to add into a guide "How to make Modest work with Google's 2-Step Verification"?08:58
KotCzarnyluke-jr: screenshot, we will help09:08
KotCzarnyusually port locations are different, logo is moved/wrong font, desktop screenshot is weird/ugly09:09
KotCzarnyseems ok09:10
KotCzarnyi mean, no one is going to use fake so long that keys are worn out ;)09:10
KotCzarnybut pricy09:11
KotCzarnyespecially its without battery09:11
KotCzarnyand no box/accessories09:11
KotCzarnyto make sure ask seller fot the photo of the back without the backplate09:12
KotCzarnys/fot /for /09:12
luke-jrhmm, so I should expect a replacement unit even cheaper? :o09:18
KotCzarnywell, in .pl you can get working n900 for ~25-30usd09:32
KotCzarnyand broken usb one for 10-1509:32
KotCzarnyyours has good screen, but worn keys and no battery/acc09:34
KotCzarnyso its up to you if its worth the price09:34
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: is there a way to force bq27200 to reset? removing battery for a while doesn't seem to help15:35
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KotCzarnysicelo, insert different battery?15:37
Sicelodoesn't do either15:38
Siceloi don't want to blindy blame replacement-bme (i don't see how that would cause it anyway)15:39
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ceeneSicelo: i think you need to do a calibration cycle17:33
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: there are commands you can send to bq27200, but I dunno if reset is onre pf them. anyway a learningcycle won't help19:29
DocScrutinizer05one of them*19:29
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: there POR (see page 13)19:34
DocScrutinizer05and POR is "no effect" when written :-/19:35
DocScrutinizer05maybe this one >> PRST Partial reset. This command requestsin FLAGS. This command is intendeda reset of all RAM registers exceptfor manufacturing use. NAC, LMD, and the CI bit<<19:36
DocScrutinizer05damn, pdf c&p19:37
DocScrutinizer05Partial reset. This command requests a reset of all RAM registers except NAC, LMD, and the CI bit in FLAGS. This command is intended for manufacturing use.19:39
DocScrutinizer05set bit3 on MODE register (0x01), then write 0xA9 to CMD register 0x0019:41
DocScrutinizer05or FRST Bit1  >> Full reset. This command bit requests a full reset. A full reset reinitializes all RAM registers, including the NAC, LMD, and FLAGS registers. This command is intended for manufacturing use. <<19:45
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DocScrutinizer05also interesting: WRTNAC  >> WRTNAC is used to transfer data from the AR registers to NAC. Other registers are updated as appropriate. This command is useful during the pack manufacture and test to initialize the gauge to match the estimated battery capacity.<<19:48
DocScrutinizer05possibly faster than multiple learning cycles19:49
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DocScrutinizer05damn! linkedin makes konqueror eat all the available swap and RAM, which *still* brings a contemporary linux system to a grinding halt - even with 60GB of swap which I happened to have activated because of... no good reason20:38
DocScrutinizer05I urgently need sane ulimits20:38
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ds3you need to run konqueror in a container20:52
ds3then limit its swap there20:52
DocScrutinizer05why not ulimits?20:56
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DocScrutinizer05(bash) help ulimit20:57
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ds3ulimit results in the process getting killed21:12
ds3container can force that process to swap21:12
DocScrutinizer05err what?21:16
DocScrutinizer05killing the process is exactly what I want, to avoid it starting swap hell21:16
DocScrutinizer05when konqueror allocates 20GB memory while my system only has 8GB RAM, even the mouse pointer freezes thanks to kswapd activity21:18
DocScrutinizer05basically everything else gets swapped out of RAM, to a highly busy swap partition, so even when it might eventually get swapped in again, it takes ages21:18
ds3a container will avoid that21:19
ds3it will limit the amount of swap and thrashing on other processes21:19
DocScrutinizer05ulimit too aiui21:19
ds3ulimit is a blunt instruement; a container can limit damage to just konqueror itself21:20
DocScrutinizer05I don't see the rationale to run my generic html/filemanager in a container21:20
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DocScrutinizer05errrr, how would ulimit damage anything else when a) only konqueror is violating the limits, and b) the ulimit setting is konqueror specific anyway ( bash -c "ulimit -4 2000000; konqueror" )21:22
DocScrutinizer05-v even21:23
DocScrutinizer05and -m as well21:23
ds3it wouldn't but if you ever had a critical page opened on konqueror....21:31
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DocScrutinizer05when that critical page hogs my RAM, then it's truly critical21:52
keriothe only critical pages i have are pages of ram used by zfs21:52
* kerio shakes his fist at the ARC21:52
KotCzarnywhat about network stack pages?21:52
kerioi should buy more ram21:53
kerioto appease zfs21:53
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DocScrutinizer05saturn:~ # ps aux|grep konqueror|wc -l21:53
KotCzarnyor switch to raw disk access and just remember where are your files21:54
DocScrutinizer05if one of those instances goes mad, I what that instance getting killed, rather thanmy whole system getting killed21:54
DocScrutinizer05btw I don't see how the end result in user experience and system impact would be any different by using containers, other than a container separating my filemanager from my files21:55
DocScrutinizer05containers might be fine for firefox21:56
DocScrutinizer05and actually I already pondered some similar approach for FF21:56
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zamn900what's up folks with yappari?22:59
KotCzarnyceene bought android22:59
zamn900then bb maemo and bb n90023:00
zamn900sad story anyway23:01
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DocScrutinizer05hey! how about applying same trick to kill all android platforms? ;-P create an app and share for free, then tweak it in a way so it only will work on maemo23:49
DocScrutinizer05android and particularly whatapp is the sad story23:50
* DocScrutinizer05 ponders to actually get a whatsapp account, just to send a logic bomb to all those individuals whatsapp will suggest as "friends"23:52
DocScrutinizer05evidently it been those who not only used whatsapp but also shared my personal data to those suckers against my explicit intentions to keep the stuff undisclosed to anybody else23:54
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* DocScrutinizer05 has further ideas: deploy an anti-recaptcha and a fake option to "log in using your gmail account" that instantly puts you on the blacklist of the service23:57
DocScrutinizer05when you can't convince the sheep, segregate and fight them23:58

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