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| kerio | yet another openssl advisory | 19:55 |
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| kerio | we can't be the only ones binarily stuck with openssl 0.9.8 | 20:02 |
| kerio | oh, we're lucky, RHEL 5 has openssl 0.9.8 | 20:05 |
| kerio | and they're offering fixes until 2020 | 20:05 |
| parazyd | effort is on the way to get a new upstream for maemo | 20:05 |
| kerio | we still have binaries with no source that link to 0.9.8 | 20:06 |
| kerio | freemangordon pls port fixe | 20:06 |
| kerio | s | 20:06 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: link? | 20:29 |
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| kerio | luke-jr: http://redhat.com LUL | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | … | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | to the advisory | 20:41 |
| kerio | https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2016-May/000072.html | 20:42 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: sorry, all my time ATM is dedicated to RL and linux kernel. Try to find someone else to do it. | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, getting 'fixes' from redhat? LOL | 20:56 |
| kerio | well, i'm pretty sure that they're redistributable | 20:56 |
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| kerio | and honestly i trust them with security patches for stuff like that | 20:58 |
| kerio | it's like their job or something | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 20:59 |
| bencoh | the thing is they backport a lot of stuff | 21:00 |
| bencoh | not just security | 21:00 |
| kerio | well, we can't blindly apply all their patches anyway | 21:00 |
| bencoh | if it's like their kernel it's gonna be a mess | 21:00 |
| kerio | they have openssl 0.9.8e-fips<something>-p<something> | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | isnt redhat basically nsa? | 21:00 |
| kerio | no | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | oh, that's a good news. but really? | 21:02 |
| kerio | really, they're not | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | that's an insider info? | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | afaik rh is the home of the bugs, holes and #poettering | 21:04 |
| kerio | they're destroying linux much quicker than nsa could ever hope to | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you seen the quote? | 22:03 |
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| kerio | which one | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>This "users are too stupid" argument is nonsense made up by big corporate software to justify continuous revenue streams based on features that get in our way. To see a smoking gun, go to This interview with Red Hat CTO, Brian Stevens, search the first occurrence of the word complexity, and read that paragraph and the one below it. That's the explanation for the explosive complexification of some realms of Linux in the past two decades. | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Those two paragraphs also provide a possible explanation when you ask why systemd came uncomfortably close to conquering the world.<< http://troubleshooters.com/linux/avoid_complexity.htm - I always said this was a root rationale for RH to pay Poettering for systemd | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | add complexity to core system to a point where every commercial user will happily subscribe to enterprise level SLA with the few companies (RadHat!) that still have control over that complexity and actually are the only ones able to maintain it | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry typo, s/Rad/Rat/ | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while for the regular ignorant lazy devel they promise (and offer) a convenience package like "unit files are simple, we take care of all the rest" | 22:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how many **RHEL** servers suffered that segfault-in-PID1 issue during boot that e.g. opensuse introduced dunno a year or so ago | 22:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thinking about it that friggin bug could also have been quite welcome or even intentional | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best of all: you couldn't *shutdown* the system anymore | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing smaller than a powercycle needed to at least get into console | 22:17 |
| kerio | not even via sysrq-trigger? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are disabled by default in systemd systems | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, c'mon "that's not what user is supposed to be able to do" | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOTABUG | 22:19 |
| kerio | LUL | 22:19 |
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| kerio | oh well, hetzner at least has an automated powercycle | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~nosystemd | 22:21 |
| infobot | from memory, nosystemd is https://devuan.org http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Systemd Disables the Linux Magic SysRq Key - closed as "NOTABUG" | 22:22 |
| kerio | hold on surely you can just reenable it with a sysctl or something | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if I knew what the fsck systemd did to disable it, to start with... | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on my machine it always been enabled, until I upgraded distro and got the gonocacacacus err sytemd pest | 22:23 |
| kerio | i have a debian sid server | 22:24 |
| kerio | with sysvinit | 22:24 |
| kerio | i should migrate it to freebsd but arm is tier2, so no binaries ._. | 22:24 |
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| KotCzarny | grab some multicore boxen and masscompile? | 22:26 |
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