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| Oksana | Curious thing: https://git.maemo.org/git/?p=sandcastle;a=blob_plain;f=www/index.html;hb=HEAD | 09:54 |
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| KotCzarny | doesnt show as such in links | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | but in firefox it goes to firefox repositories | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | might be related to bad certificate on git.maemo.org (bad domain) | 10:03 |
| Oksana | Wrong site, yes. How to correct that? | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | update cert? | 10:04 |
| * Oksana poked techstaff on #maemo-meeting , like, 20min ago; should wait 24h at least for them to reply | 10:06 | |
| Oksana | Does Maemo 5 use somehow accelerometer's ability to detect clicks and double-clicks? For interaction with user when screen is blank, for whatever reason? | 10:08 |
| freemangordon | I doubt | 10:11 |
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| Oksana | When screen is blank, does accelerometer sleep (and ignore all the rotations and clicks), or does it (in spirit with multi-tasking) keep checking the ongoing happenings (and drain battery)? | 10:13 |
| freemangordon | IIRC by default it sleeps | 10:13 |
| freemangordon | but you'd better check mce | 10:13 |
| Oksana | 10000g high shock survivability of accelerometer is impressive by the way, but I think that other parts would break before 10g was reached | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (sleep) depends on what MCE or any other app is doing with accel | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the accel itself never sleeps afaik | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the question is if IRQs are enabled and trigger | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the accel like most other peripherals is event-driven (by IRQs it sends to CPU) | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only braindead upstream lis302 kernel driver does polling by default - unless that changed since I last checked | 10:20 |
| Oksana | Ookay... Mce was reverse-engineered recently, correct?.. Would be nice to have a look at it... What is IRQ?.. Hypothetically, accelerometer's click and double-click functionality could be tuned, to change "expected amplitude and timing of the stimuli"... | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes / / IRQ = a signal on a single line sent from the IRQ generating device to a CPU that awakens from sleep when detecting the signal / yes | 10:22 |
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| Oksana | Interrupt request, got it... | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IRQs (hw interrupts) are the most important 'tool' for designing embedded | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike a PC, an embedded (battery operated) platform must run event-driven exclusively | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't afford to keep everything running busy in idle loops all the time | 10:24 |
| Oksana | >> only braindead upstream lis302 kernel driver does polling by default << What does it mean? Is it not event-driven? | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the lis302 has 2 IRQ lines of which only one is actually used in maemo software. And it has sophisticated filters to define which physical acceleration event shall assert the IRQ-line | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (upstream) last time I checked, the driver polled the lis302 a 50 times per second | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd do that for an USB-attached joystick maybe | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *never* for embedded | 10:27 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: we''l fix that when it comes to it | 10:29 |
| Oksana | Is maemo driver different from upstream /aka not polling/ , or different? And it's said to be "accelerometer sensor found in several HP laptops" so they might be considering it not-embedded http://lwn.net/Articles/304326/ | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | es, driver is different | 10:29 |
| freemangordon | doesn't matter | 10:29 |
| freemangordon | Oksana: ^^^ | 10:29 |
| freemangordon | you should never poll if you have IRQ line to use | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the maemo driver is not perfect, it does some hardcoded filter setting which rather should get exposed to /sys/ to do it as you like, but generally the maemo driver is much cleaner and smarter than what I last seen upstream | 10:31 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes, but lets first have working what is not, then we'll tweak whatever is needed | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 10:32 |
| * freemangordon wonders why nobody wants to join kernel development :( | 10:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prolly even want to fix the lis302 driver myself, if I find the time | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: time and skills mostly | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 10:33 |
| freemangordon | esp in the light of the recent achievements | 10:33 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: skills? | 10:33 |
| freemangordon | you need C coding skills, thats it | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, also new knowledge, different from app coding | 10:34 |
| freemangordon | it is not | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | also, one has to know what needs to be coded | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | ie. all that kernel internal infra | 10:34 |
| freemangordon | unless your coding style is of a .net developer :) | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:34 |
| freemangordon | no, really it is not that hard, actually in most of the parts it is well thought and documented | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | then there is time | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | I know | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | most people with free time are in schools, and they are droid/apple only | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | rarely you can find someone with rich wife and n900 ;) | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | :) | 10:37 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: well, I think it is a some kind of a barrier, at least for the guys on the channel | 10:38 |
| Oksana | Where is source code of maemo's lis302dl driver, then? I do not even know the package, I see the files in /sys/module/lis302dl/ , but dpkg does not recognise the package? | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | for me to code it requires few days of total uninterrupted silence, and it collides with personal life :/ | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | "OMG, see pali and fmg, they are so good, who am I to think I can be as good as them", or somesuch. Might be wrong OFC | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | Oksana: it is part of the kernel | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: try preparing some trivial coding case for the brave | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: define "trivial code case"? | 10:40 |
| Oksana | kerrnel... Not a pleasant experience, user-side. "Custom kernel settings not loaded", or something, at some of start-ups | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | something that needs to be done, but only requires few tens/hundreds lines of code | 10:40 |
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| Oksana | Yes, some small and 'simple' bugs and-or feature requests? | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 10:41 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: lis302dl driver might be a good example. You have good code in stock kernel and not-so-good in upstream. It needs porting of the good parts from stock to upstream | 10:41 |
| Oksana | What's the official source-code of stock and upstream? /me likes github, simply because of having an account on it already, but would accept just about any web-gui, as long as it does not require installation of git on-computer/ | 10:43 |
| freemangordon | kernel.org | 10:43 |
| freemangordon | is upstream | 10:43 |
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| freemangordon | ~elinux-n900 | 10:43 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys elinux | 10:43 |
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| infobot | Factoid search of 'elinux' by key (10): pxelinux ;; cafelinux ;; selinux ;; elinuxchanges ;; corelinux++ ;; #elinux logs ;; skolelinux ;; elinux ;; .say #elinux this #DEL# ;; #elinux kergoth. | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys n900 | 10:44 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'n900' by key (11): n900ponie ;; n900 #DEL# ;; meego-n900 ;; n900-kbd-mapping ;; n900pinkponies ;; on n900 #DEL# ;; optimizen900 ;; n900-full-reset ;; n900 ;; arch-n900 ;; n900-power. | 10:44 |
| freemangordon | Oksana: http://elinux.org/N900 | 10:44 |
| Oksana | Is Kernel Power the only way to get IPv6 on N900? https://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power Because IPv6 sounds neat, but messing with kernel(s) sounds dangerous | 10:44 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not, actually KP is more stable than stock | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | oksana: you can compile modules for stock too | 10:44 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | and most likely you can force install those from powerkernel too | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | but kernel power is one of the few packages with 'power' in the name that are recommended over stock | 10:45 |
| bencoh | but I still don't see any reason not to use KP | 10:45 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 10:46 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: oh and, kernel dev usually means a 2nd device | 10:47 |
| freemangordon | no | 10:48 |
| freemangordon | you can always boot through the flasher | 10:48 |
| Oksana | Stock? https://github.com/pali/linux-n900/tree/v4.6-rc1-n900/drivers/misc/lis3lv02d Upstream: mainline, stable, or linux-next? | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, not if n900 is the MAIN phone ;) | 10:48 |
| freemangordon | it is convenient, but not a must | 10:48 |
| bencoh | sure but you don't really want to do that for your daily device | 10:48 |
| bencoh | it'd be like turning your phone off and not receiving any calls | 10:48 |
| freemangordon | well, you can always buy a second hand for some 30 euros, or request a donation from the community | 10:49 |
| * Oksana thinks that in scenario of porting from stock to upstream N900 should not be in danger... It's joysticks which will be in danger ;-) | 10:49 | |
| KotCzarny | and there is always slight chance of b0rking fs ;) | 10:49 |
| * KotCzarny has 3.5 of n900s | 10:49 | |
| freemangordon | yes, but you can always reflash | 10:50 |
| freemangordon | and the chances are not so slim :D | 10:50 |
| bencoh | :)) | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, having second device helps immensely | 10:50 |
| bencoh | see? 2nd device .) | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | even for testing stock vs testing | 10:50 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap.git/tag/?h=omap-for-v4.4/onenand-corruption :D | 10:51 |
| freemangordon | and that was not enough, I had to make a follow-up patch | 10:51 |
| freemangordon | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap.git/commit/?h=omap-for-v4.5/fixes-rc5&id=3f315c5b850fa7aff73f50de8e316b98f611a32b | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | how about hardcoding those values? there arent any n900 variants | 10:52 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: sure it is better to have second dev | 10:52 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: hmm? | 10:52 |
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| KotCzarny | those init values require setting some chip debug | 10:53 |
| Oksana | Okay, upstream: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/tree/drivers/misc/lis3lv02d?id=refs/tags/next-20160504 /do not forget to change date in URL accordingly with time/ | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | according to the description | 10:53 |
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| freemangordon | well, this is mainline kernel, you don;t know where it will be used | 10:53 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: it's the onenand driver | 10:53 |
| freemangordon | n900 is not the only device with omp3 inside | 10:53 |
| freemangordon | *omap3 | 10:53 |
| bencoh | not a n900 board driver | 10:53 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 10:53 |
| Oksana | Kconfig and Makefile look fairly the same... /just eye-check/ | 10:54 |
| * Oksana should run diff on the two directories, for easier reading | 10:54 | |
| KotCzarny | https://imagetragick.com/ | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((needs porting of the good parts from stock to upstream)) forget about it, we discussed that at epic length with upstream and the notion is "there's a working driver, we won't accept a new one" | 10:55 |
| freemangordon | naah, patches are always welcome | 10:55 |
| freemangordon | anyway, /me has to run | 10:56 |
| freemangordon | bbl | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep patches. but those would mean you need to patch out the complete old files and patch in the new ones. And then you get an API change | 10:56 |
| Oksana | A: what is API, does it have to be changed? B: Why is API change so tragic? C: Wouldn't it be possible to have two not-conflicting versions of driver (like libs: version 1 and version 2), for users to choose which one to use? | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | C got rejected | 10:58 |
| Oksana | Like, making code more efficient inside would not require change of API? But adding new skills (like click detection) has to change API? | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | A is Application Programming Interface, basically what you see in ls /sys /dev | 10:58 |
| * Oksana is going outdoors | 10:58 | |
| freemangordon | API change is rejected only if it breaks userspace | 10:59 |
| Oksana | Will read log tomorrow | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | B, see A | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | api is functions availabe to users/libs exported as public from the particular library | 11:00 |
| freemangordon | also, it is ok to introduce a change that implements some kind of a new behaviour, but by default the old one is effective and you "switch" to the new one somehow | 11:00 |
| freemangordon | anyway, /me is afk | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | adding new skills like click detection means you need interface to enable and to 'read' those skills, and that interface (API) must not conflict with the existing | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yep, that _could_ probably be done | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first and foremost upstream has a /dev/* and nokia has a /sys/* | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck, no fun | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: detecting api version and if'fing available functions in a program? | 11:03 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: noooo = | 11:03 |
| bencoh | it's always messy when you need to do that for kernel APIs | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | kind of 'this site should work without javascript, but has more bells with' | 11:03 |
| bencoh | forcing it at compile-time is always a disaster since it means having the exact linux headers | 11:04 |
| bencoh | so you have to do it at runtime | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (disclaimer: IIRC) | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, not #ifdef, just if(APIVER>=1.x) { function is available } else { noop } | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ancient OM http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/lis302dl.h;h=0c1fc3097312f9107ec3d574d2d3a1700444f17d;hb=andy-tracking http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/input/misc/lis302dl.c;h=d345bfb2718fba6c96c7a27d83b53c0a35c9d064;hb=andy-tracking | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle (alas stale): http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/include/linux/lis302dl.h http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/lis302dl.c | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | upstream: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/misc-devices/lis3lv02d (stale:) https://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel/blobs/master/drivers/hwmon/lis3lv02d.h | 11:09 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: re-read what I've said | 11:09 |
| bencoh | you'll see why it's a disaster | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | headers might be an issue, yes | 11:10 |
| bencoh | and you're doing it at runtime to avoid the header issue | 11:10 |
| bencoh | so basically you'll have a huge and ugly detection code | 11:11 |
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| KotCzarny | well, detection would be only about apiver, and i think many libs/apps do it this way | 11:12 |
| bencoh | they do, yes | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | and as i said, basic functionality should work regardless of the ver | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from torvalds kernel: >> rate - read reports the sampling rate of the accelerometer device in HZ. write changes sampling rate of the accelerometer device.<< sampling means polling | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> This driver also provides an absolute input class device, allowing the laptop to act as a pinball machine-esque joystick.<< | 11:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/misc-devices/lis3lv02d me pukes | 11:17 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how much devuan have you uploaded | 12:25 |
| kerio | hahahahah "how do i simulate freefall" | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >tfw you're probably the only one that wants the RGB led's that festoon the proto-prototype to be on the final build | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RX bytes:20094295576 (19163.4 Mb) TX bytes:66759818671 (63667.1 Mb) | 12:26 |
| kerio | Uploaded: 70.2 GB (Ratio: 6.60) | 12:27 |
| kerio | rekt | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ratio? well that's 0 or infinite | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and tbh I don't care anymore, they don't manage to add mirror to list | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in the end it's pointless anyway since all .iso do a netinstall | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe until BETA2 they fixed all that, incl URL for mirror | 12:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (lis302 driver) prolly you could even fix the upstream one when making rads from /dev/* block until IRQ triggers, and allow filer&IRQ config via /sys/* | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/rads/reads/ | 12:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: (lis302 driver) prolly you could even fix the upstream one when making reads from /dev/* block until IRQ triggers, and allow filer&IRQ config via /sys/* | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (upload/seed) there are like 160 seeders for 30 leechers | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~trackerstats | 12:45 |
| infobot | hmm... trackerstats is http://tracker.dyne.org:6969/stats?mode=peer | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | S/L/D: 134/28/0 | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't seed when nobody leeches | 12:47 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 16:26 |
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| ceene | Sicelo: you ready to get your number banned? | 16:50 |
| ceene | :) | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | :) | 16:51 |
| Sicelo | ceene: yes!! | 16:51 |
| Sicelo | :p | 16:51 |
| Sicelo | always | 16:51 |
| ceene | lol! | 16:51 |
| ceene | ok, so i'm gonna try and register with your number | 16:51 |
| ceene | and see if i can talk to anyone | 16:51 |
| ceene | or whatever | 16:51 |
| ceene | let's see if i've solved that segfault | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | well, not getting banned would be a success, ain't? | 16:52 |
| ceene | sure | 16:52 |
| ceene | i think banning will not happen now | 16:52 |
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| ceene | but well, it's better to prepare for the worst | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | ceene: how hard is to make emulation of the other side? | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | so to not get banned on every mistake you make | 16:52 |
| ceene | i think we won't get banned now, as most bans happen when re-registering with different user agents | 16:53 |
| ceene | that's i think what caused my last ban | 16:53 |
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| ceene | now i need to debug the encryption protocol | 16:53 |
| ceene | if i can't build a client... i can't build a server to emulate the client | 16:54 |
| ceene | that's for sure :/ | 16:54 |
| ceene | so, Sicelo , when you're ready i'll need your phone number and for you to pass me the code whatsapp sends you | 16:55 |
| ceene | that'll be better on a private conv, i guess :) | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | done :) | 16:56 |
| ceene | uhm | 16:57 |
| ceene | Reply: "{"status":"fail","reason":"no_routes","retry_after":3600,"sms_wait":3600,"voice_wait":3600} | 16:57 |
| ceene | i don't know what the hell that means | 16:57 |
| ceene | i think i may need mcc and mnc? | 16:58 |
| Sicelo | at least not banned. isn't that the wait because sms is not getting delivered | 16:58 |
| Sicelo | wait :) | 16:58 |
| Sicelo | iirc it takes 5 minutes for the sms to arrive | 16:58 |
| ceene | nop, but it's not gonna get sent | 16:59 |
| Sicelo | i've registered numbers without them being in my N900.. there a 5 minute wait | 16:59 |
| ceene | maybe i need to make mcc and mnc be 000 | 17:00 |
| ceene | instead of those of my company | 17:00 |
| Sicelo | what was mcc that it showed in log? | 17:00 |
| ceene | otherwise status is sucess sms_sent | 17:00 |
| ceene | it's using spanish mcc and mnc | 17:00 |
| ceene | 214, 003 | 17:00 |
| Sicelo | let me check mcc for vodacom sout africa .. likey 655 01 | 17:01 |
| ceene | 65501zaSouth Africa27Vodacom | 17:02 |
| ceene | yep | 17:02 |
| ceene | ok, trying again | 17:04 |
| ceene | uhm, nop, i did something wrong | 17:05 |
| Sicelo | banned? :op | 17:05 |
| Sicelo | lol | 17:05 |
| ceene | no, not yet :) | 17:06 |
| ceene | it keeps complaining | 17:08 |
| ceene | &sim_mcc=655&sim_mnc=001 | 17:08 |
| ceene | but mcc and mnc are now correct | 17:08 |
| ceene | Reply: "{"status":"fail","reason":"no_routes","retry_after":3600,"sms_wait":3600,"voice_wait":3600} | 17:08 |
| ceene | unless i need to wait those 3600 seconds before trying again | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I start to worry that at the time yappari works again, there won't be any accounts left over on whatsapp that are not banned yet | 17:11 |
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| ceene | well, i've made my best to keep people from using yappari | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems ou are still active thiugh ;-) | 17:12 |
| ceene | there are a couple who insisted on registering and re-registering from android to yappari back and forth and share their "discovery" on tmo | 17:12 |
| ceene | i assume they're all banned now | 17:12 |
| freemangordon | well, one can be unbanned, no? | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems ceene says no | 17:13 |
| ceene | in the worst case you get automatically unbanned after 60 days | 17:13 |
| freemangordon | not that bad | 17:13 |
| ceene | some people have managed to contact someone at whatsapp and cry a little about getting a new phone for christmas etc, etc, and have had success | 17:13 |
| Sicelo | let's wait those 6 minutes and see | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 17:14 |
| ceene | yep, at least until 16:20 | 17:14 |
| freemangordon | ok, but does that policy mean you can't transfer your sim to a new phone? | 17:14 |
| ceene | well, XX:20 in your countries :) | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check your math! | 17:14 |
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| ceene | freemangordon: you can... but if you do it frequently enough or in a pattern they deem as suspect you're banned | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: why 6 minutes? | 17:15 |
| freemangordon | oh, how nice | 17:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: (17,08,54) ceene: Reply: "{"status":"fail","reason":"no_routes","retry_after":3600,"sms_wait":3600,"voice_wait":3600} | 17:15 |
| ceene | oh | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? | 17:15 |
| ceene | 3600 is 60 minutes | 17:15 |
| Sicelo | because the sim is not in his N900 | 17:15 |
| Sicelo | wtf! that's bad | 17:15 |
| ceene | yep | 17:15 |
| ceene | i won't even be here in an hour | 17:15 |
| ceene | lol | 17:16 |
| freemangordon | ceene: wouldn't it be easier if you give Sicelo the .deb and help him try? | 17:16 |
| ceene | ok, doesn't matter | 17:16 |
| ceene | freemangordon: thing is, I'm mostly sure it won't work yet | 17:16 |
| Sicelo | ceene: maybe send me the new yappari .. then i can send you the .conf | 17:16 |
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| Sicelo | and not use it further | 17:16 |
| Sicelo | yes, what fmg is saying :) | 17:16 |
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| freemangordon | ceene: because you're now causing artificial problems :) | 17:16 |
| ceene | we'd still have to wait, though | 17:16 |
| freemangordon | sure, but I guess Sicelo has his phone with him ;) | 17:17 |
| ceene | now that i've hardcoded mcc and mnc it doesn't really matter | 17:17 |
| ceene | that's true | 17:17 |
| ceene | i worry about contacts, though | 17:17 |
| ceene | don't know what will happen if yappari syncs its contacts | 17:18 |
| freemangordon | ceene: you sure (doesn't matter)? that one too | 17:18 |
| ceene | and then it tries to use mine | 17:18 |
| freemangordon | ceene: wait, isn't that an opt=in? | 17:18 |
| ceene | what? | 17:18 |
| ceene | syncing? | 17:18 |
| freemangordon | *opti-in | 17:18 |
| freemangordon | yes | 17:18 |
| ceene | that's a good question | 17:18 |
| Sicelo | it is optional in previous yappari at least | 17:18 |
| ceene | you may get banned if you speak to someone who doesn't have you in their contact list | 17:18 |
| Sicelo | yep | 17:19 |
| ceene | let me see what happens when you select not to sync | 17:19 |
| freemangordon | wait, isn't that syncing code part of yappari? | 17:19 |
| ceene | freemangordon: yes, yes, i can disable it if needed | 17:19 |
| freemangordon | ah, ok | 17:19 |
| ceene | i just don't know what can happen if you make a new connection but don't try to sync anything at all | 17:19 |
| * freemangordon wonders who with his right mind would want to use service you get banned from for coughing in wrong time, for example :p | 17:21 | |
| ceene | those of us who live in countries where this piece of shit is the only thing anybody will use | 17:22 |
| Sicelo | i have a sim card from swaziland that was never on whatsapp, and i also no one knows it. i'll check if it hasn't expired yet .. if still active, i'll give you that one then | 17:22 |
| Sicelo | but it's at home ... will be there after 30 minutes | 17:22 |
| freemangordon | ceene: you're in spain, right? | 17:22 |
| ceene | of course, if you use the official client you won't get banned unless you are a spammer or keep changing phones | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your own fault, you didn't say no | 17:22 |
| ceene | freemangordon: yes | 17:22 |
| ceene | Sicelo: don't worry... i won't be here in an hour | 17:22 |
| ceene | DocScrutinizer05: who should i have said "no" to? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watsoup | 17:23 |
| ceene | i didn't even know whatsapp existed when it was all famous around here :) | 17:23 |
| freemangordon | ceene: hmm, last time I was there people looked pretty much normal | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and crap in general | 17:23 |
| freemangordon | so I guess they still know how to use normal phone calls | 17:24 |
| ceene | lol | 17:24 |
| ceene | of course you can communicate with people | 17:24 |
| ceene | but there's some psichological issues at work here | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see ;-P | 17:25 |
| ceene | if someone's dying, they'll call me for sure | 17:25 |
| ceene | i won't miss a funeral for not having whatsapp | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | :D | 17:25 |
| ceene | but i may miss something not so trascendental | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't miss a date for same rewason either | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | are you sure you're in Spain and not in GB? | 17:25 |
| ceene | completely, why? :) | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | the kind of the humor sound like English one :) | 17:26 |
| ceene | for example, a cousin of ahycka has is going to be a father now | 17:26 |
| ceene | of course all the cousins will know sooner or later | 17:26 |
| ceene | but all the gossip is through whatsapp | 17:26 |
| ceene | so you miss socializing | 17:26 |
| freemangordon | I see | 17:26 |
| ceene | not that anything important is discussed there | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, THEY miss socializing | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with you | 17:27 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 17:27 |
| ceene | well, if they're 20 and I'm only 1... | 17:27 |
| ceene | who's the one socially isolated? | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's the one smart guy that doesn't play sheep? | 17:27 |
| ceene | does it matter? | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all those suckers have flatrate plans anyway | 17:28 |
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| ceene | DocScrutinizer05: we couldn't have this very same conversation over the phone | 17:28 |
| freemangordon | deffinitely | 17:28 |
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| ceene | that's why irc, and group chatting was invented | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but still they rather use something that's completely for free than something they have to pay for anyway no matter if they use it or not | 17:29 |
| ceene | and we're only a handful of people talking | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | ceene: correct, but then you're not limited to whatsapp | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you're sure? | 17:29 |
| ceene | no, of course the service provider could be any other one | 17:29 |
| Sicelo | whatsapp completely free 'in terms of money' | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | is it? | 17:29 |
| Sicelo | yes | 17:29 |
| Sicelo | the yearly subscription was dropped last year | 17:30 |
| freemangordon | ah, I guess it was the other "great" service that was free only for an year - viber | 17:30 |
| freemangordon | ok | 17:30 |
| freemangordon | didn;t know that | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm pretty sure we coild have this convo over phone. we just do | 17:30 |
| ceene | DocScrutinizer05: no, we couldn't | 17:30 |
| Sicelo | it still sucks, lol, but as ceene is saying .. we need it because the 'rest' of the world just won't accept anything else | 17:31 |
| ceene | because as we're speaking i'm looking at yappari's code | 17:31 |
| ceene | and i'm also talking to other people through other means | 17:31 |
| ceene | and reading emails | 17:31 |
| freemangordon | ceene: correct, I got it | 17:31 |
| ceene | i couldn't do all those things while i have to listen to all your voices and speak mine | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well at least I am using my phone right now | 17:31 |
| ceene | asynchronous conversations are useful | 17:31 |
| freemangordon | but still, you can say - I am on #maemo, if you wish to send me a picture or video or whatever, you know my email | 17:32 |
| freemangordon | at least this is what I do | 17:32 |
| ceene | yeah, and i'll get some pictures at the email | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: that's BS, the rest of the world "doesn't accept" just because nobody demands them to do | 17:32 |
| ceene | no one would connect here because they don't even know what's irc | 17:32 |
| ceene | but still, i'll be missing a lot | 17:32 |
| ceene | i am, in fact | 17:32 |
| freemangordon | yeah, sure | 17:33 |
| ceene | it's not that i've suddenly disappeared out of the earth | 17:33 |
| ceene | people know how to reach me | 17:33 |
| freemangordon | ok, irc - but then there is gtalk, skype, etc, etc | 17:33 |
| ceene | but will they? | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and as I already said everybody and their dogs each have thweir own flatrate plan for minutes and text | 17:33 |
| freemangordon | not to say you can chat over SMSes | 17:33 |
| freemangordon | and MMSes | 17:34 |
| ceene | we don't have free sms here in spain | 17:34 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: we don't have such flat rate | 17:34 |
| ceene | but all of that is missing the part in which you can participate in a conversation with ten parties, not just one on one | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather set up a webchat on my own server than use friggin watsoup | 17:35 |
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| freemangordon | ceene: and what stops you going to the pub and making that conversation? | 17:35 |
| ceene | freemangordon: well, real life for example :) | 17:35 |
| ceene | not all of us have the same work hours | 17:35 |
| Sicelo | N900 also no longer very useful with gtalk since hangouts | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: lost generation | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | futile | 17:35 |
| ceene | nor we do live near enough | 17:35 |
| freemangordon | oh, so you have time to hang in group chat, but don;t have time to meet people face-to-face | 17:36 |
| ceene | freemangordon: of course | 17:36 |
| ceene | right now i'm at work | 17:36 |
| freemangordon | I see | 17:36 |
| ceene | supposedly working | 17:36 |
| ceene | :) | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya, lost | 17:36 |
| ceene | i can't go have a beer now | 17:36 |
| freemangordon | :D | 17:36 |
| freemangordon | ceene: ok, got it | 17:36 |
| Sicelo | lol DocScrutinizer05. i'm in South Africa & my sisters are in another country. calls are quite expensive between these two places. these same sisters have other people they keep in touch with via whatsapp. trust me, i've tried to teach them IRC, etc. didn't get anywhere. they've offered to help me buy a droid instead :p | 17:38 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: yeah, SA is another story | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 "friends" on qwitter 1000 followers on farcebook, but a decent phonecall is too expensive, rather chat over watsoup all day long than have a really good 10 minutes phonecall per day | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: VoIP is ~3ct/min to virtually everywhere on this globe | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to landlines | 17:39 |
| ceene | DocScrutinizer05: we can discuss the technical merits of whatsapp as well as its evilness as a company, but the fact that it's used by millions of people speaks for itself: it's something useful that people appreciate | 17:39 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure? | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: quite, yes | 17:40 |
| freemangordon | ceene: come on, does that mean that people appreciate android? | 17:40 |
| ceene | of course | 17:40 |
| Sicelo | yes, they do. | 17:40 |
| freemangordon | wrong | 17:40 |
| Sicelo | :) | 17:40 |
| ceene | it doesn't mean there isn't anything better than that | 17:40 |
| Sicelo | and ios | 17:40 |
| freemangordon | they don;t have an option | 17:40 |
| ceene | or that it's the best thing since sliced bread | 17:40 |
| ceene | but they do appreciate it | 17:40 |
| Sicelo | agreed.. same as whatsapp.. currently no option | 17:40 |
| * Sicelo hates whatsapp too btw | 17:41 | |
| ceene | even if there's an option, there's thing called inertia | 17:41 |
| freemangordon | having no option is not appreciating | 17:41 |
| ceene | freemangordon: we're talking about something that did not exist 10 years ago | 17:41 |
| ceene | it suddenly appeared | 17:41 |
| ceene | and people liked it | 17:41 |
| ceene | if that's not the very definition of appreciating, i don't know what it is | 17:41 |
| ceene | nobody is forcing anybody to use it | 17:41 |
| ceene | yet everyone does | 17:41 |
| ceene | so... there must be something that they provide that people want | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just like suckerberg | 17:42 |
| freemangordon | do they really? because IIRC by the time android appeared in 2009, Nokia was in decline and the only other option was IPhone 3 | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or Openmoko ;-D | 17:42 |
| Sicelo | here there was a local chat platform, MXit. people used it, and it didn't have crazy policies. user base diminished when whatsapp landed, to the point that the company is considering to shut down | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly known but OM Freerunner was the first phone where android got tested | 17:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm FB owns whatsapp as well, AFAIK | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (first phone) that's what I've been told at least | 17:44 |
| freemangordon | so the policies and marketing strategies are done in one and the same place, and I suspect they learned from redmond | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I was EE so didn't mind what they do there | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what was pretty clear from beginniong: on MY freerunner won't get any Android | 17:45 |
| freemangordon | BTW I am really starting to hope Jolla to succeed, as dark times are ahead otherwise IMO. | 17:46 |
| Sicelo | meaning? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we actually laughed about first iPhne services sold as newest hottest shit, we had that already | 17:46 |
| Sicelo | freemangordon: elaborate | 17:46 |
| ceene | well, guys, i'm gonna be going | 17:47 |
| ceene | Sicelo: we'll have to continue tomorrow, as i have all this afternoon occupied | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: for example - my and my lady bough the last 2 "Nokia with a a flashligh" devices in the store ... | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | a couple of months ago that is | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | there is a label "Microsoft" on the chargers | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | to my surprise, you *CAN'T* connect HF to those devices, even though they have BT, only OPP and FTP profiles are supported | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: another story - a friend of mine has Mitsubishi car with built-in BT HF (a microphone etc) | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | his Android refuses to play music through car's speakers, but HF works ok | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: do you get what I mean? | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | I don;t think that trading the freedom of choice for a kind of "convenience" is a smart choice | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: and Jolla are the only ones who try to do something at least partially different | 17:53 |
| Sicelo | sorry had network trouble just now. | 17:56 |
| Sicelo | i agree :) | 17:57 |
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| KotCzarny | well, difference between irc and WA is the almost automatic grouping of 'friends' | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | and interface simplified enough to clicky click | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | similar to the 'computing for the masses' from the '80s | 18:38 |
| luke-jr | so any usable GPS sw these days? :/ | 18:40 |
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| luke-jr | Google Maps no longer works in microb sigh | 18:41 |
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| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05 ... my 2nd N900 charging with Red LED | 19:48 |
| Sicelo | :-/ | 19:49 |
| Sicelo | any ideas? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | green LED defect? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery dead | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | video camera on? ;-) | 19:49 |
| Sicelo | defect battery you mean? because the device is on | 19:50 |
| Sicelo | and it's not the others | 19:50 |
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| Sicelo | i think this is error LED pattern | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when the charger chip (or BME?) detects a massive error... | 19:50 |
| Sicelo | let me connect to wifi and check syslog | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use charge21,sh, check error/status code | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | charger defect? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (overvoltage, poor power) | 19:52 |
| Sicelo | i doubt. let me check with main N900 | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first of all: check if reproducible | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even before: check if device operates from battery | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. unplug charger | 19:54 |
| Sicelo | it's reproducible. other N900 works fine with it. i guess bad battery. | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swap abttery | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | errr wait | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got wlan ssh? | 19:55 |
| Sicelo | yes | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | run bq27200.sh 5, then unplug charger | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pastebin | 19:56 |
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| Sicelo | will check when it's up again :p | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait a 30 s before unplugging | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even better, paste one line of log here | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | before we decide what to do next | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbiam | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ready? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, it exploded and blasted whole block? | 20:01 |
| Sicelo | no. it's booting now. but i notice the color when shutting down/booting is pink instead of white :-/ | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | green LED defect | 20:01 |
| Sicelo | will install patter editor and see | 20:02 |
| Sicelo | *pattern | 20:02 |
| Sicelo | yes. green is gone | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /syscat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | back in 10 min. shopping | 20:05 |
| Sicelo | led 2 fail \n led 4 fail \n led 5 fail | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see? | 20:05 |
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| luke-jr | E: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/002/./libfribidi0_0.10.4-6_armel.deb: Couldn't resolve host 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com' | 20:06 |
| luke-jr | any idea how to fix? >_< | 20:06 |
| Sicelo | this 2nd N900 .. sucks. mmc doesn't work, now LED borked. | 20:06 |
| Sicelo | luke-jr: the mirrors should have that. i use maemo-repos | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | ~mirrors | 20:09 |
| infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new | 20:09 |
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| luke-jr | ~rmo-new | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | … | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~liskeys mirror | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys mirror | 20:15 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'mirror' by key (15 of 45): #devuan mirrors ;; #maemo mirror ;; #maemo mirrors ;; .de mirror ;; 2.4 mirrors ;; au debian mirror ;; cmd: mirror (.*?) ;; d-i mirror ;; debian mirror ;; debian mirror space howto ;; debian mirrors ;; disk mirroring ;; dos mirror ;; eclipt mirroring tool ;; familiar mirror. | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 20:15 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues cloud-7 | 20:16 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'cloud-7' by value (17): flashing-cmdline #DEL# ;; #maemo interim-dns ;; bq27k-detail ;; unplug-usb ;; matan ;; jrrepos ;; bq-calibrate ;; #maemo mhd ;; #maemo wiki-backup ;; malf ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; bq27 ;; backupmenu ;; maemo-flashing ;; #maemo bm-images ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; #maemo dns #DEL#. | 20:16 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: not fixable, i guess? | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: prolly not | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos | 20:17 |
| infobot | jrrepos is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell luke-jr about jrrepos | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recommended.* - click in microB browser | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or click *this* http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I wonder why THREE LEDs are dead | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 of them must be kbd LEDs | 20:20 |
| Sicelo | kbd lights fine | 20:20 |
| Sicelo | will try a reflash some day .. it's my aux N900 .. not too concerned about it | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm intrigued | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 20:21 |
| Sicelo | i can do any tests you feel like, lol | 20:22 |
| Sicelo | i won't be flashing it any time soon | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flashing hardly will change anything | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 and 4 must be 1 and 2 from left / right in KBD | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are 5 LED in KBD | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6 | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5 is a color of indicator light, I __guess__ it __could__ be green ;-) | 20:25 |
| Sicelo | green is gone for sure. pattern editor confirmed | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 100 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb2/brightness | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with opened kbd and *via WLAN ssh* | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch if a LED goes bright | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb2/brightness | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 100 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb3/brightness | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and so on for 4 and 5 | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | two of them reported 'fail' | 20:29 |
| Sicelo | LEDs worked for all 3 | 20:31 |
| Sicelo | 5 wasn't so bright though, but it did show | 20:31 |
| Sicelo | ah .. it's good brightness too | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while true; do for (( i=1; i<7; i++ )); do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; sleep 1; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; done; done | 20:32 |
| Sicelo | i remember that script :) | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while true; do for (( i=1; i<7; i++ )); do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; done; done | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even | 20:32 |
| Sicelo | Bad for loop variable | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | typo | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/]/}/ | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bash! | 20:34 |
| Sicelo | no bash lol | 20:35 |
| Sicelo | guess it will have to wait | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while true; do i=1; while [ i < 7 ]; do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i}/brightness; done; i= $(( i + 1 )); done | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bourneshell aka messybox | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeeerks | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while true; do i=1; while [ i < 7 ]; do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i}/brightness; i= $(( i + 1 ));done; done | 20:37 |
| Sicelo | /bin/sh: syntax error: Bad substitution | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while true; do i=1; while [ i < 7 ]; do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i}/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i}/brightness; i= $(( i + 1 ));done; done | 20:38 |
| Sicelo | /bin/sh: cannot open 7: no such file | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bash: 7: No such file or directory | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gnagnagna | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while true; do i=1; while [ $i -lt 7 ]; do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb${i}/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb${i}/brightness; i=$(( i + 1 ));done; done | 20:45 |
| Sicelo | 3 is dead | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still the friggin dimming pattern running in engine | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it sort of works | 20:47 |
| Sicelo | all others fine | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the defect green one has side effects | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or the 3rd one is half-dead only | 20:48 |
| Sicelo | could be. and .. this N900 has bad flex .. maybe that's the real problem | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not for kbd | 20:48 |
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| Sicelo | bad flex killed earpiece for some reason i can't fathom, while everything else works. problem moves with the flex, as i have exchanged it between these N900 | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, maybe "bad flex" means flawed I2C bus? | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but even then... how's AV jack related to I2C? via the amp?# | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, earpiece | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's in display half, so how do you guess it gets connected ;-) | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I assume you swapped complete display though | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it might even be the earbiece itself | 21:08 |
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| Sicelo | i swapped flex. | 21:14 |
| Sicelo | now sent and received sms on my main N900. nothing shows, :D | 21:14 |
| Sicelo | time for android after all, haha | 21:15 |
| Sicelo | ah, killall rtcomm-messaging-ui | 21:18 |
| Sicelo | worked | 21:18 |
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| luke-jr | Navit seems to just not work :/ | 21:36 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | suddenly I lose my GPS lock and sats disappearing o.O | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | still 6 visible, but no lock | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | 9 again | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | shouldn't 3 be enough⁇ :/ | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | locked again, still no map :/ | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 22:18 |
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