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| sunshavi | KotCzarny: I am checking aliexpress. And I have a question | 04:23 |
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| openbot | not able to acces maemo talk wiki lately | 16:58 |
| openbot | very annoying blacklist | 16:58 |
| openbot | spammers should be hanged | 16:58 |
| openbot | request to moderateors pls fix this | 16:59 |
| * Sicelo prepares to tie a noose over openbot's head | 16:59 | |
| openbot | why ? | 17:00 |
| openbot | i did not do anything | 17:00 |
| Sicelo | you're in a blacklist, so you did a lot! | 17:01 |
| openbot | lol | 17:01 |
| openbot | blacklist is awsome | 17:01 |
| openbot | red redington | 17:01 |
| openbot | wrong spell | 17:01 |
| Sicelo | :D | 17:02 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe we shall create simple t.m.o proxy that would be read only | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder what bandwidth it would eat | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | (/me has unused 30/30) | 17:06 |
| Sicelo | ceene: am sure you read this, https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/ | 17:09 |
| Sicelo | crazy | 17:09 |
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| KotCzarny | pah. irc. | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | being innovative is one thing, banning users for worng user agent is the whole new circle of hell | 17:13 |
| openbot | the earth is gonna spin on the wrong axis soon too | 17:13 |
| Sicelo | they defend it by saying you'll compromise the security of the network | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | riiiight. | 17:17 |
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| Sicelo | not saying i agree or | 17:33 |
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| ceene | Sicelo: thanks, i'll read that later | 17:49 |
| ceene | i'm quite busy today at work :( | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | blacklists at tmo finally need a decent fixing, for good! | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's insane to try to keep up the internet by basically shutting it down | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's like fsck for virginity or suicide in fear of death | 18:33 |
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| openbot | humm | 18:52 |
| openbot | i hope its done soon | 18:52 |
| openbot | as it acts as a good deterrant against using tmo | 18:53 |
| openbot | i mean if one is using random computers to acess tmo | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we've seen the biweekly weekend downtime at tmo, a 5 years ago, and it was almost good and normal and everybody knew to cope with it. Now no more weekend downtimes from dunno DDoS or whatever, but instead an unknown but rather significant percentage of users simply get kicked off by blacklists. I know I prefer the old behavior | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have a very hard time explaining privacy aware customers/users who use tor as suggested by all major FOSS-internet-best-practice-entities why they can't even *READ* tmo >:-( | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly I don't see council having any better rationale to give, than I do: none | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when blacklisting turns into global nuklear extinction, it's prolly time to comletely drop it and rather go to graylisting or even whitelisting instead | 19:03 |
| openbot | how to cope with this problem | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you, as a user? no way | 19:04 |
| openbot | what do you mean ? | 19:05 |
| openbot | how do i acess | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean this problem can only get fixed by admins and sysops | 19:05 |
| openbot | my brain demands maemo updates | 19:05 |
| openbot | tor not working nither proxies | 19:06 |
| openbot | one thing i have yet to try is vpn | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly. since those are exactly the IPs listed on blacklists | 19:06 |
| openbot | can you give me some pointers to start with vpn | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 19:06 |
| openbot | i am extremely new | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wish I could | 19:07 |
| kerio | just put cloudflare in front of it | 19:07 |
| kerio | OH WAIT they block tor by default | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try plain IP as you received from your interbnet provider, odds are this still works best with tmo | 19:07 |
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| openbot | cloudflare for sure will eat the internet | 19:07 |
| openbot | its everywhere | 19:08 |
| openbot | n900 cries everytime it has to deal with | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: can you explain to me how anybody could exploit TOR with its shitty bandwidth to run a DDoS? | 19:08 |
| kerio | their rationale is "TOR is 99.9% attacks" | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 19:08 |
| kerio | ...and to be fair, i believe them | 19:08 |
| kerio | so they default on requiring some pretty angsty captcha for tor users | 19:09 |
| kerio | and if you don't have javascript enabled, you get captchas on like every 3 pages or something like that | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, for READING??? | 19:09 |
| kerio | for accessing a site | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FSCK! FIX DAT SHITE! | 19:09 |
| kerio | so it's up to the site owner to disable that | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can see the rationale why users might face a "you can't log in to tmo, sorry" but DEFINITELY NOT for "you cannot READ tmo" | 19:11 |
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| nokiabot | windows rebooted without a warning donknow what for | 19:14 |
| nokiabot | i hate this | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, we dodged a half a legion CDS-servers trying to sync to maemo.org when maemo.org was some flimsy VM on Nemein's infra. We dang sure should shrug away any "DDoS" to tmo now that we have a decens iron on a fat backbone | 19:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 frowns | 19:15 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: or just shove cloudflare in front of it | 19:16 |
| nokiabot | forget it cloud flare is everywhere even in my bathroom | 19:16 |
| kerio | (maybe while disabling the tor blocking) | 19:16 |
| kerio | and just literally shrug away the DDoSes | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why mess with shit like cloudflare? | 19:16 |
| kerio | who the fuck would DDoS tmo anyway | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly | 19:16 |
| kerio | it's got like 3 active users | 19:16 |
| Sicelo | microsoft :p | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even when they do, so what? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they eventually will stop again | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see above comparison between times where we had no blacklists vs now. The relative availability of services was way bteer bacj when | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better back when* | 19:18 |
| nokiabot | best solution is nuke n900 get a alternativee that can give you the orgasm but i have yet to find any | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 19:18 |
| nokiabot | best solution is nuke n900 get a alternative that can give you the same orgasm but i have yet to find any | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokiabot: please stop spreading nonsense, that's not related at all to availability of maemo.org website | 19:19 |
| nokiabot | correction | 19:19 |
| nokiabot | one hand typing is difficult | 19:19 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: no nonsence spreading i am just trying to find something like n900 and that needs to be a 90% clone | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how the heck is this relevant for talk.maemo.org blacklisting? | 19:21 |
| nokiabot | for gods shake i bought 4 n900s | 19:21 |
| nokiabot | no n900s no tmo :) | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gaaawwwd shut up please | 19:22 |
| nokiabot | so i would not need visit tmo again | 19:22 |
| nokiabot | he he | 19:22 |
| nokiabot | for now any idea how to visit tmo | 19:24 |
| nokiabot | also i am not using proxies or anything | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, do listen budy, I told you already | 19:24 |
| nokiabot | yes i did that if you mean the ip provided by my operator | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-11 Wed 18:07:39] <DocScrutinizer05> try plain IP as you received from your interbnet provider, odds are this still works best with tmo | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if this doesn't work, pester chem|st | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo admin | 19:26 |
| nokiabot | or if you know anything else configuring a windows 7 com it could work | 19:26 |
| nokiabot | chem|st: hi i am (ip)blacklisted on tmo i need help to acess tmo | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or ask warfare to put the whole friggin tmo VM behind a http proxy | 19:28 |
| nokiabot | haha | 19:28 |
| kerio | like cloudflare! :3 | 19:28 |
| nokiabot | what is the most efficent way of compiling java programs on n900 | 19:29 |
| nokiabot | or more can i actually run a java program with a gui on n900 | 19:30 |
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| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: i bet uou know how use remote computing on n900 like ssh vnc etc but what i want to know is how do you reliably do it i mean the configurations on the remote side as how to deal with disconnetions like server gone offline it rebooted etc | 19:37 |
| nokiabot | also i am using fedora as a server as i am not quite useful on a terminal interface only server | 19:38 |
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| nokiabot | chem|st: hi i am (ip)blacklisted on tmo i need help to acess tmo (reposting for better visiblity) | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nokiabot: tbh I don't worry much so far, I'm using ZNC to buffer away the reconnects from public IRC. Apart from that I have rarely any persistent connections that I want to stay up. Nevertheless I looked into a few VPN solutions to my server but never really managed to finalize any, mostly because of innertia and lack of time to set them up when I *really* could use them | 19:44 |
| nokiabot | oh | 19:44 |
| nokiabot | kind of chiken and egg problem | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 19:45 |
| nokiabot | my problem is i know of remote as simple tv remote one uses it hasssele free | 19:46 |
| nokiabot | but remote over the internet is whole diffrent deal | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | for the above, setting openvpn takes ~10-20 minutes | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | no explanation other than lazy | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | unless you generate big dh size on slow machine. which can take ~8h (did it on my banana pi) | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | 4096 bits | 19:48 |
| nokiabot | KotCzarny: is it ment for me | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 19:49 |
| nokiabot | ok | 19:49 |
| nokiabot | KotCzarny: can you suggest some decent vpn providers | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | nope, im just using my home connection (30/30mbit with static ip) | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | easy to make some order between all my devices | 19:50 |
| nokiabot | KotCzarny: mbit = megabytes ? | 19:50 |
| NIN101 | ssh can also be used for VPN and shouldn't take long to setup, but TCP over TCP has its drawbacks of course. | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | nin101: openvpn has one nice feature, autoreconnect | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | and im using udp, works fine enough | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | nokiabot: 30mbit/s == ~3.5MB/s | 19:51 |
| nokiabot | KotCzarny: thats very bad speed indeed | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 19:52 |
| nokiabot | proud to say mine is better | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | im not torrentfreak | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | 30mbit is more than enough | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | especially for uplink | 19:53 |
| nokiabot | for the first time somebody on the internet has worse internet than mine | 19:53 |
| nokiabot | KotCzarny: humm i am torrenting a lil but i guess its just the craze that is wearing off | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | once you run out of disk space/time you will see its pointless | 19:54 |
| nokiabot | i reacher speeeds of 45 mbps and i wasent breathing the coffe burnt my tounge actually | 19:55 |
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| nokiabot | KotCzarny: whats your down and up speeds | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | 30/30 | 20:00 |
| nokiabot | what ? | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | 30mbit down + 30mbit up, symmetrical link | 20:00 |
| nokiabot | do you get that for real | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 20:01 |
| nokiabot | humm | 20:01 |
| nokiabot | thats good | 20:01 |
| nokiabot | ok then my torrenting speed is better :( | 20:02 |
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| kerio | KotCzarny: openvpn still doesn't do ecdh? :| | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | oh well | 21:16 |
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| kerio | NIN101: ssh with the whole tap/tun thing is maybe kinda bad | 21:17 |
| kerio | but ssh in socks proxy mode is data over tcp, not tcp over tcp | 21:17 |
| NIN101 | yes | 21:26 |
| kerio | but, i mean | 21:27 |
| kerio | you're basically only ever guaranteed https | 21:27 |
| kerio | and nothing else | 21:27 |
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| chem|st | ~unbanip | 21:31 |
| infobot | it has been said that unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal | 21:31 |
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