IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2016-04-26

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LinkandzeldaDocScrutinizer05: is there any reason your tools page installs bash3 and not bash4?01:43
DocScrutinizer05umm, yes. I think I didn't like some of the bash4 'new features'01:43
DocScrutinizer05nothing sound though01:44
DocScrutinizer05iirc bash4 is missing "help"01:44
DocScrutinizer05which, if correct, is an inapt futile effort to safe space01:45
Linkandzeldai see01:45
DocScrutinizer05when I install bash, then not to safe space ;-)01:48
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DocScrutinizer05sure you could create a script named "help" to simulate this lacking feature, but ... honestly now? I need to write this myself?01:49
DocScrutinizer05then I pondered why I'd want bash4 instead bash3 and didn't find sound arguments01:50
DocScrutinizer05and the latter is the only statement you may call me out on, all the rest is disclaimer IIRC01:52
Linkandzeldafair enough01:53
Linkandzeldaone other thing, the bash and tools script you made installs packages from extras devel, or rather less and locate are not in the normal packages. since its a script meant to run in 1 shot, does this mean i should have extras devel for all other packages it installs?02:05
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DocScrutinizer05err good question, I admit I didn't consider that aspect since the script is "virtual" and grew over literally years without me ever testing it in its entirety. I *hope* it will work when you enable extras-devel and the nokia mirrors beforehand02:13
DocScrutinizer05if certain packets turn out to be broken, I might add a version specifier to the particular apt-get install command, to install a working package02:14
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DocScrutinizer05("virtual") actually I just copied in new cmdline commands I used, when it turned out they were useful. I forgot to take care and notice about the repos enabled when I did02:16
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DocScrutinizer05so yes, in theory there might be instances where I installed a package from maemo-extras, not noticing a conflicting broken package existing in maemo-extras-devel02:17
DocScrutinizer05however I honestly doubt that02:18
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Linkandzeldathats fine, i was installing them from exras devel on a per-package basis02:20
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Linkandzeldaim setting up the 2nd n900 i got and forgot all the stuff i did on my other one02:34
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LinkandzeldaDocScrutinizer05: i installed bash4 and changed my passwd file to use /bin/bash on both user and root, now im unable to boot. im guessing reflash needed?03:07
DocScrutinizer05hmm, changing user's account is terribly cumbersome since the device will user user's account to boot, and when you change shell there, it won't boot anymore since boot (rather: hildon X11 crankup) depends on busybox mess03:09
DocScrutinizer05you however can fix that 'easily' if you still can access the device, either via ssh login or worst case via rescueOS03:10
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infobotit has been said that rescueos is
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Linkandzeldawell i only just reflashed a couple hours ago so its no big deal to do it again, i guess03:11
DocScrutinizer05iirc cssu boot should trow you to a console finally when system hangs in a bootloop03:11
Linkandzeldai remember doing it though, on my old one03:11
DocScrutinizer05yep, reflash is easy03:11
Linkandzeldayea it worked fine on my other device03:12
Linkandzeldaetc passwd is identical03:12
Linkandzeldaonly difference is bash3 vs bash403:12
Linkandzeldai'll leave this one boot looping in case it brings me to a terminal03:13
DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: the problem iirc is: a) busybox has some non-standard behavior in some of its 'applets' on which some scripts rely (like formats of `ps` output, cmdline options etc)03:13
DocScrutinizer05and b) bash has none of those messybox applets built in, so you need all those available as external commands in $PATH at any time during boot03:14
DocScrutinizer05and c) /etc/shells iirc03:14
Linkandzeldaso how can i make ssh and xterm open to bash by default?03:14
DocScrutinizer05bootlooping only brings you to a terminal after max 10 reboots (prolly rather 3) - if at all03:14
Linkandzeldaits on the 5 dots only03:15
DocScrutinizer05I'd add some if "is_ssh; then..." to messybox initscript03:15
DocScrutinizer05(5 dots) do you have ssh configured?03:16
Linkandzeldassh isnt letting me in either03:16
DocScrutinizer05might already be up and running, to log in via wlan03:16
Linkandzeldai have open ssh server, was using it before i rebooted03:16
Linkandzeldabut the ip isnt responding03:17
DocScrutinizer05ok, then you're out of luck, either reflash or use rescueOS03:17
DocScrutinizer05or BM03:17
DocScrutinizer05BM should offer a terminal quite early in boot process03:17
Linkandzeldayea, would be great if i installed backup menu hehe03:18
DocScrutinizer05you prolly could even selectively restore /etc/passwd via BM03:18
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline03:18
Linkandzeldaam i right in thinking that i can use backupmenu on my current device, then restore onto my new and keep things as they are? kernels etc?03:19
DocScrutinizer05don't worry, many users fell for this03:19
DocScrutinizer05except kernel all, yes03:19
Linkandzeldainfact i'll ask a different question, thats the quickest way to do a full clone?03:20
DocScrutinizer05you must make sure your target device has same kernel already installed, like the donor device03:20
DocScrutinizer05yes, quickest way03:20
Linkandzeldai have kernel power on current device03:20
Linkandzeldaso i'd need to install that i guess03:21
Linkandzeldawould a clone also install cssu stuff?03:21
DocScrutinizer05then install same kernel on new device before restoring BM backup03:21
DocScrutinizer05yes, it's a full clone, except kernel. That's why you need same kernel since otherwise the kernel *modules* in rootfs won't match -> borked, reflash03:22
DocScrutinizer05I actually did that cloning a 3 or 4 tiomes now03:23
DocScrutinizer05that's why my system's "history" goes back to pre-201003:24
Linkandzeldaso you basically moved to and from different devices over and over?03:24
DocScrutinizer05and even when I had an oppsie like you do now, I simply restored a backup and thus the reflash didn't really show up in "histroy"03:26
DocScrutinizer05I think I did *one* clean reflash to upgrade from PR1.2 to PR1.3, a half a year after PR1.3 came out03:27
DocScrutinizer05never since restarted with a clean install03:28
DocScrutinizer05always used to restore my backups, either on same or on new device03:28
DocScrutinizer05I tested clean installs on other devices, e.g. for testing CSSU03:28
Linkandzeldathis has got to be the easiest flash process on any device i ever owned, and i owned like 30+ other phones in the past03:29
DocScrutinizer05hehe, thanks03:29
Linkandzeldaaaand finished03:30
Linkandzeldanow if i play my cards right i should never have to do this again xD03:31
DocScrutinizer05well, you might need to do it if the system fails to boot up03:32
DocScrutinizer05if you can get into BM, you should be safe03:32
DocScrutinizer05and BM gets called very very early in boot process03:32
DocScrutinizer05only bootloader and kernel hiccups could actually stop it03:33
Linkandzeldagoing to install bm and kernelpower now then will attempt a clone03:33
DocScrutinizer05and edits in some base system init scripts and binaries, like ... shell, /sbin/preinit03:34
DocScrutinizer05a general rule: before *any* restore there always comes a backup - to save the current state03:34
DocScrutinizer05so in case the restore goes awry, you can restore to pre-restore state03:35
DocScrutinizer05(exception to the ruke: restores to recover from failed restores, you usually don't wnat to archive a failed-restore state of system)03:36
zZap-Xshall we have a competition on how long we can keep uptime on our N900?03:36
DocScrutinizer05meh, I win this03:37
DocScrutinizer05I had 480 days uptime on my devel device03:37
zZap-XNokia-N900:~$ uptime03:37
zZap-X 01:35:50 up 5 days,  5:28, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0003:37
DocScrutinizer05ramdom recent value of daily phone:03:38
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# uptime03:38
DocScrutinizer05 02:37    19 Tage  9:01 an,  0 Benutzer,  Durchschnittslast: 0,00, 0,03, 0,0003:38
zZap-X19 days?03:38
DocScrutinizer05err yup, pretty normal03:38
DocScrutinizer05rather on the short side03:38
zZap-Xnot bad03:38
DocScrutinizer05I don't boot my phone more frequently than maybe 6 to 8 times a year03:39
zZap-Xim gonna try and see how long i can keep it without rebooting03:39
DocScrutinizer05I guess last reboot was to finally do a BM backup again ;-)03:40
zZap-Xhave to make sure it never runs out of battery03:40
zZap-Xoh yeah backup menu03:40
DocScrutinizer05aaah wait, last reboot was actually due to battery-down while not at home03:40
zZap-Xmake sure that doesnt happen again03:41
DocScrutinizer05it shut down 50m away from my flat door, while returning home03:41
DocScrutinizer05I think I forgot to disable navi, or sth03:41
DocScrutinizer05unlocked it to actually shut down navi app, and that was too much for the weak battery ;-P03:42
Linkandzeldaim trying to come up with a name like IroN90003:42
DocScrutinizer05screen went bright for a 3s and then it shut down03:42
DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: T900 is also used already ;-)03:43
LinkandzeldaDocScrutinizer05: loaded backupmenu on my current device and its stuck at "chrooting..." for 5 mins03:56
Linkandzeldaim gonna pull the battery03:57
DocScrutinizer05I wonder what you did, in detail03:59
DocScrutinizer05tbh I never noticed a "chrooting..." in BM context04:00
Linkandzeldai turned it off, held open the keyboard, turned it on, selected backupmenu, waited04:00
Linkandzeldathis is my old one04:00
Linkandzeldastuck on this
Linkandzeldai just finished installing bm on the new one, going to open it04:02
Linkandzeldaworks fine on that one04:02
Linkandzeldamaybe i'll try to reinstall it on the other04:02
DocScrutinizer05aah BM tries to create a chroot with some tools like sshd etc in it04:03
DocScrutinizer05for that it needs the tools to be available, to start with04:03
DocScrutinizer05it's a tad unfortunate that robbiethe1st didn't catch any errors that may occur during that tools copying and chrooting04:04
DocScrutinizer05after all aiui the whole chroot thing is only needed for advanced features like "ssh into device" and "enter console" etc04:05
DocScrutinizer05I recal there been discussions and tweaks around that whole thing, BM trying to ship the tools bundled rather than copying them from plain system, or whatever04:05
infobotbackupmenu is, like,, or one-click install handling dependency issues:
DocScrutinizer05that tmo thread should have details04:06
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how Linkandzelda installed BM to old device04:06
Linkandzeldawell i think i'll just remake this device on the new one, then clone it to the old one and use that as the restore point for a "clean" setup04:07
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DocScrutinizer05a pite: >>t900:-# uptime  --> 04:12:15 up 236 days, 11:59 ...<< and now I need to reboot since I experience weird WLAN issues with that device in my network: >>26.04.1603:30:14WLAN-Gerät wird abgemeldet (2,4 GHz): WLAN-Gerät antwortet nicht. MAC-Adresse: A8:7E:33:CD:F0:E3. (#0302).<<04:36
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DocScrutinizer05indeed the device needed some reboot >= needed_action > (/etc/init.d/wlancond restart)04:46
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DocScrutinizer05hmm syslog too large?
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DocScrutinizer05LOL, latst newest hottest intellignece(¡): there are botnets on twitter, and moods/trends in internet are not real05:00
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DocScrutinizer05peeps, it took you how long now to realize THAT?05:01
DocScrutinizer05I got sth for you: there are not only bots on twitter, e.g. Russia even employs professional human trolls for that purpose05:03
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zGrrmoin :)11:06
Vajbdoes anyone use hamster filer? There is option to open files with certain programs. Like if i put there "mplayer -ao pulse" it opens file in mplayer, but what to include that it launches terminal and runs mplayer via terminal and not just launch mplayer on the background?11:27
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kerioosso-xterm -something mplayer -ao pulse?11:29
keriopossibly even just osso-xterm mplayer -ao pulse11:30
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Vajbnope. It just pops terminal and closes without playing any11:31
Vajbosso-xterm "sh -c 'cd """$(dirname ""%s"")"""; sh'" that is the string in program which opens terminal in that directory the file is11:34
Vajbmaybe that gives away some hint im not aware of?11:34
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KotCzarnyosso-terminal -h ?11:41
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KotCzarnyalso, probably you are missing path, sh is in /bin so it gets found, try adding: /usr/bin/mplayer as a command11:42
Vajb-h does nothing and adding usr/bin/mplayer pops xterm shortly but not playing11:45
KotCzarnydoes it pass file name as an arg? probably %s (from your example)11:46
Vajbso i guess there has to be some command to execute mplayer after xterm is launched11:46
Vajbyes with "mplayer -ao pulse %s" it starts playback in the bacground, but i wanna see it in terminal to be able to fast forward and pause11:47
kerioosso-xterm /usr/bin/mplayer -ao pulse %s11:49
Vajbok when i put mplayer -ao pulse instead of dirname it started to play file via terminal but not showing any info11:50
Vajbkerio: just pops up terminal and closes11:50
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keriooh hm11:51
kerio"osso-xterm /usr/bin/mplayer -ao pulse %s"11:51
kerioer fuck11:51
kerioosso-xterm "/usr/bin/mplayer -ao pulse %s"11:51
Vajbosso-xterm "sh -c 'cd """$(mplayer -ao pulse ""%s"")"""; sh'"11:52
Vajbthat's the string that pops terminal starts playing but gives no info of the file playing. Can pause tho11:53
keriono that's not how it works ._.11:53
kerioosso-xterm "sh -c 'mplayer -ao pulse ""%s""'"11:54
Vajbalso with " " ur last idea just pops terminal and closes11:54
kerioso that's "" "" around %s, then close ' then close "11:55
Vajbok lets try11:55
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Vajbthx a lot kerio!11:57
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OksanaaAre marbles an open-source game? If so, could somebody please work "save game" into the code?14:40
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ceenemy two numbers have been banned17:25
ceeneican't even test things now17:26
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DocScrutinizer05there must be test accounts (aka 'numbers') you could use to test authentication and communication to a serverside test facility17:34
ceenenone that i know of17:35
DocScrutinizer05like SIP "echo123" or "10000"17:35
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DocScrutinizer05if they don't have anything like that, they are really not worth bothering about their service17:36
ceenethey may have, but if they do, it's a secret user with a secret password17:37
ceenethey win't publish their internal test users17:37
infobotceene meant: they won't publish their internal test users17:37
DocScrutinizer05there also must be ways to unban an account, no?17:39
ceenebasically... nope17:40
ceenei can write them and cry and they won't even answer back17:40
ceenewith a bit of luck i've only been banned for a couple days17:40
ceeneworst case is 60 days17:41
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KotCzarnybut i guess it's old17:55
ceenei got several implementations17:56
ceenei was pretty near :(17:56
ceenelibwa is almost there17:56
ceenethe yowsup guy has promised to look at it17:56
ceenebut i don't know if he'll be able to see what's wrong17:57
ceeneon parallel i was implemeting cipher onto yappari's original wa code17:57
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ceenein case libwa fails, be able to try something else17:57
ceenebut now that i'm banned... it's gonna be pretty hard17:58
ceenemy gf is gonna lend me a number of hers17:58
ceenebut once that is gone also...17:58
KotCzarnybut yowsup's code works?17:58
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ceeneit's quite frustrating, because libwa code is much better structured than Yappari18:01
ceenebut whereas libwa won't login, Yappari will18:02
ceeneand i can't for the life of me see what's wrong18:02
Vajbwell obviously messy service asks for messy code =)18:07
ceenei also don't understand why do we have to implement a full blown out xmpp client18:08
ceenei don't know much about xmpp though, so maybe the reason is WA has modified the underlying protocol18:09
ceenebut for what i understand... we're implementing xmpp when that should already exist18:09
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ceeneit's all insane18:10
ceenei understand all of this was done by RE the protocol and all that, but...18:10
ceenethis should have been just a layer on top of qxmpp18:11
ceeneproblem now is that this is all a race against the clock18:12
ceenewhat use would it make if i started it all from scratch and spend six months on a perfect implementation18:12
ceeneby then everybody would have migrated to something else18:12
ceeneso that'd be as good as doing nothing at all18:12
Vajbmaybe android version is way to go18:12
ceeneproblem is the same18:13
ceeneeither we run original apk18:13
ceeneor we have to implement the protocol18:13
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Vajbmaybe android version is closer to our ecosystem than s40?18:15
Vajbwhat os was s40 anyway?18:16
ceeneS40 version is written on java18:16
ceeneso it is easily decompilable18:16
Vajboh i see18:16
ceeneandroid version, for what i've seen, is compiled to a binary .so18:16
inzIIRC the S40 os was boringly named Nokia OS18:16
ceeneso RE is quite harder18:16
ceenei guess there must be some way to run code from that .so :)18:17
ceenenot that i'd feel comfortable doing that18:17
Vajbwe need someone from wassup company to give some hints about source code18:18
ceeneworking implementations seem to... work18:18
ceenemine is a non working implementation right now18:18
Vajbbut victory will be sweeter after epic struggle than just struggle :)18:19
Vajbis there any opensource xmmp protocol which might excist in all phones?18:20
ceenesure, xmpp is quite standard18:21
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KotCzarnyceene: if you look for decompiler then magic word is 'ida'18:25
KotCzarnyand you can probably ask local RE gurus18:26
Vajbwell then. What would be best option that can be ran in maemo, lumia and android?18:26
KotCzarnyjownil and friends18:26
Vajbyes i red several times that jonwil had ran out of things to do18:26
KotCzarnyvajb: xmpp is open source protocol, and marketing name is 'jabber'18:26
ceeneVajb: it doesn't matter if people, friends of friends of friends aren't willing to change from whatsapp to something else18:26
freemangordonI doubt hel'' be intereted in REing watsapp :)18:27
ceeneand we're not enough people to instigate that change18:27
freemangordonjonwil I mean18:27
freemangordonceene: how big is that .so?18:27
Vajbbut in time when whatsup drops support of old phones18:27
Vajbi doubt that everyone is going to buy new phone then18:28
KotCzarnywell, all he needs is a working code that can be rewritten18:30
ceenethat's quite an old implementation18:30
ceenei got yowsup18:30
ceenewhich works18:30
ceenefreemangordon: can't tell right now18:31
ceenei'd have to redownload that thing and look for it18:31
ceenebut it probably has axolotl embedded18:31
ceeneand quite a few things18:31
ceeneso... big, I guess18:31
freemangordonforget about REing then, unless they forgot to strip it18:32
KotCzarnyceene, i assume you already know about mgp25/chat-api ?18:35
ceenethat's the guy who is from my city18:35
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ceenebut doesn't seem very keen on socializing and helping a brother out18:36
ceeneat least he is polite18:36
ceenelibwa is so near!18:38
ceenebut there's some stupid little thing wrong there18:38
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Siceloceene: if you need another number, i still have a 3rd working one ;)18:59
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DocScrutinizer05ask council to provide numbers! there's a reason we got funds for19:49
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L29Ahwhat funds19:53
L29Ahi need some19:53
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ceeneSicelo: thanks! right now i'm using a number of my gf20:49
ceeneDocScrutinizer05: ditto!20:49
ceenei've registered fine using libwa20:49
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ceenefaking an S4020:49
ceenethis should work20:49
DocScrutinizer05you shouldn't block that one too, I tellya dat bro20:49
ceeneshe knows what I do20:50
ceenebut i'll try very hard not to get banned20:50
KotCzarnybring her to irc? :>20:50
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ceenethere she is20:51
ahyckahi :)20:51
KotCzarnynow you can pm her ;)20:52
ceeneyeah, i don't need yappari to talk to her20:52
KotCzarnyahycka: greetings earthling20:52
ceenewell, she's sitting right here, so i could always use my voice or what3ever20:52
KotCzarnyceene: pah, voice is overrated20:52
ahyckahe needs me near to ask me whatsapp's code xD20:53
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ceenewe used MSN a lot when we were young...20:54
ceenealso irc20:55
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KotCzarnyno icq? ;)21:00
ceenewe're not that old21:00
KotCzarnypft :P21:00
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ceenei thin k i found a difference21:17
ceenedoesn't work :(21:18
KotCzarnybut at least no ban? ;)21:19
ceenenot for the moment21:19
ceenesince i can't login...21:19
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* ahycka eats ceene21:34
ahyckawhere is my dinner???21:34
ceeneon the fridge, woman21:34
ceenesudo make yourself a sandwich21:35
ahyckalets play "find the 10 diferences"!21:37
sixwheeledbeasthow do you get a number blocked, that's a good thing right?21:53
ceeneit depends on your definition of "good thing"21:56
ceenemost people would say that's bad21:56
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sixwheeledbeastwell i guess you have to agree with there privicy policy to get blocked in the first place. so maybe it's a lose lose situation anyway22:05
KotCzarnyquestion is, do we want to keep that part of n900's userbase or try to convert them (unlikely)?22:06
sixwheeledbeastas said before it's the people the other end that's the issue22:07
KotCzarnymy question still holds22:08
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ceenethe gf is helping me :)22:31
ceeneshe's more organized than I am22:31
ceenewell, only debugging, I am a better coder22:32
ceeneand I keep the house tidier22:32
ceeneshe's really helped me find the issue!22:34
ceeneat least now I know where to look22:34
ceeneshe's earned dinner22:34
ceeneso i'll be back later22:35
ahyckadinner!! dinner!! \o/ \o/22:37
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Siceloceene: so God was right that it's not good for a man to remain alone :p22:45
KotCzarnysicelo: there are also cats as an lesser evil alternative :P22:46
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DocScrutinizer05warfare: do you have a link at hand to that video where the IPHH guys moved a server while running?22:59
warfareDocScrutinizer05: ;)22:59
DocScrutinizer05\o/ ta!22:59
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Sicelonot understanding german, but those guys were nuts :p23:14
DocScrutinizer05those are the guys hosting our maemo server23:15
DocScrutinizer05great folks23:15
Siceloi know :)23:16
DocScrutinizer05I just wondered what been that PDA used to check if the server still online, at first glance looked like N900, but too many keys on kbd23:16
DocScrutinizer05warfare: next time you meet them for a beer, tell them my kudos please :-)23:17
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warfareDocScrutinizer05: Will do. IIRC it was a Danger HipTop.23:19
DocScrutinizer05never heard of23:19
DocScrutinizer05aaah yes, exactly23:20
DocScrutinizer05same pafge :-)23:20
DocScrutinizer05  sidekick sounds familiar23:21
DocScrutinizer05the UPS must have had enough power for another 3 days of continuous operation, no?23:25
Sicelothis is out of this world :)23:25
* Sicelo likes23:25
DocScrutinizer05    "UPS 100%? we originally planned to take the microwave oven with us too"23:26
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DocScrutinizer05and I thought they planned McDrive23:27
zamn900hello DocScrutinizer0523:27
zamn900you can read my mind by now23:27
DocScrutinizer05hi & cya l8r23:28
DocScrutinizer05dinner time23:28
zamn900where is infobot23:28
zamn900ceene, hello to you too23:28
ceenehi, zamn90023:31
ceenethings are looking good tonight23:31
zamn900how are you first of all23:31
ceenepretty good ;)23:33
ceenehow you doing?23:33
zamn900so I wonder how is yappari?23:33
ceeneit's going to work soon :)23:34
ceenepretty soon I'd say23:34
ceenemaybe in next compilation that i'm starting in 30 seconds23:34
zamn900Freaky exciting statements hero23:34
ceeneahycka is responsible for this today :)23:35
ahyckaand i earned my dinner for that! :)23:36
zamn900that's touching23:36
zamn900ahycka, how old are you?23:38
ahyckasame as ceene23:38
zamn900well I don't know that... but it's good the same23:39
ahyckaim 3023:39
ceenei'm 31 :(23:40
zamn900you did like anyway the hero assistant23:40
zamn900I am 2523:40
ceeneyou're almost younger than the n900 is now23:41
zamn900If you will, we can arrange the heroes band for the town into the night23:41
ceeneYappari party23:42
ceeneit even rhymes23:42
zamn900it's very exciting the night... I go driving and rushing... you screming out our batmobile... and you on roof and with a bat smashing all around the villans23:43
zamn900I feel excited23:44
zamn900party will be... everynight23:44
ceenewell, at least i've surpassed this login obstacle!23:44
ceeneGenerating keys...23:44
ceeneterminate called after throwing an instance of 'WhisperException'23:44
ceeneAborted (core dumped)23:44
ceenethis isn't cool23:44
zamn900all aborted with it23:45
zamn900don't want to distract you anymore23:45
zamn900click and type firmly better the next times23:46
zamn900an entire community is with you inside your actions right now23:47
ceeneit'll be tomorrow probably23:48
ceeneit's late now23:48
zamn900rught let's kick arses23:48
zamn900I go driving23:48
zamn900jump in23:48
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