IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2016-05-11

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sunshaviKotCzarny: I am checking aliexpress. And I have a question04:23
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KotCzarnysunshavi: hmm?07:54
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openbotnot able to acces maemo talk wiki lately16:58
openbotvery annoying blacklist16:58
openbotspammers should be hanged16:58
openbotrequest to moderateors pls fix this16:59
* Sicelo prepares to tie a noose over openbot's head16:59
openbotwhy ?17:00
openboti did not do anything17:00
Siceloyou're in a blacklist, so you did a lot!17:01
openbotblacklist is awsome17:01
openbotred redington17:01
openbotwrong spell17:01
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KotCzarnymaybe we shall create simple t.m.o proxy that would be read only17:05
KotCzarnyi wonder what bandwidth it would eat17:05
KotCzarny(/me has unused 30/30)17:06
Siceloceene: am sure you read this,
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KotCzarnypah. irc.17:11
KotCzarnybeing innovative is one thing, banning users for worng user agent is the whole new circle of hell17:13
openbotthe earth is gonna spin on the wrong axis soon too17:13
Sicelothey defend it by saying you'll compromise the security of the network17:16
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Sicelonot saying i agree or17:33
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ceeneSicelo: thanks, i'll read that later17:49
ceenei'm quite busy today at work :(17:49
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DocScrutinizer05blacklists at tmo finally need a decent fixing, for good!18:32
DocScrutinizer05it's insane to try to keep up the internet by basically shutting it down18:32
DocScrutinizer05that's like fsck for virginity or suicide in fear of death18:33
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openboti hope its done soon18:52
openbotas it acts as a good deterrant against using tmo18:53
openboti mean if one is using random computers to acess tmo18:53
DocScrutinizer05we've seen the biweekly weekend downtime at tmo, a 5 years ago, and it was almost good and normal and everybody knew to cope with it. Now no more weekend downtimes from dunno DDoS or whatever, but instead an unknown but rather significant percentage of users simply get kicked off by blacklists. I know I prefer the old behavior18:56
DocScrutinizer05I have a very hard time explaining privacy aware customers/users who use tor as suggested by all major FOSS-internet-best-practice-entities why they can't even *READ* tmo >:-(19:00
DocScrutinizer05and honestly I don't see council having any better rationale to give, than I do: none19:01
DocScrutinizer05when blacklisting turns into global nuklear extinction, it's prolly time to comletely drop it and rather go to graylisting or even whitelisting instead19:03
openbothow to cope with this problem19:04
DocScrutinizer05you, as a user? no way19:04
openbotwhat do you mean ?19:05
openbothow do i acess19:05
DocScrutinizer05I mean this problem can only get fixed by admins and sysops19:05
openbotmy brain demands maemo updates19:05
openbottor not working nither proxies19:06
openbotone thing i have yet to try is vpn19:06
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly. since those are exactly the IPs listed on blacklists19:06
openbotcan you give me some pointers to start with vpn19:06
openboti am extremely new19:07
DocScrutinizer05I wish I could19:07
keriojust put cloudflare in front of it19:07
kerioOH WAIT they block tor by default19:07
DocScrutinizer05try plain IP as you received from your interbnet provider, odds are this still works best with tmo19:07
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openbotcloudflare for sure will eat the internet19:07
openbotits everywhere19:08
openbotn900 cries everytime it has to deal with19:08
DocScrutinizer05kerio: can you explain to me how anybody could exploit TOR with its shitty bandwidth to run a DDoS?19:08
keriotheir rationale is "TOR is 99.9% attacks"19:08
DocScrutinizer05so what?19:08
kerio...and to be fair, i believe them19:08
kerioso they default on requiring some pretty angsty captcha for tor users19:09
kerioand if you don't have javascript enabled, you get captchas on like every 3 pages or something like that19:09
DocScrutinizer05err, for READING???19:09
keriofor accessing a site19:09
DocScrutinizer05FSCK! FIX DAT SHITE!19:09
kerioso it's up to the site owner to disable that19:09
DocScrutinizer05I can see the rationale why users might face a "you can't log in to tmo, sorry" but DEFINITELY NOT for "you cannot READ tmo"19:11
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nokiabotwindows rebooted without a warning donknow what for19:14
nokiaboti hate this19:14
DocScrutinizer05heck, we dodged a half a legion CDS-servers trying to sync to when was some flimsy VM on Nemein's infra. We dang sure should shrug away any "DDoS" to tmo now that we have a decens iron on a fat backbone19:14
* DocScrutinizer05 frowns19:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: or just shove cloudflare in front of it19:16
nokiabotforget it cloud flare is everywhere even in my bathroom19:16
kerio(maybe while disabling the tor blocking)19:16
kerioand just literally shrug away the DDoSes19:16
DocScrutinizer05why mess with shit like cloudflare?19:16
keriowho the fuck would DDoS tmo anyway19:16
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly19:16
kerioit's got like 3 active users19:16
Sicelomicrosoft :p19:16
DocScrutinizer05and even when they do, so what?19:16
DocScrutinizer05they eventually will stop again19:17
DocScrutinizer05see above comparison between times where we had no blacklists vs now. The relative availability of services was way bteer bacj when19:17
DocScrutinizer05better back when*19:18
nokiabotbest solution is nuke n900 get a alternativee that can give you the orgasm but i have yet to find any19:18
nokiabotbest solution is nuke n900 get a alternative that can give you the same orgasm but i have yet to find any19:19
DocScrutinizer05nokiabot: please stop spreading nonsense, that's not related at all to availability of website19:19
nokiabotone hand typing is difficult19:19
nokiabotDocScrutinizer05: no nonsence spreading i am just trying to find something like n900 and that needs to be a 90% clone19:20
DocScrutinizer05how the heck is this relevant for blacklisting?19:21
nokiabotfor gods shake i bought 4 n900s19:21
nokiabotno n900s no tmo :)19:22
DocScrutinizer05gaaawwwd shut up please19:22
nokiabotso i would not need visit tmo again19:22
nokiabothe he19:22
nokiabotfor now any idea how to visit tmo19:24
nokiabotalso i am not using proxies or anything19:24
DocScrutinizer05yes, do listen budy, I told you already19:24
nokiabotyes i did that if you mean the ip provided by my operator19:25
DocScrutinizer05[2016-05-11 Wed 18:07:39] <DocScrutinizer05> try plain IP as you received from your interbnet provider, odds are this still works best with tmo19:25
DocScrutinizer05if this doesn't work, pester chem|st19:26
DocScrutinizer05tmo admin19:26
nokiabotor if you know anything else configuring a windows 7 com it could work19:26
nokiabotchem|st: hi i am (ip)blacklisted on tmo i need help to acess tmo19:27
DocScrutinizer05or ask warfare to put the whole friggin tmo VM behind a http proxy19:28
keriolike cloudflare! :319:28
nokiabotwhat is the most efficent way of compiling java programs on n90019:29
nokiabotor more can i actually run a java program with a gui on n90019:30
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nokiabotDocScrutinizer05: i bet uou know how use remote computing on n900 like ssh vnc etc but what i want to know is how do you reliably do it i mean the configurations on the remote side as how to deal with disconnetions like server gone offline it rebooted etc19:37
nokiabotalso i am using fedora as a server as i am not quite useful on a terminal interface only server19:38
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nokiabotchem|st: hi i am (ip)blacklisted on tmo i need help to acess tmo (reposting for better visiblity)19:42
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DocScrutinizer05nokiabot: tbh I don't worry much so far, I'm using ZNC to buffer away the reconnects from public IRC. Apart from that I have rarely any persistent connections that I want to stay up. Nevertheless I looked into a few VPN solutions to my server but never really managed to finalize any, mostly because of innertia and lack of time to set them up when I *really* could use them19:44
nokiabotkind of chiken and egg problem19:45
nokiabotmy problem is i know of remote as simple tv remote one uses it hasssele free19:46
nokiabotbut remote over the internet is whole diffrent deal19:46
KotCzarnyfor the above, setting openvpn takes ~10-20 minutes19:47
KotCzarnyno explanation other than lazy19:47
KotCzarnyunless you generate big dh size on slow machine. which can take ~8h (did it on my banana pi)19:48
KotCzarny4096 bits19:48
nokiabotKotCzarny: is it ment for me19:49
nokiabotKotCzarny: can you suggest some decent vpn providers19:49
KotCzarnynope, im just using my home connection (30/30mbit with static ip)19:50
KotCzarnyeasy to make some order between all my devices19:50
nokiabotKotCzarny: mbit = megabytes ?19:50
NIN101ssh can also be used for VPN and shouldn't take long to setup, but TCP over TCP has its drawbacks of course.19:50
KotCzarnynin101: openvpn has one nice feature, autoreconnect19:51
KotCzarnyand im using udp, works fine enough19:51
KotCzarnynokiabot: 30mbit/s == ~3.5MB/s19:51
nokiabotKotCzarny: thats very bad speed indeed19:52
nokiabotproud to say mine is better19:52
KotCzarnyim not torrentfreak19:52
KotCzarny30mbit is more than enough19:52
KotCzarnyespecially for uplink19:53
nokiabotfor the first time somebody on the internet has worse internet than mine19:53
nokiabotKotCzarny: humm i am torrenting a lil but i guess its just the craze that is wearing off19:54
KotCzarnyonce you run out of disk space/time you will see its pointless19:54
nokiaboti reacher speeeds of 45 mbps and i wasent breathing the coffe burnt my tounge actually19:55
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nokiabotKotCzarny: whats your down and up speeds19:59
nokiabotwhat ?20:00
KotCzarny30mbit down + 30mbit up, symmetrical link20:00
nokiabotdo you get that for real20:01
nokiabotthats good20:01
nokiabotok then my torrenting speed is better :(20:02
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kerioKotCzarny: openvpn still doesn't do ecdh? :|21:15
KotCzarnyoh well21:16
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kerioNIN101: ssh with the whole tap/tun thing is maybe kinda bad21:17
keriobut ssh in socks proxy mode is data over tcp, not tcp over tcp21:17
keriobut, i mean21:27
kerioyou're basically only ever guaranteed https21:27
kerioand nothing else21:27
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infobotit has been said that unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see
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