| DocScrutinizer05 | thermo/baro/hygro sensor goer to upper right corner of upper surface of upper, to get maximum exposed to ambient | 00:00 |
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| ceene | i guess this design has a lot more things than the n900 | 00:03 |
| ceene | would it be possible to fit everythin on a two side populated board? | 00:04 |
| ceene | don't know if it even makes sense | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | falso see http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/stacking/ For the second SIM slot there's a placement diagram in stuff/ somewhere but right now I can't find it | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure you can fit everything on a two side populated single board... given it's large enough ;-) | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I did a calculation and concluded we're at roughly 60 to 70% (iirc) use of available real estate | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when we use all 4 surfaces S1 to S4 | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly we should take that to #neo900 | 00:08 |
| ceene | sure | 00:08 |
| sunshavi | Hi guys, question about fm radio on n800 | 00:18 |
| sunshavi | I have edited the stations file on /apps/maemo/fmradio/frequency_key. How Can I tell the fmradio plugin to reload it, without rebooting | 00:20 |
| sunshavi | the plugin used to look for the info from this site http://sds.hpvisualradio.com/sdsweb/Search.do | 00:41 |
| sunshavi | if knowing the output of that operation i can simulate the output :). Any idea? | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh? | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the N810 never had a radio. And I had no N800. The N900 however hardly looks at websites to check for any parameters for the radio | 00:48 |
| ds3 | how wide of a freqency range is the radio on the n900? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err japan plus worldwide | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E some 76(?) up to 108 | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_FM_radio_receiver | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mmphh, has no decent info on freq range | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM2048 | 00:52 |
| sunshavi | I am using just the transmitter | 00:54 |
| sunshavi | which is nice by the way | 00:54 |
| ds3 | oh | 00:54 |
| ds3 | so no chance of getting it up to like 144MHz | 00:54 |
| ds3 | (Ham band) | 00:54 |
| sunshavi | the fmradio plugin on n800 is better than on n900 | 00:54 |
| sunshavi | the best radio app is on n9 | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.qic.com.cn/qicfileserver/readFile.action?filePath=/pdf/BOARDCOM/BCM2048.pdf 76-108 | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: nope, no way | 00:55 |
| sunshavi | I have recorded somewhere the exact chip that cames on n800 | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sunshavi: I'm not used to the term "plugin" | 00:56 |
| sunshavi | 4 n900 it is the name as widget | 00:56 |
| ds3 | that comes up as a 2 page flyer for me | 00:57 |
| ds3 | oh nevermind... that is a 2 page flyer :D | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still has the range | 00:57 |
| ds3 | was hoping there is a register spec on the tuner | 00:57 |
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| sunshavi | according to this page https://wiki.maemo.org/Programming_N800_FM_radio_receiver | 00:59 |
| sunshavi | it is tea5761 | 00:59 |
| sunshavi | an alternative could be to create a c prg and call it from cli. So no need 4 the plugin aka widget | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/staging/media/bcm2048/radio-bcm2048.c#L311 | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: you could try what the bcm2048 can get forced resp "overclocked" (literally) into, by patching the driver, I guess | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but I wouldn't hold my breath to see it doing anything >108 as specified in that dadashit | 01:14 |
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| ds3 | *nod* | 01:28 |
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| APic | How do i run Andorid-Apps without Dual-Boot, but inside Maemo? | 01:30 |
| APic | QEMU? | 01:30 |
| APic | Or is there a seminative Dalvik-VM? | 01:30 |
| Sicelo | no | 01:31 |
| Sicelo | there is/was apkenv .. didn't run all android applications. i never got it to work myself | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, what was that latest shit for android emu? | 01:34 |
| Sicelo | on N900? | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Shashlik | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Comparison_Chart | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all I know about that | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.shashlik.io/ | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | APic: why qemu? it's the same processor | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least could | 01:39 |
| APic | DocScrutinizer05: I thought maybe QEMU could already run Dalvik-Code | 01:40 |
| APic | But probably not | 01:40 |
| APic | So yes, i can just compile the Dalvik VM for N900 | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see shashlik | 01:41 |
| APic | Thanks! | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds reasonably easy | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, they mention qemu too | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I have no clue, never touched android | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait, I touch it when I pick up my gf's phone | 01:44 |
| ds3 | did you instantly slam it down on the ground in disgust? | 01:44 |
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| sunshavi | lol: My son got one on a contest; pretty nice hw cmp to my n800 | 01:51 |
| sunshavi | multitouch | 01:51 |
| sunshavi | awfull battery life | 01:51 |
| sunshavi | nice screen again cmp to my n800 (on sunlight specially) | 01:53 |
| ds3 | remove the google crap and the battery life will improve dramatically | 01:56 |
| ds3 | Google Play Services is the energy hog | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: nope, actually I recommended the particular phone when she asked what to get | 01:57 |
| sunshavi | any command line to rm it quickly, or just gui based? | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually first I gave her my hooker800 | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which she killed - maybe *she* slammed it into a wall ;-) | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmd line? on android? welllll.... I heard there allegedly is a way to get that | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | believe it or not, she killed the USB jack on that SG thing | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's obviously not a N900 specific problem | 02:01 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer05, yes adb shell gives you a nice terminal | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems people with low tech affinity tend to now waste a millisecond bothering about mechanical threats to plugs | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ now / not / | 02:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: seems people with low tech affinity tend to not waste a millisecond bothering about mechanical threats to plugs | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | she's relentlessly bending the USB plug up or down until the thing starts charging | 02:05 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer05: hooker800=n800? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't even try to teach her about the negative effects of that | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hooker = (spanish) lumia | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia sent me one, like all of the N9 owners | 02:06 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer05: thanks 4 the info. Btw i am an n9 owner where is my hooker? | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously they were *soooo* proud of the N9 bastard | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they sent them to all who received a N9 devel device | 02:08 |
| sunshavi | N9: nice thing have multitouch, I am too lazy 4 having another scratchbox rootstrap, 4 experimenting with it | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, my N9 died during disassembling it to rip out its secrets | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | was well worth it, the reward was 1GB RAM PoP chips for Neo900 | 02:10 |
| sunshavi | lol, my is still working. I use it as a camera. | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's a bit of a pity, the N9 was a nice device, despite the Aegis mess and all | 02:11 |
| sunshavi | n900 camera sucks. like 8 seconds for taking a second pic. I can't stand it | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 02:11 |
| sunshavi | we can have whatever that has linux inside, that's the reason my n800 still rocks | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however that's a software limitation I'd think | 02:11 |
| sunshavi | btw: n800 has better response as a bluetooth access point than n900, what's the reason for that | 02:12 |
| sunshavi | ? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the camera-ui would allocate more ram to buffer multiple pictures and write them to storage while already taking next one, this would feel way more snappy | 02:12 |
| sunshavi | connecting to an n900 (bluetooth access point) takes 10 seconds more than to an n800 bluetooth acess point | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BT access point? wth is that? | 02:13 |
| sunshavi | is the best use I have gave to my n800 | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, never heard of it | 02:14 |
| sunshavi | imagine droids being feeded internet by the n800. It is like a cavern man feeding an industrial man | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you lost me | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bt-pan | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 02:15 |
| sunshavi | https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys maemo*pan | 02:15 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo*pan' by key (1): #maemo pan. | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pan | 02:15 |
| infobot | i heard pan is https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 02:15 |
| sunshavi | yes. that's the answer | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard anybody calling that an access point | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's rather a form of tethering in my book | 02:16 |
| sunshavi | https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 02:17 |
| sunshavi | s/https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN/https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57529&p=466691/ | 02:17 |
| sunshavi | it is a more informal way of calling the PAN or NAP | 02:17 |
| sunshavi | hey infobot did not replace my urls | 02:18 |
| sunshavi | perhaps my urls need to be scaped | 02:18 |
| sunshavi | s/scaped/escaped/ | 02:19 |
| infobot | sunshavi meant: perhaps my urls need to be escaped | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe simply posting the right url instead of trying to replace it while it contains delimiters/ would have been the smarter idea ;-) | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot's sed function isn't, it's a simple strcmp based replacement without any flexibility | 02:25 |
| sunshavi | ok, brb on 3h from now. | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it however understands s///g | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | regarding N800 being faster: I guess it has less gear to handle all different scenarios of internet connectivity | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure it has a different BT chipset and firmware | 02:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 recalls tethering his N810 to a windows smartphone, to do mobile IRC | 02:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what been wrong with that siolution in the end | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly just that windows smartphone alone | 02:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what's the rationale to use an N800 to make an android smartphone | 02:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | acces the internet | 02:41 |
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| ds3 | having used the O3, the O2 is painfully slow | 04:02 |
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| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer05: battery life is the answer, n800 even feeds my n900, and when no internet (cos of problems with the ISP), guess which device provides me a wifi network | 05:48 |
| sunshavi | s/wifi/wireless/ | 05:51 |
| infobot | sunshavi meant: DocScrutinizer05: battery life is the answer, n800 even feeds my n900, and when no internet (cos of problems with the ISP), guess which device provides me a wireless network | 05:51 |
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| Vajb | i think i may have fixed my tracker problem. There was value to track /mydocs/.camera, but such folder didn't excist. | 10:41 |
| Sicelo | what was the tracker problem? | 10:52 |
| kerio | does the maemo media player play ALACs? | 10:52 |
| kerio | i never tried | 10:52 |
| Sicelo | likely not. | 10:55 |
| kerio | yeah it was opened in 2011 | 10:56 |
| KotCzarny | oscp plays alacs i think | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | never had any to test tho | 10:57 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: when ever i closed gallery, hildon-thumbnailer went berserk. Used all my precious processing power. | 11:00 |
| Vajb | it didn't help, if i let it finnish | 11:01 |
| Sicelo | ah, i remember now :) | 11:01 |
| Sicelo | glad you solved it | 11:01 |
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| Vajb | yeah, me too. I just hope it lasts. | 11:37 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I recall a similar issue with thumbnailer here. I still wonder what asked tracker to track a none existent file. | 14:26 |
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| Vajb | sixwheeledbeast: it was non existing folder here. Dunno if i have deleted it or why it was missing. | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's in trackercfg aiui | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: no such folder on my system either | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/35823959 | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh btw there _were_ bugfixes to tracker that should ship with CSSU since long time | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which might explain why I don't see that problem | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>CGroups: In the past some businesses (like Nokia) using Tracker on embedded systems have used CGroups to limit the resources the Tracker processes have.<< | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Memory allocator watchdog - osso_mem_saw_enable(): Nokia implemented this to make sure processes didn't accidentally try to allocate too much memory. Tracker used it at some time or another, but no longer.<< | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a nice example of the reasons why maemo often incorrectly considered "proprietary" | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tracker | 16:25 |
| infobot | ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit."" Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | @cssu ^^^ | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/35823959 | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# grep ".camera" /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WatchDirectoryRoots=$HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/;$HOME/MyDocs/.documents/;$HOME/MyDocs/.videos/;$HOME/MyDocs/.images/;$HOME/MyDocs/.camera/; | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2859 2009-01-01 06:03 /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 16:36 |
| FIQ | tracker | 16:38 |
| FIQ | isn't that the thing that constantly drains resources to index things you don't care about | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -lb /home/user/MyDocs/._* | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 4096 2010-03-30 16:58 /home/user/MyDocs/._ | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: exactly | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH!! >>^@^E^V^G^@^B^@^@Mac OS X ^@<< | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway http://paste.opensuse.org/54703065 | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | @cssu: we should provide a decent update for a properly configured /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg, possibly even as patch(1) | 16:47 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05, can it be killed | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what? tracker? | 16:48 |
| FIQ | yes | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can kill the tracker process but that doesn't do no good | 16:48 |
| FIQ | bah | 16:48 |
| FIQ | that's stupid | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, tracker *is* stupid | 16:49 |
| FIQ | why couldn't nokia just have a setting | 16:49 |
| FIQ | "Enable indexing of media files" | 16:49 |
| FIQ | or at least allow one to do it oneself by terminal hackery | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because gallery, mediaplayer and whatnot else depend on working tracker | 16:49 |
| FIQ | aargh | 16:49 |
| FIQ | why | 16:49 |
| APic | -_- | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because... "user is stupid and doesn't grok the concept of pathnames" | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply because "Aplle does it that way too" | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apple even | 16:50 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05, they know how computers work somehow | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can use mediaplayer with plain file pathnames by simply clicking the file in any integrated filebrowser (mimetypes?), for gallery I don't know of any alternative to using tracker for the thumbnails | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, prolly clicking on a .jpg etc should work too | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly tracker somewhat 'works' at least for gallery, when configured correctly | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for mediaplayer YMMV, it fscks up pretty thoroughly at least when you have same song title in several albums resp storage locations | 16:58 |
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| * Sicelo thinks tracker is a much lesser evil than the Apple concept. that sucks to the max | 17:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spotlight? | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or the iOS concept? I'm not fully aware how that works, I guess it has fenced storage areas for each app and you need some "conduits" to access data owned by another app? | 17:12 |
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| KotCzarny | fiq: you can just use any other apps instead of tracker hostages | 17:33 |
| ceene | maybe someone here knows how to solve a problem i'm having | 17:36 |
| KotCzarny | ceene: format c: | 17:36 |
| ceene | xilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Up - 100Mbps/Full - flow control rx/tx | 17:36 |
| ceene | xilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Downxilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Down | 17:36 |
| ceene | over and over again | 17:36 |
| ceene | first up | 17:36 |
| ceene | then down | 17:36 |
| KotCzarny | autoneg troubles? | 17:36 |
| KotCzarny | try adding switch in between | 17:37 |
| ceene | there's already a switch | 17:37 |
| ceene | and cable is fine and all that | 17:37 |
| ceene | it's a device tree issue, or maybe a hardware issue (hardware that is implemented on an FPGA) | 17:37 |
| KotCzarny | link up/down is handled by PHY part | 17:38 |
| KotCzarny | try setting it to fixed speed? | 17:39 |
| KotCzarny | mii-tool etc | 17:39 |
| ceene | i can try that | 17:40 |
| ceene | i have to compile ethtool first | 17:40 |
| ceene | my phy is a texas instruments' DP83848 | 17:41 |
| KotCzarny | try connecting to pc and set the link on the other side (or just disable autoneg) | 17:41 |
| ceene | it has a driver on linux, but it isn't configurable by any parameter on the device tree | 17:41 |
| ceene | so i guess It Should Just Work TM | 17:41 |
| ceene | Cannot get current device settings: Operation not supported | 17:43 |
| ceene | not setting speed | 17:43 |
| ceene | not setting duplex | 17:43 |
| ceene | uhm | 17:43 |
| ceene | i guess emaclite doesn't support so many things | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | you may try moving it somewhere, maybe its e-m noise | 17:45 |
| ceene | no, that's not it | 17:45 |
| ceene | this thing works fine with a different firmware | 17:45 |
| ceene | it's either a matter of linux dts configuration or fpga firmware on which i've done something wrong | 17:46 |
| ceene | but cannot see what :/ | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.microchip.com/forums/download.axd?file=0;712250&where=&f=dp83848c_pdf.jpg | 17:48 |
| ceene | uhmmmm | 17:50 |
| ceene | maybe i need to tell this thing to work on rmii mode | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.microchip.com/forums/m705650.aspx | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | from this talk | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you will get any useful hint | 17:51 |
| ceene | uhmmm nope :( | 17:52 |
| ceene | linux driver takes care of all that by himself | 17:53 |
| KotCzarny | if you have both firmwares sources you can try comparing drivers | 17:55 |
| ceene | i think it's fpga firmware what's wrong | 18:01 |
| ceene | yep | 18:01 |
| ceene | definitely | 18:01 |
| ceene | xilkernel doesn't work for this fpga firmware, but does for a simpler one | 18:01 |
| ceene | so i've done something wrong probably | 18:02 |
| ceene | but what? | 18:02 |
| ceene | tomorrow'll be another day | 18:07 |
| ceene | cya! | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | bb | 18:07 |
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| Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: I have cssu-testing. That thing was in trackercfg by default. So far it seems this is working. Cpu usage drops to normal almost instantly when i close gallery. Earlier it could stay maxed for hours. | 19:48 |
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| char | hello, I would like to compile a modern console xmpp client on my N900. Do you think it's feasible? I installed gcc for maemo and I've also read about tcc as C compilers. However, I'm not sure what kind of programs I should expect to be able to compile and install succesfully. Would you please advise me? | 20:33 |
| char | I tried installing MCabber and would probably try Profanity as well. I thought that console programs were easier to "port" to Maemo, but I'm not very programming-literate | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not exactly recommended to build on target platform. There's scratchbox SDK for that | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | depends on lib requirements | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb | 20:36 |
| infobot | well, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | some apps require current libraries to build/run | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | and maemo is stuck in 2009 mostly | 20:37 |
| char | I will have to look into scratchbox, thanks for mentioning it | 20:37 |
| char | KotCzarny: indeed, but I thought that you can compile them too, right? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | building on target (N900) is some fancy exercise for hackers | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | char, also, old compilers | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | on device there is 4.2 as newest | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you won't succeed unless you go in depth into installing a easydeb chroot environment etc | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | s/4.2/5.3/ | 20:39 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: on device there is 5.3 as newest | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | in scratchbox you have to hack a bit and get 4.7 | 20:39 |
| char | I love Maemo and wouldn't want to change it. However, would it be better on the Xubuntu version for the n900? | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | we are stuck with some binary blobs still | 20:40 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont mind phone part stopping functioning, you can install almost anything | 20:40 |
| char | thanks a lot guys, I learned a lot to think about | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when did you start looking into maemo? | 20:41 |
| char | only last year, I'm very late | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | char, for starters just acquire sb and try | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | there is a chance things will work out of the box | 20:41 |
| char | I will | 20:41 |
| char | read you later | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I can 'smell' some beginners' misconceptions about how stuff is done in maemo land | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | ~vmsdk | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | ~sdkvm | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | ~sbvm | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | drat. what was the factoid | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys vm | 20:42 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vm' by key (21 of 74): #maemo vmo ;; [vmlinuz] no ;; check_devmode ;; foundation profile cvm ;; kvm ;; linux jvm ;; lvm_tutorial ;; main lvm ;; mean u wan the vm system ;; navman sleeve ;; privmsg ;; pvm ;; pvm gmake ;; pvm++ ;; pvmsync ;; pypvm ;; statuspage [vmlinuz] ;; uvm ;; vm ;; vmd ;; vmusic. | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is highly optimized to work for the target platform and the standard usecases, which in case of N900 is a phone | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys sb | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also are constantly short on RAM in maemo | 20:42 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'sb' by key (20 of 345): #maemo sb ;; addressbook ;; airport sbn ;; asbutton ;; cmd: heartsbane (.*?) ;; fsbot ;; grisby ;; itsbruce ;; lsb-fhs ;; nsbd ;; sb ;; sbz ;; solomonsbox ;; uk usb keyboards ;; usb master ;; usb networking ;; usb-host ;; usbrestore ;; uusbd ;; weathercode hattiesburg. | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys image | 20:44 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'image' by key (13 of 68): #maemo zimage-fb ;; ? zimage ;; as cd image. this ;; backup d-i images ;; blob binary image ;; bzimage ;; can you "file" both images and see if the format ;; cd images ;; cloning ipaq root image ;; create cd image ;; dzo's images ;; gimp imagemap plug-in ;; great images for your desktop. | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys vmimage | 20:44 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vmimage' by key returned no results. | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget as cd image. this | 20:44 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot as cd image. this | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget can you "file" both images and see if the format | 20:45 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot can you "file" both images and see if the format | 20:45 |
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| KotCzarny | ~listkeys muarf | 20:46 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'muarf' by key returned no results. | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues nuarf | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues muarf | 20:46 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'nuarf' by value returned no results. | 20:46 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'muarf' by value (2): tabletsdev ;; #maemo repos. | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | ~tabletsdev | 20:47 |
| infobot | rumour has it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | char: you can get vm image of the scratchbox from the last link | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb | 20:53 |
| infobot | scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: so, upgrading openssl to the one in cssu-devel has fixed gmail for you? | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: as it is not clear from your post :) | 21:05 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 21:35 |
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| char | thanks guys, I'm a bit confused though. I'm not sure what I should do with the 1.4GB Maemo Ubuntu Lucid Desktop file. Is it an OS that I can use to test my compiling before I try it on the n900? | 21:59 |
| char | The packages on scratchbox.org don't exceed 50MB | 22:01 |
| char | I don't understand | 22:01 |
| char | DocScrutinizer05: I'm downloading the file you linked | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | have you e ver used virtualbox or vmware? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | char: it's a VM for virtualbox/xen/whatever | 22:03 |
| char | yes | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | then you know what vm image is | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | just boot it | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | it has linux+sb+sdk preinstalled | 22:03 |
| char | oh I see | 22:04 |
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| Sicelo | freemangordon: lol .. i thought that version is/was default for thumb/testing? | 22:45 |
| Sicelo | but yes, gmail works for my N900 | 22:45 |
| Sicelo | char: which xmpp did you have in mind? irssi had an xmpp plugin last i checked, and we have the latest irssi on N900 already | 22:47 |
| char | Sicelo: anything that could replace Pidgin.. MCabber and Profanity should both be programmed in C, while Poezio is good but coded in Python and it looked less likely to be ported | 22:52 |
| char | does irssi enable OTR encryption? | 22:52 |
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| Sicelo | not sure .. you could check ;) | 22:54 |
| Sicelo | we also have relatively good python support (2.5 & 2.7 at least) | 22:55 |
| char | https://github.com/cryptodotis/irssi-otr/ would this work on Maemo? | 22:55 |
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| char | Poezio requires Python 3.4 for compiling, but they mention "Pyenv" that could help you install it | 22:56 |
| Sicelo | ah | 22:58 |
| Sicelo | (not saying anything's wrong with doing it your own way .. but what's wrong with pidgin?) | 22:58 |
| char | I really need a XMPP client on my phone, so I think I will commit to this goal. Would you like being kept on the loop Sicelo? | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | yes :) | 22:59 |
| char | Pidgin is good, but it's getting old and compiling new versions (and new OTR plugins) seem harder or less likely than a console client | 23:00 |
| char | less likely to succeed* | 23:01 |
| char | when I have the SB + SDK I will try anything I can | 23:01 |
| char | by the way, these console clients are really good, I even prefer them to Pidgin from time to time | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | of course. /me IRC's from irssi even on N900 | 23:03 |
| char | well, I'm glad I found out about irssi on Maemo. I fear compiling its OTR plugin won't be easy but I could try | 23:05 |
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| char | MCabber, Profanity, Poezio, Irssi.. I'll get busy soon | 23:06 |
| Sicelo | profanity site doesn't exactly say what the dependencies are | 23:13 |
| char | guess what? I found mcabber 0.9.10-1maemo6 in my application manager. It must be Christmas | 23:13 |
| Sicelo | :) | 23:13 |
| char | but I can't install it because it's missing "gcc-4.2base | 23:14 |
| Sicelo | yes, we have that | 23:14 |
| Sicelo | um .. gcc-4.2-base is in SDK repo | 23:15 |
| Sicelo | dunno if that version of mcabber has OTR | 23:15 |
| char | probably not | 23:17 |
| char | a lot of software I can't install due to this gcc-4.2-base | 23:17 |
| Sicelo | try it and see. maybe you can update it ;) | 23:17 |
| Sicelo | profanity seems easy too | 23:18 |
| char | I'm looking for the SDK repository | 23:18 |
| Sicelo | be careful of that repo however .. best to disable it after you've installed that gcc you need. | 23:18 |
| Sicelo | it's at the same level as -devel ... mistakes could lead to reflash | 23:19 |
| char | I see.. I'd better try on a virtual machine first | 23:20 |
| bencoh | you can bootstrap a maemo scratchbox/sdk from a vanilla debian and proper repositories if you want | 23:23 |
| bencoh | there is a wiki page about that | 23:23 |
| char | I installed gcc-4.2-base from a .deb file, will see. bencoh, unfortunately I don't understand what that means | 23:25 |
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| freemangordon | char: in short: you can install maemo SDK on debian based distro, without going the VM route | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | ~sb | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | ~ping | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | hmm, she | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | 's dead | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | ~ping | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh we had a netsplit | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 70s | 23:30 |
| char | freemangordon: thanks, okay.. | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-19 Thu 22:30:21] [Notify] apt is online (chat.freenode.net). | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-19 Thu 22:30:21] [Notify] infobot is online (chat.freenode.net). | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-19 Thu 22:30:21] [Notify] purl is online (chat.freenode.net). | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | char: also, if you need newer gcc, see: | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | caaaaalm! | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | :) | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, 90s | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb | 23:31 |
| infobot | thx | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb | 23:32 |
| infobot | [cssu-thumb] <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | char: that ^^^ one | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested ~sb multiple times already | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however "the VM route" seems way more convenient | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 23:35 |
| char | DocScrutinizer05: I'm still downloading the virtual machine to follow your suggestion | 23:35 |
| char | freemangordon: I'm enabling CSSU | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 23:36 |
| infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | char: good, but make sure to read the wiki and understand what is what (-stable, -testing, -thumb, -devel) | 23:36 |
| char | I'll go with stable first | 23:36 |
| char | and will then enable thumb | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in short, *-thumb is not recommended for beginners | 23:37 |
| char | okay | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | char: I'd recommend -testing first and then -thumb | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ack | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | -stable has not been updated for a while. Which reminds me... | 23:37 |
| char | okay, will skip stable | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "testing is the new stable" - as always ;-P | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ping | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen this in OM, SHR, Freetz, and CSSU | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stable eventually bitrots beyond fubar | 23:38 |
| char | gcc-4.2base prevents me from enabling CSSU | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errn wut? | 23:39 |
| Sicelo | 22:15 < Sicelo> um .. gcc-4.2-base is in SDK repo | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | char: why is that package needed? for compiling on-device? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please follow the instructions on ~cssu, verbatim | 23:40 |
| char | freemangordon: I think so | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already explained compiling on device is a very poor idea for everybody except leete hackers | 23:40 |
| char | DocScrutinizer05: I'm not ignoring that | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | char: you don;t really want to do that (compile on-device) | 23:41 |
| char | I get this error from the application manager, the GUI | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | char: well, remove that package then and install cssu-testing. I assume your device is freshly-flashed | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got, like, ~100MB "free" RAM for the compiler | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | that much? | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | I doubt :) | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hrhrhr | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm optimistic | 23:42 |
| char | freemangordon: not freshly-flashed.. but I will remove it | 23:42 |
| char | it is still proving missing by the way | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | char: but you flashed it after you bought it, right? | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget a df -h | 23:42 |
| char | freemangordon: yes, last year or so | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | ok | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrflashing | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing-jr | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc HAM checks for the available disk space before upgrading | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and that's pretty fubar too ;-) | 23:43 |
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| freemangordon | are you sure? did you look at the code? | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until you got the CSSU fixes to that | 23:44 |
| Sicelo | char: i had thought you meant gcc-base was needed for mcabber. have just checked dependencies list, and that's not the case. just to clear any unintended confusion, i am also discouraging you from on-device compiling :) | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: so, you have cssu-devel enabled on your device without even knowing? | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | that's even worse than on-device compiling :p | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yes, I'm sure it had a friggin bug in calculating needed vs free space | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | hmm, ok | 23:45 |
| char | apt-get remove gcc-4.2base -> couldn't find package gcc-4.2base | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | char: dpkg -l | grep gcc | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | to find the package name | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | resulting in "please use PC-suite" | 23:45 |
| Sicelo | freemangordon: i do :p | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a) purge | 23:46 |
| char | gcc-4.2, gcc-4.2-base, libgcc1 | 23:46 |
| Sicelo | it's just been a while, so i thought this openssl had come with thumb ... | 23:46 |
| char | I do have it, it's just a dash sign that makes them look different | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even sure that stuff will cleanly uninstall | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | char: well,... | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all it's probably hardly ever been tested | 23:47 |
| char | I know what to uninstall, but it will still say it's missing when I try to install something. Right? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry folks, afk | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | char: you need gcc to compile, you you remove it, you won;t be able to, but HAM won;t complain as I am not aware of any package in maemo that has dependency to gcc | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | s/you you/if you | 23:49 |
| char | freemangordon: HAM is complaining about it though | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | (23,39,30) char: gcc-4.2base prevents me from enabling CSSU | 23:50 |
| char | it's a HAM operation | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | which means that it will stop complaining once you remove it | 23:50 |
| char | no it says it can't find it | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | you can;t uninstall that from HAM | 23:50 |
| char | it says you it needs that to install stuff, like the CSSU enabler | 23:51 |
| char | and it can't find it so it won't resume the installation process | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | you need to "apt-get remove gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base" iiuc | 23:51 |
| char | I'm doing it already | 23:52 |
| char | but it doesn't remove them either :\ | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | any error message? | 23:52 |
| char | unmet dependencies | 23:52 |
| Sicelo | dpkg -l | grep gcc* ? | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | char: pastebin please | 23:53 |
| Sicelo | freemangordon: seems mp-fremantle-generic-pr has dependency to gcc-4.2-base | 23:54 |
| char | sure, let me upload it | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: really? | 23:54 |
| Sicelo | check it | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | well, then only gcc-4.2 needs a removal imo | 23:55 |
| char | http://pastebin.com/Kr1kbRpJ | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | char: and what is the result of "apt-get remove gcc-4.2"? | 23:57 |
| char | in a second | 23:57 |
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