IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2016-05-19

DocScrutinizer05thermo/baro/hygro sensor goer to upper right corner of upper surface of upper, to get maximum exposed to ambient00:00
ceenei guess this design has a lot more things than the n90000:03
ceenewould it be possible to fit everythin on a two side populated board?00:04
ceenedon't know if it even makes sense00:05
DocScrutinizer05falso see  For the second SIM slot there's a placement diagram in stuff/ somewhere but right now I can't find it00:05
DocScrutinizer05sure you can fit everything on a two side populated single board... given it's large enough ;-)00:06
DocScrutinizer05I did a calculation and concluded we're at roughly 60 to 70% (iirc) use of available real estate00:07
DocScrutinizer05when we use all 4 surfaces S1 to S400:07
DocScrutinizer05honestly we should take that to #neo90000:08
sunshaviHi guys, question about fm radio on n80000:18
sunshaviI have edited the stations file on /apps/maemo/fmradio/frequency_key. How Can I tell the fmradio plugin to reload it, without rebooting00:20
sunshavithe plugin used to look for the info from this site
sunshaviif knowing the output of that operation i can simulate the output :). Any idea?00:43
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DocScrutinizer05I think the N810 never had a radio. And I had no N800. The N900 however hardly looks at websites to check for any parameters for the radio00:48
ds3how wide of a freqency range is the radio on the n900?00:48
DocScrutinizer05err japan plus worldwide00:49
DocScrutinizer05I.E some 76(?) up to 10800:49
DocScrutinizer05mmphh, has no decent info on freq range00:51
sunshaviI am using just the transmitter00:54
sunshaviwhich is nice by the way00:54
ds3so no chance of getting it up to like 144MHz00:54
ds3(Ham band)00:54
sunshavithe fmradio plugin on n800 is better than on n90000:54
sunshavithe best radio app is on n900:54
DocScrutinizer05  76-10800:55
DocScrutinizer05ds3: nope, no way00:55
sunshaviI have recorded somewhere the exact chip that cames on n80000:56
DocScrutinizer05sunshavi: I'm not used to the term "plugin"00:56
sunshavi4 n900 it is the name as widget00:56
ds3that comes up as a 2 page flyer for me00:57
ds3oh nevermind... that is a 2 page flyer :D00:57
DocScrutinizer05still has the range00:57
ds3was hoping there is a register spec on the tuner00:57
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sunshaviaccording to this page
sunshaviit is tea576100:59
sunshavian alternative could be to create a c prg and call it from cli. So no need 4 the plugin aka widget01:05
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DocScrutinizer05ds3: you could try what the bcm2048 can get forced resp "overclocked" (literally) into, by patching the driver, I guess01:13
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DocScrutinizer05but I wouldn't hold my breath to see it doing anything >108 as specified in that dadashit01:14
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APicHow do i run Andorid-Apps without Dual-Boot, but inside Maemo?01:30
APicOr is there a seminative Dalvik-VM?01:30
Sicelothere is/was apkenv .. didn't run all android applications. i never got it to work myself01:32
DocScrutinizer05hmm, what was that latest shit for android emu?01:34
Siceloon N900?01:34
DocScrutinizer05all I know about that01:36
DocScrutinizer05APic: why qemu? it's the same processor01:38
DocScrutinizer05at least could01:39
APicDocScrutinizer05: I thought maybe QEMU could already run Dalvik-Code01:40
APicBut probably not01:40
APicSo yes, i can just compile the Dalvik VM for N90001:40
DocScrutinizer05see shashlik01:41
DocScrutinizer05sounds reasonably easy01:41
DocScrutinizer05hmm, they mention qemu too01:42
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DocScrutinizer05sorry I have no clue, never touched android01:43
DocScrutinizer05ooh wait, I touch it when I pick up my gf's phone01:44
ds3did you instantly slam it down on the ground in disgust?01:44
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sunshavilol: My son got one on a contest; pretty nice hw cmp to my n80001:51
sunshaviawfull battery life01:51
sunshavinice screen again cmp to my n800 (on sunlight specially)01:53
ds3remove the google crap and the battery life will improve dramatically01:56
ds3Google Play Services is the energy hog01:56
DocScrutinizer05ds3: nope, actually I recommended the particular phone when she asked what to get01:57
sunshaviany command line to rm it quickly, or just gui based?01:57
DocScrutinizer05well, actually first I gave her my hooker80001:57
DocScrutinizer05which she killed - maybe *she* slammed it into a wall ;-)01:58
DocScrutinizer05cmd line? on android? welllll.... I heard there allegedly is a way to get that01:59
DocScrutinizer05believe it or not, she killed the USB jack on that SG thing02:01
DocScrutinizer05so it's obviously not a N900 specific problem02:01
sunshaviDocScrutinizer05, yes adb shell gives you a nice terminal02:03
DocScrutinizer05seems people with low tech affinity tend to now waste a millisecond bothering about mechanical threats to plugs02:03
DocScrutinizer05s/ now / not /02:04
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: seems people with low tech affinity tend to not waste a millisecond bothering about mechanical threats to plugs02:04
DocScrutinizer05she's relentlessly bending the USB plug up or down until the thing starts charging02:05
sunshaviDocScrutinizer05: hooker800=n800?02:05
DocScrutinizer05I won't even try to teach her about the negative effects of that02:05
DocScrutinizer05hooker = (spanish) lumia02:06
DocScrutinizer05Nokia sent me one, like all of the N9 owners02:06
sunshaviDocScrutinizer05: thanks 4 the info. Btw i am an n9 owner where is my hooker?02:07
DocScrutinizer05obviously they were *soooo* proud of the N9 bastard02:07
DocScrutinizer05I guess they sent them to all who received a N9 devel device02:08
sunshaviN9: nice thing have multitouch, I am too lazy 4 having another scratchbox rootstrap, 4 experimenting with it02:08
DocScrutinizer05well, my N9 died during disassembling it to rip out its secrets02:09
DocScrutinizer05was well worth it, the reward was 1GB RAM PoP chips for Neo90002:10
sunshavilol, my is still working. I use it as a camera.02:10
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it's a bit of a pity, the N9 was a nice device, despite the Aegis mess and all02:11
sunshavin900 camera sucks. like 8 seconds for taking a second pic. I can't stand it02:11
sunshaviwe can have whatever that has linux inside, that's the reason my n800 still rocks02:11
DocScrutinizer05however that's a software limitation I'd think02:11
sunshavibtw: n800 has better response as a bluetooth access point than n900, what's the reason for that02:12
DocScrutinizer05if the camera-ui would allocate more ram to buffer multiple pictures and write them to storage while already taking next one, this would feel way more snappy02:12
sunshaviconnecting to an n900 (bluetooth access point) takes 10 seconds more than to an n800 bluetooth acess point02:12
DocScrutinizer05BT access point? wth is that?02:13
sunshaviis the best use I have gave to my n80002:13
DocScrutinizer05nfc, never heard of it02:14
sunshaviimagine droids being feeded internet by the n800. It is like a cavern man feeding an industrial man02:14
DocScrutinizer05you lost me02:14
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys maemo*pan02:15
infobotFactoid search of 'maemo*pan' by key (1): #maemo pan.02:15
infoboti heard pan is
sunshaviyes. that's the answer02:15
DocScrutinizer05never heard anybody calling that an access point02:16
DocScrutinizer05it's rather a form of tethering in my book02:16
sunshaviit is a more informal way of calling the PAN or NAP02:17
sunshavihey infobot did not replace my urls02:18
sunshaviperhaps my urls need to be scaped02:18
infobotsunshavi meant: perhaps my urls need to be escaped02:19
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DocScrutinizer05maybe simply posting the right url instead of trying to replace it while it contains delimiters/ would have been the smarter idea ;-)02:24
DocScrutinizer05infobot's sed function isn't, it's a simple strcmp based replacement without any flexibility02:25
sunshaviok, brb on 3h from now.02:26
DocScrutinizer05it however understands s///g02:26
DocScrutinizer05regarding N800 being faster: I guess it has less gear to handle all different scenarios of internet connectivity02:28
DocScrutinizer05and for sure it has a different BT chipset and firmware02:29
* DocScrutinizer05 recalls tethering his N810 to a windows smartphone, to do mobile IRC02:30
DocScrutinizer05dunno what been wrong with that siolution in the end02:30
DocScrutinizer05prolly just that windows smartphone alone02:31
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what's the rationale to use an N800 to make an android smartphone02:41
DocScrutinizer05acces the internet02:41
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ds3having used the O3, the O2 is painfully slow04:02
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sunshaviDocScrutinizer05: battery life is the answer, n800 even feeds my n900, and when no internet (cos of problems with the ISP), guess which device provides me a wifi network05:48
infobotsunshavi meant: DocScrutinizer05: battery life is the answer, n800 even feeds my n900, and when no internet (cos of problems with the ISP), guess which device provides me a wireless network05:51
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Vajbi think i may have fixed my tracker problem. There was value to track /mydocs/.camera, but such folder didn't excist.10:41
Sicelowhat was the tracker problem?10:52
keriodoes the maemo media player play ALACs?10:52
kerioi never tried10:52
Sicelolikely not.10:55
kerioyeah it was opened in 201110:56
KotCzarnyoscp plays alacs i think10:57
KotCzarnynever had any to test tho10:57
VajbSicelo: when ever i closed gallery, hildon-thumbnailer went berserk. Used all my precious processing power.11:00
Vajbit didn't help, if i let it finnish11:01
Siceloah, i remember now :)11:01
Siceloglad you solved it11:01
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Vajbyeah, me too. I just hope it lasts.11:37
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sixwheeledbeastI recall a similar issue with thumbnailer here. I still wonder what asked tracker to track a none existent file.14:26
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Vajbsixwheeledbeast: it was non existing folder here. Dunno if i have deleted it or why it was missing.15:17
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DocScrutinizer05it's in trackercfg aiui15:58
DocScrutinizer05Vajb: no such folder on my system either16:01
DocScrutinizer05ooh btw there _were_ bugfixes to tracker that should ship with CSSU since long time16:10
DocScrutinizer05which might explain why I don't see that problem16:10
DocScrutinizer05>>CGroups: In the past some businesses (like Nokia) using Tracker on embedded systems have used CGroups to limit the resources the Tracker processes have.<<16:24
DocScrutinizer05>>Memory allocator watchdog - osso_mem_saw_enable(): Nokia implemented this to make sure processes didn't accidentally try to allocate too much memory. Tracker used it at some time or another, but no longer.<<16:25
DocScrutinizer05a nice example of the reasons why maemo often incorrectly considered "proprietary"16:25
infobot""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit.""   Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?!
DocScrutinizer05@cssu ^^^16:34
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# grep ".camera" /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg16:36
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg16:36
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2859 2009-01-01 06:03 /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg16:36
FIQisn't that the thing that constantly drains resources to index things you don't care about16:38
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ls -lb /home/user/MyDocs/._*16:39
DocScrutinizer05-rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 4096 2010-03-30 16:58 /home/user/MyDocs/._16:39
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: exactly16:39
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DocScrutinizer05MEH!!  >>^@^E^V^G^@^B^@^@Mac OS X        ^@<<16:41
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DocScrutinizer05@cssu: we should provide a decent update for a properly configured /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg, possibly even as patch(1)16:47
FIQDocScrutinizer05, can it be killed16:48
DocScrutinizer05what? tracker?16:48
DocScrutinizer05you can kill the tracker process but that doesn't do no good16:48
FIQthat's stupid16:48
DocScrutinizer05yes, tracker *is* stupid16:49
FIQwhy couldn't nokia just have a setting16:49
FIQ"Enable indexing of media files"16:49
FIQor at least allow one to do it oneself by terminal hackery16:49
DocScrutinizer05because gallery, mediaplayer and whatnot else depend on working tracker16:49
DocScrutinizer05because... "user is stupid and doesn't grok the concept of pathnames"16:50
DocScrutinizer05or simply because "Aplle does it that way too"16:50
DocScrutinizer05apple even16:50
FIQDocScrutinizer05, they know how computers work somehow16:55
DocScrutinizer05you can use mediaplayer with plain file pathnames by simply clicking the file in any integrated filebrowser (mimetypes?), for gallery I don't know of any alternative to using tracker for the thumbnails16:55
DocScrutinizer05well, prolly clicking on a .jpg etc should work too16:56
DocScrutinizer05but honestly tracker somewhat 'works' at least for gallery, when configured correctly16:57
DocScrutinizer05for mediaplayer YMMV, it fscks up pretty thoroughly at least when you have same song title in several albums resp storage locations16:58
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* Sicelo thinks tracker is a much lesser evil than the Apple concept. that sucks to the max17:00
DocScrutinizer05or the iOS concept? I'm not fully aware how that works, I guess it has fenced storage areas for each app and you need some "conduits" to access data owned by another app?17:12
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KotCzarnyfiq: you can just use any other apps instead of tracker hostages17:33
ceenemaybe someone here knows how to solve a problem i'm having17:36
KotCzarnyceene: format c:17:36
ceenexilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Up - 100Mbps/Full - flow control rx/tx17:36
ceenexilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Downxilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Down17:36
ceeneover and over again17:36
ceenefirst up17:36
ceenethen down17:36
KotCzarnyautoneg troubles?17:36
KotCzarnytry adding switch in between17:37
ceenethere's already a switch17:37
ceeneand cable is fine and all that17:37
ceeneit's a device tree issue, or maybe a hardware issue (hardware that is implemented on an FPGA)17:37
KotCzarnylink up/down is handled by PHY part17:38
KotCzarnytry setting it to fixed speed?17:39
KotCzarnymii-tool etc17:39
ceenei can try that17:40
ceenei have to compile ethtool first17:40
ceenemy phy is a texas instruments' DP8384817:41
KotCzarnytry connecting to pc and set the link on the other side (or just disable autoneg)17:41
ceeneit has a driver on linux, but it isn't configurable by any parameter on the device tree17:41
ceeneso i guess It Should Just Work TM17:41
ceeneCannot get current device settings: Operation not supported17:43
ceene  not setting speed17:43
ceene  not setting duplex17:43
ceenei guess emaclite doesn't support so many things17:43
KotCzarnyyou may try moving it somewhere, maybe its e-m noise17:45
ceeneno, that's not it17:45
ceenethis thing works fine with a different firmware17:45
ceeneit's either a matter of linux dts configuration or fpga firmware on which i've done something wrong17:46
ceenebut cannot see what :/17:46
ceenemaybe i need to tell this thing to work on rmii mode17:50
KotCzarnyfrom this talk17:50
KotCzarnymaybe you will get any useful hint17:51
ceeneuhmmm nope :(17:52
ceenelinux driver takes care of all that by himself17:53
KotCzarnyif you have both firmwares sources you can try comparing drivers17:55
ceenei think it's fpga firmware what's wrong18:01
ceenexilkernel doesn't work for this fpga firmware, but does for a simpler one18:01
ceeneso i've done something wrong probably18:02
ceenebut what?18:02
ceenetomorrow'll be another day18:07
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VajbDocScrutinizer05: I have cssu-testing. That thing was in trackercfg by default. So far it seems this is working. Cpu usage drops to normal almost instantly when i close gallery. Earlier it could stay maxed for hours.19:48
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charhello, I would like to compile a modern console xmpp client on my N900. Do you think it's feasible? I installed gcc for maemo and I've also read about tcc as C compilers. However, I'm not sure what kind of programs I should expect to be able to compile and install succesfully. Would you please advise me?20:33
charI tried installing MCabber and would probably try Profanity as well. I thought that console programs were easier to "port" to Maemo, but I'm not very programming-literate20:35
DocScrutinizer05it's not exactly recommended to build on target platform. There's scratchbox SDK for that20:36
KotCzarnydepends on lib requirements20:36
infobotwell, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
KotCzarnysome apps require current libraries to build/run20:37
KotCzarnyand maemo is stuck in 2009 mostly20:37
charI will have to look into scratchbox, thanks for mentioning it20:37
charKotCzarny: indeed, but I thought that you can compile them too, right?20:38
DocScrutinizer05building on target (N900) is some fancy exercise for hackers20:38
KotCzarnychar, also, old compilers20:38
KotCzarnyon device there is 4.2 as newest20:38
DocScrutinizer05you won't succeed unless you go in depth into installing a easydeb chroot environment etc20:38
infobotKotCzarny meant: on device there is 5.3 as newest20:39
KotCzarnyin scratchbox you have to hack a bit and get 4.720:39
charI love Maemo and wouldn't want to change it. However, would it be better on the Xubuntu version for the n900?20:39
KotCzarnywe are stuck with some binary blobs still20:40
KotCzarnyif you dont mind phone part stopping functioning, you can install almost anything20:40
charthanks a lot guys, I learned a lot to think about20:40
DocScrutinizer05when did you start looking into maemo?20:41
charonly last year, I'm very late20:41
KotCzarnychar, for starters just acquire sb and try20:41
KotCzarnythere is a chance things will work out of the box20:41
charI will20:41
charread you later20:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I can 'smell' some beginners' misconceptions about how stuff is done in maemo land20:41
KotCzarnydrat. what was the factoid20:42
KotCzarny~listkeys vm20:42
infobotFactoid search of 'vm' by key (21 of 74): #maemo vmo ;; [vmlinuz] no ;; check_devmode ;; foundation profile cvm ;; kvm ;; linux jvm ;; lvm_tutorial ;; main lvm ;; mean u wan the vm system ;; navman sleeve ;; privmsg ;; pvm ;; pvm gmake ;; pvm++ ;; pvmsync ;; pypvm ;; statuspage [vmlinuz] ;; uvm ;; vm ;; vmd ;; vmusic.20:42
DocScrutinizer05maemo is highly optimized to work for the target platform and the standard usecases, which in case of N900 is a phone20:42
KotCzarny~listkeys sb20:42
DocScrutinizer05you also are constantly short on RAM in maemo20:42
infobotFactoid search of 'sb' by key (20 of 345): #maemo sb ;; addressbook ;; airport sbn ;; asbutton ;; cmd: heartsbane (.*?) ;; fsbot ;; grisby ;; itsbruce ;; lsb-fhs ;; nsbd ;; sb ;; sbz ;; solomonsbox ;; uk usb keyboards ;; usb master ;; usb networking ;; usb-host ;; usbrestore ;; uusbd ;; weathercode hattiesburg.20:42
KotCzarny~listkeys image20:44
infobotFactoid search of 'image' by key (13 of 68): #maemo zimage-fb ;; ? zimage ;; as cd image. this ;; backup d-i images ;; blob binary image ;; bzimage ;; can you "file" both images and see if the format ;; cd images ;; cloning ipaq root image ;; create cd image ;; dzo's images ;; gimp imagemap plug-in ;; great images for your desktop.20:44
KotCzarny~listkeys vmimage20:44
infobotFactoid search of 'vmimage' by key returned no results.20:44
DocScrutinizer05~forget as cd image. this20:44
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot as cd image. this20:44
DocScrutinizer05~forget can you "file" both images and see if the format20:45
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot can you "file" both images and see if the format20:45
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KotCzarny~listkeys muarf20:46
infobotFactoid search of 'muarf' by key returned no results.20:46
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues nuarf20:46
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues muarf20:46
infobotFactoid search of 'nuarf' by value returned no results.20:46
infobotFactoid search of 'muarf' by value (2): tabletsdev ;; #maemo repos.20:46
infobotrumour has it, tabletsdev is , (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site, or, or
KotCzarnychar: you can get vm image of the scratchbox from the last link20:47
infobotscratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
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freemangordonSicelo: so, upgrading openssl to the one in cssu-devel has fixed gmail for you?21:04
freemangordonSicelo: as it is not clear from your post :)21:05
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charthanks guys, I'm a bit confused though. I'm not sure what I should do with the 1.4GB Maemo Ubuntu Lucid Desktop file. Is it an OS that I can use to test my compiling before I try it on the n900?21:59
charThe packages on don't exceed 50MB22:01
charI don't understand22:01
charDocScrutinizer05: I'm downloading the file you linked22:02
KotCzarnyhave you e ver used virtualbox or vmware?22:03
DocScrutinizer05char: it's a VM for virtualbox/xen/whatever22:03
KotCzarnythen you know what vm image is22:03
KotCzarnyjust boot it22:03
KotCzarnyit has linux+sb+sdk preinstalled22:03
charoh I see22:04
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Sicelofreemangordon: lol .. i thought that version is/was default for thumb/testing?22:45
Sicelobut yes, gmail works for my N90022:45
Sicelochar: which xmpp did you have in mind? irssi had an xmpp plugin last i checked, and we have the latest irssi on N900 already22:47
charSicelo: anything that could replace Pidgin.. MCabber and Profanity should both be programmed in C, while Poezio is good but coded in Python and it looked less likely to be ported22:52
chardoes irssi enable OTR encryption?22:52
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Sicelonot sure .. you could check ;)22:54
Sicelowe also have relatively good python support (2.5 & 2.7 at least)22:55
char would this work on Maemo?22:55
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charPoezio requires Python 3.4 for compiling, but they mention "Pyenv" that could help you install it22:56
Sicelo(not saying anything's wrong with doing it your own way .. but what's wrong with pidgin?)22:58
charI really need a XMPP client on my phone, so I think I will commit to this goal. Would you like being kept on the loop Sicelo?22:59
Siceloyes :)22:59
charPidgin is good, but it's getting old and compiling new versions (and new OTR plugins) seem harder or less likely than a console client23:00
charless likely to succeed*23:01
charwhen I have the SB + SDK I will try anything I can23:01
charby the way, these console clients are really good, I even prefer them to Pidgin from time to time23:03
Siceloof course. /me IRC's from irssi even on N90023:03
charwell, I'm glad I found out about irssi on Maemo. I fear compiling its OTR plugin won't be easy but I could try23:05
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charMCabber, Profanity, Poezio, Irssi.. I'll get busy soon23:06
Siceloprofanity site doesn't exactly say what the dependencies are23:13
charguess what? I found mcabber 0.9.10-1maemo6 in my application manager. It must be Christmas23:13
charbut I can't install it because it's missing "gcc-4.2base23:14
Siceloyes, we have that23:14
Siceloum .. gcc-4.2-base is in SDK repo23:15
Sicelodunno if that version of mcabber has OTR23:15
charprobably not23:17
chara lot of software I can't install due to this gcc-4.2-base23:17
Sicelotry it and see. maybe you can update it ;)23:17
Siceloprofanity seems easy too23:18
charI'm looking for the SDK repository23:18
Sicelobe careful of that repo however .. best to disable it after you've installed that gcc you need.23:18
Siceloit's at the same level as -devel ... mistakes could lead to reflash23:19
charI see.. I'd better try on a virtual machine first23:20
bencohyou can bootstrap a maemo scratchbox/sdk from a vanilla debian and proper repositories if you want23:23
bencohthere is a wiki page about that23:23
charI installed gcc-4.2-base from a .deb file, will see. bencoh, unfortunately I don't understand what that means23:25
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freemangordonchar: in short: you can install maemo SDK on debian based distro, without going the VM route23:28
freemangordonhmm, she23:29
freemangordon's dead23:29
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ^^^23:29
DocScrutinizer05ooh we had a netsplit23:29
charfreemangordon: thanks, okay..23:30
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freemangordonchar: also, if you need newer gcc, see:23:30
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DocScrutinizer05dang, 90s23:31
infobot[cssu-thumb] <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or, or
freemangordonchar: that ^^^ one23:32
DocScrutinizer05I suggested ~sb multiple times already23:33
DocScrutinizer05however "the VM route" seems way more convenient23:34
charDocScrutinizer05: I'm still downloading the virtual machine to follow your suggestion23:35
charfreemangordon: I'm enabling CSSU23:35
infoboti heard cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)23:36
freemangordonchar: good, but make sure to read the wiki and understand what is what (-stable, -testing, -thumb, -devel)23:36
charI'll go with stable first23:36
charand will then enable thumb23:37
DocScrutinizer05in short, *-thumb is not recommended for beginners23:37
freemangordonchar: I'd recommend -testing first and then -thumb23:37
freemangordon-stable has not been updated for a while. Which reminds me...23:37
charokay, will skip stable23:37
DocScrutinizer05"testing is the new stable" - as always ;-P23:37
freemangordonmerlin1991: ping23:37
DocScrutinizer05seen this in OM, SHR, Freetz, and CSSU23:38
DocScrutinizer05stable eventually bitrots beyond fubar23:38
chargcc-4.2base prevents me from enabling CSSU23:39
DocScrutinizer05errn wut?23:39
Sicelo22:15 < Sicelo> um .. gcc-4.2-base is in SDK repo23:39
freemangordonchar: why is that package needed? for compiling on-device?23:39
DocScrutinizer05please follow the instructions on ~cssu, verbatim23:40
charfreemangordon: I think so23:40
DocScrutinizer05I already explained compiling on device is a very poor idea for everybody except leete hackers23:40
charDocScrutinizer05: I'm not ignoring that23:41
freemangordonchar: you don;t really want to do that (compile on-device)23:41
charI get this error from the application manager, the GUI23:41
freemangordonchar: well, remove that package then and install cssu-testing. I assume your device is freshly-flashed23:41
DocScrutinizer05you got, like, ~100MB "free" RAM for the compiler23:41
freemangordonthat much?23:42
freemangordonI doubt :)23:42
DocScrutinizer05I'm optimistic23:42
charfreemangordon: not freshly-flashed.. but I will remove it23:42
charit is still proving missing by the way23:42
freemangordonchar: but you flashed it after you bought it, right?23:42
DocScrutinizer05don't forget a df -h23:42
charfreemangordon: yes, last year or so23:42
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: iirc HAM checks for the available disk space before upgrading23:43
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and that's pretty fubar too ;-)23:43
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freemangordonare you sure? did you look at the code?23:44
DocScrutinizer05until you got the CSSU fixes to that23:44
Sicelochar: i had thought you meant gcc-base was needed for mcabber. have just checked dependencies list, and that's not the case. just to clear any unintended confusion, i am also discouraging you from on-device compiling :)23:44
freemangordonSicelo: so, you have cssu-devel enabled on your device without even knowing?23:44
freemangordonthat's even worse than on-device compiling :p23:45
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: yes, I'm sure it had a friggin bug in calculating needed vs free space23:45
freemangordonhmm, ok23:45
charapt-get remove gcc-4.2base -> couldn't find package gcc-4.2base23:45
freemangordonchar: dpkg -l | grep gcc23:45
freemangordonto find the package name23:45
DocScrutinizer05resulting in "please use PC-suite"23:45
Sicelofreemangordon: i do :p23:45
DocScrutinizer05a) purge23:46
chargcc-4.2, gcc-4.2-base, libgcc123:46
Siceloit's just been a while, so i thought this openssl had come with thumb ...23:46
charI do have it, it's just a dash sign that makes them look different23:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure that stuff will cleanly uninstall23:47
freemangordonchar: well,...23:47
DocScrutinizer05after all it's probably hardly ever been tested23:47
charI know what to uninstall, but it will still say it's missing when I try to install something. Right?23:48
DocScrutinizer05sorry folks, afk23:48
freemangordonchar: you need gcc to compile, you you remove it, you won;t be able to, but HAM won;t complain as I am not aware of any package in maemo that has dependency to gcc23:49
freemangordons/you you/if you23:49
charfreemangordon: HAM is complaining about it though23:49
freemangordon(23,39,30) char: gcc-4.2base prevents me from enabling CSSU23:50
charit's a HAM operation23:50
freemangordonwhich means that it will stop complaining once you remove it23:50
charno it says it can't find it23:50
freemangordonyou can;t uninstall that from HAM23:50
charit says you it needs that to install stuff, like the CSSU enabler23:51
charand it can't find it so it won't resume the installation process23:51
freemangordonyou need to "apt-get remove gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base" iiuc23:51
charI'm doing it already23:52
charbut it doesn't remove them either :\23:52
freemangordonany error message?23:52
charunmet dependencies23:52
Sicelodpkg -l | grep gcc* ?23:52
freemangordonchar: pastebin please23:53
Sicelofreemangordon: seems mp-fremantle-generic-pr has dependency to gcc-4.2-base23:54
charsure, let me upload it23:54
freemangordonSicelo: really?23:54
Sicelocheck it23:54
freemangordonwell, then only gcc-4.2 needs a removal imo23:55
freemangordonchar: and what is the result of "apt-get remove gcc-4.2"?23:57
charin a second23:57

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