IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2016-05-20

freemangordonchar: do you still have SDK repo enabled?00:02
charI didn't enable it00:03
freemangordonwell, enable it00:03
charI'm still looking for it00:03
freemangordonchar: see
DocScrutinizer05apt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr|sed "s/,/\n/g"|less +"/gcc-4.2";  FFS00:03
freemangordonthe version you need is there00:03
Siceloi'm just wondering now how other users upgrade :-/00:04
Siceloisn't this gcc-base supposed to be in one of the standard repos too?00:04
freemangordonSicelo: seems somehow he managed to downgrade00:04
infobotjrrepos is, like,
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders which funny prankster introduced a dependency to gcc-4.2-base into mp-fremantle-generic-pr00:06
freemangordonchar: or just grab the .deb from there and install it00:06
charit's what I'm doing00:06
Sicelois gcc-base 'bad'? /me doesn't know ... asking genuine question :)00:07
Siceloi've got it too, but i've never tried to compile on device00:08
DocScrutinizer05I tried to show the files it provides00:08
DocScrutinizer05no idea why it's needed on stock maemo00:08
DocScrutinizer05would be interesting what actually needs it00:09
DocScrutinizer05what what in that pkg is needed00:09
DocScrutinizer05and what*00:09
Sicelohas no files :P00:09
Sicelothis is crazy00:09
DocScrutinizer05Description: The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)00:09
DocScrutinizer05 This package contains files common to all languages and libraries00:09
DocScrutinizer05 contained in the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC).00:09
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DocScrutinizer05Size: 10165400:10
Sicelobut on N900 this is also purged out00:10
freemangordonman pages?00:10
Sicelothere's no actual file from the package available on device :p00:10
DocScrutinizer05so what does it provide? manpages?00:10
Siceloyes .. docs00:10
Sicelodpkg -L gcc-4.2-base00:10
Siceloand of course maemo purges these00:11
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DocScrutinizer05and that crap is Size: 101654 ?00:12
Sicelomakes sense ..00:12
DocScrutinizer05not really00:13
DocScrutinizer05way too many bytes00:13
charI still can't enable CSSU enabler due to HAM complaining about the missing gcc-4.2-base which I have installed00:13
infoboti heard jrrepos is
freemangordonchar: did you remove gcc?00:14
DocScrutinizer05one-click install of sane working base repos00:14
charfreemangordon: I'm confused now, don't I need it as it is a dependency? I can't uninstall it00:15
DocScrutinizer05no, you need gcc-4.2-base00:15
Sicelochar: gcc & gcc-base are different things00:15
charand should get rid of "gcc"?00:16
charlet me try00:16
DocScrutinizer05use purge00:16
DocScrutinizer05just in case00:16
charpurge gives unmet dependencies error00:17
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charI'm trying to install stuff on the vm you linked and it works there00:18
DocScrutinizer05at least this little exercise gives you an idea why building on device isn't recommended ;-)00:18
charremoving gcc, again unmet dependencies00:18
freemangordonchar: pastebin of apt-get purge error00:18
charDocScrutinizer05: I didn't mean anything like this for sure...00:18
Siceloi think he didn't go that way. seems to me there's just other problems on his N900 ..00:20
charSicelo I may indeed have problems00:21
DocScrutinizer05hmm, so maybe a combined reflash is prescribed00:21
charapt-get purge ->
Sicelo009Nnot yet. will be soon though00:22
Sicelo009Nah, sorry, whrong chan00:22
infobotwell, flashing-cmdline is
infoboti heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
freemangordonchar: try with apt-get -f install. But make sure to carefully read the output before entering yes :)00:23
DocScrutinizer05ignore the second, it's not needed when you use my cmdline00:23
charDocScrutinizer05: only ~flashing-cmdline will do?00:24
charfreemangordon: what does that do?00:24
freemangordonchar: on which Nokia PR is your device?00:24
freemangordonchar: you can check in settings->about00:24
Sicelo009Ni'm sure it will00:24
Sicelo009Ndamn.. sorry about these ECHAN messages :-/00:25
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: chances are char's device is on PR1.1 or PR1.2 :)00:25
charMaemo 5 Version:21.2011.38-100:26
DocScrutinizer05looks good00:27
freemangordonbur: "mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libgcc1 (= 1:4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5) but 1:4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5 is installed"00:27
DocScrutinizer05get decent base repos!!00:27
freemangordonchar: you should install latest libgcc as well00:27
freemangordonlibgcc1 that is00:27
charwhat for?00:28
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: won;t help, as dependencies are alreadyy messed up00:28
DocScrutinizer05nah! go to on device00:28
DocScrutinizer05click recommended00:28
freemangordonchar: "mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libgcc1 (= 1:4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5) but 1:4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5 is installed"00:28
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: apt-get -f might work00:28
DocScrutinizer05when repos are fixed00:28
charDocScrutinizer05: I'll go to your URL, then will get back to you00:29
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charhold on a sec00:29
freemangordonanyway, /me is going afk00:29
DocScrutinizer05I might have a beer by then00:29
DocScrutinizer05n8 freemangordon00:29
charthanks for your help freemangordon00:29
DocScrutinizer05char: seems you installed gcc and that pulled in incompatible libs00:30
Sicelo \o freemangordon00:31
DocScrutinizer05prolly a apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr might fix things, after you got "my" repos installed00:31
DocScrutinizer05a apt-get -f also is sth you should try00:33
charDocScrutinizer05: I'm adding the repositories00:34
DocScrutinizer05if that doesn't help, *I* would do a combined-only reflash, since I git a decent bm-backup ;-)00:34
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is, or one-click install handling dependency issues:
charI don't have a backup00:34
DocScrutinizer05you might wait until tomorrow when freemangordon and pali are available again, before you go for full combined reflash00:35
charno cmdline?00:35
DocScrutinizer05no, wait until freemangordon is back00:36
char<DocScrutinizer05> ignore the second, it's not needed when you use my cmdline00:36
DocScrutinizer05flashing combined is supposed to be considerably safe and not lose your data and config, but...00:36
DocScrutinizer05you never know00:37
DocScrutinizer05you could install BM and do a decent backup, then you can reflash all you like, since restoring is a matter of minutes00:37
DocScrutinizer05but first, see if apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr  does the trick00:38
DocScrutinizer05should work after you enabled the working repos00:38
DocScrutinizer05I'm afk, for a beer out00:39
charI'll have to wait for repos updates00:40
DocScrutinizer05in case of "emergencies" highlight DocScrutinizer5100:40
charsure ;) thanks00:40
charapt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr -> unmet dependencies00:47
Sicelo-f ?00:47
charI've just launched HAM lol.. will wait for it open to close it and try -f00:48
charrebootin ...00:50
Sicelo009Nyes. sad00:52
charusing any other phone today would be sadder00:54
charalmost up00:54
char-f won't fix the unmet dependencies problem00:56
charapt-get -f install?00:57
Sicelo009Nyou're in dependency hell .. sorry :)00:57
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charshould I install libgcc1?01:04
DocScrutinizer05maybe the right version, yes01:05
charapt-get install libgcc1 as per usual -> unmet dependencies01:05
* Sicelo checks char's paste agan01:06
charwell, if I can still find all the programs I currently use and restore phonebook and SMSes I think flashing it could be a solution01:07
charI would enable CSSU right away, update everything and see01:07
charI have never used CSSU in my life01:07
charand it's 2016 lol01:07
charmaybe Pidgin would get updated as well, who knows01:08
charI'm pretty sure the OTR plugin would be a nightmare to install as it was last year but I had found a guide01:08
Sicelolastest version for N900 is 2.10.11-0maemo101:08
charDocScrutinizer05: I give up01:10
DocScrutinizer05install backupmenu!01:10
DocScrutinizer05make a backup01:10
charwhat can I do with it? I only have a few hundred megabytes free for backing up on my phone01:10
DocScrutinizer05hmm, that's a little low01:11
charI mean, I have 20GBs of Wikipedia dumps01:11
Sicelochar: n900 stock backup will allow you to save just your phonebook in case you want to reflash01:11
DocScrutinizer05don't you have a uSD card for the backups?01:11
charapparently my n900 doesn't read SD cards01:12
DocScrutinizer05magnet missing?01:12
charmagnet is there..01:12
Sicelomy 2nd N900 also doesn't  :(01:12
charI have no idea why that is01:13
charregardless the filesystem I format them with, none of them is recognized01:13
Sicelodoes dmesg at least 'see' it01:14
DocScrutinizer05cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch01:14
charif you're curious to know I will disassemble it and put an SD card. Please, endure my English if I use weird words01:15
DocScrutinizer05cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch01:15
Sicelo009NDocScrutinizer05: on mine always 'open'01:16
DocScrutinizer05either your magnet or the hall sensor is broken/missing then01:17
Sicelo009Nmagnet is in place, and the cover works fine on my other N900 ..01:17
Sicelo009Nyes, sensor must be borked01:17
charalways open01:17
charbut the magnet is there01:17
DocScrutinizer05see ^^01:17
Sicelo009Ni came to terms with it :)01:18
DocScrutinizer05try another magnet while    watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch01:18
charanother magnet?01:18
charyeah I do have a fridge01:18
DocScrutinizer05yes, an arbitrary other magnet01:18
Sicelo009Ni bought this N900 for like 15USD .. so didn't complain too much01:18
DocScrutinizer05remove battery cover, move the magnet around the camera01:18
charalways open01:20
DocScrutinizer05I wonder what kills all those hall sensors01:20
Sicelo009Nchar: you bought your N900 used? any signs it was ever opened?01:21
DocScrutinizer05anyway o/01:21
Sicelo009NDocScrutinizer05: mine had been worked on by bad technician in its previous life .. probably bumped the sensour out or something01:21
charSicelo009N: yes it was used and from what I can see it wasn't opened around the chassis01:21
chardead sensor -> no SD support01:22
charnice :(01:22
charI like the auto mount/unmount idea. Can we get rid of it? :P01:22
Sicelo009Nyes .. hack the kernel module .. someone did it here .. forgot who01:23
Sicelo009Ncheck tmo01:23
DocScrutinizer05char: you're a candidate for a full clean restart and a customized careful system config01:25
DocScrutinizer05get some free space on your eMMC (aka MyDocs) install BM, do a backup, then do a full backkup of MyDocs to your PC via USB01:26
chargoodnight Sicelo!01:28
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charDocScrutinizer05: MyDocs is almost completely full01:32
charhow much space do you think I need?01:32
char1GB ?01:32
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DocScrutinizer05char: to start with, you could try to mv /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko_ORIGINAL, then download and rename/mv it to /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko01:34
DocScrutinizer051GB is plenty01:34
charis this for the SD card?01:34
chardo you think I should backup the system first?01:34
DocScrutinizer05(/lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko) then reboot with a uSD inserted and see if cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch shows 'closed' and you can access the uSD01:35
DocScrutinizer05when you're careful, you *probably* are safe with the omap_hsmmc.ko, you however could face a bootloop where kernel segfaults because of the module. Then you damn sure want a backup01:36
DocScrutinizer05you *could* try modprobe -r omap_hsmmc; then replace the file, then modprobe omap_hsmmc and see if it throws errors01:37
DocScrutinizer05if it looks good, you already can check cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch01:38
DocScrutinizer05if modprobe omap_hsmmc  throws any errors, you better restore the original file back into place01:39
DocScrutinizer05also see man modprobe, you might try modprobe -f omap_hsmmc to override symbol incompatibilities01:41
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DocScrutinizer05download the file to ~user, name it omap_hsmmc.ko, then for loading the module use:  modprobe -vnfd ~user omap_hsmmc01:45
charokay, so backupmenu first01:45
DocScrutinizer05if that looks good, actually do it:   modprobe -fd ~user omap_hsmmc01:45
DocScrutinizer05this is safe since you don't mess with the original module, so even when your kernel OOPSes, everything will be fine abfter the inevitable reboot01:46
charof course I can't install backupmenu either01:46
DocScrutinizer05that's why I suggested the above approach01:47
DocScrutinizer05you won't need a backup hopefully01:47
DocScrutinizer05it *should* be perfectly safe01:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm not giving any warranty though01:47
chareven if the risk is slow I will avoid this, I'm too noob to risk this01:48
charI think I'd rather backup documents and MyDocs content, then reflash and reinstall with caution01:48
DocScrutinizer05you're not changing anything in your system since you load the module from a place where the system never will look at by itself01:48
DocScrutinizer05so next boot will be exactly like last boot, no matter what you did with modprobe01:49
DocScrutinizer05but first see if you even can unload the module with modprobe -r omap_hsmmc01:49
DocScrutinizer05if that's not working, you don't even need to start with the next steps01:50
DocScrutinizer05modprobe -r omap_hsmmc is definitely safe01:50
DocScrutinizer05I owe you 3 beers if not ;-)01:51
DocScrutinizer05did you already try?01:51
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DocScrutinizer05char: ^^^01:52
charsorry, I was trying to locate the stuff to backup from MyDocs01:53
DocScrutinizer05I suggest you bulk copy complete Mydocs to your PC01:53
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charthat's okay01:54
DocScrutinizer05if you got a free 28GB there01:54
DocScrutinizer05modprobe -r is ok?01:54
DocScrutinizer05or was that to something else?01:54
charbulk copying is ok ;)01:55
DocScrutinizer05I just rebooted my device with modprobe -r ;-D01:56
charI will just copy everything in MyDocs to my computer01:56
DocScrutinizer05if you don't mind a reboot, you still can try if it works for you, since you're supposed to have no mounted uSD01:56
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charDocScrutinizer05: it's rather hard for me to keep up with what you're explaining, let me backup everything first. I'm going to need it whether I reflash it and swap the module or tweak the existing installation01:58
DocScrutinizer05if  modprobe -r omap_hsmmc works and a lsmod doesn't show omap_hsmmc any more, download the file and try the    modprobe -vnfd ~user omap_hsmmc   which is still dryrun and shouldn't cause _anything_ except diagnotic output01:58
kerioooh is that a replacement omap_hsmmc that pretend that the cover is always on01:58
kerioi probably want that01:59
keriosince my swap is on usd01:59
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DocScrutinizer05and I'm out for a beer now, kerio could you help char a bit through that enterprise?02:00
keriodude wtf it's 1am02:00
kerioi'm about to go to sleep02:00
keriowhy are you going out for a beer02:00
DocScrutinizer05because it tastes better when I nag the bartender ;-)02:01
kerioon a thursday, even02:01
kerioi mean, technically it's friday now02:01
keriobut that's not what normal people mean when they say they're going out friday night02:01
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DocScrutinizer05plus I just saved 3 beer I'd otherwise owned char when I hadn't tested modprobe -r omap_hsmmc ;-) I will consume those now :-)02:08
charman, it's taking ages and I'm about to fall asleep in front of the screen02:10
charI'm saving everything we wrote02:10
charwill resume soon :\02:10
charthanks everybody for all the great support02:11
chargoodnight *_*02:11
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DocScrutinizer51n8 even02:20
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DocScrutinizer05to whom it may concern: CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_BOOTCHARTD=y  <buZz> just init=/sbin/bootchartd  , it starts /sbin/init itself   <buZz> init=/sbin/bootchartd bootchart_init=/etc/preinit18:54
buZzDocScrutinizer05: i remembered the existance of that tool from my old days of running gentoo and optimizing each and every millisecond of boottime away :D18:55
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DocScrutinizer05many thanks!18:55
buZzwelcome ;)18:56
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L29Ahcute stuff19:36
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Vajb_hmm it seems that our local weather service makes my device to reboot21:28
Vajb_probably bgecause of unresponsiveness after it eats all my memory or something like that21:29
Vajb_note to self "look at the weather, not forecast"21:30
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Venemo_N900re-soldered my usb23:23
KotCzarnywas it hard?23:23
SiceloVenemo_N900: yay! that's nice :)23:23
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Venemo_N900not as hard as expected23:24
Venemo_N900just needed a thin soldering tip23:25
Venemo_N900could not use the original connector as it had a broken pin23:25
Venemo_N900bent a THD microusb port to my will23:25
Venemo_N900cool stuff23:26
Venemo_N900I'll never know why I let the N900 go23:26
Venemo_N900it is nicer than I remebered23:27
Venemo_N900however... do we have a better browser than the default?23:27
Sicelosadly, not really23:32
Venemo_N900web standards have evolved since 200923:32
SiceloOpera 12, Fennec 17 (thumb only?), QMLBrowser (doesn't work so well for me)23:32
ceenei keep telling people about midori on top of easy debian23:32
Siceloyes, midori works good :)23:33
ceeneqmlbrowser will be usable after my ssl patch for qt makes it to the repos23:33
ceenecongrats, by the way!23:33
Venemo_N900we'll see how long it will last23:38
Venemo_N900guess I could've just drilled some holes in the pcb and mounted a through hole microusb23:39
Venemo_N900wasn't sure if there are traces below, though23:39
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Siceloshould last forever :) ... hope you strengthened the port on the sides23:44
Venemo_N900even scratched off some solder mask to add more solder23:45
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Venemo_N900there is one thing I'm really surprised about23:48
Venemo_N900it's been 7 years and still noone got pissed enough to fix the app manager23:48
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