Maxdamantus | Why would `switch` on strings have an O(1) search? | 00:08 |
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Wizzup | Maxdamantus: can be hash table like | 00:09 |
Wizzup | like a python 'string switch': {'a': foo(), 'b': bar()}['a'] | 00:09 |
Wizzup | actually, that is wrong | 00:09 |
Wizzup | like a python 'string switch': {'a': foo, 'b': bar}['a']() | 00:09 |
Wizzup | you get the idea | 00:09 |
Maxdamantus | I doubt it's likely to do that. | 00:10 |
Maxdamantus | Unless you actually have a large number of strings, it's going to be faster to just do the comparisons. | 00:10 |
Maxdamantus | or if there are too many common prefixes. | 00:11 |
Wizzup | I'm just suggesting a way it could be done | 00:11 |
Wizzup | Not saying that it is doing that | 00:11 |
Maxdamantus | hash functions are also O(n), not O(1). | 00:12 |
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ceene | read access to a dictionary is O(1) | 00:35 |
ceene | this thing is receiving an index, say 7, translating 7 to say stream:error and then comparing stream:error with dozens of possible texts | 00:36 |
ceene | why do that, when you can just switch(index) case 7 | 00:36 |
ceene | that's O(1) | 00:36 |
ceene | and not a back-and-forth mapping from hash to key and viceversa | 00:36 |
Maxdamantus | Where do you get the 7 from? | 00:38 |
Pali | Maxdamantus: there are hash functions which have access in O(1) | 00:38 |
Pali | in worst case, not only approx | 00:39 |
Maxdamantus | Sure. You can analyse the table and determine a unique set of character indices to compare. | 00:39 |
Maxdamantus | eg, if you have `case "stream:error": ..; case "stream:features": ..`, you can determine that you only need to compare index 7 before checking that it matches the expected string. | 00:40 |
Pali | yes, that "smart" compiler could do | 00:41 |
Maxdamantus | (and create a jump table based on that single bit) | 00:41 |
Maxdamantus | A compiler that smart would probably also do it with an if/else chain. | 00:42 |
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ceene | http://imgur.com/gL3tXTg | 00:53 |
ceene | i've found this thing at my parents, from when i was little :) | 00:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hihi, I once had to dealwith a 'smart' pascal compiler that for a >>var I : int16; case I of 1 : xfoo; -1 : ybar; end; << created a jump table of humble 32k words length | 00:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, at least it tried to, then segfaulted | 00:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I had to redirect the compiler listing to printer, to find out which line it blew chunks | 00:56 |
Maxdamantus | Although I'm suspicious of the test (since such tests are likely to trigger tangential compiler optimisations), a randomly generated 10k `if` table on strings seems to be about 10× faster than the equivalent `switch` table on a recent version of V8. | 00:56 |
Maxdamantus | on an older version of Spidermonkey, the `switch` is about 6× faster, and on a newer version it's about the same. | 00:57 |
kerio | ayy javascript lmao | 00:58 |
Maxdamantus | but that should be enough information to be suspicious generally of picking some language feature over another language feature for performance reasons without actually having good reasons to. | 00:58 |
Maxdamantus | https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/853b69b3bb900cad37c254a902b0ccc9 | 00:59 |
Maxdamantus | input generated with: cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc 'a-zA-Z0-9 \n' | sed '/^\([^ ]\+\) \([^ ]\+\)$/!d' | head -10000 >input | 00:59 |
ceene | i don't even know how to execute that thing | 01:00 |
Maxdamantus | js genif.js <input >testif.js | 01:01 |
Maxdamantus | js testif.js | 01:01 |
Maxdamantus | node -e 'this.print = function(s){ console.log(s); }; require("./testif");' | 01:02 |
ceene | only thing i've ever done on javascript is alert("This is a very cool web page") | 01:02 |
Maxdamantus | where `js` is the program you can build from the gecko-dev/mozilla-central source tree. | 01:02 |
ceene | i'll just believe you then :) | 01:03 |
ceene | i agree that case vs if may not be faster | 01:03 |
ceene | but i can't believe that arbitrary length string comparison is better than a look up table | 01:03 |
ceene | when you already have that look up table | 01:04 |
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Maxdamantus | Should probably also try a preconstructed object. | 01:05 |
ceene | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap_on_video_ram | 01:05 |
ceene | can this thing work on n900? | 01:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no | 01:08 |
ceene | oh :( | 01:08 |
Maxdamantus | The actual map is a lot faster, indicating that the switch doesn't generate a hash table. | 01:08 |
ceene | that's the kind of crazy thing that could have worked | 01:08 |
Maxdamantus | (it gets different results though, since the map isn't ordered) | 01:08 |
Maxdamantus | actually, it doesn't necessarily indicate that. | 01:09 |
ceene | well, gotta go to sleep | 01:09 |
ceene | night night! | 01:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 01:09 |
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kerio | ceene: i don't think that our gpu has dedicated ram | 01:31 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | happy to pre-announce devuan will build a version for maemo5, so after debian went systemd and thus orphaned downstream distros like maemo that can't work with systemd, we now have a future again in upstream | 06:20 |
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KotCzarny | i have a code that maps song lenghts to song md5s, so i just did a hashing on those md5s to fit in int | 07:51 |
KotCzarny | works nicely and luckily no collisions | 07:52 |
KotCzarny | had to do that to fit it in few hundred of kB instead of few MB | 07:53 |
KotCzarny | not to mention it's probably faster to lookup an int than 32byte | 07:54 |
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* Maxdamantus remembers noticing collisions in lengths (byte sizes of mp3s, mostly). | 10:03 | |
Maxdamantus | lengths and mtimes. | 10:03 |
KotCzarny | this one was the .txt db of lengths in seconds and files were identified by md5sum | 10:08 |
kerio | this reminds me that i should do another scrub of my zpool | 10:22 |
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* Maxdamantus will do one of his btrfs. | 10:30 | |
Maxdamantus | scrub started at Mon Aug 17 14:21:41 2015 and finished after 37365 seconds | 10:30 |
KotCzarny | how do i scrub my ext4? | 10:30 |
Maxdamantus | You can't. | 10:31 |
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Maxdamantus | ext4 is a degenerate filesystem that doesn't have integrity checks. | 10:31 |
KotCzarny | is ntfs better? | 10:31 |
KotCzarny | also i think i have saw checksumming option in ext4 | 10:32 |
Maxdamantus | Dunno. | 10:32 |
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kerio | btrfs has checksumming | 10:32 |
kerio | because it's a cheapo clone of zfs | 10:32 |
kerio | ext4 doesn't, because it's a toy filesystem | 10:33 |
KotCzarny | Since the 3.6 kernel ext4 suppports metadata checksumming | 10:34 |
Maxdamantus | btrfs is like zfs that does fewer stupid things, like loading things into RAM twice. | 10:34 |
kerio | [citation needed] | 10:35 |
Maxdamantus | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#ZFS_cache:_ARC_.28L1.29.2C_L2ARC.2C_ZIL | 10:36 |
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kerio | so... | 10:38 |
Maxdamantus | One of the reasons I probably wouldn't want to use it on an embedded device. | 10:38 |
Maxdamantus | You have to allocate memory for it because it doesn't just use Linux's disk cache system like everything else. | 10:39 |
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kerio | well, you can't use it on n900 because the hard minimum for the ARC is 64mb | 10:44 |
kerio | and that's a quarter of the n900's total ram | 10:44 |
KotCzarny | and its 4 times of the available ram | 10:49 |
luke-jr | only if you use Maemo | 10:50 |
KotCzarny | yes | 10:50 |
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ceene | the guy from yowsup is a cool guy :) | 11:52 |
KotCzarny | good drinker? ;) | 11:52 |
ceene | he's answered me and says he'll try to discover what's wrong with libwa | 11:52 |
ceene | don't know, this guy is from germany | 11:53 |
ceene | so yes, he's probably a good drinker | 11:53 |
ceene | :D | 11:53 |
ceene | yesterday i started to implement libaxolotl on my own code instead of continuing with libwa | 11:53 |
ceene | it seems feasible, but... so many things seemed feasible before and end up being dead-ends | 11:53 |
ceene | so... i don't really know what's gonna happen | 11:54 |
KotCzarny | WA will change something to make things harder? | 11:54 |
KotCzarny | ;) | 11:54 |
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kerio | i don't really think they care about alternate clients | 11:56 |
kerio | it's just that... | 11:56 |
kerio | they don't care about alternate clients | 11:56 |
KotCzarny | in fact, they hate alternative clients | 11:56 |
kerio | :c | 11:57 |
KotCzarny | someone in usa should start group case against their monopolistic practices | 11:57 |
kerio | "they run a messaging service AND THEY DON'T RELEASE THEIR TRADE SECRETS SO WE CAN CONNECT TO IT" | 11:58 |
kerio | that will go well | 11:58 |
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ceene | they don't even care about their own clients | 12:37 |
ceene | proved by the fact that from 2017 they will no new releases for S40 nor old android phones | 12:38 |
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zZap-X | i think we should all stop using whatsapp and try and get our friends to use https://whispersystems.org/ | 14:24 |
zZap-X | and port that to N900 insteaad | 14:24 |
luke-jr | why not standard XMPP? | 14:38 |
parazyd | ^ | 14:45 |
zZap-X | aye ok | 14:49 |
sixwheeledbeast | more devices need cross platform SIP and XMPP, OTB. N900 had this, other devices need proprietary apps from app stores | 14:53 |
sixwheeledbeast | the issue is getting others to switch from these proprietary systems they have been using for so long. | 14:54 |
sixwheeledbeast | you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink... | 14:54 |
M4rtinK | one issue with XMPP is audio/video AFAIK | 14:55 |
M4rtinK | IIRC there is still not one widely supported method of robust audio/video conferencing over XMPP | 14:56 |
M4rtinK | people expect that more and more these days | 14:56 |
M4rtinK | so many of the new IM services, including open source ones, usually provide audio/video conferencing by default | 14:56 |
sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: Exactly my point | 15:02 |
M4rtinK | from what I've seen about the open/semi open IM services | 15:03 |
M4rtinK | Telegram seem to be quite popular | 15:03 |
M4rtinK | but too Whatsapp-like to my tastes (does something similar to the phone number nonsence whatsapp does) | 15:04 |
zZap-X | "If your friends use Whatsapp, then maybe they are not your friends" | 15:04 |
M4rtinK | then Matrix (fully open source & federated) looks good | 15:04 |
M4rtinK | kinda like XMPP/Jabber 2.0/done right | 15:04 |
M4rtinK | and also tox | 15:05 |
zZap-X | There is always good old trusted SMS :D | 15:05 |
M4rtinK | which is fully decentralized & encrypted, but kinda immature & the decentralization makes some things harder to do than on networks that are "just" federated | 15:05 |
M4rtinK | like having more accounts online under your identity | 15:06 |
zZap-X | most smartphones have sms and email, i will use them instead for now | 15:06 |
M4rtinK | which is a rather frequent use-case these days with people using a mobile device & PC or even multiple mobile devices | 15:07 |
zZap-X | or i could even actually phone somebody? i actually, maybe not | 15:07 |
Sicelo | except that phoning somebody can cost an arm & a leg in some places | 15:19 |
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Sicelo | i fully agree with M4rtinK | 15:23 |
M4rtinK | in any case more plugins for the Sailfish OS account system would be nice | 15:24 |
M4rtinK | at least a Matrix one | 15:24 |
M4rtinK | I'm using the Jabber/XMPP plugin and it work well | 15:24 |
Sicelo | i also am pissed off at whatsapp, and for years avoided using it ... unfortunately i've got 'real' peope to communicate with .. so it ended up that i didn't rally have a choice. trust me .. i tried to convert them to IRC/xmpp ... just didn't work | 15:25 |
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Sicelo | M4rtinK: audio/video working with xmpp on sfos? | 15:25 |
zZap-X | everybody uses facebook, everybody uses whatsapp... back in the old days it was Microsoft MSN lol | 15:31 |
zZap-X | im gonna see if i can get SMS working in a terminal, that would be great | 15:32 |
zZap-X | i believe there is a web interface for n900 sms | 15:33 |
Sicelo | you can iirc (n900) | 15:33 |
zZap-X | ace | 15:33 |
Sicelo | that's the 'problem' with communication | 15:33 |
Sicelo | it's not about 'you' .. but you need a common ground | 15:33 |
Sicelo | in the form of a common language (english), or common medium (whatsapp) | 15:34 |
zZap-X | aye | 15:34 |
zZap-X | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS | 15:36 |
zZap-X | i wonder if there is a tool what can send and recieve sms via email from your n900 | 15:37 |
zZap-X | so when you get a sms, the n900 sends a email | 15:37 |
Sicelo | you'd prolly want to hook to dbus | 15:38 |
zZap-X | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69264 | 15:38 |
M4rtinK | Sicelo: just simple text chat | 15:41 |
zZap-X | wow | 15:43 |
zZap-X | http://maemo.org/packages/view/txtmsgtomail/ | 15:43 |
zZap-X | now that is cool | 15:43 |
zZap-X | saves grabbing my phone everytime there is a new sms :D | 15:44 |
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Linkandzelda | yay, now i have 2 n900s. one is used condition and another in mint condition http://cl.ly/0x3Q0F3x2b2H | 15:45 |
zZap-X | lets test to see if this works | 15:53 |
zZap-X | IT WORKS!! | 15:54 |
zZap-X | now i need to find a way to send a sms from n900 | 15:54 |
KotCzarny | ~phonecontrol | 15:55 |
infobot | methinks phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 15:55 |
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Vajb | would be cool to use whatsap via irssi script :D | 16:42 |
zZap-X | how can one turn off vibration for sms only but leave phone vibration on? | 16:45 |
zZap-X | Vajb: i used to use irssi + bitlbee + whatsapp-purple | 16:45 |
zZap-X | but whatsapp-purple have stopped development and too scared to use it incase i get banned | 16:46 |
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Vajb | i see | 16:51 |
Vajb | zZap-X: maybe there is ggonf key for it? | 16:52 |
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zZap-X | Vajb: what is that? | 17:03 |
zZap-X | KotCzarny: i think phonecontrol is a bit OTT, all i need is this http://maemo.org/packages/view/remotesms/ | 17:04 |
zZap-X | phonecontrol is a bit like SMSCOM what i already use | 17:04 |
Sicelo | completely unrelated | 17:11 |
zZap-X | wow i remotesms works in links but you need the phone number | 17:13 |
zZap-X | but then again all it does is communicate with sendsms.py so might as well use that lol | 17:15 |
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zZap-X | excellent, sendsms.py [number] message straight from command line, and new messages go straight to email inbox :D | 17:21 |
zZap-X | no need to touch phone anymore | 17:21 |
Sicelo | how do you read the messages that are in inbox? | 17:22 |
zZap-X | mutt | 17:23 |
zZap-X | pity sendsms.py doesnt read contacts, i could make a little wrapper script for it | 17:24 |
Sicelo | i think you 'touch phone' for mutt, wrong? | 17:25 |
zZap-X | mutt is a terminal mail client | 17:27 |
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Sicelo | thanks for the info. i've been using mutt on my N900 for a long time :) | 17:30 |
Sicelo | although i think i know now what you're trying to achieve | 17:31 |
zZap-X | i use mutt on my linux box, just ssh into n900 | 17:32 |
zZap-X | using screen | 17:32 |
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zZap-X | all i need to do as set some variables in the shell, like MeMob=12345, then i can do sendsms.py MeMob message | 17:38 |
zZap-X | i wonder if there is a way to view the contact list in the terminal | 17:38 |
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Sicelo | it's a berkeley db .. readable | 17:47 |
Sicelo | there's a python script somewhere for it | 17:48 |
Sicelo | ~contacts2 | 17:48 |
Sicelo | hmm | 17:48 |
Sicelo | ~contact2 | 17:48 |
Sicelo | ~contact | 17:48 |
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zZap-X | http://blog.tersmitten.nl/how-to-export-your-contacts-from-a-n900-backup-directory.html | 17:58 |
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Sicelo | well, that's not exactly the one | 18:04 |
zZap-X | nope it didnt work lol | 18:05 |
zZap-X | http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-60526.html | 18:05 |
zZap-X | cant get that to work either | 18:05 |
Sicelo | i'll upload the one i have .. don't remember where i got it .. maybe on DocScrutinizer05 repo | 18:05 |
zZap-X | ace :D | 18:05 |
Sicelo | maemo.cloud-7.de maemo5 usr local bin contact2 | 18:07 |
Sicelo | that's the url .. no spaces, of course | 18:07 |
zZap-X | good man :D | 18:08 |
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Vajb | zZap-X: actually mispelled gconf. Install gconf-tool and see if there is something to it. | 18:11 |
zZap-X | works awesome | 18:13 |
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Sicelo | gconf, or contacts2? | 18:51 |
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zZap-X | would i damage anything if i changed this in /etc/passwd /home/user:/bin/sh to /home/user:/bin/bash ? | 18:55 |
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Sicelo | very much | 18:58 |
Sicelo | don't do that. maemo largely depends on busybox | 18:58 |
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zZap-X | aye ok | 19:00 |
zZap-X | Sicelo: so the best way to execute bash4 is by typing it | 19:00 |
Sicelo | something like that, yes | 19:06 |
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